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This debate is SHC rulings, meaning:
You cannot base a debate on what is possible, because it hasn't been done yet. Instead, you have to take into account fighting skills, ways they fight, if they would kill, etc to come up with who wins.

So, in that case: Vixen vs Spider-Man. Streets of New York. Who goes down first?

Toppy

spiderman dies

I REALLY don't care how you spin this fight, Spider-man still ends up dying.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
This debate is SHC rulings

So take it to SHC.

Originally posted by Validus
So take it to SHC.

I don't see moderator under your name, kiddo.

I just wanna see the debate without any "he could utilize Krypto" or some garbage like that.

what's SHC?

Superherochat. A forum with different debate rulings. It works more on what has happened in the past than what's possible. Here's a small example:

Lets say someone says that Ben Grimm would tear someone in two. Now, using a CBR system like this site does, you can say some of the dumber stuff and either get away with it, or get PIS called on you. With the SHC system, you have to take into account Ben Grimm's past, and the fact he'd never kill anyone.

Another thing about it is that you can't just go blathering "PIS! PIS!" every time someone has a feat you don't like, or won't accept. Everything is taken into account, both high showings and low.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Superherochat. A forum with different debate rulings. It works more on what has happened in the past than what's possible. Here's a small example:

Lets say someone says that Ben Grimm would tear someone in two. Now, using a CBR system like this site does, you can say some of the dumber stuff and either get away with it, or get PIS called on you. With the SHC system, you have to take into account Ben Grimm's past, and the fact he'd never kill anyone.

Another thing about it is that you can't just go blathering "PIS! PIS!" every time someone has a feat you don't like, or won't accept. Everything is taken into account, both high showings and low.

hmmm interesting, I like this idea as it seems it would more accurately represent how characters are portrayed in comics as opposed to some of them being Gods on KMC.

Exactamente. That way you don't get the whole KMC Flash, Thor, (insert kryptonian here), and so forth.

Instead of bitching about KMC, just take this topic to SHC.

Nobody's forcing you to stay if you don't like it.

Meh ... Spidey could take this

Of course ... Vixen could also take this

Originally posted by batdude123
Instead of bitching about KMC, just take this topic to SHC.

Nobody's forcing you to stay if you don't like it.

Wait just a minute. I never bitched about anything. I'm just wanting to see how this would run when you take what's happened instead of what people say would happen.

What's wrong with wanting a factual debate?

Also, I read through the CBR rules before, and know them like the back of my hand. There's nothing against asking for a different school of rulings.

With that said.

Basing it on Spider-Man's record against mid-tiers and dodging, Spider-Man only takes 6/10, taking into account the fact that he's been dropped like a bad habit by street levelers.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
With that said.

Basing it on Spider-Man's record against mid-tiers and dodging, Spider-Man only takes 6/10, taking into account the fact that he's been dropped like a bad habit by street levelers.

Yeah.. weird that ... he tags people like Speed Demon and Quicksilver, goes toe to toe with guys like Lizard and Venom, avoids Iron Man and Electro all day long ... but somehow he still managees to occasionaly get hit by the Punisher and Kingpin.

Damn writers.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yeah.. weird that ... he tags people like Speed Demon and Quicksilver, goes toe to toe with guys like Lizard and Venom, avoids Iron Man and Electro all day long ... but somehow he still managees to occasionaly get hit by the Punisher and Kingpin.

Damn writers.



That's just part of his character. He usually just does something that leaves himself open, like when he fought Taskmaster and got a ricocheted Baton to the back of his head when he put Tasky in a full nelson.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That's just part of his character. He usually just does something that leaves himself open, like when he fought Taskmaster and got a ricocheted Baton to the back of his head when he put Tasky in a full nelson.

Pity he doesn't have a danger sense or something to warn about that kind of thing.



Has Vixen ever displayed anything like a spider-sense?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Pity he doesn't have a danger sense or something to warn about that kind of thing.



Has Vixen ever displayed anything like a spider-sense?

why would that be relevant?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Pity he doesn't have a danger sense or something to warn about that kind of thing.



Has Vixen ever displayed anything like a spider-sense?

Not to my knowledge.

One thing that commonly happens with Spider-Man is he pulls a Caboose from Red vs Blue.

"Caboose, you hear something behind you!"

"Really? I wonder what's causing it?"

Instead of dodging, he just kinda watches it hit him.

Doesn't Vixen need to say the name of a animal to take on it's characteristicts?

Vixeen uses Grodd's tp power and mind rapes spiderman

oh and she has done it before
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vixenvsgrood4up1.jpg

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Vixeen uses Grodd's tp power and mind rapes spiderman

oh and she has done it before
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vixenvsgrood4up1.jpg

She said Grodd's mental powers effected her, not that she utilized them.

Nice way to twist the scan.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Vixeen uses Grodd's tp power and mind rapes spiderman

oh and she has done it before
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vixenvsgrood4up1.jpg

I was going to bring that up.

No krypto nonsense? Only things they've done in the past?

Well...

Gorilla Grodd. Vixen wins.

She can't take Krypto's powers anyway though, he's not part of the Red is he?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Doesn't Vixen need to say the name of a animal to take on it's characteristicts?

I think she does ... webbing to the mouth FTW!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She can't take Krypto's powers anyway though, he's not part of the Red is he?

Pretty sure ANY animal that spends time on Earth BECOMES part of the red.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I think she does ... webbing to the mouth FTW!


no
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vixenandgeo2hk5.jpg

Originally posted by Soljer
Pretty sure ANY animal that spends time on Earth BECOMES part of the red.

If that was true she'd just permanently take Martian Manhunter's abilities ... or Superman's.

Maybe their has to be a certain volume of a type of animal living in the ecosystem for "the red" to register the species.

shrug

Originally posted by Devil Lance
no
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vixenandgeo2hk5.jpg

Her mouth wasn't covered there though ... she could have said it at any time.

I recall in a different Vixen thread, someone said the morphogenetic field, the Red, basically includes any species that evolved from the planet i.e. Krypto would be part of Kryton's "Red."

Originally posted by Scoobless
Her mouth wasn't covered there though ... she could have said it at any time.

she didn't though

but if you want to be picky
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vixenvsgrood4up1.jpg
notice she says eagle after she is in the air

Well judging from JLA 2 she clearly needs to say the animals name to take on their abilites.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Well judging from JLA 2 she clearly needs to say the animals name to take on their abilites.

so one comic > all other appearances

Originally posted by Devil Lance
so one comic > all other appearances

No but enough to question two.

Originally posted by Scoobless
If that was true she'd just permanently take Martian Manhunter's abilities ... or Superman's.

Maybe their has to be a certain volume of a type of animal living in the ecosystem for "the red" to register the species.

shrug

Interesting post. Could Vixen mimic the abilities of Superman or Manhunter? IMHO, I really don't see a reason why she couldn't. Mimiking the abilities of man or in this case alien men shouldn't be that far from her reach.

IMHO, the only power she shouldn't be able to mimic should be abilities gained through outside influnce (i.e. Spider-Man, Firestorm, Flash and memebers of the FF).

Anyway that's a question for another time

Vixen combines the strength of a elephant (about 12 tons), the shock of an electric eel, the speed of a cheetah, the regenerative abilities of a earthworm, shape shifting and the totem's ability to creat force field.

This should be an intresting fight. Spider-Man is almost fighting a female version of Venom and Electro combined

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No but enough to question two.

The reason she says the name of the animal she is about to mimic is for the reader, not to call upon the abilities

Take a look at her fights

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7158/vixensgroodbh4.th.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5914/vixenvsgrood2bl1.th.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9797/vixenvsgrood3or7.th.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8849/vixenvsgrood4up1.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6011/vixenandgeo2hk5.th.jpg

let's not forget that she can create force-fields, and create powerful blasts of energy

let's not forget that she can create force-fields, and create powerful blasts of energy

Originally posted by stormfront13
let's not forget that she can create force-fields, and create powerful blasts of energy Originally posted by stormfront13
let's not forget that she can create force-fields, and create powerful blasts of energy I'm sure we won't considering you felt the need to tell us twice. doped

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm sure we won't considering you felt the need to tell us twice. doped

oh, whoops

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Vixen combines the strength of a elephant (about 12 tons), the shock of an electric eel, the speed of a cheetah, the regenerative abilities of a earthworm, shape shifting and the totem's ability to creat force field.

So she takes the abilities as is? ... or are they proportional?

Cos an elephant can only proportionally lift around a fifth of it's own weight (generally, the bigger the animal, the lower the proportional strength)

Originally posted by Scoobless
So she takes the abilities as is? ... or are they proportional?

Cos an elephant can only proportionally lift around a fifth of it's own weight (generally, the bigger the animal, the lower the proportional strength)

they're proportional