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Who wins?

team one

ooh, this smells like spite.
Team 2/Surfer solos.

I think Surfer could beat all 3, realistically.
too fast, too powerful, too versatile, too durable... too much for this lot.

Team 1 for the win. WWH > Classic Thor (regular Hulk was hard enough for him to deal with, let alone an exponentially more powerful version), and Sentry is on par with Surfer (Sentry punked Terrax much easier than Surfer could or ever has).

Team 2 wins in one on ones and this team fight.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Team 1 for the win. WWH > Classic Thor (regular Hulk was hard enough for him to deal with, let alone an exponentially more powerful version), and Sentry is on par with Surfer (Sentry punked Terrax much easier than Surfer could or ever has).
dunno about the Sentry = Surfer thing. Sentry hasn't impressed me much.

at best I'd say Sentry was just a little better than Gladiator. Surfer would probably rip him in half, just like exiles Surfer did Gladiator, if Surfer ever cut-loose. and that's the real reason why I rate Surfer here, he has far more power than he usually displays, think about how he beat UniLord or how he could take Redshift's PC or Firelord's PC etc ...

imo Surfer >> Sentry, Thor << WWH - but Hulk is slower and doesn't have range so can easily be bfr'd if necessary.

Surfer would drain the gamma out of Hulk, enough to let Thor hang with Hulk or bfr him, whilst Surfer rips Sentry apart (imo of course).

...When did World War Hulk become on par with Thor? Classic Thor even?

Surfer solos Team 1.

Hulk's always been about 'on par' with Thor, in their confrontations... Hulk's usual strength levels are around his level.

of course it's difficult to even categorize them when one flies and has a raft of range attacks and energy manipulation abilities and then other just has various physical attack options and insane durability and regeneration.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Surfer solos Team 1.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg

Originally posted by Kutulu
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg Both weakened.

Surfer could also just have fried that SOB.

Originally posted by Kutulu
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg

Okay?

A surfer who only had physical strength and durability, who still ended up kicking the Hulk's ass, as well as his team-mates. How does that prove anything?

Originally posted by Nod
Both weakened.

Surfer could also just have fried that SOB.

Both weakened equally, Hulk won. Even when Hulk wins, on KMC he loses, gotta love it.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Both weakened equally, Hulk won. Even when Hulk wins, on KMC he loses, gotta love it.

WHAAAT? Hulk didn't win that fight at all.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Both weakened equally, Hulk won. Even when Hulk wins, on KMC he loses, gotta love it. What??

He wasn't allowed to use his powers. Was stuck just hand to hand and Hulk had to have help.

Show me I am wrong.

Originally posted by Nod
What??

He wasn't allowed to sue his powers. Was stuck just hand to hand and Hulk had to have help.

Show me I am wrong.

Surfer was weakened. Check.
Hulk was weakened. Check.

Surfer didn't have full range of his powers. Check.
Hulk didn't have full range of his powers. Check.

Hulk wins against Surfer in the comic by using his brain (strategy) for a change instead of just brawling. Check.

On KMC, Hulk somehow loses to Surfer when Surfer is down on the ground unconscious, getting pounded. Check.

Gotta love the Hulk haters here.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg

Originally posted by Kutulu
Surfer was weakened. Check.
Hulk was weakened. Check.

Surfer didn't have full range of his powers. Check.
Hulk didn't have full range of his powers. Check.

Hulk wins against Surfer in the comic by using his brain (strategy) for a change instead of just brawling. Check.

On KMC, Hulk somehow loses to Surfer when Surfer is down on the ground unconscious, getting pounded. Check.

Gotta love the Hulk haters here.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg

Both weakened. but theres differences. Hulk smashed and has help. Surfer is cut off from what he does.

You can show Hulk winning but I can show you him being controlled and not using his powers and Hulk needing his team.

Uhm

- Surfer beats them up
- Hulk knocks off Surfer's mind control disk
- Surfer thanks the Hulk
- Hulk attacks him
- Surfer stands up
- They talk
- Surfer leaves

Originally posted by Nod
Both weakened. but theres differences. Hulk smashed and has help. Surfer is cut off from what he does.

You can show Hulk winning but I can show you him being controlled and not using his powers and Hulk needing his team.

Both Hulk and Surfer were controlled. Both had equal loss of their power levels.

Entire fight:
http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/6029/surfer2ih95a7qh.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1812/surfer2ih95c7db.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/2323/surfer2ih95d1he.jpg
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http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg

Surfer hits Hulk once, knocks him back, Hulk wipes his lip (hardly hurt at all). Surfer then beats on some of Hulk's friends, Hulk uses strategy to attack Surfer's control Disk, then beats him down into unconsciousness.

Surfer, unconsious, Hulk, stronger than he was when the fight began. Normally that would be called a win, except on KMC where it's somehow a loss. Same thing with the Sentry fight, Sentry unconscious, Hulk at full health ready to bust up the planet, on KMC that counts as a stalemate.

The Hulk hate level here is ridiculous. Fortunately the writers and artists at Marvel (you know, the guys that actually write and draw the comics) don't agree with the posters here.

Go ahead and hate on the Hulk some more, fact of the matter is Hulk was full strength and undamaged, and Surfer was on the ground unconscious, with both of their powers being sapped equally, and both of them having a control disk at the beginning of the fight.

You are probably one of the biggest fanboys I ever saw.

Surfer doesn't fight like that normally, they had to stop him fighting properly for him to win. Then he also has to have help.

Maybe they were sapped equally, but there is a difference in how it was done.

Surfer had none of his normal powers. He also whipped on the Hulk and allies until Hulk used his allies properly. So either way that wasnt one on one. SUrfer then THANKS HIM and Hulk attacked.

Maybe he won, but not on hs own and thats not even close to what would have.

Only the stupidest retard who read comics for a week would think that.

Oh then theres you.

Honestly Hulk hater? No, your just a fanboy.

Nod, you know better than to sling insults. Please be more responsible with your posts. Thanks.

Either of team 2 could solo

Thor couldn't solo.

Surfer can if he has no powers like he did in the Hulk fight.

Yes I saw you Badabng.

Originally posted by Nod
Thor couldn't solo.

Surfer can if he has no powers like he did in the Hulk fight.

Yes I saw you Badabng.

Originally posted by Nod
You are probably one of the biggest fanboys I ever saw.

Surfer doesn't fight like that normally, they had to stop him fighting properly for him to win. Then he also has to have help.

Maybe they were sapped equally, but there is a difference in how it was done.

Surfer had none of his normal powers. He also whipped on the Hulk and allies until Hulk used his allies properly. So either way that wasnt one on one. SUrfer then THANKS HIM and Hulk attacked.

Maybe he won, but not on hs own and thats not even close to what would have.

Only the stupidest retard who read comics for a week would think that.

Oh then theres you.

Honestly Hulk hater? No, your just a fanboy.

You didn't even read the story.

Hulk still had an obedience disk on, of course he would continue to attack.

Hulk won, end of story, and used his mind and brawn to do it. They were both weakened equally.

But weakened different.

Surfer lost his powers. Hulk were just weakened.

I read all of Planet Hulk. I just happen to be un-biased because I actually like Hulk but dislike Surfer.

So your saying Surfer losing his powers and Hulk just getting weakened is a fair win and shows what would happen in a real fight?

Originally posted by Nod
But weakened different.

Surfer lost his powers. Hulk were just weakened.

I read all of Planet Hulk. I just happen to be un-biased because I actually like Hulk but dislike Surfer.

So your saying Surfer losing his powers and Hulk just getting weakened is a fair win and shows what would happen in a real fight?

I never said that's what would happen in a standard arena match.

They were both weakened equally. Surfer would take a vast majority against regular Hulk, there are few people that question that.

The reason I posted the scans was to show that Hulk physically was greater than Surfer was physically (in terms of strength and toughness). Surfer with his full range of powers would wipe out the Hulk as he always has in the past, unless it came down to a hand to hand fight, but Hulk does have the strength and brawn necessary to physically knock Surfer out, and that is canon. The only reason I posted the scans was in response to people saying that Surfer would simply solo team 1, which is completely unfounded based upon past showings of both characters from team 1.

Hulk has held his own against Thor in the past, they both have wins and losses against each other. WWH was regular Hulk but with exponentially increased strength, durability, and regeneration. So regular Hulk closely matching Thor hand to hammer is a good indication that regular Hulk was a close match to Thor. When you take what was previously a close match and amplify one opponent's strength an order of magnitude above what it was before, then the fight changes. Look at Thor vs. Kurse, after Kurse got amped up a mere 4 times. WWH was far more than 4x as strong as regular Hulk.

WWH one-shotted Ares and She-Hulk as an example of how much stronger his strength had gotten. So it's no stretch to say that WWH would pound classic Thor.

Sentry has matched heralds in the past also. Look at how Sentry punked Terrax. Granted Surfer is far above Terrax as well, but if you look at how their fights went, Sentry was clearly vastly more powerful than Terrax using only a small portion of his energies. So to say that Surfer soloes team 1 is straight up ludicrous. I have the entire Silver Surfer collection, and I know Surfer is incredibly powerful and has a vast array of abilities, but the statements made like saying Surfer would solo team 1 is ridiculous.

The difference is when Surfer has his power he amps. that is his thng. When Surfer doesn't amp I havent saw him be that impressive.

SO WTF have you been talking about.

Oh and SUrfer wins 10/10 when he has the power.

he probably would have won in the fight if Hulk didn't have his team.

Originally posted by Nod
The difference is when Surfer has his power he amps. that is his thng. When Surfer doesn't amp I havent saw him be that impressive.

SO WTF have you been talking about.

Oh and SUrfer wins 10/10 when he has the power.

he probably would have won in the fight if Hulk didn't have his team.

Hulk amping strength > Surfer amping strength. Surfer only wins via his versatility and speed. In a fist cuff, WWH would beat the crap outta Surfer with Surfer only amping strength and durability. That's on-panel and it's canon. Hulk and Surfer both weakened by the same amount, with Surfer only able to use amp his physical attributes < Hulk. Period.

You have already made up your mind though, so it's pointless replying to you any further at this point. When Surfer has his power, he wins 10/10, I agree with you on that, but it's not from brute force and brawn.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk amping strength > Surfer amping strength.



Its like talking to a child.

I am done till you change your nappies.

Originally posted by Nod


Its like talking to a child.

I am done till you change your nappies.

On-panel evidence > you. I have proven my side, you have yet to back up anything you say. WWH levels of power exceed any previous levels that Hulk was at. WWH matched Sentry hand to hand, and Sentry was able to crush Terrax's hand and snap his axe like an adult handling a child with a stick. Go ahead and keep talking trash though, it amuses me.

The Surfer vs Hulk fight isn't really reflective of either Surfer's or Hulks abilities. and it did favour Hulk greatly in that it restricted Surfer from accessing his range and energy attacks, as well as him being depleted from the journey through the blackhole and - most importantly - being cut off from the Power Cosmic. the equivalent for Hulk would be to be unable to amp his strength, to be cut off from his extra-dimensional power source. this he patently wasn't, as he showed that he could just get madder/stronger.

Hulk too was depleted and more importantly, he lacked his normal insane durability - spears, fire etc all affected him - and seemed to also be weaker in his base levels for strength and regeneration/HF.

the interesting thing from Planet Hulk, as relates to Surfer, is that it showed Hulk - even whilst unprepared - to have a higher durability than Surfer. Surfer was KO'd by the journey through the Sakaar blackhole and left far weaker as a result. Hulk was weakened but still strong enough to pound the crap out of everybody on Sakaar and to basically hold the planet together with his bare hands.


in a straight up slugfest, the Hulk would always come out on top. though not without first suffering a hell of a beating on the way to overpowering Surfer. Surfer is capable of being fully extended (powerwise) whereas Hulk categorically is not. there is no limit there, neither in the amount of power he has access to nor the amount of power he can output at any time.

in this scenario, a bloodlusted and un-hindered Surfer would win against whatever Hulk, because he would always be able to work Hulk's energies against him, to siphon and dump the gamma into a pocket dimension, to take Hulk's dna and work that against him (to a degree - he clearly has the skills) and Surfer would initially be the stronger of the two making it easy to gain some distance by punching/bfring Hulk away.


anyway, Thor and Sentry are irrelevant here, it's Hulk vs Surfer, and since Surfer isn't handicapped he's free to dodge and parry, fire blasts, siphon energy, dump a blackhole on Hulk.

Sentry versus Terrax, a herald of Galactus just like Surfer:
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010150oe.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010169mw.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010170vk.jpg

No bloody nose, no huge tornado of energy, not even one hundredth of the power Sentry used against WWH. I rest my case.

not denying Sentry punked Terrax, it was a great showing but Sentry is not in Hulk's league, Surfer is.

Sentry would die if WWH had wanted to kill him, remember Sentry was going all out and Hulk was just keeping up with him. Sentry did far less visible damage to Hulk than Zom/Strange too.

you saw how Surfer took on monsters like UniLord? imo Surfer is just written poorly so as to make a decent bit of tension/drama, usually.

we don't see Surfer really showboating or, for that matter, really determined to fight someone, he's more into the moralising and 'educating' than anything else.

Either of the characters on team two solo.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Sentry versus Terrax, a herald of Galactus just like Surfer:
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010150oe.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010169mw.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010170vk.jpg

No bloody nose, no huge tornado of energy, not even one hundredth of the power Sentry used against WWH. I rest my case.

Three pages?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/thorvsterrax11vu.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/thorvsterrax22kc.jpg

Team two easily.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk amping strength > Surfer amping strength. Surfer only wins via his versatility and speed. In a fist cuff, WWH would beat the crap outta Surfer with Surfer only amping strength and durability. That's on-panel and it's canon. Hulk and Surfer both weakened by the same amount, with Surfer only able to use amp his physical attributes < Hulk. Period.

You have already made up your mind though, so it's pointless replying to you any further at this point. When Surfer has his power, he wins 10/10, I agree with you on that, but it's not from brute force and brawn.

Hulk amping his srength because even after an hour of amping he was stil incapable of eclisping the level of Thor. Considering it will take less than a minut or so to end this fight, Hulk's screwed.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/1-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/2-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/3-2.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/6-1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/8.jpg

Originally posted by Larceny
Hulk amping his srength because even after an hour of amping he was stil incapable of eclisping the level of Thor. Considering it will take less than a minut or so to end this fight, Hulk's screwed.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/1-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/2-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/3-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/4-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/5-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/6-1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/8.jpg

WWH > Classic Hulk. Take the scan where they are close to matched, then amplify Hulk's strength times 100, and the results will be far different.

100 times?

Originally posted by Kutulu
WWH > Classic Hulk. Take the scan where they are close to matched, then amplify Hulk's strength times 100, and the results will be far different.

Fortunately for my case your incapable of proving Hulk's strength was amplified times 100. In fact, other than chit chat, I doubt you can prove WWH was any stronger than Savage Hulk especially considering Savage Hulks feats completely dwarf WWH's feats.

Tea two wins easily.

Originally posted by Larceny
Fortunately for my case your incapable of proving Hulk's strength was amplified times 100. In fact, other than chit chat, I doubt you can prove WWH was any stronger than Savage Hulk especially considering Savage Hulks feats completely dwarf WWH's feats.

Tea two wins easily.

You don't even accept on-panel evidence after it's been posted in verbatim for you to look at, what you say means little when you can't even accept what's written on the page. You lost all credibility.

Originally posted by Nod
100 times?

More than 100 times. Look at what a regular Hulk stomp does compared with a simple step at the end of WWH # 5 which shakes the entire eastern seaboard and cracks the island that Manhattan is on in half.

Originally posted by Kutulu
You don't even accept on-panel evidence after it's been posted in verbatim for you to look at, what you say means little when you can't even accept what's written on the page. You lost all credibility.

No, you ha....wait never mind never had any to begin with.

Anyway team 2 win, no problem.

Originally posted by Kutulu
More than 100 times. Look at what a regular Hulk stomp does compared with a simple step at the end of WWH # 5 which shakes the entire eastern seaboard and cracks the island that Manhattan is on in half. And thats your argument for him to be a 100 times stronger??

Try again.

Originally posted by Nod
No, you ha....wait never mind never had any to begin with.

Anyway team 2 win, no problem.

You've already been disproven multiple times, you're nothing but a SOCK anyways. Back to the closet with you, A.J.

Originally posted by Kutulu
You've already been disproven multiple times, you're nothing but a SOCK anyways. Back to the closet with you, A.J.

Where? I have seen you only believing what helps you sleep and thats it.

Everything else is ignored.

AJ? Try again.

Originally posted by Kutulu
You don't even accept on-panel evidence after it's been posted in verbatim for you to look at, what you say means little when you can't even accept what's written on the page. You lost all credibility.

Is this your concession or an ill attempt to distract us from the fact that you lack sufficient evidence to support your claim that WWH was 100 times as strong as Savage Hulk?

Originally posted by Nod
Where? I have seen you only believing what helps you sleep and thats it.

Everything else is ignored.

AJ? Try again.

Leave this be, I'll handle it. He's only resorting to personal insults in hopes that he'll distract us from the fact that he lacks sufficient evidence to support his claims.

Originally posted by Larceny
Leave this be, I'll handle it. He's only resorting to personal insults in hopes that he'll distract us from the fact that he lacks sufficient evidence to support his claims.

Originally posted by Larceny
Is this your concession or an ill attempt to distract us from the fact that you lack sufficient evidence to support your claim that WWH was 100 times as strong as Savage Hulk?

The math has already been posted elsewhere. You can't even read what's written on-panel about your favorite character.

Nothing I can say would change your mind as you're set in your ways. I've already proven my point in past threads about WWH's strength level versus old savage hulk strength level. Hulk's strength is based on his rage, and he wasn't very angry in the scans you posted versus his rage level in WWH, not even by a longshot.

Originally posted by Larceny
Leave this be, I'll handle it. He's only resorting to personal insults in hopes that he'll distract us from the fact that he lacks sufficient evidence to support his claims.

Wow, two past posters that were banned ganging up on me, gee I'm so threatened. We got Soujaboy and A.J. teaming up, oooh I'm so scared. hysterical2

Originally posted by Kutulu
Wow, two past posters that were banned ganging up on me, gee I'm so threatened. We got Soujaboy and A.J. teaming up, oooh I'm so scared. hysterical2

You fail so hard you should be.

Originally posted by Kutulu
The math has already been posted elsewhere. You can't even read what's written on-panel about your favorite character.

Nothing I can say would change your mind as you're set in your ways. I've already proven my point in past threads about WWH's strength level versus old savage hulk strength level. Hulk's strength is based on his rage, and he wasn't very angry in the scans you posted versus his rage level in WWH, not even by a longshot.

Laugh all you wish. I realize it's a defense mechanism to distract us from the hole your incompetence has dug you.

Your right, nothing you say can change my mind. Hence the reason I requested proof. Proof you're obviously incapable of providing.

This isn't past threads. You made a claim here, and now you're required to support those claims. References to former debates isn't accepted as proof.

Savage Hulk was constantly angry, and he was provoked by the fact that he couldn't overpower Thor. However if this isn't enough I'll provide scans of Thor owning Mindless Hulk.

BTW, incase you haven't noticed you're losing.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Wow, two past posters that were banned ganging up on me, gee I'm so threatened. We got Soujaboy and A.J. teaming up, oooh I'm so scared. hysterical2

Is your goal to impress us with your ignorance? I requested that ban, so that I could create a new profile. Ask Digi if you require further confirmation.

Originally posted by Kutulu
You've already been disproven multiple times, you're nothing but a SOCK anyways. Back to the closet with you, A.J. Please don't call people a sock unless you have proof. If there is proof then PM Rex, PR, Tron or me. Personal problems should be taken to the PMs. Thanks.

This thread has been on the reports too much. I have no problem closing it if problems persist.

Originally posted by Badabing
Please don't call people a sock unless you have proof. If there is proof then PM Rex, PR, Tron or me. Personal problems should be taken to the PMs. Thanks.

This thread has been on the reports too much. I have no problem closing it if problems persist.

There's no problem here. For some odd reason he got defensive when asked to provide sufficient evidence to support his claims.

Team 2 ftw. I'm not sure about power, but they have the edge with versatility, which includes magic.

Let's take a look at this fight from another angle. The Hulk has beaten Thor in the past, and now as WWHulk he is far more powerful. This is a no brainer, he should beat classic Thor senseless these days. Sentry has beaten Terrax with ease, he actually beat him worse than the Silver Surfer ever has, and one of his power sets is to be 10 seconds ahead of his opponents like Massacre from DC comics in a sense. The difference is that Massacre reads a persons movements or thought patterns and acts accordingly.

Sentry in all respect should beat the hell out of Norrin for the majority. Terrax's hand was crushed by Sentry with a smile and with very little effort his axe broken and, Sentry could have killed him if he had the mindset of someone like Sinestro or Lobo. I have never seen The Silver Surfer handle Terrax this way. Team one will win hands down. The reason that the Silver Surfer can beat the Hulk is because he drains the gamma radiation from him and adds it to his already immpressive strength, so Hulk should not fight him because Norrin has the power to cancel him out.

On the Flip side, if Sentry fought Thor I can see him losing, because of his power set, I also see Surfer beating the Hulk with ease, if they fought. So in the second scenario team 2 wins hands down. Sentry like Superman appears to be weak against magic and is easily bfr'd as the Collective was seen to push him into a worm hole. Thor can beat Sentry most of the time IMO. Surfer will kill The Hulk due to energy drain. so this fight would be up to who takes on who.

Also noted.... Sentry can keep up to either Thor or the Silver Surfer in the speed dept. he can also fight at super sonic speeds like Captain Marvel and Superman, he is also an energy projector as seen in WWHulk 5.

5/10 for either team.