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Wolverine
Storm
Jean
Cyclops
Rogue
Prof X
Ice man
Psylocke

Xavier predicted this fight would occur so he added a built in shotgun, jet-pack and rocket launcher customized into his wheelchair, to ensure a victory on his part..........

Let's see...

Wolverine - Dies of Adamantium poisoning without his healing factor, so he's out.

Storm - Is actually a good fighter because Claremont said so, so she might win...

Jean - Yeah, without her powers, she's about as formidable as
Mary Jane.

Cyclops - I'd wager the deadliest here without powers. He's had h2h and acrobatics training.

Rogue - Has never had to be anything but a brawler, and with her strength/fire power gone that will do her no good.

Prof X - Stands a better chance than Wolverine.

Ice man - Is too happy being restored to flesh and blood human to fight, runs out to get laid.

Psylocke - Shadow King has eaten her brain without the telepathy to keep him in check, so she's out.

As funny as that is, i meant to take out the claws and bones too, for Wolverine. I think Psylocke,Wolverine, and Cyclops.

it would come down to cyke, storm, wolvie, and psylock, and possibly rogue. then, when you think about the characters, it would come down to storm, wolvie, and psylock. then depending on the personalities of the characters, and their moods, it would be either storm and wolvie, or psylock.

Id give it to wolverine. Psylocke is the second best fighter, followed by Cyclops and Storm(unsure) then Rogue, Iceman, Jean and Prof X lol.

Wolverine still has to have the highest pain tolerance, due to the manner in which he fights. He'd gut it out, but Psylocke is a good fighter too. One of them two.

Depends on where they fight, for example if Xavier goes down the stairs in his wheelchair really fast then he might be able to run over a few of em...............

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
As funny as that is, i meant to take out the claws and bones too, for Wolverine. I think Psylocke,Wolverine, and Cyclops.
The way he's written, Wolverine would still win even with no bones.

I think Psylocke would win, in my opinion. Wolvie's gone too long with that healing factor and that adamantium skeleton of his to know what it's like to feel pain and to have it stay with him.

Psylocke will bring the pain and damage to him. She's the number 1 assassin in Japan and the most deadly here, even without powers.

Wolverine would be a very close second.

With Cyclops right on his heels.

It would all come to down to Wolverine,Psylocke and Cyclops.

Wolverine and Psylocke would battle until the death. Psylocke will win because she knows how to fight with no healing factor and Wolverine won't be able to cope with fatigue, pain, etc. Cyclops, the brilliant tactician he is, will wait for the tired Psylocke to emerge and beat the holy hell out of her.

I say Cyclops.....unless....

Prof X has predicted this like one of the above posters said. He will have some crazy weapon or something and kill everyone.

This is the more probable outcome....so...

Prof X wins

I agree with that assessement, actually..... Wolverine and Psylocke fight to the death. Cyclops runs out back and fires up the tractor.

VROOM, VROOM! AAAAARGH!

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think Psylocke would win, in my opinion. Wolvie's gone too long with that healing factor and that adamantium skeleton of his to know what it's like to feel pain and to have it stay with him.

Psylocke will bring the pain and damage to him. She's the number 1 assassin in Japan and the most deadly here, even without powers.

Wolverine would be a very close second.

With Cyclops right on his heels. The healing factor and skeleton don't keep him from feeling pain.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The healing factor and skeleton don't keep him from feeling pain.

No, but he doesn't have to feel it for nearly as long, nor does injury carry the same psychological impact.

Like, I mean, if I get a nasty gash ... it FREAKING HURTS. And five hours later ... it STILL hurts. Five hours later, Wolverine has forgotten he ever got a gash that lasted all of a second or two.

Then, too, if I sustain potentially shock-inducing, mortal wounds, I have to cope with the psychological impact of knowing that I may be dead on my feet with a body that just hasn't figured it out yet. To Wolverine, it's just a painful and temporary inconvenience ... more analogous to that nasty gash I got earlier.

Except he'll still heal the mortal wound up and be done with it faster than I'll heal that gash.

So compared to ... like ... anyone without a healing factor, Wolverine isn't really in any position to complain about pain on a case-by-case basis. Normal injuries don't even have time to really start bugging him before they're gone -- it's not like he has to wear a black eye the next day if he takes a solid shot to the face.

Hell, when you really come to think of it, adrenaline tends to shut down your ability to feel pain, with the effect that you only really feel the pain later, after you wind down from the adrenaline high. I wouldn't doubt that in many cases, Wolverine has already healed up his injuries before he ever had a chance to really feel them at ALL!

Now you take someone with all of those advantages, and you suddenly strip them away. Now you've got a guy who normally doesn't even give a black eye or even a deep gash a second THOUGHT ... and suddenly, for perhaps the first time ever, he has to experience what it means to actually wear an injury he's received -- to suffer actual consequences from being struck rather than just being briefly inconvenienced.

You think that wouldn't be a problem for him?

Originally posted by Orestes

You think that wouldn't be a problem for him?

Only if you can tell me this stopped hurting right away:

Originally posted by Creshosk
Only if you can tell me this stopped hurting right away:

There's no way that shotgun blasts should've kept his eyes intact.

Just wanted to point that out.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
There's no way that shotgun blasts should've kept his eyes intact.

Just wanted to point that out. Unless those were the first thing to start growing back. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless those were the first thing to start growing back. . .

That's a little fast, even for Wolvie. Don't you think?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's a little fast, even for Wolvie. Don't you think? No, not really. . . seeing as his organs reform after Hulk jellifies them. . .

And considering how fast his bullet wounds heal . . . And his sword wounds. . . and his flesh burned off to the bone wounds. . . And hell even his claws tearing through anything in the way as they're coming out wounds. . .

Originally posted by Piedmon


Jean - Yeah, without her powers, she's about as formidable as
Mary Jane.


Really?

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Jean kicks ASS!

imo

1)wolvie or psylock

2)wolvie or psylock

3)storm

4)cyke

wolverine will not die to the piosin with his will alone he was able to survive month with it when he did not have his healing factor

So we pretty much all agree then.

1. Psylocke
2. Wolverine
3. Cyclops
4. Storm

actauly wolverine over phylock but ya besides that yes I agree.

Then you clearly don't agree.

As I've stated before (I know this won't do a thing to convice you, but I try anyway for the good of the universe), Psylocke is the #1 assassin in Japan because of her martial arts skills. She's been fighting without a healing factor her whole life.

Wolverine, on the other hand, has relied very much on his healing factor and won't be used to pain and damage ACTUALLY STAYING WITH HIM throughout the fight. It will just get worse for him, too.

Especially now that his limbs can break. Psylocke will break every bone is Logan's body.

I dare you to argue that without his healing factor Logan would've survived this.

http://www.mutanthigh.com/games/martialarts/fight1.html

That's right. Without his healing factor, Logan would've been dead. Twice even. And Psylocke could've smacked Silver Samurai down.

She wins. Hands down.

ur tlaken about a veyr old fight wolverine sicne then has taken sameri down in seconds with out even taken a hit. also wolverine knows he cna take it so no piont in dodging it. also u beign number one assassin good and all but wolverine the deadliest mutant on the planet stated many times. also if I not mistake which i dought I am he helped train phylocke. also wolverine ahs many times not ahd a healing factor. he had it taken away a number of times. with out any powers he was able to take out villain still he just relized he had to dodge more. also wolverine well dieng form posion because he no longer had his healing factor in a weaken state for months manage to take down msot all of his villain and also other villains in battle. so no i give this to wolverine hands down. look at there states wolverine has more skill he level 7 I not even sure if phylock is a 6. so no wolverine will win

You think Wolverine is more deadly than Magneto? Or Professor X (not holding back of course)? Or Phoenix? Or Storm? Or Scarlet Witch?

Hell, man. I could go on and on over the list of mutants much more deadly than Wolverine.

I'm almost positive (which says a lot more than you thinking you haven't made a mistake) that Wolverine had nothing to do with Psylocke's training.

Psylocke has fought without a healing factor much longer than Wolverine has without one.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
wolverine will not die to the piosin with his will alone he was able to survive month with it when he did not have his healing factor

I thought that when the High Evolutionary took away Earth mutant's power, it was only for days?



I wouldn't consider her the TOP martial artist, especially in Japan considering she's been stalemated by a former Shield agent that was at the time during the fight with the Harriers and even taken down by her brother at HTH.



When his healing was overtaxed and stopped working momentarily, he had plenty of experience of his newly found mortality. And he's known pain all his life (healing doesn't null this). With adamantium, his bones won't be breaking. He ain't a shabby fighter either so she's not going to take him easy .



Silver Samurai is an accomplished fighter in his own right. With his armor, he was still almost as fast as the ronin Yukio, who's incredibly agile and a skilled warrior in her own right. Without armor, he was able to compete no problem with Spiderwoman (first one).

Originally posted by radioboy121
I thought that when the High Evolutionary took away Earth mutant's power, it was only for days?



I wouldn't consider her the TOP martial artist, especially in Japan considering she's been stalemated by a former Shield agent that was at the time during the fight with the Harriers and even taken down by her brother at HTH.



When his healing was overtaxed and stopped working momentarily, he had plenty of experience of his newly found mortality. And he's known pain all his life (healing doesn't null this). With adamantium, his bones won't be breaking. He ain't a shabby fighter either so she's not going to take him easy .



Silver Samurai is an accomplished fighter in his own right. With his armor, he was still almost as fast as the ronin Yukio, who's incredibly agile and a skilled warrior in her own right. Without armor, he was able to compete no problem with Spiderwoman (first one).

With the Silver Samurai thing though, you understand where I'm coming from, right? Without relying on his mutant abilities and adamantium skeleton, Wolverine would've been dead in that fight. Simple as that.

This hypothetical no powers fight also means he has no adamantium skeleton either, by the way.

And didn't her brother have his super suit when fighting her?

so woolverine new he could take it. when his healign factor wa snot workign he neevr allowed him self to be hit. and yes i pritty sure logan did have soem thign to do with her training. when phylock first jioned the x-men she was not a ninja if u recall she was on the new x-men team. also wolverine for a logn tiem did not know he could heal ebcaus ehis memories were messed with. also as I said www.marvel.com wolverine level 7 phylock is not. are u tryign to say phylock a better fighter then captain?. because wolverine on par with captain in fighting skill or he better. also he taken out people using just pure skill some examples are iron fist and master of kung fu

Originally posted by Metalmanx
With the Silver Samurai thing though, you understand where I'm coming from, right? Without relying on his mutant abilities and adamantium skeleton, Wolverine would've been dead in that fight. Simple as that.

This hypothetical no powers fight also means he has no adamantium skeleton either, by the way.

Nach. I got what you're saying, but without healing and adamantium, he might prove more calculating and more pressed in using his trained skills than he usually is (he's can be a good strategist at times). But if he just lost his powers, he definitely will have problems.



For a period of time with Excalibur, his powers were in fluctuation - sometimes they worked and sometimes not. I believe the fight (somewhat playful) was after he found out she was alive again (believing she died with the other X-Men during the encounter with Adversary) and they had a little match. I can't remember if his abilities were fully working then, but he was able to take her relatively easily (she was trying to even mind read him).

Originally posted by radioboy121
Nach. I got what you're saying, but without healing and adamantium, he might prove more calculating and more pressed in using his trained skills than he usually is (he's can be a good strategist at times). But if he just lost his powers, he definitely will have problems.



For a period of time with Excalibur, his powers were in fluctuation - sometimes they worked and sometimes not. I believe the fight (somewhat playful) was after he found out she was alive again (believing she died with the other X-Men during the encounter with Adversary) and they had a little match. I can't remember if his abilities were fully working then, but he was able to take her relatively easily (she was trying to even mind read him).

His powers must've been working then. Captain Britain's hand to hand skills are nearly close to being on par with Psylocke's. Especially if she was trying to read his mind. That means he must've had some superhuman advantages working for him there.

actauly phylock always been a better fighter then captian brittian it wierd i know but even since they were little kids she was.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
His powers must've been working then. Captain Britain's hand to hand skills are nearly close to being on par with Psylocke's. Especially if she was trying to read his mind. That means he must've had some superhuman advantages working for him there.

Not necessarily. His powers doesn't counter telepathy. And second, he somehow confused her by thinking in his head a jibberish word to distract her, where he then (in her confusion) took her down. Huntress also did something like this to Archer Braun in Birds of Prey Manhunt, but I still think it's stupid.

Originally posted by radioboy121
Not necessarily. His powers doesn't counter telepathy. And second, he somehow confused her by thinking in his head a jibberish word to distract her, where he then (in her confusion) took her down. Huntress also did something like this to Archer Braun in Birds of Prey Manhunt, but I still think it's stupid.

That's basically what I'm saying. Even if she did know what he was going to do, he had to have superhuman advantages (speed, reflexes, power) in order to defeta her then.

And yea, I think that's pretty stupid, too. Distracting a telepath with a freakin word.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So we pretty much all agree then.

1. Psylocke
2. Wolverine
3. Cyclops
4. Storm

i don't agree with that, I believe cyke should be under storm. the only basis you have is the comic where he fights thugs with his eyes closed. you have basically said this, and it's the only impressive thing you have him doing h2h.

who beat callisto h2h?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/storm21.bmp

who beat marrow h2h while having her mind attacked psionically?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/storm43.bmp

who took on a ton of people h2h in the arena?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/393.bmp

who took on kang(master at martial arts) while bleeding to death?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/storm51.jpg
she also took on like 20 of kangs most skilled female fighters after being stabbed in the ribs, and a little paralyzed.

storm has also beaten 2 super-powered criminals from world war 2 h2h and won. and has also given super sabre trouble when she fought him powerless, and he has super-speed. storm killed a man twice her size when she was 12. she has also taken sabertooth by suprise, and knocked him on his ass while powerless, and not to mention she beat cyke while powerless. she has also killed poachers after being shot. storm has also killed a python while drowning, and a fully grown lion and a bear(not sure bout this one)while powerless. I could keep going, but these are off the top of my head. storm is also mor expierenced than cyke in fighting. now tell me, what has cyke done?

thats not storm the bottum picture if im not mistaken is not storm it her body it like a clone of her and it evil last time I checked. and unlike storm she super strong and has many other power at super human level and is far better fighter then storm. but yes be sides that pic storm is more impressive

no, that one is storm. yeah, I'm aware that kangs bodygrad took on a body that was identical to storms, but that one is her, I'm almost positive.

oh ok. ya storm pritty bad ass fighter plus she had training from wolverine along with some other amazing fighters

yeah, she's had training from wolvie, yukio, and forge, plus others i can't think of

yup

Originally posted by stormfront13
i don't agree with that, I believe cyke should be under storm. the only basis you have is the comic where he fights thugs with his eyes closed. you have basically said this, and it's the only impressive thing you have him doing h2h.

who beat callisto h2h?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/storm21.bmp

who beat marrow h2h while having her mind attacked psionically?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/storm43.bmp

who took on a ton of people h2h in the arena?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/393.bmp

who took on kang(master at martial arts) while bleeding to death?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/stormfront13/storm51.jpg
she also took on like 20 of kangs most skilled female fighters after being stabbed in the ribs, and a little paralyzed.

storm has also beaten 2 super-powered criminals from world war 2 h2h and won. and has also given super sabre trouble when she fought him powerless, and he has super-speed. storm killed a man twice her size when she was 12. she has also taken sabertooth by suprise, and knocked him on his ass while powerless, and not to mention she beat cyke while powerless. she has also killed poachers after being shot. storm has also killed a python while drowning, and a fully grown lion and a bear(not sure bout this one)while powerless. I could keep going, but these are off the top of my head. storm is also mor expierenced than cyke in fighting. now tell me, what has cyke done?

Yes, I know that Storm has done all of this. I never denied that.

My basis for my answer is that I believe Cyclops could've done the same. Not just because I want him to, but because he is a better fighter. And no, I'm not just basing it off those scans of him fighting those thugs. That was just to get a point across. Cyke has been training far more extensively in hand to hand than Storm has.

I believe Cyke could've taken out Callisto, Marrow, the opponents in the Arena, and Kang as well.

The only reason that's hardly ever shown, is well, cuz he doesn't have to.

But you know what? We can just agree to disagree.

you think he is a better fighter of assumption, you yourself said thathe hardly shows his fighting skills, yet storm does all the time. you also sad that cyke doesn't have to show his fighting skills, yet neither does storm, and she does. you said you think he is a better fighter because

"Cyke has been training far more extensively in hand to hand than Storm has."

which is pure assumption. storm has been taught to fight since she was 6, i mean 6 is very yoiung, and now she's in her easlr thirties late 20's. that's a lot of training. cyke hadn't even started training when she had killed that man that tried to rape her. cyke doesn't sho his fighting skills, where storm does. your argurment is based on assumption, where i have proof as to why storm is the better fighter,

1. wolverine
2. psylocke
3. storm
4.cyclops
5.rogue
5.iceman
6.prof

yup i fully agree

Originally posted by LGodamus
1. wolverine
2. psylocke
3. storm
4.cyclops
5.rogue
5.iceman
6.prof

i agree, though I'm still undecided between wolvie and psylock

Originally posted by wolverine8888
so woolverine new he could take it. when his healign factor wa snot workign he neevr allowed him self to be hit. and yes i pritty sure logan did have soem thign to do with her training. when phylock first jioned the x-men she was not a ninja if u recall she was on the new x-men team. also wolverine for a logn tiem did not know he could heal ebcaus ehis memories were messed with. also as I said www.marvel.com wolverine level 7 phylock is not. are u tryign to say phylock a better fighter then captain?. because wolverine on par with captain in fighting skill or he better. also he taken out people using just pure skill some examples are iron fist and master of kung fu here's a gift
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764553224.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

black robb u have yet to prove me wrogn on a theard u make fun of my spelling yet i am always proving u wrong and all u can say is ur spelling sucks. so utterly foolish

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Really?

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Jean kicks ASS!

^finally some X love from DC!!

Well, Cyclops is one of my top ten favorite characters...

Without any enhanced physical traits Psylocke and Cyclops are excellent fighters exclusive of their powers. Wolverine normally has (very slightly) enhanced physical traits, claws, an unbreakable skeleton, enhanced senses and a healing factor all contributing to his regular ability to fight. He doesn't have any of those here.

still does not change the fact that he had his power taken away befor and he was just as deadly. his fighting skill is far over cyclopes and it is also over phylocke

Originally posted by LGodamus
1. wolverine
2. psylocke
3. storm
4.cyclops
5.rogue
5.iceman
6.prof Gambit should be behind Cyke at least i mean come one...Iceman?

Originally posted by wolverine8888
still does not change the fact that he had his power taken away befor and he was just as deadly. his fighting skill is far over cyclopes and it is also over phylock psylocke

black rob that was the list we were given gambit was not on the list if he was I would agree with u

Originally posted by wolverine8888
black robb u have yet to prove me wrogn on a theard u make fun of my spelling yet i am always proving u wrong and all u can say is ur spelling sucks. so utterly foolish sure you proved my wrong(not) your spelling has improved so i've helped you. You should be thanking me.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
black rob that was the list we were given gambit was not on the list if he was I would agree with u oh

oh and yes I have example master of kung fu beating wolverine lol thats what u said. which was false wolverine beat the shit out of him

Originally posted by wolverine8888
oh and yes I have example master of kung fu beating wolverine lol thats what u said. which was false wolverine beat the shit out of him so....he still got his ass kicked by Conan

u right about one thing wow and it was a what if. there also a what if about wolverine killing hulk,juggernaut,magneto,an apoc

Originally posted by black robb
so....he still got his ass kicked by Conan A non-616 Wolverine that lived back in Conan's time and never had a chance to learn all the things that the 616 wolverine learned?

I mean there was no CIA weapon X program (how he still had metal claws I'm guessing was a magic thing) no japan so no Samurai /martial arts . . .

Yeah, good example. . .

lol

damn my bad oh well i'll give you that one kid

yup oh and u also tryed to say iron fist beat wolverine ass but when they fought wolverine was actauly the one who one the fight so again u wrong lol.

Originally posted by Creshosk
A non-616 Wolverine that lived back in Conan's time and never had a chance to learn all the things that the 616 wolverine learned?

I mean there was no CIA weapon X program (how he still had metal claws I'm guessing was a magic thing) no japan so no Samurai /martial arts . . .

Yeah, good example. . .

If you are referring to the "What if" storyline , this Wolverine came out of a battle during the Dark Phoenix saga where while on Shi'ar territory, he accidentally falls into a dome that a Watcher is playing homage to. Instead of being shot out like normal continuum, he is transported to the past and to Conan's time.

He meets Red Sonja and accidentally confuses her temporarily with Jean. After a brief fight (which she loses horribly), they befriend only to have Conan appear later when they were having a meal. Wolverine fights him and Conan believes him to be demon when he loses his standard weapon. In order to protect himself, he acquires another weapon bestowed from the fake "priest?" and eventually blugeon Wolverine on the back of the neck and breaking it (his weapon) to put him out of commission. Wolverine later comes back partly brain damaged to look for Red Sonja (captured by Conan) and in another brief fight goes in his beserker to disable Conan (slit his wrist) before rescuing the damsel.

As this Wolverine WAS from our timeline originally, he definitely had the experience (ninja training, CIA, etc.), but just didn't fully utilize it. But somewhat in his defense, Conan is no standard warrior either, especially for one who fights demons and the like all the time.

Originally posted by radioboy121
eventually blugeon Wolverine on the back of the neck and breaking it (his weapon) to put him out of commission. Wolverine later comes back partly brain damaged Yeah, that part was an ultra-load of BS.

How and where did this wolverine get hit in the back of the neck to be taken down like that?

Not only that, but that shot didn't work on 616 Wolverine.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, that part was an ultra-load of BS.

How and where did this wolverine get hit in the back of the neck to be taken down like that?

Not only that, but that shot didn't work on 616 Wolverine.

Maybe, but the object in question was much larger than Silver Samurai's sword and Conan is also much stronger too. Neck/head slapping against Wolverine has often been used as a means to pretty much knock him out. (i.e. Colossus doing this in Murderworld or in another What if, Hulk doing this permanently to kill him).

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Without any enhanced physical traits Psylocke and Cyclops are excellent fighters exclusive of their powers. Wolverine normally has (very slightly) enhanced physical traits, claws, an unbreakable skeleton, enhanced senses and a healing factor all contributing to his regular ability to fight. He doesn't have any of those here.

yeah, i think evthere, but storm si aslo an excellent fighter w/out her powers.

Originally posted by radioboy121
Maybe, but the object in question was much larger than Silver Samurai's sword and Conan is also much stronger too. Neck/head slapping against Wolverine has often been used as a means to pretty much knock him out. (i.e. Colossus doing this in Murderworld or in another What if, Hulk doing this permanently to kill him). Collosus didn't knock Wolverine out in Murderworld.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Collosus didn't knock Wolverine out in Murderworld.

I believe he did. You only posted the pic of the beginning encounter with the brainwashed Colossus. Much later in the comic, he swats Banshee, then Wolverine before choking Storm and Cyclops. They only manage to escape this when Storm convinces Colossus that he's like a brother to her.

Originally posted by radioboy121
I believe he did. You only posted the pic of the beginning encounter with the brainwashed Colossus. Much later in the comic, he swats Banshee, then Wolverine before choking Storm and Cyclops. They only manage to escape this when Storm convinces Colossus that he's like a brother to her. Then why don't you post the picture where Colossus knocked him out?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then why don't you post the picture where Colossus knocked him out?

I'll scan that scene when I get home and look for it in my collection. I do everything here by memory.

ok what if dont count. also I wanna just state that wolverine claws can go throu colossus it been shown plenty times that colossus is a fraid of wolevrines claws I knwo it ahs nuthing to do with the thread but it been bugging me. any ways I think storm is better fighter in hand to hand then cyclopes and has shown a good many times that she is.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
ok what if dont count. also I wanna just state that wolverine claws can go throu colossus it been shown plenty times that colossus is a fraid of wolevrines claws I knwo it ahs nuthing to do with the thread but it been bugging me. any ways I think storm is better fighter in hand to hand then cyclopes and has shown a good many times that she is. No they don't, When wolverine tried to cut colossus all he got was sparks.

why does colossus always run from wolverines claws then? I normal don't say abd wright but wolverine nclaws would not make sparks at all that would mean his claw thou u cant see it would be getting damage which it can't. also i not making it up colossus has on many occassion told wolverien to watch it with those claws around him. also wolverine was ocne thrown into colossus by stryfe and wolverine claws cut right throu colossus. colossus durablity is only a level 6 u know.

Originally posted by radioboy121
If you are referring to the "What if" storyline , this Wolverine came out of a battle during the Dark Phoenix saga where while on Shi'ar territory, he accidentally falls into a dome that a Watcher is playing homage to. Instead of being shot out like normal continuum, he is transported to the past and to Conan's time.

He meets Red Sonja and accidentally confuses her temporarily with Jean. After a brief fight (which she loses horribly), they befriend only to have Conan appear later when they were having a meal. Wolverine fights him and Conan believes him to be demon when he loses his standard weapon. In order to protect himself, he acquires another weapon bestowed from the fake "priest?" and eventually blugeon Wolverine on the back of the neck and breaking it (his weapon) to put him out of commission. Wolverine later comes back partly brain damaged to look for Red Sonja (captured by Conan) and in another brief fight goes in his beserker to disable Conan (slit his wrist) before rescuing the damsel.

As this Wolverine WAS from our timeline originally, he definitely had the experience (ninja training, CIA, etc.), but just didn't fully utilize it. But somewhat in his defense, Conan is no standard warrior either, especially for one who fights demons and the like all the time. thank you

Originally posted by Creshosk
A non-616 Wolverine that lived back in Conan's time and never had a chance to learn all the things that the 616 wolverine learned?

I mean there was no CIA weapon X program (how he still had metal claws I'm guessing was a magic thing) no japan so no Samurai /martial arts . . .

Yeah, good example. . . radio just found out for me that that was 616 Wolvie so i take that sh*t back i was right

it a what if comic liek i have explained it proves nuthing there a what if comic of wolverine killing every major villian in the world

Originally posted by wolverine8888
it a what if comic liek i have explained it proves nuthing there a what if comic of wolverine killing every major villian in the world It's still 616 Wolverine up until the time travel point. Does he lose his fighting prowess when he goes back in time? No so it is pretty much Wolverine.Just because you think its inconsistent doesnt mean anything. With that logic any story could be a what if just considering his wavering power and fighting skills.

...Sigh.

Wolverine can't cut Colossus. Can't do it in 616, can't do it in Ultimate...he just can't do it.

I'm sure Colossus just doesn't like Wolverine scraping up his shiny, metallic body. That's why he's always telling Wolverine to watch out.

Wolverien can't cut him. It's as simple as that. Show me one scan, just one, that shows that he can, and I'll concede.

what if are made up stories. also fine if u say that then u have to agree that wolverine and it was a what if but it still 616 wolverine was able to in one on ones killed juggernaut,apoc,magneto,all of apoc riders at once and I think im missing a few others.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
what if are made up stories. also fine if u say that then u have to agree that wolverine and it was a what if but it still 616 wolverine was able to in one on ones killed juggernaut,apoc,magneto,all of apoc riders at once and I think im missing a few others. HE KILLED JUGGERNAUT!?!?!?!? AND APOC!??!?!?!??! Really? (I'm really asking cuz even you wouldnt make up something that stupid) And news flash...ALL COMICS ARE MADE UP STORIES!!!

yes but the piont are what ifs are supose to be out rages there not supose to be part of normal unverse. and yes im not making it up he did it.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
yes but the piont are what ifs are supose to be out rages there not supose to be part of normal unverse. and yes im not making it up he did it. It wasnt that outrageous,it was basically Wolverine as he was portrayed at that point in time. And I really gotta hear this stuff from someone else because you are not the most reliable source.

I have never once lied all my info has come from comics but u my friend cna not say the same..........any ways it was out ragous I read the comic it was nuthing like wolverine at all. but if u saying that not outrages then i guess wolverine killing apoc,magneto,juggernaut on his own isent that out ragous either.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then why don't you post the picture where Colossus knocked him out?

Attached. Uncanny X-Men 124. Not the best example I could think of, but I haven't sorted my comics in ages. Juggernaut when first shown with Black Tom to the "New" X-Men casually knocked Wolverine too I believe. And of course a little recently, Captain America bashed him in the head with his shield during Enemy of the State (if that counts as he was also pretty worn). There are plenty of exceptions to this of course (Hulk).



He gutted a Magneto that wasn't attacking back and I don't remember him ever taking Juggernaut. The closest Wolverine had to killing Apocalypse was his robot creation that was playing god in the Savage Land and he took GENESIS' Riders and not Apocalypse's.

radio I talken about a what if lol i was trying to prove to black rob that using what if's comics is not accuret at all. all that I said was from a what if comic. he was trying to use connan beating wolverine in a what if comic o prove his piont and I came back with well if ur using that then i guess u will agree that this what if comic is allowed as well.

RADIO NEXT TIME READ THE POSTS ABOVE BESIDES JUST THE LAST POST WRIGHTEN LOL

Originally posted by radioboy121
Attached. Uncanny X-Men 124. Not the best example I could think of, but I haven't sorted my comics in ages. Juggernaut when first shown with Black Tom to the "New" X-Men casually knocked Wolverine too I believe. And of course a little recently, Captain America bashed him in the head with his shield during Enemy of the State (if that counts as he was also pretty worn). There are plenty of exceptions to this of course (Hulk). The picture you showed doesn't really indicate being knocked out.

When you knock someone away it's not a KO.

thats all from a what if comic any ways lol

Originally posted by wolverine8888
thats all from a what if comic any ways lol No it's not. It's from Uncanny X-Men #124. That is quite cannon

But it's not the first time Colossus has failed to knock wolverine out.

oh my bad

Originally posted by wolverine8888
radio I talken about a what if lol i was trying to prove to black rob that using what if's comics is not accuret at all. all that I said was from a what if comic. he was trying to use connan beating wolverine in a what if comic o prove his piont and I came back with well if ur using that then i guess u will agree that this what if comic is allowed as well.

Err... I was responding to your elaboration of 616 Wolverine's feats. I have attached the 1st bout with Conan and Wolverine in question below. I guess I was wrong about Conan grabbing another weapon, but I guess it was no ordinary sword either. And I don't think Conan is suppose to be a patsy whether you believe the fight is acceptable or not. In the 1st series, they had him pitted against Thor.



He knocked Banshee away. He knocked Wolverine down and see you him only later momentarily coming up when Arcade sends the X-Men off from Murderworld with his transporter. Besides that picture will not show much of Wolverine thereafter as he wasn't the center of attention.

The 2nd fight between the two in the What if comic. The beserker does wonders. Mr. X learned that lesson.

that is a what if comic. and what I was saying about 616 wolverine i said it was a what if comic based of 616 wolverine.

you can not use what if comics has prove to any statments

I'm aware it's a what if. I just felt like posting the particular fight. But the particular Juggernaut/Apocalypse/Magneto, etc. issues that I answered earlier was based on "canon" content.

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He gutted a Magneto that wasn't attacking back and I don't remember him ever taking Juggernaut. The closest Wolverine had to killing Apocalypse was his robot creation that was playing god in the Savage Land and he took GENESIS' Riders and not Apocalypse's.

Please answer.

Originally posted by radioboy121
The 2nd fight between the two in the What if comic. The beserker does wonders. Mr. X learned that lesson. Unfortunatly those ARE non-cannon. . .

I'd still love to hear how that feat overrides the 616 wolvies neck chopped:

radio I said it 10 tiems already when he took out magneto,juggernaught and apoc it was in a what if comic why cant u understand that.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
radio I said it 10 tiems already when he took out magneto,juggernaught and apoc it was in a what if comic why cant u understand that. Warverine.

yes thats what I was talken about lol

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unfortunatly those ARE non-cannon. . .

I'd still love to hear how that feat overrides the 616 wolvies neck chopped:

No, it's not suppose to. But there was confusion a little bit earlier where this Conan / Wolverine came earlier, so I felt like posting the fight in question. As to overriding that Silver Samurai encounter... Maybe Captain America doing something like that to Wolverine with his shield and knocking him out. I'm still debating on Jinzin's elaboration of Wolverine getting more tolerable to attacks after continuous healing from his many encounters.

Oh, and to participate with the thread title.

Wolverine / Psylocke
Storm
Cyclops
Rogue
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Professor X.

Originally posted by radioboy121
Maybe Captain America doing something like that to Wolverine with his shield and knocking him out.

He came up behind him and knocked out a badly messed up wolverine after he had taken a severe beating from half the xmen team. It wasnt a fight in the slightest and that incident shouldn't be used as evidence.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Really?

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/1458/jean12mf.th.gif
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2756/jean22ce.th.gif

Jean kicks ASS!

Well there you go...the answer to all the phoenix vs. threads. Mind armor.