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Not a straight fight (as, I think, Mimic would stomp on Colossus)

Exiles Mimic's power = Wolverine, Deadpool, Northstar, Cyclops & Colossus (all at 50% power)

I'm wondering about the durability Vs claws factor.

A lot of people question whether Wolverine can cut Colossus ... most say he can't because he doesn't have enough strength.

Now Mimic, in metal form, has half of Colossus's strength/durability.
He also has Wolverine's, denser than human bone claws.
So when in metal form his bones would be almost equal to Colossus' bone strength.

Bone strength >>>> skin strength

As Mimic's claws are made from this bone, I think they should be capable of slicing straight through Colossus like Wolverine's bone claws through a low durability superhuman (like Spider-Man or someone)

Any thoughts?

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Doesn't Colossus entire body become metal?

Does it mean Mimic's claws are half as durable as "unbreakable" adamantium

Originally posted by Soleran
Does it mean Mimic's claws are half as durable as "unbreakable" adamantium he does not adamantium. thats not one of wolvys powers

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
he does not adamantium. thats not one of wolvys powers


That was kinda my point, unless he has something that is more durable then Colossus I don't see him cutting into him without possibly taking damage himself.

Aaaargghhh..... read the post.

Mimic has Wolverine's extra durable skeleton (still bone though)

When he transforms into Colossus mode his bones also transform.

His claws are made of those bones.

So can razor sharp Claws made out of material over half as strong as Colossus' bones cut through Colossus' skin easily?

Half the speed of Northstar? even if he didn't have the physical power a hundred blows in a second would still do serious damage.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Half the speed of Northstar? even if he didn't have the physical power a hundred blows in a second would still do serious damage.

Yeah... but the thread is mainly about his claws against Colossus' skin.

I basically think it's as simple as a sharpened human bone being shoved into someone ... should go in with very little trouble.

Just wanted to see how others saw it happening

Your right though, by all logic Mimic should generate enough force to perice Colossus skin. Still going to be hard to prove, even though I feel he could do it.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Aaaargghhh..... read the post.

Mimic has Wolverine's extra durable skeleton (still bone though)

When he transforms into Colossus mode his bones also transform.

His claws are made of those bones.

So can razor sharp Claws made out of material over half as strong as Colossus' bones cut through Colossus' skin easily? Originally posted by Soleran
That was kinda my point, unless he has something that is more durable then Colossus I don't see him cutting into him without possibly taking damage himself.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Aaaargghhh..... read the post.

Mimic has Wolverine's extra durable skeleton (still bone though)

When he transforms into Colossus mode his bones also transform.

His claws are made of those bones.

So can razor sharp Claws made out of material over half as strong as Colossus' bones cut through Colossus' skin easily?

Didn't those claws break on several occassions? As I recall, Hyperion broke his claws + hand (kinda like squeezing an empty can) but I am almost sure they also broke in a fight, either against Iron Man, or against Namor or someone else with not-Hyperion-level durability.

So the situation is sort of like this.

Without backing the claw hit with superstrength or with Northstar's half speed, Mimic wouldn't hurt Colossus. If he does back it up, then there is enough momentum, but the claw material IMO is not tough enough to pierce Colossus' skin.

So that's my answer for the claw vs. steel skin thing.

All in all, Mimic DOES stomp Colossus, especially with the abilities you mentioned. However, claw vs. steel.....nah.

But....he looks like crap however, cause he's got deadpool's skin thing too

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Didn't those claws break on several occassions? As I recall, Hyperion broke his claws + hand (kinda like squeezing an empty can) but I am almost sure they also broke in a fight, either against Iron Man, or against Namor or someone else with not-Hyperion-level durability.

So the situation is sort of like this.

Without backing the claw hit with superstrength or with Northstar's half speed, Mimic wouldn't hurt Colossus. If he does back it up, then there is enough momentum, but the claw material IMO is not tough enough to pierce Colossus' skin.

Exiles Hyperion >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colossus

They broke when they were only bone one time ... don't think they ever broke as metal claws (other than against Hyperion)

When his claws are metal it's because he has turned to metal and he has 50% of Colossus' strength. That should be more than enough to back them up.

Originally posted by Scoobless
They broke when they were only bone one time ... don't think they ever broke as metal claws (other than against Hyperion)

No I don't recall off the top of my head them breaking in metal form, and I have the entire series. I will reread the Namor fight though to be sure

Reread Exiles #15, and his claws never broke in the issue he never even used them against Namor.

I dont think they can break through Colossus's skin.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Exiles Hyperion >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colossus

They broke when they were only bone one time ... don't think they ever broke as metal claws (other than against Hyperion)

When his claws are metal it's because he has turned to metal and he has 50% of Colossus' strength. That should be more than enough to back them up.

I also have the entire series and I don't really recall seeing them turn to metal....maybe when he was fighting the doombots before the Namor fight? I really can't recall them in any other form than bone. And seeing as how they were shown as bone in many times although since the very beginning of the series till he dies he has half of colossus' powers, I don't understand why sometimes they would be bone, and other times metal...doesn't sound right....I've seen them as bone when he was in steel form, so you can't say "they're metal when he's in steel form, and bone when he's normal", so........why would they be metal sometimes and bone other times?

The way I see it is that it was just something....of a graphical nature + perhaps the writer just didn't see it as something of great importance.

Just look at what he did to Hyperion. And I think Colossus isn't as tough as Hyperion. He could pull of something I'm sure of it.

Against the doombots they didn't break either, I checked. The claws cut them like butter.

And the Namor fight I forgot to mention...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Against the doombots they didn't break either, I checked. The claws cut them like butter.

Ok, but still not convinced they would cut through Colossus' skin. If they were that strong, why didn't he use them against Namor? I mean sure, the whole dramatic "Beat him to death in an inferno" thing must've played a part, but I bet the writer's wouldn't have missed out on another wolverine-like moment if they would've been able to pierce his skin.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
I also have the entire series and I don't really recall seeing them turn to metal....maybe when he was fighting the doombots before the Namor fight? I really can't recall them in any other form than bone. And seeing as how they were shown as bone in many times although since the very beginning of the series till he dies he has half of colossus' powers, I don't understand why sometimes they would be bone, and other times metal...doesn't sound right....I've seen them as bone when he was in steel form, so you can't say "they're metal when he's in steel form, and bone when he's normal", so........why would they be metal sometimes and bone other times?

The way I see it is that it was just something....of a graphical nature + perhaps the writer just didn't see it as something of great importance.

Everytime Mimic turned metal, so did his claws.... whenever he wasn't in his Colossus form, they were bone claws

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
I dont think they can break through Colossus's skin.

Why not?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Just look at what he did to Hyperion. And I think Colossus isn't as tough as Hyperion. He could pull of something I'm sure of it.

Yes, and he almost died from it, while Hyperion stood up and started laughing...

Originally posted by Scoobless
Everytime Mimic turned metal, so did his claws.... whenever he wasn't in his Colossus form, they were bone claws

I'm at work now but if you want when I get home I will provide you with scans of him in metal form with bone claws, since I am 100% sure that happened on several occassions

Originally posted by Scoobless
Why not? because they are only 50% of Petes strength and the denser wolverine bones dont really add enough to make the 50% able to cut through. If he could use Northstar's speed he could probbly do it. just my opinion of course

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
because they are only 50% of Petes strength and the denser wolverine bones dont really add enough to make the 50% able to cut through. If he could use Northstar's speed he could probbly do it. just my opinion of course

Do you think someone half your size could stab you with a sharpened leg bone?

Same thing.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Ok, but still not convinced they would cut through Colossus' skin. If they were that strong, why didn't he use them against Namor? I mean sure, the whole dramatic "Beat him to death in an inferno" thing must've played a part, but I bet the writer's wouldn't have missed out on another wolverine-like moment if they would've been able to pierce his skin.

Dramatic scene, nothing more.

My general point being that:

1. I personally imagine Wolverine trying to hit Colossus with the bone claws and the claws breaking.

2. With more force behind it (half of colossus' strength) that would not mean more potential of them piercing colossus, but rather a mili second less that it would take for them to break.


I see it like this.

Take twig and try to poke a tree trunk. Poke as hard as it takes until the twig breaks. Now do the same with a new twig, only from the get-go, hit REALLY hard. You'll notice, hitting harder doesn't mean the twig pierces the trunk...it just breaks faster.

That's the way I see things...

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
I see it like this.

Take twig and try to poke a tree trunk. Poke as hard as it takes until the twig breaks. Now do the same with a new twig, only from the get-go, hit REALLY hard. You'll notice, hitting harder doesn't mean the twig pierces the trunk...it just breaks faster.

That's the way I see things...

That's a really, really, bad anaology.

Bones are far stronger than skin, twigs are not far stronger than tree trunks

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's a really, really, bad anaology.

Bones are far stronger than skin, twigs are not far stronger than tree trunks



bones however are not far stronger than steel, or organic steel

I was being kind making it seem like the bones would be somewhere in the vicinity of steel when comparing the twig to the tree trunk

Well just going mach 2 as Aurora did to X-23 here fingertips can peirce steel as stated. With Mimic's strength and speed yeah he definetly can do it. I'm pretty sure he could even without the speed.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
bones however are not far stronger than steel, or organic steel

I was being kind making it seem like the bones would be somewhere in the vicinity of steel when comparing the twig to the tree trunk

You don't seem to be getting this.

Colossus' bones turn to steel along with the rest of him ... it's all in proportion.

Same with Mimic.

Mimic's claws are slightly over half the strength of Colossus' bones while in metallic form.

Razor sharp bones >>> skin

Razor sharp, organic steel, bones >>> organic steel skin

Originally posted by Scoobless
You don't seem to be getting this.

Colossus' bones turn to steel along with the rest of him ... it's all in proportion.

Same with Mimic.

Mimic's claws are slightly over half the strength of Colossus' bones while in metallic form.

Razor sharp bones >>> skin

Razor sharp, organic steel, bones >>> organic steel skin

A noodle is about half the strength of my skin. Now, with half my strength, try to pierce my skin with that noodle

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
A noodle is about half the strength of my skin. Now, with half my strength, try to pierce my skin with that noodle

Um... no.

Noodles are incredibly weak, brittle objects (unless cooked)

Wood is around half the strength of bone... go try and stab yourself with some wood.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/918/bonestrengthfu7.jpg

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/chb/lectures/medweb.html

Has Mimic ever been shown to use his super speed when in his metal form? I thought he had to change back to use his super speed.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
Has Mimic ever been shown to use his super speed when in his metal form?

Yeah... but not often.