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Rogue has taken out Strong Guy with no problems. And that was just h2h no flying or power absorption and she's just class 50, the same strength level as Guido.

She Hulks twice as strong as Rogue so i give her the majority.

Kick to the stones FTW.

whooo whooo let us forget that strong Guy earned the resect of WWH whild colosus who has allways been consdered a rough equal to a calm hulk was given total disrespect.

she hulk is weaker then HULK ( because hulk is strongest...!) thus strong Guy wins

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rogue has taken out Strong Guy with no problems. And that was just h2h no flying or power absorption and she's just class 50, the same strength level as Guido.

She Hulks twice as strong as Rogue so i give her the majority.

When did he take SG out without any problems?

Also, where is Shulkies strength lvl currently?

Strong Guy took a punch from Hulk, but he was pretty much finished after the one hit.

His heart condition prevents him from winning this fight.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Strong Guy took a punch from Hulk, but he was pretty much finished after the one hit.

His heart condition prevents him from winning this fight.

If youre talking about WWH, SG LET Hulk hit him.

As far as the "heart condition" goes, it was totally ignored or forgot by the writer. Thats been fixed via forge pacemaker.

Shulkie is nowhere near WWH in strength, so even if the hear condition was an issue, she wouldnt be able to overload it.

Originally posted by rougeredmage
whooo whooo let us forget that strong Guy earned the resect of WWH whild colosus who has allways been consdered a rough equal to a calm hulk was given total disrespect.

she hulk is weaker then HULK ( because hulk is strongest...!) thus strong Guy wins I think you have it backwards. Colossus earned the respect of WWHulk. Guido was done after one hit, which by Hulk's own admission hurt Guido worse than it did him. Colossus took several punches from Hulk. Actually Hulk had to turn up the heat to beat Colossus.

Originally posted by jrodslam
When did he take SG out without any problems?

Also, where is Shulkies strength lvl currently? Professor Hulk easily defeated SG back in the day also iirc.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Professor Hulk easily defeated SG back in the day also iirc.

1. Doesnt Prof have the same base strength as Savage?
2. SG wasnt defeated in the fight. He was in the fight and Havok told the team to back away.
3. That was also pre heart pacemaker.

I don't remember SG being in the fight. I remember somebody mentioned Guido getting killed and for somebody to help him.

WWH commented on Guidos hit saying that it wasnt bad. Before Juggy, SG hit Hulk the the hardest out of anyone.

Originally posted by jrodslam
WWH commented on Guidos hit saying that it wasnt bad. Before Juggy, SG hit Hulk the the hardest out of anyone. He did say it wasn't bad. But he also said it hurt Guido worse than it did him, indicating Hulk wasn't even phased by the strike.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't remember SG being in the fight. I remember somebody mentioned Guido getting killed and for somebody to help him.

He was in most of it, till Havok took over. Polaris was saying she couldnt help wolfsbane get out of flight cause it looked like hulk was killing guido. She went over to help, but sg wasnt out of the fight.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He did say it wasn't bad. But he also said it hurt Guido worse than it did him, indicating Hulk wasn't even phased by the strike.

Hulk was clearly phased by the hit. He actually knocked Hulk on his ass and had him grabbing his chin afterwards. Hulk did say that it looked like it hurt Guido more than it did him. Thats still an indication that it hurt Hulk or at least affected him.

Yea, but 1 hit was all Hulk needed to beat Guido. Emma even said something about Hulk's punches will kill him.

Did you see Guido's recent fight with She-Hulk?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea, but 1 hit was all Hulk needed to beat Guido. Emma even said something about Hulk's punches will kill him.

Did you see Guido's recent fight with She-Hulk?

Yea and Hulk couldnt hit Guido till G allowed it. Also, his operation was ignored so i take him being taken out of the fight due to a possible overload with a grain of salt. Yea, Emma did mention that the Hulks punches would kill him, but thats only if Guido gets hit and technically even if he did, it shouldnt happen.

Guidos recent fight with Shulkie? Fight you call it? She kicked him in the balls. What else is there to see?

He had blood coming out of his mouth after being kicked in the junk.
Just because he dodged one hit does not mean he's going to do it all day. Otherwise Emma wouldn't have told him to back off. I like SG but he was shown to be useless in the fight.


Oh, and Guido did look finished before he was rescured by Polaris.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/StrongGuyvsHulk.jpg

these are two of the shittiest characters, who cares?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
these are two of the shittiest characters, who cares? Strong Guy is one of my faves man.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He had blood coming out of his mouth after being kicked in the junk.
Just because he dodged one hit does not mean he's going to do it all day. Otherwise Emma wouldn't have told him to back off. I like SG but he was shown to be useless in the fight.


Oh, and Guido did look finished before he was rescured by Polaris.

Why he had blood coming out of his mouth is beyond me. Again, its a kick in the balls. Guido was dodging Hulks his from the time he showed up in WWHXM. The only attack he was hit with was the thunderclap. He was boxing hulk all that time and hulk finally told to stop dancing around. Emma telling him to back off again, is lack of knowledge from the writer or he just didnt care to put it, but he was told to back off from the fight, yet panels later he shields nightcrawler and others and absorbs part of the jet engine explosion. SG was as Useless in the fight as Colossus was technically. At least he got the better hit in.

And Guido may have looked finished, but in the next page hes clearly shown on the monitor back in the fight.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3195/incrediblehulk391large2uo9.th.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Strong Guy is one of my faves man.

Same.

Originally posted by jrodslam
SG was as Useless in the fight as Colossus was technically. At least he got the better hit in. I don't recall anybody telling Colossus to back off because he was in danger of dying.
Originally posted by jrodslam

And Guido may have looked finished, but in the next page hes clearly shown on the monitor back in the fight.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3195/incrediblehulk391large2uo9.th.jpg Guido was lying on the ground face down. He wasn't gonna do much at that point, hence the interference of Polaris. She rescued Guido instead of Rahne because he was in more danger.

Originally posted by jrodslam
When did he take SG out without any problems?

Also, where is Shulkies strength lvl currently?


Uncanny X-men 278:

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Rogue going all out is strong enough to take out Strong Guy. No long drawn out struggle. Nothing but a knock out punch.

She Hulk is now class 100. She is at least twice as strong as either Rogue or Strong Guy. She Hulk would win this.

Rogue kayoed SG a few issues after that too iirc.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Uncanny X-men 278:

Rogue going all out is strong enough to take out Strong Guy. No long drawn out struggle. Nothing but a knock out punch.

She Hulk is now class 100. She is at least twice as strong as either Rogue or Strong Guy. She Hulk would win this.

Ahh i figured you was talking about that. Yea i have that book.

How can you say she didnt it with no problems when its clear Guido dominated her at the start. She was down and Guido stopped his assault. Jamie even yelled "Hit her again Guido! We wanna see pain! We wanna see blood!" and he didnt. Nothing but a knock out punch? She was shown to hit him more than 2 times.

Strong Guy has taken more than that from Blob and hes stronger than what they were then as well.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Rogue kayoed SG a few issues after that too iirc.

2 issues later and no she didint. She hit Guido once or twice then let beast take over and get his hits in. Thus technically, it was Beast and not her. And i still call bs on that.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ahh i figured you was talking about that. Yea i have that book.

How can you say she didnt it with no problems when its clear Guido dominated her at the start. She was down and Guido stopped his assault. Jamie even yelled "Hit her again Guido! We wanna see pain! We wanna see blood!" and he didnt. Nothing but a knock out punch? She was shown to hit him more than 2 times.

Strong Guy has taken more than that from Blob and hes stronger than what they were then as well.

Guido was hardly dominating the fight. From the offset, he surprised Rogue and slammed her into a wall. Thats all he had a chance to do before Rogue took over.

Guido was felled in the end with one knockout punch from Rogue. She Hulk going all out would devastate him considering she's twice as strong as either of them.

On top of that, whilst in possession of Ms Marvels powers, she has always been class 50. She has never gone up or down in strength unless absorbing the powers of another. Blob is nowhere near class 50 and never has been.

Regardless. Rogue at class 50, the same strength level as Guido at his max, clearly dominated Guido purely in a h2h match. She Hulk would be too much for him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
2 issues later and no she didint. She hit Guido once or twice then let beast take over and get his hits in. Thus technically, it was Beast and not her. And i still call bs on that.


Irrelevant given how she clearly out fought him on her own just 2 issues before.

Strong Guys a cool character, but he's no major powerhouse.

Was this before Guido could absorb hits? Or is there a threshold to the minimum amount he can absorb?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Guido was hardly dominating the fight. From the offset, he surprised Rogue and slammed her into a wall. Thats all he had a chance to do before Rogue took over.

Guido didnt dominate the fight in the beginning? He surprised her? It was an arena setting. She knew she was going to fight. There was no surprise.
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Guido was felled in the end with one knockout punch from Rogue. She Hulk going all out would devastate him considering she's twice as strong as either of them.

On top of that, whilst in possession of Ms Marvels powers, she has always been class 50. She has never gone up or down in strength unless absorbing the powers of another. Blob is nowhere near class 50 and never has been.

Guido fell in the end due to him, 1. Letting up on Rogue and 2. Multiple hits from Rogue.

Funny how they were both in the same class, yet his kinetic absorptions powers werent around? Especially hes taken much worse punishment. Blob is nowhere near class 50? Blob was above class 50.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Regardless. Rogue at class 50, the same strength level as Guido at his max, clearly dominated Guido purely in a h2h match. She Hulk would be too much for him.

False. Guido at his max is uncalculated, thus well over class 50. She only dominated him in the end considering his powers didnt seem to be working.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Was this before Guido could absorb hits? Or is there a threshold to the minimum amount he can absorb?

Thats what im wondering. Considering they were both in the same class lvl, he should have absorbed all of her hits including the impact from the wall. For some reason, that power wasnt displayed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Guido didnt dominate the fight in the beginning? He surprised her? It was an arena setting. She knew she was going to fight. There was no surprise.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7782/13dr5.th.jpg



Guido fell in the end due to him, 1. Letting up on Rogue and 2. Multiple hits from Rogue.

Regardless of the ins and outs, the result is exactly as i stated. She out fought him, she nailed him, he went down.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Funny how they were both in the same class, yet his kinetic absorptions powers werent around? Especially hes taken much worse punishment. Blob is nowhere near class 50? Blob was above class 50.

The Blob is a class 5 according to the handbooks. Surely you're mistaken immovability with strength. Please reference some handbooks.



Originally posted by jrodslam
False. Guido at his max is uncalculated, thus well over class 50. She only dominated him in the end considering his powers didnt seem to be working.


Says who? Thats your assumption. Guido absorbs kinetic energy to empower himself. Do you know specific details of the rate he can efficiently convert kinetic attacks into his own personal energy reserves?

For all we know the speed and ferocity of Rogues attack overcame his durability at a greater rate than his energy absorption could compensate for.

For example, Storm can absorb and channel electrical energy within reason and at a comfortable rate. However if you hit her with a sharp sudden electrical attack then her durability is overcome at a rate too great for her powers to come into play.

Even with energy absorption at his side. Guido can be hurt whilst being dealt the blows which give him the kinetic energy in the first place. He has limited durability. He can be knocked out.

And as indicated by Rogues confrontations with Guido, hit him hard and fast enough and his energy absorption powers aren't given a chance to come into play.

She Hulk is twice as strong as Rogue, she is twice as Strong as Guidos base level. Guido can still be hurt and knocked out, even when absorbing energy from attacks. On top of that, when he reaches his threshold, he must expel his energy within 90 seconds. He cannot stay empowered for long and the effort tires him.

She Hulk too gets stronger as she angers, plus she's twice as strong as him to begin with. Unlike Guido, her strength isnt going anywhere in a minute and a half.

She Hulk wins.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm




The Blob is a class 5 according to the handbooks. Surely you're mistaken immovability with strength. Please reference some handbooks.


Blob was originally listed as a 5 tonner. But since further mutation Blob was put as a Class 75 in the Master Edition handbooks.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blob was originally listed as a 5 tonner. But since further mutation Blob was put as a Class 75 in the Master Edition handbooks.
True

she-hulk for the win.

guido's heart is going to pop out of his chest like a jack-in-the-box.

Originally posted by jrodslam
False. Guido at his max is uncalculated, thus well over class 50. She only dominated him in the end considering his powers didnt seem to be working.

Uncalculated? He'll get a heart attack pretty fast.

She hulk would stomp him.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Regardless of the ins and outs, the result is exactly as i stated. She out fought him, she nailed him, he went down.

We cant disregard all the ins and outs because its clear that he already had her beat, but let up on her. True she won. Im cant argue that. However him letting up on her and not finishing her off while she was down is the only reason he got defeated.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Blob is a class 5 according to the handbooks. Surely you're mistaken immovability with strength. Please reference some handbooks.

Before being depowered, Blob wasnt cl 5 for quite some time. He definitely wasnt class 5 when he fought Guido.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Says who? Thats your assumption. Guido absorbs kinetic energy to empower himself. Do you know specific details of the rate he can efficiently convert kinetic attacks into his own personal energy reserves?

For all we know the speed and ferocity of Rogues attack overcame his durability at a greater rate than his energy absorption could compensate for.

For example, Storm can absorb and channel electrical energy within reason and at a comfortable rate. However if you hit her with a sharp sudden electrical attack then her durability is overcome at a rate too great for her powers to come into play.

Says who? Its a fact. Guidos strength grows by the more kinetic energy he absorbs. Its not my assumption. His base strength is cl 50, but hes absorbed kinetic energy to stop a fully loaded 747 coming in at full speed.

Ferocity of Rogues attack overcame his durability and powers? I call that bs. Especially considering hes taken more instant punishment that that and absorbed it.

Storms power isnt to absorb energy. Its Guidos power. Its what he does. To say he was overwhelmed by a sudden impact or force would make sense if he was constantly pounded by someone stronger than him, but it this case it shouldnt stand.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Even with energy absorption at his side. Guido can be hurt whilst being dealt the blows which give him the kinetic energy in the first place. He has limited durability. He can be knocked out.

And as indicated by Rogues confrontations with Guido, hit him hard and fast enough and his energy absorption powers aren't given a chance to come into play.

Im not sayig Guido cant be hurt. I know he can. I also know he can be knocked out. Im just saying that its difficult to knock him out(especially when powers arent ignored).

As i stated, in his second confrontation with Rogue, she hit him twice then Beast took over. Beast knocking out SG? Pfft.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She Hulk is twice as strong as Rogue, she is twice as Strong as Guidos base level. Guido can still be hurt and knocked out, even when absorbing energy from attacks. On top of that, when he reaches his threshold, he must expel his energy within 90 seconds. He cannot stay empowered for long and the effort tires him.

She Hulk too gets stronger as she angers, plus she's twice as strong as him to begin with. Unlike Guido, her strength isnt going anywhere in a minute and a half.

Yes, Shulkie is stronger than base lvl Strong Guy, and yes he can still be knocked out, but so can she. As far as him reaching his threshold of kinetic energy, i doubt hed reach it just from her punches alone. If they are in combat with each other, 90 seconds is plenty of time to take it and dish it back.

She Hulk getting stronger as she angers is nothing like Hulks. Guido having to extinguish the extra energy wouldnt be a problem in a fight with shulkie.

If written properly, a fight between the two would be a drawn out one. The reason id give Guido a slight edge is for the simple fact that a punch or punches from her shouldnt overload him and once dished back out at her, shed fall from basically having her own punches thrown back at her and them some.

Originally posted by llagrok
Uncalculated? He'll get a heart attack pretty fast.

The upper limits to his absorption is uncalculated. His heart implant wasnt retconned, so it should never happen in a comic again. If it does, its just bad writing imo (ie his fight with WWH).

Originally posted by jrodslam
The upper limits to his absorption is uncalculated. His heart implant wasnt retconned, so it should never happen in a comic again. If it does, its just bad writing imo (ie his fight with WWH).


There is no known limit for the amount of energy he can absorb, but there is a limit to his pain threshold. Absorbing energy causes him pain and if he retains that energy for more than 90 secs it permanently disfigures him.

Thats why he has such funny proportions now. So whilst what you're saying is true to an extent, it is effectively useless in a fight, because he has limits in other aspects.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There is no known limit for the amount of energy he can absorb, but there is a limit to his pain threshold. Absorbing energy causes him pain and if he retains that energy for more than 90 secs it permanently disfigures him.

Thats why he has such funny proportions now. So whilst what you're saying is true to an extent, it is effectively useless in a fight, because he has limits in other aspects.

As per bio, Guido is always in pain anyways. In a fight when taking a punch or even having something fall on him, yes hed be absorbing, and would even be in pain, but hed also be dishing it back out. It would be useless if it were like a boxing match and hed be sitting in a corner somewhere with 90 seconds tick, but in a fight that wouldnt happen. Even if for some reason his opponent gets out of reach and he needs to release the energy, there are other ways of going about it as hes shown.

Originally posted by jrodslam
As per bio, Guido is always in pain anyways. In a fight when taking a punch or even having something fall on him, yes hed be absorbing, and would even be in pain, but hed also be dishing it back out. It would be useless if it were like a boxing match and hed be sitting in a corner somewhere with 90 seconds tick, but in a fight that wouldnt happen. Even if for some reason his opponent gets out of reach and he needs to release the energy, there are other ways of going about it as hes shown.


Guido is constantly in pain from his disfigurement. Guido on top of that would be in pain from the pounding She Hulk would be giving him and the pain of absorbing the kinetic energy and retaining it within his system.

90 secs is the longest he can hold the energy within him. Fighting against someone who is already over twice as strong as his base level, Guido would need all of the strength he could muster. Unfortunately for him, his pain threshold and the threat of permanent disfigurement both bottleneck his ability to amp his strength to the point where he coud use it throughout a fight.

On top of that, as we've seen, hit him hard and fast enough and his powers dont get a chance to come into play. If Rogue can do it, She Hulk can .

Guido loses.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Guido is constantly in pain from his disfigurement. Guido on top of that would be in pain from the pounding She Hulk would be giving him and the pain of absorbing the kinetic energy and retaining it within his system.

90 secs is the longest he can hold the energy within him. Fighting against someone who is already over twice as strong as his base level, Guido would need all of the strength he could muster. Unfortunately for him, his pain threshold and the threat of permanent disfigurement both bottleneck his ability to amp his strength to the point where he coud use it throughout a fight.

On top of that, as we've seen, hit him hard and fast enough and his powers dont get a chance to come into play. If Rogue can do it, She Hulk can .

Guido loses.

Any extra pain from being hit and from consuming energy will extinguished and released. Its painful while being retained, but it wouldnt last for to long.

(0 seconds is the longest he can hold it before it disfigures his body more than it already is. Fighting someone who is twice his base strength and getting hit, makes his punches stronger than that which was taken. The pain and chance of further disfigurement doesnt or wouldnt bottleneck his ability to amp his strength in a fight because each time he gets hit, he gets stronger by default. And if for some reason he doesnt release that extra energy, he knows the consequences and will do so.

We've seen his powers ignored on the instance mentioned. In other instances, hes taken quick and powerful attacks and has absorbed it. Some even when caught off guard. Rogue doing so considering they were the same cl is called bs.

Guido.