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two x-factor teams fight each other in the old roman colisium.

team 1:
cyclops
beast
archangel
jean grey
iceman

team 2
havok
strong guy
polaris
multiple man
quicksilver

Team 2.

If Iceman or Jean can get off the blood manipulation before Polaris can, then team 1 wins.

Multiple Man takes them out with the adamantium claws he took off Wolverine's dead body.....

Originally posted by Piedmon
Multiple Man takes them out with the adamantium claws he took off Wolverine's dead body.....

Originally posted by Piedmon
Multiple Man takes them out with the adamantium claws he took off Wolverine's dead body.....

i think that team 1 would win. iceman and jean grey have really powerful and formitable powers. cyclops is more powerful than his brother and would do more damage to the other team better than his brother.

i dont remember polaris messin with peoples blood flow back in her x-factor days. but if you want to use the more current characters, then team 1 wins badly. iceman is so overpowered anymore, he got juggernaut to admit iceman was more powerful. cyclops wasted away a huge section of trees and a sentinal by taking off his glasses. archangels blood is much more powerful at healing than wolverines and is really durable.

dont mess with the original x-men.

Originally posted by JirK
i think that team 1 would win. iceman and jean grey have really powerful and formitable powers. cyclops is more powerful than his brother and would do more damage to the other team better than his brother.

i dont remember polaris messin with peoples blood flow back in her x-factor days. but if you want to use the more current characters, then team 1 wins badly. iceman is so overpowered anymore, he got juggernaut to admit iceman was more powerful. cyclops wasted away a huge section of trees and a sentinal by taking off his glasses. archangels blood is much more powerful at healing than wolverines and is really durable.

dont mess with the original x-men.
ROTFL, Cyclops taking off his visor etc.
That's his maximum.
Havok, blasted all the Eight Immortals which attacked the X-Men while they were searching for Xorn, knocked them out, damaged the X-Jet in the process and damaged the battlefield really bad, and it wasn't even his maximum.
Quicksilver can actually run in excess at supersonic speeds, far above Mach 5.Strong Guy is Class 70/80 and absorbing kinetic energy he'll become tougher and stronger.MM can take out both Jean and Cyke alone.He'll just overwhelm them with numbers, keeping them busy, same with Beast, he'll just keep them busy while Polaris blocks all of them and then stab them with metal spikes or just burn off the flesh from them.
Iceman will be out after one of Havok's blast.
And I'm talking of current IM and what he has showed to be able to do, not speculations or potentials.

The only real threat on team 2 is Polaris. She can be dealt with psionically. Jean and iceman take it for team 1

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The only real threat on team 2 is Polaris. She can be dealt with psionically. Jean and iceman take it for team 1
You mean normal Jean or her tapping into PF?
Cause with her normal powers she isn't such a threat man.
Polaris can just emit a massive EMP Pulse that will send short circuit their brain synapses.
And if Havok decides he wants to clear the battlefield, he's gonna show Cyke who's the stronger brother?

Originally posted by K3VIL
You mean normal Jean or her tapping into PF?
Cause with her normal powers she isn't such a threat man.
Polaris can just emit a massive EMP Pulse that will send short circuit their brain synapses.
And if Havok decides he wants to clear the battlefield, he's gonna show Cyke who's the stronger brother?

When not tapping into her phoenix potential Jean is still an omega level telepath/telekinetic and was stated to be the second most powerful telepath in the world after Xavier. Jean is very much a threat.

Polaris would get dealt with psionically and the others would get taken down eventually. Jean can protect herself telekinetically while telepathically dealing with her opponents and Iceman wont be fazed by any of the oppositions powers in the slightest. He'll just reform and even in a shattered or vapour like state can still use his powers.

All the phoenix talk seems to have made people forget just how powerful Jean was before she officially became phoenix again

Jean's force field are sufficiently strong to deal with Polari's force blasts or an Omni Beam which is made of all of EM Spectrum Wavelenghts?
Plus Jean isn't so impressive to me without phoenix force.
Exodus knocked her unconscious with a whim, he wasn't even fazed from her entering in her mind, he probably know she was gonna do that before her doing it.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Jean's force field are sufficiently strong to deal with Polari's force blasts or an Omni Beam which is made of all of EM Spectrum Wavelenghts?
Plus Jean isn't so impressive to me without phoenix force.
Exodus knocked her unconscious with a whim, he wasn't even fazed from her entering in her mind, he probably know she was gonna do that before her doing it.

Jean officially became Phoenix again towards the end of New Xmen. Jeans appeaarnces right before then have shown her to be a formidable opponent and she has time and time again been called the second most powerful telepath on the planet. The woman taught Cable the art of psychic warfare.

In a battle to the death as is the assumption with forum battles unless otherwise stated Jean will have telepathically dealt with Polaris long before Polaris has managed to batter down her shields.

The rest are no problem for team 1.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean officially became Phoenix again towards the end of New Xmen. Jeans appeaarnces right before then have shown her to be a formidable opponent and she has time and time again been called the second most powerful telepath on the planet. The woman taught Cable the art of psychic warfare.

In a battle to the death as is the assumption with forum battles unless otherwise stated Jean will have telepathically dealt with Polaris long before Polaris has managed to batter down her shields.

The rest are no problem for team 1.
Wrong.
Quicksilver moves in excess of Mach 10.
Quicksilver can react before Jean can knock down him or erect a FF.

Jean's breached both Magneto and Juggernaut's helmets with no assistance from the PF.

As far as MM is concerned, whatever happens to him before he replicates himself is reproduced in the other bodies, right? He's an easy one to take down. Or better yet, he would provide an almost inexhaustible source of cannon fodder once Jean got a hold of him. Quicksilver's a non factor if the fight is aerial.

Havok isn't the leader or tactician that Cyclops is. The original X-Factor also has a distinct advantage in that they've been together longer than any other X-team. Polaris really is the only threat, and while she's great, she's no Magneto.

Well, Marvel has constantly stated that Rachel inherited her mother's abilities. The new handbook states that she can travel at light speed, and that's non-Phoenix Rachel. I don't see why the person from whom she inherited those abilities wouldn't be able to do the same.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Jean's breached both Magneto and Juggernaut's helmets with no assistance from the PF.

As far as MM is concerned, whatever happens to him before he replicates himself is reproduced in the other bodies, right? He's an easy one to take down. Or better yet, he would provide an almost inexhaustible source of cannon fodder once Jean got a hold of him. Quicksilver's a non factor if the fight is aerial.

Havok isn't the leader or tactician that Cyclops is. The original X-Factor also has a distinct advantage in that they've been together longer than any other X-team. Polaris really is the only threat, and while she's great, she's no Magneto.
Quicksilver can perform mimic fly through spinning at superspeed, and smashing into Jean at Mach 7 will result in her death.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Quicksilver can perform mimic fly through spinning at superspeed, and smashing into Jean at Mach 7 will result in her death.

QS can run at mach 7 but he cant fly at mach 7.

Also QS is no Flash. He would not be able to reach Jean and take her out before she has a field up with a merer thought.

After that the only real challenge is Polaris and she could get taken down telepathically.

There is a weakness with Jean that seems to be ignored sometimes. If I remember this correctly, the first time she used her powers was to connect with a childhood friend who was dying and it messed her up pretty good. Now I imagine that she has grown a lot since then, but what would be the effect of having people she loves and cares about be in pain and/or dying near her?

With Team 2 having Polaris, Havoc, and Strong Guy they could at least take out some memebers of Team 1 once the fighting starts, so would Jean be as effective or not?

(I assume this is a fight to the death, unlike most fights in the comic books were the good guy rarely get injured or die)

Originally posted by TheKahn
There is a weakness with Jean that seems to be ignored sometimes. If I remember this correctly, the first time she used her powers was to connect with a childhood friend who was dying and it messed her up pretty good. Now I imagine that she has grown a lot since then, but what would be the effect of having people she loves and cares about be in pain and/or dying near her?

With Team 2 having Polaris, Havoc, and Strong Guy they could at least take out some memebers of Team 1 once the fighting starts, so would Jean be as effective or not?

(I assume this is a fight to the death, unlike most fights in the comic books were the good guy rarely get injured or die)

Being connected with your dying best friend at such a tender age would affect anyone badly. Its not a weakness specific to Jean im afraid. As a team the Xmen have seen many a good friend die. They deal with it it goes along with the work. They are all friends here so all of them would be affected by the deaths of any of the people present. Its a sign of a compassionate human. It is not a specific weakness belonging to any one individual.

I was only wondering if her being such a powerful telepath, would having one member of her team throw her off any? i.e. could she keep up her force field after seeing Cyclops get a metal spike through his chest?

I don't think that she personally has such a weakness more than anyother one, just if her powers would make her more vulnerable to distractions that deaths on her team would cause

Originally posted by TheKahn
I was only wondering if her being such a powerful telepath, would having one member of her team throw her off any? i.e. could she keep up her force field after seeing Cyclops get a metal spike through his chest?

I don't think that she personally has such a weakness more than anyother one, just if her powers would make her more vulnerable to distractions that deaths on her team would cause

Theres a reason why shes called the second most powerful telepath on earth. Also her telekinesis doesnt just have to protect herself. It could provide sufficient protection for all of those who cant protect themselves. Polaris is the only real threat. Once shes dealt with it wont be long before the others are dealt with. This is bloodlust after all. With the exception of Polaris none of the opposition can harm Iceman, giving him free rein in freezing all the moisture in their bodies.

Perhaps it would be helpful to make clear in which state each character is in.
The most reasonable assumption is, that they are all in the form they were during their time in this teams.
-Iceman is not made of ice yet and shattering would kill him.
-Jean has only TK.
-Quicksilver is at about mach1.
-Polaris is not trained by Magneto yet, thus not able to manipulate the bloodstream.
-Havoc and Scott are on the same powerlevel.

Now discuss again!

So basically you have about 4 fighters who could take almost everyone else out:

1. Jean : attact everyone telepathically or telekenitcally
2. Polaris: some type of EM attack or uni-beam attack
3. Havoc: Go all out and release all his energy
4. Cyke: Pull off visor

and all of these attacks take about the same time (roughly speed of thought, Cyke may take a little longer) to use so how do you figure out who would win?

Interesting. . . .

Cyke remove his visor and perform a Onslaught-like blast, Havok emits an omnidirectional blast, they clean the battlefield and goes fist to fist.

Originally posted by wannabe
Perhaps it would be helpful to make clear in which state each character is in.
The most reasonable assumption is, that they are all in the form they were during their time in this teams.
-Iceman is not made of ice yet and shattering would kill him.
-Jean has only TK.
-Quicksilver is at about mach1.
-Polaris is not trained by Magneto yet, thus not able to manipulate the bloodstream.
-Havoc and Scott are on the same powerlevel.

Now discuss again!

i think thats a little crappy, dont you think. that changes their powers. jean has both telepathy and telekenisis. polaris can maniplulate blood. and havok can only dream of being as powerful as his brother.

Well by the end of the original team's run as X-Factor, Jean did have both TP and TK. No one knows if shattering Bobby at that point would have killed him or not.

Cyclops and Havok can do whatever, but they aren't going to take the others out with Jean and Polaris there. Add to that no one on the second team has any resistance to TP except Polaris. Jean's gotten through Magneto's helmet before. I don't see why she can't manipulate the helmet itself anyway...

Beast is no joke, either. He has senses that rival Wolverine's, and he surpasses Wolvie in agility (and probably strength as well).

And these guys have been fighting together since they were adolescents. If you take the teams when they first joined X-Factor or their current power levels, I'd still take the originals.

dont forget Strong Guy...