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Who wins?

I will take Nightwing for the win

Nightwing will use a gas pellet or somthing like a taser if it comes to it. i think he can doge the kinetic cards untill he finds a way to take him out

Gambit is pretty agile himself, had a shitload of great agility feats in his own series.

Gambit is a very skilled fighter also

I say Nightwing. Both will dodge each other's stuff, and fight with their staffs. However, Nightwing has learned from one of the best and is better at stealth then Gambit. He'll get Gambit with a smoke bomb sooner or later.

Gambit definitely has the edge in reflex/reaction time.

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Gambit but it will be a tough fight.

Originally posted by BatmanOfGotham
I say Nightwing. Both will dodge each other's stuff, and fight with their staffs. However, Nightwing has learned from one of the best and is better at stealth then Gambit. He'll get Gambit with a smoke bomb sooner or later.



I'd have to agree. This is a good fight, but in the end Nigthtwing wins 8/10

Where does the fight take place?

Nightwing for the majority

Originally posted by Mindset
Where does the fight take place?

This fight takes place in a city like area.

gambit for the win.

Gambit could concievably charge his clothing if he touches him, he has done it before...he did it to an assasin's guild member in his first limited series, wish I had the scans but im not at home.

He also charged the Tithe collector's jacket, Ego's tentacles and threatened to do so to Mystique and one of the Neo.

Nightwing has no answer for that attack...wouldnt work on characters with higher durability because Gambit's energy is relatively weak, but it would put nightwing out of commission.

Man this could be very close....a lot of factors are involved.
But I'd give a slight edge to Gambit based on how flexible his powers and abilities are.

Gambit 6/10

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Nightwing has no answer for that attack...wouldnt work on characters with higher durability because Gambit's energy is relatively weak, but it would put nightwing out of commission.

i agree gambit would propuarly win although he wouldn't be able to do it with out getting nearly killed himself.It will be a close fight, one that would be great to watch.

gambit der

gambit

There's a lot that factors into this, but in the end I think Nightwing takes the majority. 7/10

I'd have to go with Grayson 6/10.

Gambit.

And its not really that close.

Nightwing.

Remy

gambit would out perform grayson in acrobatics..

gambit ftw.

Gambit, but he works for it.

Gambit 10/10..

Remy 7/10 or more

Even split, imo.

Didn't nightwing and gambit face of in marvel vs DC? Although that was kinda like a fan voted comic i'm pretty sure they fought or something

Gambit beats the flatscan! 7/10

I know Remy has faster reflexes. But than again, so does Slade. And Grayson did a pretty good job at keeping Slade on his toes (Nightwing vol.2 #18) with his own agility and reflexes. Not saying Nightwing is on par with Gambit. But he isn't too far away from Remy in the agility/reflexes department for it to matter. I say Richard get at least 5/10. If not, he takes it 6/10 on fighting skills alone and overall resourcefulness as a crime-fighter.

i wouldnt even compare nightwing to slade in agility or reflex, just because slade is enhanced doesnt mean he possess the fighting skills or spirit of grayson. i actually consider that more as a disservice to dick.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i wouldnt even compare nightwing to slade in agility or reflex, just because slade is enhanced doesnt mean he possess the fighting skills or spirit of grayson. i actually consider that more as a disservice to dick.
Then you lack an understanding of who Slade is.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Gambit.

And its not really that close.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Then you lack an understanding of who Slade is.

i know exactly who slade is a prep master teambuster who is enhanced but can only stalemate human fighter like bats, nightwing, ollie, and batgirl..

oh yeah he has an unhealthy fascination with teenagers and is a pedophile.

Gambit but not easy.

Whoever hits the other guys first knock out pellets would Ko Gambit and charged cards would ko or kill Grayson.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Whoever hits the other guys first knock out pellets would Ko Gambit and charged cards would ko or kill Grayson.

Yeah, I thought about that too.

They both have things in their "arsenal" which should easily K.O a regular person.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i know exactly who slade is a prep master teambuster who is enhanced but can only stalemate human fighter like bats, nightwing, ollie, and batgirl..

oh yeah he has an unhealthy fascination with teenagers and is a pedophile.



Yes. And you're forgetting to add the fact that he has his own sense of honor. He regularly meditates, to maintain control of his body and mind. And Slade lives by the way of the ninja. In no way should his fighting skills or spirit, be doubted. And he put down, Batman. I think That all the characters you name, that has gone against Slade. Shows just how good they are in-spite of not being superhuman. In this case, Nightwing or Batman if you will. But that doesn't mean that they would truly take him down in a 1 on 1 fight.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah, I thought about that too.

They both have things in their "arsenal" which should easily K.O a regular person. Yep not to mention Nightwing is pretty much on Batman's level when it comes to accuracy. Given the gear Nightwing has it could go any which way but charged cards are better than knock gas in my opinion.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes. and you're forgetting to add the fact that he has his own sense of honor. He regularly meditates, to maintain control of his body and mind. And Slade lives by the way of the ninja. In no way should his fighting fighting skills or spirit, be doubted. And he put down, Batman. I think That all the characters you name, that has gone against Slade. Shows just how good they are in-spite of not being superhuman. But that doesn't mean that they would truly take him down in a 1 on 1 fight. No they would lose to him 1 on 1 and he beat the tar out of Black Canary and Ollie at the same time but both have gotten better in all honesty.

Originally posted by iceman24567
No they would lose to him 1 on 1 and he beat the tar out of Black Canary and Ollie at the same time but both have gotten better in all honesty.

Well, Yeah. That's what I was saying.

Gambit he physically superior and skilled enough with a bo staff to handle noght wing in melee, he also has the ability to blow a lot of shit up.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Gambit he physically superior and skilled enough with a bo staff to handle noght wing in melee, he also has the ability to blow a lot of shit up.

How strong is Remy? I know Richard can lift over 950 lbs.

I don't see how Gambit is physically superior

Originally posted by iceman24567
I don't see how Gambit is physically superior
Gambit has super human agility, reflexes and dexterity how is he not physically superior.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
How strong is Remy? I know Richard can lift over 950 lbs.
prove it.

although their agility is pretty evenly matched, i think nightwing will take it based on inteligence.

That and nightwing knows if he loses he will be demoted back to robin.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Gambit is pretty agile himself, had a shitload of great agility feats in his own series.
agreed and for that im going with gambit...i mean he can set time delay charges in hidden through out the fighting area...hes completely ok with cheating to win so any opportunity to get the upper hand dirty or not he will take it....hes smart and not a bad fighter.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Gambit has super human agility, reflexes and dexterity how is he not physically superior. Nah he has above average agility, reflexes and dexterity nothing above Captain America, Drakon or Nightwing so like i said how is Gambit physically superior.

No, Gambit is superhuman in those areas.

You can honestly say Captain America and Nightwing can't match his feats?

Originally posted by iceman24567
You can honestly say Captain America and Nightwing can't match his feats?
I can honestly say that according to Marvel, Gambit has superhuman agility and dexterity.

And according to DC, Dick does not.

Obviously, all superheroes have superhuman strenght, durability..etc. Other wise they really wouldn't be "Super". Either way Gambit.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Obviously, all superheroes have superhuman strenght, durability..etc. Other wise they really wouldn't be "Super". Either way Gambit.
I know, right? Clearly Oracle can run at superhuman speeds when she delivers messages to Dinah.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I can honestly say that according to Marvel, Gambit has superhuman agility and dexterity.

And according to DC, Dick does not. Nice dodge like i said Nightwing can matched just about every agility, reflex and dexterity feat Gambit has.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nice dodge like i said Nightwing can matched just about every agility, reflex and dexterity feat Gambit has.
Okay.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Okay. Don't Okay me *******

I believe their about even, DC streets tend to be closer to the superhuman end of totem than Marvel

nightwing as a hell of a chance but gambit has a edge as well as enhanced durability plus his powers and years of experience not to say that dick doesnt have any but im going with gambit..

I would say they are about equal consider Nightwing has done somethings no other normal human could

Gambit beat Gladiator.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
This fight takes place in a city like area.

Given the battlefield I'd take Gambit. In a city setting Gambit has too much to work with. A dumpster, store, or any other place with an abundance of hand held items becomes an armory, and he can bring down buildings and turn cars into bombs at will.

If it were in a stadium I might take Nightwing.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You can honestly say Captain America and Nightwing can't match his feats?
capt and night wing arnt the same level physically.




and has ngiht wing ever caught a bullet?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
capt and night wing arnt the same level physically.
Yeah they are.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and has ngiht wing ever caught a bullet? No and what's your point?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah they are.

No and what's your point?
no there not were the hell did you get such an idea. Captain America is physically superior to night wing I not even sure how you could think other wises.




Gambit has which is better then anything night wings ever done and gambit actaully been stated as having superhuman agility, reflexes and dexterity as part of his powers.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no there not were the hell did you get such an idea. Captain America is physically superior to night wing I not even sure how you could think other wises.
Because they are on the same level physically sure Captain America's higher showings beat Nightwings but their average is pretty close you just like to exaggerate as usual.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Gambit has which is better then anything night wings ever done and gambit actaully been stated as having superhuman agility, reflexes and dexterity as part of his powers. Yeah like i said Nightwing can match most of Gambits feats who cares what Marvel says the comics speak for themselves.

Get back to me when Nightwing dodges 31,000 bullets while flipping around moving vehicles.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Because they are on the same level physically sure Captain America's higher showings beat Nightwings but their average is pretty close you just like to exaggerate as usual.
Yeah like i said Nightwing can match most of Gambits feats who cares what Marvel says the comics speak for themselves.
Capt america entire character concept means he superior to night wing in every way let a lone the fact he has superior feats. get off your ngiht wing boner he not captain america level physically at all and it sad to think he is.




night wing highest feats can match gambit average feats true, hwoever they can't match gambit highest feats like catching a bullet and the reason is because gambit is a superhuman while night wing is only human.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Capt america entire character concept means he superior to night wing in every way let a lone the fact he has superior feats. get off your ngiht wing boner he not captain america level physically at all and it sad to think he is.




night wing highest feats can match gambit average feats true, hwoever they can't match gambit highest feats like catching a bullet and the reason is because gambit is a superhuman while night wing is only human.

agreed..

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Capt america entire character concept means he superior to night wing in every way let a lone the fact he has superior feats. get off your ngiht wing boner he not captain america level physically at all and it sad to think he is.
As usual you exaggerate because you think you right but your wrong. Is Captain America stronger and faster? Yes is he superior yes but not by leaps and bounds Nightwing is also peak human in every way possible they are on the same level physically even if Captain America gets the nod but you tend to rant like an angry child deprived from breast milk so whatever.
Originally posted by Battlehammer

night wing highest feats can match gambit average feats true, hwoever they can't match gambit highest feats like catching a bullet and the reason is because gambit is a superhuman while night wing is only human. So just because Gambit can do a couple things he's beyond Nightwing agility wise? Nightwing has done acrobatics no other human in the Dc universe can even Catwoman and Batman agree does that mean Nightwing is superhuman? Nope.

Originally posted by iceman24567
As usual you exaggerate because you think you right but your wrong. Is Captain America stronger and faster? Yes is he superior yes but not by leaps and bounds Nightwing is also peak human in every way possible they are on the same level physically even if Captain America gets the nod but you tend to rant like an angry child deprived from breast milk so whatever.
So just because Gambit can do a couple things he's beyond Nightwing agility wise? Nightwing has done acrobatics no other human in the Dc universe can even Catwoman and Batman agree does that mean Nightwing is superhuman? Nope.
hahahaha. Captain america not just peak-human he the next step in human evolution. Night wing can never achieve captain america level of stats it impossiable. Yes capt is stronger and faster then nightwing he quite a bit stronger then night wing not even sure how thats debatable. Love how you say I am ranting and being angry and your the one insulting me when I have done nothing of the sort to you someone projecting.



Yes gambit agility and reflexes are beyond night wing. He superhuman nights wing is not. Night wing being the best acrobat is just that he the best acrobat that does not make him superhuman, just means he the best at that type of skill. Night wing highest feats are gambits average showings, gambits highest feats are simply beyond anything night wing can do, and this is because night wing is only human while gambit is superhuman.

gambit dodges and blocks insane amounts of energy bolts while contorting his body in mid leap. he can catch explosive bullet rounds and has shown the ability to jump from hundreds of feet without the use of lines and rely on his own ability to bleed of momentum without injury. nightwing is no where near that lvl.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
hahahaha. Captain america not just peak-human he the next step in human evolution. Night wing can never achieve captain america level of stats it impossiable. Yes capt is stronger and faster then nightwing he quite a bit stronger then night wing not even sure how thats debatable. Love how you say I am ranting and being angry and your the one insulting me when I have done nothing of the sort to you someone projecting.



Yes gambit agility and reflexes are beyond night wing. He superhuman nights wing is not. Night wing being the best acrobat is just that he the best acrobat that does not make him superhuman, just means he the best at that type of skill. Night wing highest feats are gambits average showings, gambits highest feats are simply beyond anything night wing can do, and this is because night wing is only human while gambit is superhuman. Originally posted by Battlehammer
get off your ngiht wing boner he not captain america
I suppose this was just friendly debating? Marvel has stated a billion times Cap is peak human just like Marvel states Gambit is superhuman agility wise pick to either believe the feats we see in comics or what Marvel states please don't pick which ever supports your argument at the moment.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
gambit dodges and blocks insane amounts of energy bolts while contorting his body in mid leap. he can catch explosive bullet rounds and has shown the ability to jump from hundreds of feet without the use of lines and rely on his own ability to bleed of momentum without injury. nightwing is no where near that lvl. Yeah Nightwing can only dodge multiple sniper fire, lasers, energy blasts ect definitely not Gambit level.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I suppose this was just friendly debating? Marvel has stated a billion times Cap is peak human just like Marvel states Gambit is superhuman agility wise pick to either believe the feats we see in comics or what Marvel states please don't pick which ever supports your argument at the moment.

Yes peak-human which marvel states mean the peak of human potential the next state in human evolution. which is something a human simply can not achieve through training.

nice try though.


and if we go by feats both gambit and capt have higher feats then night wing.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah Nightwing can only dodge multiple sniper fire, lasers, energy blasts ect definitely not Gambit level.

So can most street level people, are they all Nightwing's equal in agility?

This is a toss up imo.

If Gambit is willing to kill I'd give him the majority considering the environment.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So can most street level people, are they all Nightwing's equal in agility? Yeah but most get tagged Nightwing rarely ever gets tagged. The best street level acrobats can't touch Nightwing when it comes to agility and speed not even Batman or Catwoman and her speed is almost super human.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes peak-human which marvel states mean the peak of human potential the next state in human evolution. which is something a human simply can not achieve through training.

nice try though.


and if we go by feats both gambit and capt have higher feats then night wing. Did i ever say they didn't?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So can most street level people, are they all Nightwing's equal in agility?


i dont see many or any human lvlers that can survive X-cutioner and his lackeys alien tech cross fire in a cave with mirror orbs or in the middle of traffic with guiding systems.

gambits enemies are on another lvl from your average street lvler and dodges more then your average gunfire.

It's going to be really, really close but I think Nightwing outmanuvers him.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Did i ever say they didn't?
.............your saying night wings equal to them when they are not only state as superhuman or the next stage in human evolution, but also have superior feats.......so your entire arguement was for what? shits an giggles?

Gambit gotpunked by Batroc, Dick wouldnt let that happen ... Batman wins!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.............your saying night wings equal to them when they are not only state as superhuman or the next stage in human evolution, but also have superior feats.......so your entire arguement was for what? shits an giggles? Nope stop putting words in my mouth i never once said they were equals and your horrible typos are annoying but continue to rant

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i dont see many or any human lvlers that can survive X-cutioner and his lackeys alien tech cross fire in a cave with mirror orbs or in the middle of traffic with guiding systems.

gambits enemies are on another lvl from your average street lvler and dodges more then your average gunfire. I see you don't read much Nightwing or Batman

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gambit gotpunked by Batroc, Dick wouldnt let that happen ... Batman wins!


he was being chased by assassins for days without food or sleep because new son put a contract out on him. i doubt nightwing would have done any better.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he was being chased by assassins for days without food or sleep because new son put a contract out on him. i doubt nightwing would have done any better. Nightwing has done better weakened, beat and bruised actually

Originally posted by iceman24567
I see you don't read much Nightwing or Batman

i actually do and i know when to separate story plots moments from a characters actual abilities and powersets.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i actually do and i know when to separate story plots moments from a characters actual abilities and powersets. So you know how to ignore the multiple times Nightwing has taken on formidable or several opponents while weakened for whatever reason?

Originally posted by iceman24567
So you know how to ignore the multiple times Nightwing has taken on formidable or several opponents while weakened for whatever reason?

i know when to ignore the times he uses terrain, make shift wpns of opportunity. when he will be fighting in a forum battle without convenient cover and other things to use against his opponent like buildings to swing from.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nope stop putting words in my mouth i never once said they were equals and your horrible typos are annoying but continue to rant
........you prety much said they were equal which they arnt........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
........you prety much said they were equal which they arnt........ Yeah i did say they pretty much were equals with Gambit having the better feats i never denied the claim.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah i did say they pretty much were equals with Gambit having the better feats i never denied the claim.
so what the hell have you been argueing with me over. Gambit has superior agility reflexes and dexterity which was my point, which you kept argue with me over.


gambit wins.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he was being chased by assassins for days without food or sleep because new son put a contract out on him. i doubt nightwing would have done any better.


HE STILL GOT PUNKED

Originally posted by Battlehammer
so what the hell have you been argueing with me over. Gambit has superior agility reflexes and dexterity which was my point, which you kept argue with me over. Your original statement was about their physical abilities not just agility the original argument just changed i guess.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
HE STILL GOT PUNKED

nightwing has done worse while he was healthy like paying off a mercenary after taking a beating.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
nightwing has done worse while he was healthy like paying off a mercenary after taking a beating. A superhuman highly skilled merc trained by one of the worlds greatest assassin kinda like how Gambit doesn't want any of Deadpool.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he was being chased by assassins for days without food or sleep because new son put a contract out on him. i doubt nightwing would have done any better.

I think she is joking. I haven't read that arc in a while, but I recall Gambit embarrassing Batroc and Zaran at the same time.
Originally posted by iceman24567
A superhuman highly skilled merc trained by one of the worlds greatest assassin kinda like how Gambit doesn't want any of Deadpool.
In Gambit's defense, there were extenuating circumstances. There is no way Deadpool could beat Gambit in that arc if Gambit really wanted to fight.

Either way, this thread has been done before.....many times.

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