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Will she toss him around like a needle in a haystack?

Whatever she gives, Namor's had worse. It goes to he who proclaims "IMPERIUS REX!"

Namor wins.

Oh, but wait, Storm can command the electromagnetic spectrum and harness the power of Sun EASILY, without no effort. And there is jovian pressure field that is...something. And then she can apparently do this all, WHILE dodging the debris Namor throws at her with speeds that exeed 3000 mph with her eyes closed because she can now sense everything around her. She can also make tornadoes in the same time. Oh yeah, and she can close his heart if she is in the mood.

So, if we go by that description, Storm wins.

Lol, I can't even keep track of storms powers anymore, she's like superman, gets a new ability every thread.

By the way, Namor can absorb energy and launch it back to his enemies. Maybe this could be used against Storm?

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7463/namorabsorb2mp.gif

I have heard of Namor absorbing lightning before. If this is true then he will monkey stomp Storm.

He is too strong, durable and plus he can fly also.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9973/namorabsorb24ga.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
By the way, Namor can absorb energy and launch it back to his enemies. Maybe this could be used against Storm?

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7463/namorabsorb2mp.gif

Wouldn't lighting be like a natural enemy for Namor though?

No, he acts like electric eel.

darkcrawler, this is going to sound very stupid, i know about namor but the thing I always forget is.....he only flies by his ankle wings right?

People are not sure.

Originally posted by stormfront13
darkcrawler, this is going to sound very stupid, i know about namor but the thing I always forget is.....he only flies by his ankle wings right? Yea he does.

Its kinda gay if you ask me.

k, because I was thinking about the fight and it could go either way, but namor will more than likely win. but anyway I was just thinking that she could flash-freeze his wings because she had done it to angel before. but I hate to admit this..........namor will likely win because he has a wide variety of abilities and has more experience . but storm does have a chance and could beat him

Storm is faster, though. She has great chance. I think that the fight goes 5/10 for both.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Storm is faster, though. She has great chance. I think that the fight goes 5/10 for both.

What do you think she'll use to hurt him ?

yeah, she has a better chance than others do

Originally posted by Nataku8188
What do you think she'll use to hurt him ?

If it is true that she can harness the sun's power...

Of course, I don't know will that affect Namor.

well i don't care if nataku thinks this is stupid, but storm reflects the glassine fragments in the clouds off the sun to hurl lasers from the skies.

darkcrawler, if it's at all possible can you describe all of namors powers?

Class 100 strength

Flight

Ability to absorb and discharge energy

Massive durability

Able to communicate with sea-life also.

Oh, yeah, that too.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4408/namoryoung6xk.gif

He was quite different when he was young...

Namor wins as stated before my reply, for various reasons, and Storm is nowhere faster than him, yes she can fly very fast, but she has human reaction time and reflexes, not even peak human or enhanced human.

Yeah. Namor could just throw something at her with his superior speed and Class 100 strenght. It would fly with unimaginable speeds...

Namor flies too, so storm loses that advantage....

Let's see...baseball throwing speed record is about 100 mph...average baseball player can lift about 250 lbs? Namor can lift 100 tons. Let's assume he finds small rock, throws it at Storm...I think it will go at least 10000 mph. No one with human reaction time can dodge that. And let's say that Storm dodges that one rock. Namor grabs dozen rocks from the ground...throws them all. SPLURT!

That is one way for Namor to win.

wrong k3vil, storm has reaction time on par with wolverine as said by wolverine himself a long time ago, so it's at least peak human.

Originally posted by stormfront13
wrong k3vil, storm has reaction time on par with wolverine as said by wolverine himself a long time ago, so it's at least peak human.
Yes, next whe'll discover she has an uru hammer in her closet and also heat vision.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Let's see...baseball throwing speed record is about 100 mph...average baseball player can lift about 250 lbs? Namor can lift 100 tons. Let's assume he finds small rock, throws it at Storm...I think it will go at least 10000 mph.
You know throwing speed isn't completely based on strength, right?

Storm has heat vision

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You know throwing speed isn't completely based on strength, right?

It helps, doesn't it?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It helps, doesn't it?
To a point.

The stronger a muscle, the faster it moves.

Namor is a lightweight and skilled also, so I'm sure if he does shit underwater, he can do it in the air too.

I don't know what going to the bathroom underwater has to do with anything. However if Storm trapped him in a tornado and surrounded it with a hurricane I think Namor would be in trouble.

Storm.

Originally posted by Wonderman
I don't know what going to the bathroom underwater has to do with anything. However if Storm trapped him in a tornado and surrounded it with a hurricane I think Namor would be in trouble. i dont think she would get the chance to do that

*****i dont think she would get the chance to do that*****

she did it to phoenix(jean grey using the code-name) instantley and jean was so suprised that she couldn't focus her powers to attack storm. then there was the time during the dark phoenix saga where she instantley created a tornado around dark phoenix and the attack was so strong it blew phoenix away and she put her hands over face for cover. also the time where a member of gene-nation had a gun to her head, storm created a tornado to blow him away. there are literally tons of times, but these are off the top of my head. also storm, has the speed advantage here. also storm could flash-freeze namors wings grounding him, then lift him in the air and he would be at her mercy.

someone answer me this....what happens when a fish gets hit by lightning?








































and a tsumani, and tornados, and freezing whirlwinds, and ummm MORE LIGHTNING?

How deep into the ocean can Storm drill to catch a fish.
If the reigning prince is in trouble he'll have to flee there.
Can she still nab him 20 leagues under the sea?

jinzin lightning won't work, he will just absorb it. and if he runs to the sea wouldn't that be considered retreating?

Originally posted by jinzin
someone answer me this....what happens when a fish gets hit by lightning?








































and a tsumani, and tornados, and freezing whirlwinds, and ummm MORE LIGHTNING? he can absorb electricity

can't see just make a hurracane and a (what the hell are those water torado looking things called?) but yeah I'd venture to say she owns him either way..


he can't really claim a win if he's stuck in hiding anyways..

Originally posted by black robb
he can absorb electricity

oh damn. i forgot about that....my bad.....


still though she's got a lot to fall back on.

Originally posted by jinzin
someone answer me this....what happens when a fish gets hit by lightning? and a tsumani, and tornados, and freezing whirlwinds, and ummm MORE LIGHTNING?

Well, when this 'fish' can absorb lightning, is strengthened by water, survives at the bottom of the ocean in the antarctic.... none of those things seem really that dangerous.

and a water funnel tornado thing won't work either, it is water after all. but yeah a tornado should do some damage. and I agree, if he has to go away and run into the ocean than it should be a win for storm seeing as he is kinda running away.

Lol...someone has a lot of brushing up on Storm to do if you think that's what she's limited to

Originally posted by Never
Lol...someone has a lot of brushing up on Storm to do if you think that's what she's limited to

You talking to me ?

probably me...

idk, if she freezes his ankle wings, then puts him in a tornado, he will be getting badly damaged as well as not being able to breath, so..........she could definitley beat him.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
You talking to me ?

Anyone who thinks she's limited to external lightning and tornadoes. Storm about a year and a half ago was capable of soooooooooooooo much more than that, hence my just laughing at choosing Namor as the victor based on mere tornadoes.

ahhhhh so it wasn't me then..that's surprising...

Originally posted by Never
Anyone who thinks she's limited to external lightning and tornadoes. Storm about a year and a half ago was capable of soooooooooooooo much more than that, hence my just laughing at choosing Namor as the victor based on mere tornadoes.

Did I say Namor would win? I was looking at what Jinzin had said. Don't put words in my mouth.

yeah i have to admittedly say this misunderstanding is indirectly my fault....my bad guys...

Originally posted by jinzin
someone answer me this....what happens when a fish gets hit by lightning?

and a tsumani, and tornados, and freezing whirlwinds, and ummm MORE LIGHTNING?

Well the lightning part was already answered but as far as freezing whirlwinds im sure they arent as cold as the ocean depths or cold of space.

Secondly a tornado wouild have hardly any affect on him. The Defenders were trapped inside a maelstrom that was sucking them into a hole and they were rendered helpless. Namor was able to swim up it and grab Surfers board and help free them.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Did I say Namor would win? I was looking at what Jinzin had said. Don't put words in my mouth.

ROFL

Reading is fundamental, my friend -- but I'll highlight it again for you:



Where in there does it say "Nataku8188?" I thought not sir.

Jrod, all I am saying is that she has quite a few more tricks up her sleeve than you all are listing.

Quite a few more.

Enough to take Namor down.

when you said swin up, does that mean they were in water? and if so it doesn't mean anything because he won't be in water this time.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well the lightning part was already answered but as far as freezing whirlwinds im sure they arent as cold as the ocean depths or cold of space.

Secondly a tornado wouild have hardly any affect on him. The Defenders were trapped inside a maelstrom that was sucking them into a hole and they were rendered helpless. Namor was able to swim up it and grab Surfers board and help free them.


Originally posted by stormfront13
when you said swin up, does that mean they were in water? and if so it doesn't mean anything because he won't be in water this time.

why did you quote me?

Originally posted by stormfront13
when you said swin up, does that mean they were in water? and if so it doesn't mean anything because he won't be in water this time.

Naw they werent in water. Strange was moving them to another dimension.

well you made the exact same point I was about to so I felt no need to reiderate..lol

then how excatley did he SWIM up?

if by swim up you meant he used his wings, well storm can flash-freeze his ankle wings, as well as the rest of his body. she froze omega red in a statue of ice in seconds, she could easily do the same to namor

Originally posted by stormfront13
then how excatley did he SWIM up?

It was so thick and starting to become solid. It was swirling and sucking the team down into the hole.

The reason the word "swim" was used because it was the counter force such as a waterfall or whirlpool which Namor is adept to.

I would post scans, but I have it in Essential Defenders and its not in color. Im not sure if anyone wants to see it.

Originally posted by stormfront13
if by swim up you meant he used his wings, well storm can flash-freeze his ankle wings, as well as the rest of his body. she froze omega red in a statue of ice in seconds, she could easily do the same to namor

No like swimming. It was like he was swimming in water. Though it wasnt water.

Ankle wings used only for flight.

and also storm and whoever created this tornado are different and both could have different affects, though I would like to see the scans

Originally posted by stormfront13
and also storm and whoever created this tornado are different and both could have different affects, though I would like to see the scans

It wasnt a person who created the maelstrom. It was a dimensional maelstrom. Hope the scans are legible.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5044/namoragainstmaelstrom11zz.th.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6097/namoragainstmaelstrom22bq.th.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3088/namoragainstmaelstrom39ek.th.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9770/namoragainstmaelstrom44vp.th.jpg

I don't think he could flash freeze Namor...he survives in pretty damn cold places.

Originally posted by jrodslam
No like swimming. It was like he was swimming in water. Though it wasnt water.

Ankle wings used only for flight.

Well the medium he was moving through in that dimensional maelstrom was thick enough to be akin to water so that is a poor comparison to how Namor would fare in a huuricane which is directed solely at him. Big difference.

Namor needs to breathe Storm can restrict him in a hurricane and thin the air dramatically while increasing the ambient temperature around him this would dehydrate him and thus weaken him potentially. The cold temperatures Namor experiences in the ocean depths are nothing to what Storm can generate. Wrapped in polymer restraints and with enemies fast approaching Storm flash freezed her restraints but her panic caused her to put more effort into it than was required because she not only froze and made brittle her restraints, but also the concrete balcony below her which fell through. Storm could very well freeze his wings temporarily grounding him, or she could do it to reduce the possibility of him escaping one of her hurricanes. Namors wings have been held before which prevented him from flying so this is a valid option for Storm.

Namor is durable but not to the extent of colossus for example. A repeated pounding and slamming into the ground via hurricane winds would hurt him a lot and eventually render him unconscious.

As StormFront said, Storm isnt limited to lightning, she also has recently added to her arsenal "sun lasers" lol which could very well do some damage.

Storm has fought alongside Namor before in crossover s, she has knowledge of Namor she knows of both his temperament and his powers. She would try to take him out quickly and efficiently knowing she isnt durable enough to withstand his attacks.

I thought you died GS...

I did but i was reborn like the proverbial phoenix!!!!!

I was reborn yesterday, I got my 10000+ post count, and I came back with NO mercy.

But Namor COULD throw handful of rocks at Storm...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well the medium he was moving through in that dimensional maelstrom was thick enough to be akin to water so that is a poor comparison to how Namor would fare in a huuricane which is directed solely at him. Big difference.


The same hurricane did restrict Surfer and Hulk. I don't think Storm could create anything like that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But Namor COULD throw handful of rocks at Storm...

He COULD throw a handful of rocks at Storm, just like she COULD block them with a jovian pressure field. However the proud warrior that Namor is isnt going to resort to throwing rocks at Storm as a first resort. That would be like admitting she is too much for him to tackle head on. A mere woman lol.

Come on from all you have read on Namor and i myself have read quite a bit can you really see the battle starting with him throwing rocks? Exactly. His pride and arrogance is his downfall. He would give Storm the seconds she needs to generate an overwhelming hurricane.

thats a good point...

I don't know...if they start from few feet away from each other, Namor may have time to get to Storm before she can do anything. He isn't slowpoke, he flew through the Manhattan to Statue of Liberty in few seconds...

Originally posted by jinzin
someone answer me this....what happens when a fish gets hit by lightning?








































and a tsumani, and tornados, and freezing whirlwinds, and ummm MORE LIGHTNING?
Namor absorb lightning

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The same hurricane did restrict Surfer and Hulk. I don't think Storm could create anything like that.

Thats not the point im making DC. The medium was so thick that Namor had to swim through it in a fashion. Air isnt nearly so thick, Namor wouldnt be able to "swim through it like that there would be no substance of sorts for him to make his way through. Thast why i said it was a poor comparison. On top of that this hurricane completely under storms psionic command will be solely focused on Namor, adapting to Namors movements as opposed to the dimensional maelstrom which was just operating in and around his vicinity.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I don't know...if they start from few feet away from each other, Namor may have time to get to Storm before she can do anything. He isn't slowpoke, he flew through the Manhattan to Statue of Liberty in few seconds...

She's still way faster than him and she knows she needs to keep him at bay. He's completely outclassed in the speed stakes

Ok.

But I seriously don't know where the 60 mph flight speed comes. Namor EASILY matched fighter planes, even as young kid. Most fighter planes of WWII, even the slowest ones went at least 300 mph.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ok.

But I seriously don't know where the 60 mph flight speed comes. Namor EASILY matched fighter planes, even as young kid. Most fighter planes of WWII, even the slowest ones went at least 300 mph.

And bone claw wolverine has sliced up Thanos before lol.

Storm without effort flies at the top speed winds naturally occur at which is around 300mph however she has before warped weather patterns to increase this speed dramatically to mach speeds. She is still faster and Namor is outclassed in the air. She would turn the skies against him and a flash freeze to his ankle wings would at least greatly inhibit his flight or render him temporarily flightless all together

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And bone claw wolverine has sliced up Thanos before lol.


Yeah, but Namor has flew with fighter planes since his first appearence. It's not something that only happens one time.

He has also speedblizted Hulk multiple times.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And bone claw wolverine has sliced up Thanos before lol.Have you ever heard of crap writing?Wolverine has killed Lobo, another major crap writing proof of how pushover he is.

My only concern would be storms defense, a sufficiently placed hit would put her down.

Durability is one of the most important parts of a fight, unless she was intangible.

Yea, in this fight, Storm would go down hard.

I give it to Namor 7/10 times. Just in case Storm gets lucky with something. I say something, cuz it really doesn't even matter, what with her GIANT arsenal in which she can use to attack.

Are we assuming that she even knows namor??

Namor is also fast enough to dodge sonic waves...which most likely go with speed of sound.

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/6395/namorfeat33jl.gif

He referrs to himself in the third person,lol.

So he goes Mach1 then?

He always does, . Superiority complex.

Yeah, or at least he can move fast enough to dodge Mach 1 things...

These fanboys would tear C-Master and DarkCrawler asounder, if it weren't for our persistence and no mercy.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
These fanboys would tear C-Master and DarkCrawler asounder, if it weren't for our persistence and no mercy.

You better not be referring to me?!! lol

Lets humour you and say Namor could fly as fast as Storm. He's still no match for her in the air. That is her element. She would just turn the skies against him. Knowing Namor he would attack Storm head on to take her out quickly and that would be his undoing.

In the sky he is simply outclassed. Hurricane winds to scoop him up and smash him all over the place would suffice in themselves. Or Storm could flash freeze Namors wings to inhibit his flight, contain him within a vortex of hurricane winds while thinning out the air around him and raising the ambieent temperature around Namor. Storm has employed such tactics before. This would dehydrate and therefore weaken Namor. Sun lasers at this point would dfinitely make their mark or to finish him off slam him around a bit into the scenery.

If he could fly as fast as Storm (which I believe he can), he would hit her before he would have chance to do any of those things you said. Namor is as good flier as Storm, probably lot better with his hundred years of experience. He knows how to fly in different climates, natural disasters and other places. I don't think with the speed he is moving Storm would have chance to hit him. Storm has peak human reflexes because of his training with the X-Men. Namor has superhuman reflexes, good enough to dodge bullets from close. Namor reacts faster then she does.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You better not be referring to me?!! lol

Lets humour you and say Namor could fly as fast as Storm. He's still no match for her in the air. That is her element. She would just turn the skies against him. Knowing Namor he would attack Storm head on to take her out quickly and that would be his undoing.

In the sky he is simply outclassed. Hurricane winds to scoop him up and smash him all over the place would suffice in themselves. Or Storm could flash freeze Namors wings to inhibit his flight, contain him within a vortex of hurricane winds while thinning out the air around him and raising the ambieent temperature around Namor. Storm has employed such tactics before. This would dehydrate and therefore weaken Namor. Sun lasers at this point would dfinitely make their mark or to finish him off slam him around a bit into the scenery.

I agree for the most part, that was a joke.

My problem here though is, when I remembered the colossus vs storm thread, HE had a small chance of winning.

Namor is more versatile and can gain air.

I'm not saying he's going to take her head on, he needs not. A good hit from namor renders storm ko'ed.

There isn't much she can do in terms of reaction time, especially if he tricks her during an attack.

Storm DOES do her weather consciously, meaning she can't just do them effortlessly, she'd wear down eventually.

Durability being the most important part of the match, and namor having the HIGH differeince there,,, storm can't cast her spells INSTANTLY, not the whirlwinds, they would have to generate first.

One of her best bets is conjuring a field, now if namor can go underwater, or hid, he has a SLIM chance of escaping, but in the water he gets stronger.

Which is why I find him a formidable foe for her.

Hmm? Namor is immune to lightning.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hmm? Namor is immune to lightning.

Pardon that, I also put whirlwinds regenerating.

I was talking about that field, ignore that part of the post man.

I edited the post, my bad.

Ok.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Namor has no chance against Storm in the sky. His best chance would be to throw projectiles at her continuosly until she is taken out, however we know Namor just wouldnt do that because of his arrogance.

It takes Storm seconds to generate a hurricane so namor being of comparable speed really isnt good enough. What is all of this talk about reaction time. If storm was engaging Namor h2h then that would factor in but i think you boys have confused yourselves. Storms powers are controlled and executed psionically. Her powers are all directed and focused by her mentally so her reaction time doesnt really come into it. Namor would fly at her Storm would fly away from him, seconds later he would be engulfed in a hurricane initiated by Storms mental command. Then the various methods she can use to take him out are mentioned above.


CM what is all of this talk of spells? It is a mutant power it has nothing to do with magic it is the psionic manipulation of energy patterns. Her generation of lightning and sun lasers is virtually instantaneous, whereas hurricanes manifest in second or so.

Namors is more durable but Storms arsenal is capable of bypassing that durability. Namors arrogance will also make him engage Storm head on which will be his downfall

Dude I agree for the most part, I was saying he had a better chance than colossus, because he isn't limited to ground.

Sorry when I say spells, that was a somewhat dumb post.

How about "weather manipulation". Does that sound better?

Why can't namor learn to fight far off? Why couldn't he learn that up close is no safe bet after a try, namor isn't stupid.

Still a good hit would be storms downfall nonetheless, overall I'm not sure who wins yet, keep in mind. tie for now...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Dude I agree for the most part, I was saying he had a better chance than colossus, because he isn't limited to ground.

Sorry when I say spells, that was a somewhat dumb post.

How about "weather manipulation". Does that sound better?

Why can't namor learn to fight far off? Why couldn't he learn that up close is no safe bet after a try, namor isn't stupid.

Still a good hit would be storms downfall nonetheless, overall I'm not sure who wins yet, keep in mind.


Knowing Storm she would take namor out as quickly as possible knowing how much he could harm her if given enough time. She would go all out and would be relentless. Namors arrogance would stop him from doing something such as throwing rocks from afar. What you're forgetting CM is the range of Storms power. Even if he did fly far away he would still be within the effective range of her power. She could still attack him very effectively from a long distance. That is the very reason why people like her and Magneto are given a 5 on the marvel energy projection ratings.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Knowing Storm she would take namor out as quickly as possible knowing how much he could harm her if given enough time. She would go all out and would be relentless. Namors arrogance would stop him from doing something such as throwing rocks from afar. What you're forgetting CM is the range of Storms power. Even if he did fly far away he would still be within the effective range of her power. She could still attack him very effectively from a long distance. That is the very reason why people like her and Magneto are given a 5 on the marvel energy projection ratings.

Perhaps, I"m all ears, and I dont disagree at all with her power.

Thats the problem its her power. Its her power driven to win these fights, if she's nailed she's dead.

Tell me whats her best bet?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Perhaps, I"m all ears, and I dont disagree at all with her power.

Thats the problem its her power. Its her power driven to win these fights, if she's nailed she's dead.

Tell me whats her best bet?

Her best bet is to be ruthless and take him out as quick as possible and from a distance. Namors is no match for her in the sky that is completely her domain. Soon as he's airborne winds will bring him under control. Her best bet is to put some distence between them, inhibit his flight by disabling his wings via a flash freeze and then she should proceed to batter the life out of him via her winds.

I guess freezing the wings would work, but I don't know about winds, I think he could handle that.

Thanks, I can see what you're saying now.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Namor has no chance against Storm in the sky. His best chance would be to throw projectiles at her continuosly until she is taken out, however we know Namor just wouldnt do that because of his arrogance.

It takes Storm seconds to generate a hurricane so namor being of comparable speed really isnt good enough. What is all of this talk about reaction time. If storm was engaging Namor h2h then that would factor in but i think you boys have confused yourselves. Storms powers are controlled and executed psionically. Her powers are all directed and focused by her mentally so her reaction time doesnt really come into it. Namor would fly at her Storm would fly away from him, seconds later he would be engulfed in a hurricane initiated by Storms mental command. Then the various methods she can use to take him out are mentioned above.


CM what is all of this talk of spells? It is a mutant power it has nothing to do with magic it is the psionic manipulation of energy patterns. Her generation of lightning and sun lasers is virtually instantaneous, whereas hurricanes manifest in second or so.

Namors is more durable but Storms arsenal is capable of bypassing that durability. Namors arrogance will also make him engage Storm head on which will be his downfall


If Namor is fast enough to keep up with fighter planes...

Do you know how fast the German planes went on WWII? Fastest of them went 400-500 miles per hour. Namor was able to fly and put one down with ease when he was about 10-14 years old. I have the issue right here. Now, imagine what speeds he is able to go as an adult. Namor does tricks such as flying after plane, grabbing it, then hitting another plane with the other one, all the time. He needs to be pretty goddamn fast to be able to catch the plane, then hit another as it comes towards him with full speed.

As Namor can react LOT faster then Storm, he will get to her before she can do anything, unless they start very far away. Namor may be arrogant, but you seem to think that he is stupid. He is more intelligent then Storm is. Maybe in his youth, he attacked even the strongest of opponents without no remorse, but nowadays, after 100 years of fighting, I think he knows when to attack and what speed to use. Especially when he has met Storm before.

Let me explain it through this picture:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/620/stormvsnamor2lv.gif

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/620/stormvsnamor2lv.gif


hysterical hysterical hysterical

Man I love those, do a spiderman/wolverine one.

Maybe I do...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If Namor is fast enough to keep up with fighter planes...

Do you know how fast the German planes went on WWII? Fastest of them went 400-500 miles per hour. Namor was able to fly and put one down with ease when he was about 10-14 years old. I have the issue right here. Now, imagine what speeds he is able to go as an adult. Namor does tricks such as flying after plane, grabbing it, then hitting another plane with the other one, all the time. He needs to be pretty goddamn fast to be able to catch the plane, then hit another as it comes towards him with full speed.

As Namor can react LOT faster then Storm, he will get to her before she can do anything, unless they start very far away. Namor may be arrogant, but you seem to think that he is stupid. He is more intelligent then Storm is. Maybe in his youth, he attacked even the strongest of opponents without no remorse, but nowadays, after 100 years of fighting, I think he knows when to attack and what speed to use. Especially when he has met Storm before.

Let me explain it through this picture:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/620/stormvsnamor2lv.gif

Yeah right. LMAO @ "he will get to her before she can do anything.

I guess Storm is a damn novice who never fought anyone before, right? You know, one-time leader of the X-Men who has NEVER fought anyone with powers of flight before, right?

You know, Storm? Who kicked Callisto's ass with her bare hands? The one who stabbed Marrow through one of her hearts after Marrow stabbed Wolverine through the throat?

Storm has ZERO fighting skills; she just floats in the air and looks pretty. Let you all tell it anyway.

Hulk can jump and overtake an ICBM in flight so he can theoretically jump at Wolverine before he can react right? What garbage.

Theorycraft at its best.

Namor is quite fast. You can't deny it. Or how he could catch those planes if he could only fly 60 mph? It's not theory. I think it is fact that the can fly as fast as WWII fighters. And you obviously didn't read the post where I showed picture of Namor dodging sonic attacks. Let me find one where he dodges bullets.

Who cares how fast he flies? Hulk jumps way faster than Namor can fly -- so Hulk can just JUMP at Wolverine before Wolverine can react, right? Using the very same logic you use.

Like Storm will just sit there.

"Smack me like the pimp you are, Namor."

Originally posted by Never
Who cares how fast he flies? Hulk jumps way faster than Namor can fly -- so Hulk can just JUMP at Wolverine before Wolverine can react, right? Using the very same logic you use.

Like Storm will just sit there.

"Smack me like the pimp you are, Namor."

Uh...I'm not really sure what you are meaning. If Namor is fast enough to cross the distance in second and he can react faster then Storm, why wouldn't he do it? Or are you saying that Namor will just stand there and let Storm hit him with everything that Claremont's crazy mind has ever created?

Originally posted by Never
Who cares how fast he flies? Hulk jumps way faster than Namor can fly -- so Hulk can just JUMP at Wolverine before Wolverine can react, right? Using the very same logic you use.

Like Storm will just sit there.

"Smack me like the pimp you are, Namor."

And didn't I just say that he was fast enough to dodge an Mach 1 attack?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Uh...I'm not really sure what you are meaning. If Namor is fast enough to cross the distance in second and he can react faster then Storm, why wouldn't he do it? Or are you saying that Namor will just stand there and let Storm hit him with everything that Claremont's crazy mind has ever created?

And, once again, you speak as if Storm has NEVER battled an opponent who flies (and since when did Atlanteans have increased reflexes) before.

She has. Countless times. Pound for pound Storm is the better fighter. Strip Namor of his strength (make him human, in other words) and she beats his ass.

Point being, again, like she'll just float in the sky? And he flies fast. You are assuming that he instantly attains his top velocity, right? Namor is not Flash, never has been. He has to accelerate like any other with the power flight.

No, he cannot get there before she can react.

I can dodge a mach 1 attack if I know it is coming. Can he dodge it at point blank range? No. Is he faster than a lightning strike? No. And since when was his being able to dodge a "Mach 1 attack" canon? Never.

As a matter of fact, let's call you out on your random World War 2 fighter plane comment. No World War 2 fighter planes did between 500-600 miles per hour. Air Force F-15E Fighting Eagles in the 90's did a little over more than 900mph.

WWII fighter planes MOSTLY did below 400mph, and one or two I'm willing to bet touched 450.

Mach 1, by the way, is the speed of sound (760 mph).

Originally posted by Never
And, once again, you speak as if Storm has NEVER battled an opponent who flies (and since when did Atlanteans have increased reflexes) before.

She has. Countless times. Pound for pound Storm is the better fighter. Strip Namor of his strength (make him human, in other words) and she beats his ass.

Point being, again, like she'll just float in the sky? And he flies fast. You are assuming that he instantly attains his top velocity, right? Namor is not Flash, never has been. He has to accelerate like any other with the power flight.

No, he cannot get there before she can react.

I can dodge a mach 1 attack if I know it is coming. Can he dodge it at point blank range? No. Is he faster than a lightning strike? No.

Normal Atlanteas don't have increased reflexes. Namor has. Unless you don't know it, Namor isn't normal Atlantean. The Mach 1 attack was coming from few feet away. Namor has dodged bullets from few feet away. He has better reflexes then Storm does. Namor is also prince of warrior race. He has had the best training that the Atlantis has. Compare that with his 100 years of experience. Namor is better fighter. You say that Namor can't also attain his top speed very fast. Well, he can do it faster then Storm can, Storm has to call the winds to lift her. He can go in flight faster then Storm can. I never said that Namor will drop her out from sky. He will drop her before she can go in flight, or when she has lifted himself in air, Namor has enough speed to drop her from there.

Show me instances of "increased reflexes." Crap on him dodging bullets; Spiderman is barely able to do that. Namor = Spiderman in reflexes? Not on your life (unless you are referencing a CURRENT Namor who must have been upgraded considerably. Old Class 85 Namor damn sure couldn't).

I'm willing to bet Namor's not a better fighter than Storm is pound for pound.

You don't know what Namor's top speed is and Storm has faced faster opponents (um, ever heard of Northstar? Aurora?) with the power of flight so why are you assuming that he'll be able to reach her before she can react? He can't. He does not instantly reach top speed.

Storm does not have to fly to fight.

So I'm assuming this match takes place on the ground?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
So I'm assuming this match takes place on the ground?

Probably have to ask the original poster. I'm just saying she's comfortable in air as well as on the ground.

Originally posted by Never
Show me instances of "increased reflexes." Crap on him dodging bullets; Spiderman is barely able to do that. Namor = Spiderman in reflexes? Not on your life (unless you are referencing a CURRENT Namor who must have been upgraded considerably. Old Class 85 Namor damn sure couldn't).

I'm willing to bet Namor's not a better fighter than Storm is pound for pound.

You don't know what Namor's top speed is and Storm has faced faster opponents (um, ever heard of Northstar? Aurora?) with the power of flight so why are you assuming that he'll be able to reach her before she can react? He can't. He does not instantly reach top speed.

Storm does not have to fly to fight.

Increased reflexes:

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/6395/namorfeat33jl.gif

Namor surely is lot more better fighter then Storm. Storm started training with Wolverine when she was...30. Now shes...40. Her previous career was thief. She might have been okay, but Namor started training when he learnt to walk. He got the best training Atlantis has. Experts of every area. Now he is 100 years old. He wins in experience and skill.

And you can tell me the issue number where Storm fights Aurora and Northstar...and is she faster then they are? No. Can she react faster then Namor can? No. Is Namor fast enough to catch her? Yes.

I really don't know why we are debating here.

Originally posted by Never
Show me instances of "increased reflexes." Crap on him dodging bullets; Spiderman is barely able to do that. Namor = Spiderman in reflexes? Not on your life (unless you are referencing a CURRENT Namor who must have been upgraded considerably. Old Class 85 Namor damn sure couldn't).

I'm willing to bet Namor's not a better fighter than Storm is pound for pound.

You don't know what Namor's top speed is and Storm has faced faster opponents (um, ever heard of Northstar? Aurora?) with the power of flight so why are you assuming that he'll be able to reach her before she can react? He can't. He does not instantly reach top speed.

Storm does not have to fly to fight.

Namor is faster than Spiderman for one. When Namor fought Mimic, he punched him so fast that he "barely saw the punch coming." Mind you Mimic has Northstars speed.

Namor was always able to dodge bullets and even high tech tank laser blasts. Even "Old Class 85" Namor.

Is storm A better h2h fighter than Cap? Namor bested him in h2h. Even had an advantage over Wolverine in their first encounter, although the fight was interrupted.

Sorry, enhanced speed is not the same as enhanced reflexes.

Uncanny first met Alpha Flight in Uncanny #121. Do you have the issue?

Namor's training as a warrior is not the issue. I said that I'm willing to bet that, if stripped of his Atlantean attributes, Storm beats his ass. Did you read that? As a HUMAN. Is Cap HUMAN? He has super soldier serum. Was Namor HUMAN when he fought Cap?

I said that I'm willing to bet Storm trumps him IF HE WAS SIMPLY HUMAN. NO Atlantean attributes (hello SPEED, hello STRENGTH).

Who cares if she cannot FLY FASTER than Aurora or Northstar? Is she RACING them? No. Point is that as an X-Man she has faced COUNTLESS individuals with the ability to fly who are faster than Namor.

Is Namor faster than lightning? No, not even close. Is he faster than the speed of thought? No, not even close. So do tell how he'll be able to reach her before she can "react?"

He cannot reach her before she can react unless they are standing 5 paces from her.

Sorry, Namor punching someone "so fast that they did not see the punch coming" in no way proves that he is quicker than Spiderman. Northstar is limited (at least WAS) to roughly the speed of sound.

SPEED is not the same thing as REFLEXES.

Show me where he dodges bullets via reflexes at close range. Never saw it.

One instance of Namor beating on Cap. While talking on the same time...

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4850/namorfeat86it.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
One instance of Namor beating on Cap. While talking on the same time...

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4850/namorfeat86it.gif

Black Panther's ancestor stomped Cap. What does that prove? That Black Panther's ancestor is quicker than Spiderman?

I'm not certain what you're showing with the picture...other than Namor beating on Cap.

Originally posted by Never
Sorry, enhanced speed is not the same as enhanced reflexes.

Uncanny first met Alpha Flight in Uncanny #121. Do you have the issue?

Namor's training as a warrior is not the issue. I said that I'm willing to bet that, if stripped of his Atlantean attributes, Storm beats his ass. Did you read that? As a HUMAN. Is Cap HUMAN? He has super soldier serum.

Who cares if she cannot FLY FASTER than Aurora or Northstar? Is she RACING them? No. Point is that as an X-Man she has faced COUNTLESS individuals with the ability to fly who are faster than Namor.

Is Namor faster than lightning? No, not even close. Is he faster than the speed of thought? No, not even close. So do tell how he'll be able to reach her before she can "react?"

He cannot reach her before she can react unless they are standing 5 paces from her.

Sorry, Namor punching someone "so fast that they did not see the punch coming" in no way proves that he is quicker than Spiderman. Northstar is limited (at least WAS) limited to roughly the speed of sound.

SPEED is not the same thing as REFLEXES.

Show me where he dodges bullets via reflexes at close range. Never saw it.

So...wait, you say dodging sonic attack from nearly point blank range is not good reflexes? Damn, if that isn't then I don't know what is...

Namor is able to react faster then normal humans. So he can fly towards Storm faster then she can react. You seem to think that opponent must be faster then lightning or thought to be able to catch Storm...last I checked, Storm was as fast as normal human...with normal human reactions...not as fast as lightning.

And that time on Exiles fight, if he can hit someone who can go SPEED OF SOUND (Actually, Mimic by that time was able to go faster then that, he broke sound barrier multiple times) so fast that he barely can see it, isn't fast?

By your logic, Flash wouldn't be able to dodge bullets, since SPEED is not same then REFLEXES. I think that Flash is able to dodge bullets.

If Namor would be stripped from his superhuman powers, he would still have his skills and experience in fighting. Storm would get his ass beat down.

Originally posted by Never
Black Panther's ancestor stomped Cap. What does that prove? That Black Panther's ancestor is quicker than Spiderman?

I'm not certain what you're showing with the picture...other than Namor beating on Cap.

It show's that Namor has exeptional fighting skills...

Oh yeah, I have the issue with Storm, Aurora and Northstar right here...

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7132/stormvsspeed9nr.gif

Pretty goddamn impressive. Now I see what you are meaning...Storm...getting knocked out by Northstar who was limited to speed of sound. What happened to "she can't be suprised" thing?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...wait, you say dodging sonic attack from nearly point blank range is not good reflexes? Damn, if that isn't then I don't know what is...

Namor is able to react faster then normal humans. So he can fly towards Storm faster then she can react. You seem to think that opponent must be faster then lightning or thought to be able to catch Storm...last I checked, Storm was as fast as normal human...with normal human reactions...not as fast as lightning.

And that time on Exiles fight, if he can hit someone who can go SPEED OF SOUND (Actually, Mimic by that time was able to go faster then that, he broke sound barrier multiple times) so fast that he barely can see it, isn't fast?

By your logic, Flash wouldn't be able to dodge bullets, since SPEED is not same then REFLEXES. I think that Flash is able to dodge bullets.

If Namor would be stripped from his superhuman powers, he would still have his skills and experience in fighting. Storm would get his ass beat down.

1. That was not even close to "point blank range." The gun/individual who shot it was not even in the picture. "Point blank range" is MY GUN to YOUR CHEST, TOUCHING or close to touching.

THAT'S point blank range.

No, Namor cannot fly at Storm faster than she can react. You're WRONG. Does she have to recite an incantation to summon wind? NO. She THINKS, it HAPPENS. You are trying to say that he can FLY at her before she can even form a THOUGHT.

You're WRONG. That's FLASH type speed which Namor is not even close to.

Perhaps I am not being clear (since it says you're from Finland). You say Namor, when IN THE AIR, can chase down a WW2 airplane. That's fine. He is already moving then.

He has to ACCELERATE. He does not take one step and instantly fly at 450 mph. If I'm not mistaken, for something to be a BLUR to another it has to be ~the speed of sound. For fear of applying real world laws of physics, how many people consistently move at a blur? Flash. Wonder Woman can. Superman can. Quicksilver, Impulse.

Not. Namor. He is NOT fast enough to simply bonk her unless they are EXTREMELY close. You are simply misinterpreting his ability to keep up with that fighter plane.

Speed is not the same thing as reflexes. Why can a cat follow a fly with its eyes but humans have a difficult time doing so? Is that SPEED or REFLEXES? Do all boxers with super hand speed have super reflexes? No.

You can be fast without having enhanced reflexes (and that PICTURE said SPEED, not REFLEXES). There's a huge difference. Hmmm...if you were able to run at 760 miles per hour suddenly do you think you'd necessarily be able to dodge objects also? If I put a wall in your path you'd run smack into it because you have regular reflexes. Does that make ANY sense?

So what Namor would have skills and experience. He has a completely different fighting style than Storm has. That means JACK. Wolverine supposely has what, at least 50ish years of figthing experience? Isn't he SUPPOSED to be well versed in martial arts? Funny how he still encounters SUPERIOR martial artists? Simply saying "he has more fighting experience" means nothing. Wolverine has WAY more experience than Elektra. What happened?

I'll just agree to disagree. No way in hell can Namor fly at Storm at bonk her before she can react.

Originally posted by Never
Sorry, enhanced speed is not the same as enhanced reflexes.

Namor has both.

Originally posted by Never
Is Namor faster than lightning? No, not even close. Is he faster than the speed of thought? No, not even close. So do tell how he'll be able to reach her before she can "react?"

Namor doesnt have to be faster than lightning. Storm isnt even faster than lightning. What does that have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Never
He cannot reach her before she can react unless they are standing 5 paces from her.

Originally posted by Never
Sorry, Namor punching someone "so fast that they did not see the punch coming" in no way proves that he is quicker than Spiderman. Northstar is limited (at least WAS) to roughly the speed of sound.

Northstar is faster than Spiderman. Mimic has Northstar's speed, and he barely was the punch coming. 1+1=2.


Originally posted by Never
SPEED is not the same thing as REFLEXES.

Like i said, Namor has both.

Originally posted by Never
Show me where he dodges bullets via reflexes at close range. Never saw it.

Wish granted.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3738/oldnamordodginglasercannons9yh.th.jpg http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8800/s9zi.th.jpg http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6228/oldnamordodgingpointblank8qb.th.jpg http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1540/mimicbarelysawnamorspunch9jh.th.jpg

Old Namor dodging laser cannons. More resent Namor dodging multiple ak-47's. Old Namor dodging at point blank range as you asked. And Mimic with Northstars speed barely seeing the punch coming.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Namor has both.

Prove it.



I never said she was. Point being Namor cannot hit Storm before she strikes his ass with lighting. That's what relevance it has.



Speed does not equal reflexes.



Prove it.



They are about the size of stamps when I click on them. If you have the issue numbers I'll just purchase them myself. I can see neither the type nor the pictures.

Originally posted by Never
No, Namor cannot fly at Storm faster than she can react. You're WRONG. Does she have to recite an incantation to summon wind? NO. She THINKS, it HAPPENS. You are trying to say that he can FLY at her before she can even form a THOUGHT.

He has to ACCELERATE. He does not take one step and instantly fly at 450 mph. If I'm not mistaken, for something to be a BLUR to another it has to be ~the speed of sound. For fear of applying real world laws of physics, how many people consistently move at a blur? Flash. Wonder Woman can. Superman can. Quicksilver, Impulse.

I'll just agree to disagree. No way in hell can Namor fly at Storm at bonk her before she can react.

Storms reflexes arent faster than Northstars. Mimis couldnt react before Namor hit him. Namor wasnt accelerating either. He was simply hovering and talking to him. He was only about 3 steps away. No way Storm can react to that.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/628/namortalkingtomimic3cp.th.jpg

Ok GS is back after a lil break to sort this out. Never, you've held the fort well im proud of ya lol. Let me deal with this.

DarkC you've gone from accepting that Namor can fly at 60mph, to thinking Namor is of comparable speeed, to suddenly saying he's much faster than Storm. You're wrong, very wrong. As Never said WW2 planes top speeds were about 400mph. Namor outpacing a sound wave for a small distance does NOT mean he can travel at mach speeds. If a cheetah ran at me from a small distance away i could outpace it for a dozen feet before it reached me. Does that mean im faster than it?


None of Namors bios have ever talked of him having enhanced reflexes. He is greater than the average Atlantean in terms of speed and strength but thats the limit to my knowledge. Unless you can prove credibly thats just not the case. I mean Callisto had superhuman reflexes as do Marrow and Wolverine yet Storm has caught them unawares in duels. Thor has thrown Mjolnir at Storm from a short distance away and yet she dodged it. Despite those feats im not claiming Storm has superhuman reflexes DC. Learn from my example.

Storm and Namor as per new evidence seem to be of comparable flight speed. In the lastest handbook they both ave the same speed rating which further cements this. Lets say as per your evidence that Namor can fly around 400mph. Storm with no effort flies at the speed fasy winds usually reach which is around 300 mph but when a significant enough situation arises she can warp weather patterns to reach mach speeds.


DCwhy all this business about reaction times. Namor doesnt have enhanced reflexes as ive tried to explain to you just having showings of him reacting to situations quickly doesnt enable you to then list enhanced reflexes as one of his powers , as much as i know you'd like to. Namor will not be able to fly at Storm and strike her down before she can act or get out of harms way. Not when they fly at comparable speeds.

Namor is not more intelligent than Storm. None of his comic book appearances suggest that he is. For Christs sake in the face of immediate danger Namor would ignore all and prefer to battle his team mate the Hulk. He has an intelligence rating of 2 Storm has one of 3 i believe. Normal Vs Learned.

Namors advantages in this fight are his strength and durabiity. Things which Storms arsenal can overcome. Suspended in the air, being tossed about in hurricane winds, his strength with no option for application would be rendered useless and he would eventually be battered senseless. His durability isnt such that it can allow Namor to endure being propelled into the environment repeatedly by hurricane winds and bombarded with "sun lasers". In such a circumstance he simply can not apply hi sstrength and he's not fast enough to negate the effects of her winds. The winds are at her mental control and she would not give him a moments respite. If he managed to escape he would be engulfed again and taken out.

His only chance are projectiles because he would not be permitted to approach her. Given that they would not be his first option due to his arrogance Storm knowing the harm he could potentially do to her would not give him the oppurtunity. He gets taken out with a hurricane wind battering and sun lasers.

Originally posted by Never
Prove it.

Did you not see the scans? You asked for a scan of him dodging a point blank gun shot, and i did. Thats reflexses. And the cop tried to sneak up on him at that.

Originally posted by Never
I never said she was. Point being Namor cannot hit Storm before she strikes his ass with lighting. That's what relevance it has.

From the beginning we've been saying that Namor absorbs lightning. That type of attack is nulled.

Originally posted by Never
Speed does not equal reflexes.

Like i said before, Namor has both.

Originally posted by Never
Prove it.

Once again, look at the scan.

Originally posted by Never
They are about the size of stamps when I click on them. If you have the issue numbers I'll just purchase them myself. I can see neither the type nor the pictures.

Ill try to make them bigger.

Originally posted by Never




They are about the size of stamps when I click on them. If you have the issue numbers I'll just purchase them myself. I can see neither the type nor the pictures.

Let's see...I'll post them for you:

One...

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/5194/namorfeat95ne.gif

Two...

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/1460/namorfeat101qb.gif

Three:

(It says: even with Northstars super speed, Mimic barely saw that punch coming)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1203/namorfeat123qn.gif

Four...

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/6069/namorfeat115wo.gif

Now, the sonic cannon was maybe one meter away from him when it was fired. That five evidence of super reflexes. Are you now satisfied?

Thank you DC.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
One...

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/5194/namorfeat95ne.gif

Guys, come on. Do you see where it says "thus they fire BLINDLY?" I mean, I can run and dodge random gunfire for awhile.

It says that their guns try to catch him in their sights but they cannot follow him -- that is evidence of speed, yes.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Two...

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/1460/namorfeat101qb.gif

I see clouds behind him. How close are they?

Do you all know what "point blank" means? I see the "bullet trace signature" which means that the bullet has been flying for awhile before it even came close to Namor.

A normal person can dodge a bullet from quite a close range if they are forewarned that the enemy is going to shoot. For example if the person body language and manner telegraph their actions before they actually fire. If you had showed a spray of bullets and Namor was dodging all over the place in between and over them then fair enough, but that is not sufficient evidence, especially when his bio makes no mention of such features which it would for such a physically orientated character

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Three:

(It says: even with Northstars super speed, Mimic barely saw that punch coming)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1203/namorfeat123qn.gif

So it says he punches fast. Okay.

Originally posted by Never
Guys, come on. Do you see where it says "thus they fire BLINDLY?" I mean, I can run and dodge random gunfire for awhile.

It says that their guns try to catch him in their sights but they cannot follow him -- that is evidence of speed, yes.

Yes speed. Meaning hes moving too fast for them to get a clear look at him. That was one pic posted for speed, Never.

Originally posted by Never
I see clouds behind him. How close are they?

Do you all know what "point blank" means? I see the "bullet trace signature" which means that the bullet has been flying for awhile before it even came close to Namor.

Lol. Those arent clouds. Its smoke from Hulk bashing the Tanks.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Four...

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/6069/namorfeat115wo.gif

Now, according to YOUR interpretation he was about a meter away. Notice that the gunman is BEHIND the machine in front of Namor (the white box shaped machine).

One meter = three feet. Look at Namor's RIGHT hand. It is not CLOSE to the machine. His HEAD is arguably a few feet away from the machine.

So you're telling me INCLUDING the machine and the space between Namor and the machine that gunman is within THREE FEET?

No way.

I saw speed in the pictures which I've never disputed. Nothing "point blank range." Nothing showing "enhanced reflexes."



Smoke. Noted. Respond regarding the tracer signatures beneath the bullets which indicate distance travelled.

It said he barely saw it coming, therefore he did actually see it. Northstar travel at mach speeds. He can theoretically travel at 99% of light however he travels at nowhere near that because of the atmosphere and the fact that it would tear up his body and cause harm to all of his teammates. Therefore he travel at mach speeds. Mimic travels at half of that speed. Not impressive. You're scans are showing that Namor is fas and strong which was never in doubt. They do not however show that he has superhuman reflexes.

Originally posted by Never
So it says he punches fast. Okay.

Its more than just punches fast. Namor wasnt even in arms reach of Mimic. He had to advance toward him in order to punch him. Mimic didnt even see it coming.

Continue on, Never.

This is so fun to watch, its never about the characters, it carries on with smaller points. In explicit detail.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Its more than just punches fast. Namor wasnt even in arms reach of Mimic. He had to advance toward him in order to punch him. Mimic didnt even see it coming.

Continue on, Never.

First you say "barely saw it coming." Then you say he didn't "even see it coming." Which is it? A little continuity, please? There is a difference between the two. And again, I never said anything about his speed. I've always known Namor to fly (and was he flying in the panel before that picture?).

I've responded above.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ok GS is back after a lil break to sort this out. Never, you've held the fort well im proud of ya lol. Let me deal with this.

DarkC you've gone from accepting that Namor can fly at 60mph, to thinking Namor is of comparable speeed, to suddenly saying he's much faster than Storm. You're wrong, very wrong. As Never said WW2 planes top speeds were about 400mph. Namor outpacing a sound wave for a small distance does NOT mean he can travel at mach speeds. If a cheetah ran at me from a small distance away i could outpace it for a dozen feet before it reached me. Does that mean im faster than it?




The 60mph thing was before I realized that he was able to keep up with fighter planes.



Read the scans. Storm can't react to that speed.



I depends on comic. Namor suffers from mood swings. In one Fantastic Four comic, he is citing Shakespeare. But when he gets angry, he is pounding Richards face. Namor is respectable business man who has gained fortunes with his business skills. He is intelligent. But true, it always doesn't show in battle. But he doesn't need much intelligence to fly towards Storm and bounce her...



Storm is taken out by Namor before she can do anything. But let's assume that it won't happen and Storm gets away.

It takes pretty damn powerful winds to even move Namor in air. He is gifted flyer, it has been said that he is as skilled in air as he is in sea, and with century of experience, I don't doubt it. He could dodge things that Storm throws at him. The hurricanes don't show up on second. Namor would be constantly at move, and he could reach Storm pretty much with ease. Lightning, Storm's most used attack doesn't have any effect on Namor, in fact it helps him, and if he gets close to Storm, it's over for her. He takes full force pounds from Savage Hulk and Thor and gets right up, the winds are not doing nothing to him. And what if he dodges the sun lasers? He has dodged lasers before.