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Spiderman has decided to stop crime in Gotham. He believe's Batman has failed horribly. Being arrogant as ussual, Batman challenges Spiderman and friends for the city.

Batman
Nightwing
Robin (Tim)
Batgirl (Barbara)
Huntress
Black canary
Green Arrow


vs.

Spiderman
Black cat
Spider woman

hmm 2 meta humans and a chick with lots a luck vs the prep king and his proteges.

Without prep Bats & co has no hope
With prep well as you know Bats can slay Galactus

Anybody on the Bat Family can down Black Cat. Then it's seven on 2. Bat Family take it. Too many numbers and gadgets and probably skill.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Anybody on the Bat Family can down Black Cat. Then it's seven on 2. Bat Family take it. Too many numbers and gadgets and probably skill.

Black cat is a bit lame agreed but spider man and woman together that's a lot of power and speed to deal with unless Bats has an anti spider spray in his utility belt he ain't taking this easily maybe 3/10

All 7 on the Bat list have utility belts or quivers. Neither Spiderman or Spiderwoman have gas masks.

Bat-family wins- 'cause you stacked the deck. This is just trying to dance around the old question... Batman vs Spider-man. I love Batman... as a character, I rank him as the all time best superhero, but one on one... Spidey wipes him out. And please spare me the "with prep time..." I'm talking man to man, straight up fight, standard gear.

In H2H Spiderman should "wipe him". Batman utility belt is being underestimated. Green Arrow is basically a poor man's Batman with gadgets on arrows with unmatched archering skill. All have utility belts and gas masks. Think of all that gas, smoke, and explosions the spiders would be dealing with.

spidey has fought characters with gadgets all time like goblin (and goblin has near equivalent strength). Spidey damn near took out the x-men solo one time. He's not going down easily to bat family when he has the delicious pheremone exuding spider woman to aid him.

without prep Spiders 7/10
with prep Bats 6/10

*coughcoughgasmaskscoughcough*

If this was a serious Spiderman they would not have a chance.

Spiderwoman and Black Cat are not really good back up though, with even numbers Spidey would take it.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
*coughcoughgasmaskscoughcough*

Damn can't reach my utility belt i'm all tied up with stronger than steel webbing. Sh!t where's my head gone knocked off by a ten ton punch

Batman fights people beyond Peter Parker's level all the time. And about the webbing, Poison Ivy is in the Batman Rogue's Gallery.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Batman fights people beyond Peter Parker's level all the time. And about the webbing, Poison Ivy is in the Batman Rogue's Gallery.

Yes, and realistically he should lose.

Peter Parker has taken out a herald single handedly so he fights aginst the odds all the time. But being more realistic as Mindset said Bats should lose. Parker is 100 times stronger than a normal guy (no exaggeration) so having 7 in your team doesn't help too much. Remember Spidey's no slouch in the brain dept either.

Not disputing his strength. If he wanted to he could probably one-shot each one of their heads off!

But Batman and Green Arrow are JLA members. They fight against the odds(herald-level people) everyday.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Not disputing his strength. If he wanted to he could probably one-shot each one of their heads off!

But Batman and Green Arrow are JLA members. They fight against the odds(herald-level people) everyday.

Yea, and there's no way they should be able to even put up a decent fight, aside from plot.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Not disputing his strength. If he wanted to he could probably one-shot each one of their heads off!

But Batman and Green Arrow are JLA members. They fight against the odds(herald-level people) everyday.

as part of a team. Spidey has beaten Firelord, Titania, Rhino, Galactus, (ok I lied about Galactus)

Originally posted by severance
as part of a team. Spidey has beaten Firelord, Titania, Rhino, Galactus, (ok I lied about Galactus)

on his own and not a team. Also he has eaten the sinister 7 numerous times

The Bat Family murders and eats Pete n' Co.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The Bat Family murders and eats Pete n' Co.

no they really don't no

Originally posted by severance
no they really don't no

Yes, they really do. Even with the whole "no killing people" thing that heroes have. The match up is just too skewed.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes, they really do. Even with the whole "no killing people" thing that heroes have. The match up is just too skewed.

read what has already been posted and dispute it with evidence. Its to late in the day for a no they won't yes they will argument

Originally posted by severance
read what has already been posted and dispute it with evidence. Its to late in the day for a no they won't yes they will argument

1) Your evidence was poor/nonexistent
2) You need to learn grammar
3) The Batfamily has better range, better tactics, better tech, better skill, more stopping power and have more experience working together. Pete n' Co simply cannot win.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
1) Your evidence was poor/nonexistent
2) You need to learn grammar
3) The Batfamily has better range, better tactics, better tech, better skill, more stopping power and have more experience working together. Pete n' Co simply cannot win. Omg sexiest post ever.

Only way spider duo takes some wins if they rush bat team right when fight stars and they dont hold back, going all out.

10 ton punches, webbing them mummy style so they wont cut free with gadgets, webbing cars and flinging them at them (killing intention), ect.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The Bat Family murders and eats Pete n' Co.

No, not really, Spiderman alone would take down a few of them. Actually if Spiderman takes down Batman first I could see him soloing the rest.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, not really, Spiderman alone would take down a few of them. Actually if Spiderman takes down Batman first I could see him soloing the rest.

Black Canary screams.

Game over.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Only way spider duo takes some wins if they rush bat team right when fight stars and they downt hold back going all out.

10 ton punches, webbing them mummy style so they wont cut free with gadgets, webbing cars and flinging them at them (killing intention), ect.

Spiderman is stronger than 10 tons, 15 maybe 20, but since the other never happened now it's probably more like 15.

Originally posted by batdude123
Black Canary screams.

Game over.

Spiderman speed blitz with blood lust, game over.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, not really, Spiderman alone would take down a few of them. Actually if Spiderman takes down Batman first I could see him soloing the rest.

Individually? Sure.
When they're working together under Batman's guidance? Not a chance.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
1) Your evidence was poor/nonexistent
2) You need to learn grammar
3) The Batfamily has better range, better tactics, better tech, better skill, more stopping power and have more experience working together. Pete n' Co simply cannot win.

ooh fighting talk.

1) No it wasn't
2) no I don't
3) no they don't

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Individually? Sure.
When they're working together under Batman's guidance? Not a chance.

Did you miss the part where I said if Spiderman takes Batman out first?

Kind of hard to give instructions when your koed.

Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman speed blitz with blood lust, game over.

Spidey doesn't speedblitz.

Originally posted by Mindset
Did you miss the part where I said if Spiderman takes Batman out first?

Kind of hard to give instructions when your koed.

Kind of hard to take out Batman when you're deaf from BC's powers, have six arrows stuck in your chest from GA and are being buttsecked by Robin.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Spidey doesn't speedblitz.

Have you read Spiderman?

What are you talking about?

And most times Spiderman isn't bloodlusted so he is holding back.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Spidey doesn't speedblitz.

He has numerous times.

Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman speed blitz with blood lust, game over.



He's not doing that before Canary screams.

Originally posted by Inhuman
He has numerous times.

How do you define speedblitz in this case?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Kind of hard to take out Batman when you're deaf from BC's powers, have six arrows stuck in your chest from GA and are being buttsecked by Robin.

Yes, Spiderman can dodge multiple machine gun fire, but not arrows.

If Spiderman was bloodlusted he'd have must of them koed in a short time anyway.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
and are being buttsecked by Robin.

Now we are being realistic with characters power sets jr_hmm01

Originally posted by Inhuman
Now we are being realistic with characters power sets jr_hmm01



Seriously, Robin isn't doing shit.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Spidey doesn't speedblitz.

So DC characters can speed blitz and this is the catch all win all argument but a marvel guy cannot. Spidey can speed blitz (although to a much much lesser extent than Superman). When he beat the xmens asses in the Secret wars they were saying he's so strong so fast barely had time to think (not an exact quote more a paraphrase)

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, Spiderman can dodge multiple machine gun fire, but not arrows.

If Spiderman was bloodlusted he'd have must of them koed in a short time anyway.

GA is a much more dangerous foe than mooks carrying AKs.

There's really no way Spiderman would take down people like Batman or BC in short order when they have any sort of back up.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How do you define speedblitz in this case?

Just because spiderman is not the flash, doesnt mean he isnt leagues above a normal human.

And he has blized more than a few times before.

Originally posted by severance
So DC characters can speed blitz and this is the catch all win all argument but a marvel guy cannot.

Strawman.

Ad hominem.

Originally posted by severance
Spidey can speed blitz (although to a much much lesser extent than Superman). When he beat the xmens asses in the Secret wars they were saying he's so strong so fast barely had time to think (not an exact quote more a paraphrase)

I wasn't aware. I've seen him use speed but never in anything I would consider a blitz.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
GA is a much more dangerous foe than mooks carrying AKs.

There's really no way Spiderman would take down people like Batman or BC in short order when they have any sort of back up.

arrows fly at 200mph bullets 1500mph. It would be like dodging balloons

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Strawman.

Ad hominem.



I wasn't aware. I've seen him use speed but never in anything I would consider a blitz.

he blitz like 4 different heroes at one time in the last issue of Civil War.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Strawman.

Ad hominem.



I wasn't aware. I've seen him use speed but never in anything I would consider a blitz.

No it doesn't look anything like a flash speed blitz cos he's only about 10-50 times faster than a normal guy not thousands of times. But its fast enough to make a real difference aginst 7 above olympic level guys

http://i27.tinypic.com/2afh66d.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/1ptmrt.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/15dmn8h.jpg

Originally posted by Inhuman
http://i27.tinypic.com/2afh66d.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/1ptmrt.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/15dmn8h.jpg

perfect example thanks

Just to underline blitzing a herald

whip

Originally posted by severance
No it doesn't look anything like a flash speed blitz cos he's only about 10-50 times faster than a normal guy not thousands of times. But its fast enough to make a real difference aginst 7 above olympic level guys

Right. An Olympic level athlete can really do all of this...

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics577199ik.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batqd7.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batxg3.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batbh7.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat2db1.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat3dn4.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ph0.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page218f.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page229q.jpg

http://img188.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=99996_batshot-stealth_122_155lo.jpg

Etc. etc. etc....

Originally posted by batdude123
Right. An Olympic level athlete can really do all of this...

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics577199ik.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batqd7.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batxg3.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batbh7.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat2db1.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat3dn4.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ph0.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page218f.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page229q.jpg

http://img188.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=99996_batshot-stealth_122_155lo.jpg

Etc. etc. etc.... Pwnt.

Originally posted by batdude123
Right. An Olympic level athlete can really do all of this...

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics577199ik.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batqd7.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batxg3.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batbh7.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat2db1.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat3dn4.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ph0.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page218f.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page229q.jpg

http://img188.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=99996_batshot-stealth_122_155lo.jpg

Etc. etc. etc.... Kurt Angle could.

Originally posted by batdude123
Right. An Olympic level athlete can really do all of this...

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ph0.jpg

Etc. etc. etc....

LUL'z

http://i28.tinypic.com/2cpuc0m.jpg

That looked like Superman...

I'll add this to it.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Out50-p21.jpg

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That looked like Superman...

your right







Both characters have speed feats but in the end it still remains that peter is faster than bats.

Originally posted by Inhuman
LUL'z

http://i28.tinypic.com/2cpuc0m.jpg

He was moving fast enough to shatter the pavement beneath him and it looks like he was just KOd. That actually a pretty good feat.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Both characters have speed feats but in the end it still remains that peter is faster than bats. However, Batman is supposedly only an Olympic level athlete.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
However, Batman is supposedly only an Olympic level athlete.

The Olympics have been getting more and more intense.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Both characters have speed feats but in the end it still remains that peter is faster than bats.

Maybe, but I've never seen Peter do anything comparable to what Bats did here:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Out50-p21.jpg

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
However, Batman is supposedly only an Olympic level athlete.

Performance enhancing drugs?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
However, Batman is supposedly only an Olympic level athlete. I think most of us agree he is above Olympic level.

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe, but I've never seen Peter do anything comparable to what Bats did here:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Out50-p21.jpg

Logan is another peak human/Olympic level guy that has feats that top what he is suppose to be.
Spiderman trumped him + the xmen at once.


stoned

Originally posted by Inhuman
Logan is another peak human/Olympic level guy that has feats that top what he is suppose to be.
Spiderman trumped him + the xmen at once.


stoned Nah Wolverine is slighting super human physically because of the implants and his healing factor.

Batman would still kick his ass...
Also... Steven was handing Spider-Man his ass... I wonder what Bats would do... srug

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Batman would still kick his ass...
Also... Steven was handing Spider-Man his ass... I wonder what Bats would do... srug

Gay joke?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Batman would still kick his ass...
Also... Steven was handing Spider-Man his ass... I wonder what Bats would do... srug I would rather see Karate Kid Chop him in half.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Gay joke? No.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I would rather see Karate Kid Chop him in half. Him too... Batman was doing good against both the KKs...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
No.

Just checking.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
No.

Him too... Batman was doing good against both the KKs... In their last fight Karate Kid was pretty weak and Batman was getting his face knocked off and Spiderman wouldn't know how to defend against Karate Kid, Batman did.

Originally posted by iceman24567
In their last fight Karate Kid was pretty weak and Batman was getting his face knocked off and Spiderman wouldn't know how to defend against Karate Kid, Batman did. Their last fight ended in a stalemated (the good KK).
KK wasn't weak to my knowledge... just memory lost. Plus, Batman was standing up to him... it's not like he did nothing.

Originally posted by iceman24567
In their last fight Karate Kid was pretty weak and Batman was getting his face knocked off and Spiderman wouldn't know how to defend against Karate Kid, Batman did.

That tells you something in and of itself though.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Their last fight ended in a stalemated (the good KK).
KK wasn't weak to my knowledge... just memory lost. Plus, Batman was standing up to him... it's not like he did nothing.

FYI, Batman actually admitted defeat in a Countdown issue

Originally posted by King_Mungi
FYI, Batman actually admitted defeat in a Countdown issue I know.
That's why I said he was standing up to him.

Originally posted by severance
Damn can't reach my utility belt i'm all tied up with stronger than steel webbing. Sh!t where's my head gone knocked off by a ten ton punch

Originally posted by Inhuman
Performance enhancing drugs?
He doesn't need performance enhancing drugs unlike some people.

*cough*Cap*cough*

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe, but I've never seen Peter do anything comparable to what Bats did here:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Out50-p21.jpg

You must have never read a Spiderman comic in your life.

Spider's team, if there is no prep time allowed.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The Olympics have been getting more and more intense.

are you saying that Bats has been doping is he gonna drop dead at 40 like FloJo

Originally posted by Mindset
You must have never read a Spiderman comic in your life.

Lulz. I guarantee I have more Spider-man comics than you do. I've seen all the bullet dodging, all the flips and flops, etc... I get it.

In that scan, Batman literally disappeared right in front of an entire audience of super villains. They were looking head on at him no more than five feet away. Also, Deadshot had him in plain sight and felt confident enough to fire at him multiple times (Deadshot, who pretty much never misses... especially @ point blank range). Barring the unlikely scenario that it was a hologram, that was one of the most impressive feats of speed I've seen anyone preform who isn't a true speedster.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz. I guarantee I have more Spider-man comics than you do. I've seen all the bullet dodging, all the flips and flops, etc... I get it.

In that scan, Batman literally disappeared right in front of an entire audience of super villains. They were looking head on at him no more than five feet away. Also, Deadshot had him in plain sight and felt confident enough to fire at him multiple times (Deadshot, who pretty much never misses... especially @ point blank range). Barring the unlikely scenario that it was a hologram, that was one of the most impressive feats of speed I've seen anyone preform who isn't a true speedster.

I have every Amazing Spiderman comic since its initial run, and many Sensational, probably a lot I forgot about, so yea...

Batman was standing on the ledge, he could have moved before Deadshot even raised his arm to fire.

Originally posted by Mindset
I have every Amazing Spiderman comic since its initial run, and many Sensational, probably a lot I forgot about, so yea...

Batman was standing on the ledge, he could have moved before Deadshot even raised his arm to fire. ... Which would still be faster than all of those super villain's eyes can follow...
Following this of course.

Also, Cap was beating up Spidey.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
... Which would still be faster than all of those super villain's eyes can follow...
Following this of course.

Also, Cap was beating up Spidey.

Spiderman has moved faster than peoples eyes could follow...

Cap beats up the Hulk, what's your point?

Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman has moved faster than peoples eyes could follow...



Psh, almost every comic book hero moves like that. Any hero that can dodge bullets is pretty much faster than you can see.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap beats up the Hulk, what's your point?

Batman beats up Solomon Grundy and Superman, what's your point?

Originally posted by Mindset
I have every Amazing Spiderman comic since its initial run, and many Sensational, probably a lot I forgot about, so yea...

Batman was standing on the ledge, he could have moved before Deadshot even raised his arm to fire.

Being one of the greatest marksman in comics, Deadshot doesn't fire his gun unless he's sure he can hit his target. Batman is just that damn good.

Anyway, not a chance in hell would Spider-man be able to 'speedblitz' Batman.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Batman beats up Solomon Grundy and Superman, what's your point?

1. http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page394yl.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page409be.jpg


2. http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batnh9.jpg

since when has bats been meta human. next you'll tell me he is class 100 strength.

if he is superhuman how did he get his powers cos i missed that part of the back story

Originally posted by severance
since when has bats been meta human. next you'll tell me he is class 100 strength.

if he is superhuman how did he get his powers cos i missed that part of the back story

He doesn't have super powers. However, he's a comic book character. Therefore, comparing him to an Olympic level athlete significantly undersells him.

Jason Todd and Batman beat Captain Nazi, the Hyene and Count vertigo a while back, didn't they? It was pretty impressive.

Bat family wins with or without prep.

Originally posted by batdude123
He doesn't have super powers. However, he's a comic book character. Therefore, comparing him to an Olympic level athlete significantly undersells him.

Olympic level is about as good as you can be without enhancments. Heck most olympians (athlete not gods) are enhanced. To be beyond olympic is to be pretty much superhuman.

To be so fast that spidey couldn't speed blitz you is definitely superhuman

Originally posted by severance
Olympic level is about as good as you can be without enhancments. Heck most olympians (athlete not gods) are enhanced. To be beyond olympic is to be pretty much superhuman.

To be so fast that spidey couldn't speed blitz you is definitely superhuman

You have to have a suspension of disbelief over what a "human" comic character is able to achieve as soon as you flip open the pages.

Heroes live in a world where literally anything is possible. Tying real world logic to these types of characters fails on a variety of different levels.

But it's comic logic that states that Spider-Man is x amount of times faster than humanly possible ... and those humans are comic reality humans.

think if spidey went stealthy he could pure own a couple of the crap ones. then blackcat and spider woman are still stronger and faster than the bats. the only one who would put up a fight is the B-man. on paper spiders win, on kmc forums fanboys win

Originally posted by Scoobless
But it's comic logic that states that Spider-Man is x amount of times faster than humanly possible ... and those humans are comic reality humans.

It's also comic book logic that allows Batman to do things like this:

http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batbh7.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat2db1.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bat3dn4.jpg

Damn, Batman is cool.

Pickpockets and magicians take jewellery off people all the time without them noticing.

Not sure what's in the third scan you posted as it wont load for me.

Apparently Bats has a great hunger....

Originally posted by batdude123
You have to have a suspension of disbelief over what a "human" comic character is able to achieve as soon as you flip open the pages.

Heroes live in a world where literally anything is possible. Tying real world logic to these types of characters fails on a variety of different levels.

agreed you have to suspend disbelief but there is some logic and explanation behind comics. Spidey gains his powers from an irradiated spider and becomes a hundred times more powerful than a human.
bats works out with some weights and he becomes a match for spidey?? eer

Even for comic book logic that is bollox

Originally posted by Scoobless
Pickpockets and magicians take jewellery off people all the time without them noticing.

Not sure what's in the third scan you posted as it wont load for me.

Oh for God's sake...

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page218f.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page229q.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ph0.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batxg3.jpg

This isn't a Batman vs. Spiderman thread. Individually, Spiderman would prevail. Anyways on to business, each team has the potential to win. It can go either way. Spiderman's team has the strength and speed advantage. However, Batman and crew have experience working together and on top of that they have a secret weapon (black canary). It all comes down to go strikes first and if their working as a team.

Originally posted by Aztec123
This isn't a Batman vs. Spiderman thread. Individually, Spiderman would prevail. Anyways on to business, each team has the potential to win. It can go either way. Spiderman's team has the strength and speed advantage. However, Batman and crew have experience working together and on top of that they have a secret weapon (black canary). It all comes down to go strikes first and if their working as a team.

a balanced answer - suddenly the world seems three dimensional eat