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Who is stronger, Imperiex or Galactus?

Imperiex. Pretty sure this was already done.

Yes it has...

Galactus for the win.

Mighty Galactus ftw

Imperiex.

galactus

Galactus gets owned by entropy.

Originally posted by Estacado
Imperiex.

Imperiex. Easily.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Imperiex. Easily.

Forget that galactus has the ultimate nullifier? Imperiex would be toast in seconds. Hell, Galactus can obliterate the entire DCU if he really felt like it.

no way imperiex is anywhere close.

How can you nullify entropy?

Entropy itself is the end....

Imperiex is the the end and rebirth.....

Originally posted by Avlon
How can you nullify entropy?

Entropy itself is the end....

Imperiex is the the end and rebirth.....

The nullifier was powerful enough to eliminate the entire multiverse and then rebuild it simultaneously. It can rewrite entire TIMELINES and edit events out of existence. The nullifier is very much capable of destroying reality and rewriting a new one in which imperiex never came into being.

unless you have scans somewhere that would put imperiex at a power level greater than the entire marvel multiverse combined, he loses HARD here.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
The nullifier was powerful enough to eliminate the entire multiverse and then rebuild it simultaneously. It can rewrite entire TIMELINES and edit events out of existence. The nullifier is very much capable of destroying reality and rewriting a new one in which imperiex never came into being.

Ok, and Imperiex is both Entropy and Rebirth...

Originally posted by Space M ummy
unless you have scans somewhere that would put imperiex at a power level greater than the entire marvel multiverse combined, he loses HARD here.

Why would I need to do that when:

A: Galactus loses hard.
B: The nullifier had been kept from him before.
C: How do you destroy Entropy and Rebirth.
D: In JLA/Avengers he couldn't even handle Krona.

B: It has been shown that Galactus can summon the Nullifier at will
C: You can rewrite it with the UN
D: Noncanon

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
B: It has been shown that Galactus can summon the Nullifier at will
C: You can rewrite it with the UN
D: Noncanon
Um no. Have you been reading Trinity. JLAvengers IS CANON. To both companies. Cosmic Egg is a trademarked propety of Marvel. And yet DC has permission to use the term.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
B: It has been shown that Galactus can summon the Nullifier at will
C: You can rewrite it with the UN
D: Noncanon

B: It has been kept from him.
C: It has been threatened to be used against him.
D: It's a stronger example than what you have.

B: PIS
C: PIS It was later revealed by Galactus himself that he can will it back into his possession at his command. Reed threatened him and he fleed. In a later issue Abraxas tried the same thing and Galactus summoned it back to his own hand. So are you telling me that Reed is greater than Abraxas?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
B: PIS
C: PIS It was later revealed by Galactus himself that he can will it back into his possession at his command. Reed threatened him and he fleed. In a later issue Abraxas tried the same thing and Galactus summoned it back to his own hand. So are you telling me that Reed is greater than Abraxas?


Reed is the ultimate plot device itself.when situation need to govern reed > everyone.

Originally posted by skygunner41
Reed is the ultimate plot device itself.when situation need to govern reed > everyone.

You know what!......damn...I think you're right.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um no. Have you been reading Trinity. JLAvengers IS CANON. To both companies. Cosmic Egg is a trademarked propety of Marvel. And yet DC has permission to use the term.

Sorry what do you mean the term Cosmic Egg itself is a trademark of Marvel?

Because the definition "cosmic Egg" has existed since ancient times. First being mentioned by the Hindues, then later in 1930, I believe, it was ressurrected, so I doesn't quiet think that marvel own the right to use the term, but it's very possible that I misunderstood you.

Originally posted by Avlon
B: It has been kept from him.
C: It has been threatened to be used against him.
D: It's a stronger example than what you have.

B: On one maximum two occasions, both times PIS.
C: And Galactus has shown that he can 1. limit it's blast radius. 2. Escape it's nullification.
D. Didn't Krona beat the Grandmaster with the IG? If he did then Krona beating Galactus if really no ground for saying Imperiex > Galactus especially consideret that Imperiex couldn't destroy a universe krona destroyed multiply.

Imperiex can destroy all universes entropy is imperiexs energy.

Galactus for d easy win via nullififcation.

This has been done.

BIG G 6/10

These same people who think Big G would win probably thought he woulda won against Krona and was shocked (shouldn't be) what happened, its like saying he could beat Marvel Entropy. Imperiex

Galactus. Un easily beats him.

even without the UN's power i suspect that Galactus takes the majority

didnt imperiex get beat by superman

Originally posted by jalek moye
didnt imperiex get beat by superman

Didn't Superman also have help beating Imperiex?

Galactus FTW

he may be weaker but I prefer an original over some cheap rippoff

Originally posted by jalek moye
didnt imperiex get beat by superman

nope. it took the Brainiac tech, Warworld, Apokolips, earth and all of Darkseid's omega force just to send Impiriex to the beginning of time. They didn't really defeat him if u think about it..

Imperiex was intended to be > than Galactus by DC. He took on the entire DC universe and almost won. I'm not sure Galactus could do that. I like Galactus better, though, so I vote for him.

Originally posted by tsscls

Imperiex was intended to be > than Galactus by DC.
How does DC decide that?
Originally posted by tsscls

He took on the entire DC universe and almost won.
I'm not sure Galactus could do that.
He'll never need to, cause he only endangers one planet at a time,
and unlike Darkseid, Galactus's intentions are universal-friendly,
G actually would stand on the side of those defending the Universe.

Now, the other showings we've seen of 616 Future-selves of Galactus give us a bit more.

We've seen Galactus, absorbing all of Time-Space,
grant it he couldn't stop himself, but it only displays his capacity for absorption imo.

We also know Galactus destroyed the entire Marvel Universe
while battling the Watcher, G finally won that battle,
then he cracked open his chest and spilt out the next Marvel Universe.

As for 616 G,
we know according to his herald he contains an entire Cosmos withIN him.
We saw Galactus' true form, that of a Star that spews out infinite energy.
Meh, I remember hungry Galactus
absorbing Hyprstorm's connection to the infinite reservoirs of Hyperspace.

616 Galactus isn't going to destroy Universes, even he could, I know he can,
but he will not, cause it's not in his interests, quite the opposite in fact.

Just sayin.

How the fudge did the UN become part of a common tool for Galactus to use?

Originally posted by Red Hulk
How the fudge did the UN become part of a common tool for Galactus to use? When it became known that the UN was part of Galactus being and he can call upon it at will.

Originally posted by Mindset
When it became known that the UN was part of Galactus being and he can call upon it at will. Ya, but that doesn't mean anything... since he prefers not to use it...

I've seen him use it once after Korvac stole knowledge out of his World Ship, now any thread has him using it...

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Ya, but that doesn't mean anything... since he prefers not to use it...

I've seen him use it once after Korvac stole knowledge out of his World Ship, now any thread has him using it...

I guess it's like Supes using t-vo.

imperoiex loses but its a close battle.

Originally posted by Mindset
I guess it's like Supes using t-vo.

Supes has only used T-vo once?

Originally posted by Avlon
Supes has only used T-vo once?

Avlon get away from me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
How does DC decide that?

He'll never need to, cause he only endangers one planet at a time,
and unlike Darkseid, Galactus's intentions are universal-friendly,
G actually would stand on the side of those defending the Universe.

Now, the other showings we've seen of 616 Future-selves of Galactus give us a bit more.

We've seen Galactus, absorbing all of Time-Space,
grant it he couldn't stop himself, but it only displays his capacity for absorption imo.

We also know Galactus destroyed the entire Marvel Universe
while battling the Watcher, G finally won that battle,
then he cracked open his chest and spilt out the next Marvel Universe.

As for 616 G,
we know according to his herald he contains an entire Cosmos withIN him.
We saw Galactus' true form, that of a Star that spews out infinite energy.
Meh, I remember hungry Galactus
absorbing Hyprstorm's connection to the infinite reservoirs of Hyperspace.

616 Galactus isn't going to destroy Universes, even he could, I know he can,
but he will not, cause it's not in his interests, quite the opposite in fact.

Just sayin.

DC decides that because they have a company that publishes comic books. One day, one editor said to another, "Let's make a character that's a bigger threat to the universe than Galactus." The other editor said, "Cool!" Imperiex was born.

The rest of what you said, great, I'm all for! I like Galactus a thousand times more than Imperiex the one trick pony. I was merely stating the intentions of the publisher as I see them.

Originally posted by Avlon
How can you nullify entropy?

Entropy itself is the end....

Imperiex is the the end and rebirth.....

You can repeat it as many times as you like, but nobody's ever going to take it seriously.

I'd have to say the guy who simultaneous kills a universe and rebirths a new one is the Superior of the two. Imperiex is powerful enough to just fight Big G until he needs a meal. Then it's good night.

Then Galactus eats him

Originally posted by joshypooh
imperoiex loses but its a close battle.

How does he lose?...

Originally posted by Mindset
Then Galactus eats him

no. he'd be too weak by then

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'd have to say the guy who simultaneous kills a universe and rebirths a new one is the Superior of the two. Imperiex is powerful enough to just fight Big G until he needs a meal. Then it's good night.

Plus, Imperiex wasn't even defeated really. He was still too powerful.
Galactus has been taken down on numerous occasions.

Originally posted by TheGame17
no. he'd be too weak by then That's why he'd eat him.

Imperiex >> Galactus

Galactus is a sissy. :P

Originally posted by Mindset
Avlon get away from me.

*sniff* you do seem to need a shower dude.

*runs away*

Originally posted by TheGame17
How does he lose?... The un oneshots him,brah.

Galactus wins. More versatility, better feats and a funnier hat.

Imperiex the wielder of Big Bang FTW.

Considering the future descendant of hulk and his gang of future super-friend managed to beat Galactus even though they lost a lot of people in Millar's Fantastic Four, I'll say imperiex

Originally posted by Mindset
That's why he'd eat him.
Imperiex would destroy a hungry Galactus.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Considering the future descendant of hulk and his gang of future super-friend managed to beat Galactus even though they lost a lot of people in Millar's Fantastic Four, I'll say imperiex QFT

How come no one mentions battles when Galactus was beaten by the FF.....but when it comes to Darkseid they always come up with "ZOMG he wuz biten by ZuPerMan"?

Originally posted by Estacado
How come no one mentions battles when Galactus was beaten by the FF.....but when it comes to Darkseid they always come up with "ZOMG he wuz biten by ZuPerMan"?



QFT..I wonder Why.?Stevie Wonder..

Originally posted by Estacado
How come no one mentions battles when Galactus was beaten by the FF.....but when it comes to Darkseid they always come up with "ZOMG he wuz biten by ZuPerMan"?

Because he's a Marvel dude. Therefore he automatically gets the benefits of the doubt.

Galan will get owned just like when Krona stopped for his visit.

shifty

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Galactuslol1.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Galactuslol2.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Galactuslol3.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Galactuslol4.jpg

Galactus owns his knock off.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Galactus owns his knock off.
Imperiex is the entropy of the end of the universe and the energies of the birth of a new one. Nothing at all like what Galactus does.

Originally posted by vansonbee

For shame, bringing low showing to the field


What's funny, the only reason all that pis is taking place,
(even though it's a starving Galactus it's still nonsense for heroes to put up a fight)
is because it's 616 characters that must survive in the end, and ultimately must win,
although even the win finally arrives through a plot device, like the UN in Reed's hands.

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FF with the UN "defeated" hungry Galactus?

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/148/g1vo3.th.jpg

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2210/g2re5.th.jpg



Well, ... "What if" the plot device (UN) would have been taken away from Reed?

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1673/g3gm7.th.jpg

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7664/g4je4.th.jpg

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Well, I'll show yall what happens in the next post!

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Originally posted by Superherovandal
Considering the future descendant of hulk and his gang of future super-friend managed to beat Galactus even though they lost a lot of people in Millar's Fantastic Four, I'll say imperiex


Alternate Galactus?

This is what happens ... when PIS for the sake of the heroes is not necessary.


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First ... hungry Galactus, with a thought, erases Uatu from existence:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7344/g5zl7.th.jpg


Uatu is the guy who can hold a new born Universe in his hands like a jelly bean,
and then actually proceed to place it his chest, wow.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816091_Uatu.jpg

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Sue, Reed, Ben, & Johnny run for their lives into an underground bunker:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4449/g6db3.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/313/92899340ra2.th.jpg
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But the Avengers attack:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6514/g7lm4.th.jpg


Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver get vaporized first:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8229/g8ct4.th.jpg

* note * Notice Captain America's shield protects him against hungry Galactus,
respect Cap's shield yall!

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Giant Man gets owned next:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3681/g9kk8.th.jpg


Iron Man and Captain America (without shield now) then die:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7121/g10gm5.th.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/733/g11lh3.th.jpg

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Thor then begins to battle the Silver Surfer:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/191/g12dh9.th.jpg


Silver Surfer kills Thor:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2189/g13yw1.th.jpg

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Hungry Galactus finally feeds:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/577/g14xr5.th.jpg

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yawn

Originally posted by Mindset

Then Galactus eats him

Imperiex possesses the energy of the big bang. His energies are probably too large for Galactus to absorb. Besides Galactus has a weakness which Imperiex doesn't: his cosmic hunger. Galactus requires unknown energies obtainable only from a certain type of planets in order to sustain his life. The suitable type of planet need not be one where life is present, but it must have the potential to support life.

Both Galactus and Imperiex require a shell or armor. Galactus requires an armor to regulate his internal energies while Imperiex requires a shell to give it material form. While Galactus can probably be destroyed, Imperiex cannot. Imperiex can only be dissipated and not actually destroyed. This is why i think Imperiex is stronger than Galactus.

Galactus absorbs the omniverse, but Imperiex is too much?

Originally posted by vansonbee
For shame, bringing low showing to the field awesrug

Low showing ?

Pff ..

It's his average. shifty

Originally posted by Mr Master


What's funny, the only reason all that pis is taking place,
(even though it's a starving Galactus it's still nonsense for heroes to put up a fight)
is because it's 616 characters that must survive in the end, and ultimately must win,
although even the win finally arrives through a plot device, like the UN in Reed's hands.


I lol'ed at this pretty hard.

Originally posted by Bentley
Galactus absorbs the omniverse, but Imperiex is too much?
When has Galactus of the 616 ever absorbed the Omniverse? Hell how many people in marvel have power over the Omniverse now? my head hurts.

Originally posted by X-43D

Imperiex possesses the energy of the big bang.
His energy are probably too large for Galactus to absorb.
616 future-self Galactus was once in the process of absorbing,
"all of Time & Space" ... or ... "all of Existence" ...
... or quite frankly ... "the Omniverse."

According to Kang & Nebula, GOTG, and Reed Richards.

We know Byrne had Galactus create the next Marvel Universe in the future.
We know 616 Galactus contains infinite energy,
proven when he returned to his natural state on panel.
Which further confirms his herald's claim that states,
616 Galactus contains an entire Cosmos inside him.
And to cement that as fact, we have the Annihilation arc,
which not only corroborated
but even enhanced that claim,
by stating that Annihilation's hungry 616 Galactus
contains sufficient energy within him to obliterate 616 and the Negative Zone.

... wow.
Originally posted by X-43D

Besides Galactus has a weakness which Imperiex doesn't his cosmic hunger.
Galactus requires unknown energies
obtainable only from a certain type of planets in order to sustain his life.
Galactus has proven he can absorb Time and Space, which contains reality.

He's also absorbed Hyperstorm's connection to a separate infinite source (Hyperspace)
and he's demonstrated the ability to absorbed
isolated pocket universes like Mephisto's realm.

To name a few other sources besides planets.

Originally posted by fangirl101
When has Galactus of the 616 ever absorbed the Omniverse? Hell how many people in marvel have power over the Omniverse now? my head hurts. Galactus devouring the Omniverse is not having power over it.

Well, I certainly have to say that Marvel throws the control of the omniverse a little easy these days. But it isn't my fault in the least.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Won't even tell ya how many times you make me do that. sadwalk

Originally posted by fangirl101

When has Galactus of the 616 ever absorbed the Omniverse?
It was 616 Galactus 15 years in the future.

Taimut tweaked Galactus' ability to stop feeding,
so Galactus just fed infinitely, since evidently his storage capacity is ... well, infinite.

Again, 616 Galactus is a containment unit for infinite energy:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816305_g4xj1.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816306_g5no4.jpg

So, I'm not surprised by 616 future Galactus' showings.
Besides the fact
that future Galactus also created the next Marvel Universe,
and used the energies withIN him to do so.

Still Imperiex win.

Originally posted by skygunner41
Still Imperiex win.

Yes, because he is from DC!

Originally posted by Bentley
Yes, because he is from DC! no. Becuz this is the most current versions of each Character. Everything master is saying Galactus did that is "uber" is in the future.

Originally posted by fangirl101
no. Becuz this is the most current versions of each Character. Everything master is saying Galactus did that is "uber" is in the future.

I know that, Galactus however has the UN, nothing changes that right.

I have to add that the feats that Imperiex has are not that impressive. If Galactus destroys his hide he can send him to the past to avoid his explosion, right?

Originally posted by fangirl101

no. Becuz this is the most current versions of each Character.

Everything master is saying Galactus did that is "uber" is in the future.
That's true, but technically speaking it's still the same 616 Galactus, but in the future,
no mention of power-ups.

Also fangirl if we take dates into a technicality as well,
we notice FF#341 was published in 1990,
the future event is supposedly taking place 15 in the future, that lands on 2005.

So, that point has been reached,
now of course, we didn't see any of this happen in 2005,
because back in issue #341,
Galactus erased himself, and that period of time from existence, so it never took place.

Byrne's future vision of Galactus hasn't been thwarted that I know of.

But fangirl, 616 Galactus has also been depicted as containing infinite energy.

I posted the two scans in the prior page.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's true, but technically speaking it's still the same 616 Galactus, but in the future,
no mention of power-ups.

Also fangirl if we take dates into a technicality as well,
we notice FF#341 was published in 1990,
the future event is supposedly taking place 15 in the future, that lands on 2005.

So, that point has been reached,
now of course, we didn't see any of this happen in 2005,
because back in issue #341,
Galactus erased himself, and that period of time from existence, so it never took place.

Byrne's future vision of Galactus hasn't been thwarted that I know of.

But fangirl, 616 Galactus has also been depicted as containing infinite energy.

I posted the two scans in the prior page.
A guy containing infinite energy needs to feed and gets pwned by the Thing. Come on now.

Originally posted by Bentley

I know that, Galactus however has the UN
I've lately landed at thinking
that the UN may have erased, then created the entire Marvel Universe,
not just the prime Multiverse as I thought for years.

Based on this imo:

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Roma (Omniversal Guardian) makes it clear:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792417_Ab2.jpg

"And if we do not act soon ... All of Time will be lost to us"


Roma, is the celestial guardian of all Time across the Omniverse,
is Abraxas a Multiversal power of Omniversal significance?
Or is Abraxas the conceptual destroyer of the Omniverse?

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Evidently, Eternity's form is the substance of all creation, as in the Omniverse,
although Eternity's consciousness only stretches across the prime Multiverse.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816415_R2.jpg

"Eternity ... withIN it, all that ever was, ever is or ever will be, exists."


To Roma, "all that ever was, ever is or ever will be" ... is the Omniverse. hm

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This is thought provoking evidence imo.

In DC, All timelines eminate from the New Earth one. So anyone powerful enough to erase that time line and start it over is ineffect powerful enough to erase it all.

Originally posted by fangirl101

A guy containing infinite energy needs to feed
That energy's purpose isn't for battle,
it's energy reserved withIN him for the end of the Universe,
in order to create the next/new Marvel Universe.

His storage capacity has no end apparently,
as he continues to absorb and never ceases to need more
while containing an infinite amount already.
Originally posted by fangirl101

and gets pwned by the Thing.
... So I see you took that hungry Galactus PIS showing to heart.

But you completely ignored what happens when the PIS is removed:

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First ... hungry Galactus, with a thought, erases Uatu from existence:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7344/g5zl7.th.jpg


Uatu is the guy who can hold a new born Universe in his hands like a jelly bean,
and then actually proceed to place it his chest, wow.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816091_Uatu.jpg

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Sue, Reed, Ben, & Johnny run for their lives into an underground bunker:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4449/g6db3.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/313/92899340ra2.th.jpg


What happened to the Thing pwning?

Originally posted by Mr Master
That energy's purpose isn't for battle,
it's energy reserved withIN him for the end of the Universe,
in order to create the next/new Marvel Universe.

His storage capacity has no end apparently,
as he continues to absorb and never ceases to need more
while containing an infinite amount already.

... So I see you took that hungry Galactus PIS showing to heart.

But you completely ignored what happens when the PIS is removed:

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First ... hungry Galactus, with a thought, erases Uatu from existence:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7344/g5zl7.th.jpg


Uatu is the guy who can hold a new born Universe in his hands like a jelly bean,
and then actually proceed to place it his chest, wow.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816091_Uatu.jpg

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Sue, Reed, Ben, & Johnny run for their lives into an underground bunker:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4449/g6db3.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/313/92899340ra2.th.jpg


What happened to the Thing pwning?
That was a what if? Yeah. Ok.

So you're using a starving Galactus from 40 years ago as evidence?

Originally posted by Mindset
So you're using a starving Galactus from 40 years ago as evidence? Who the heck are you talking to? I'm not using anything from the silver age as evidence. the low showings and high showings at marvel were silly. galactus gets pwned by Thing and Odin kills galaxies? All crap. Galactus is a galaxy buster. Imperiex is a Universe buster. Doesn't matter what energies they contain with in them. It's about what they do in a fight or in feats.

Originally posted by fangirl101

In DC, All timelines eminate from the New Earth one.
So anyone powerful enough to erase that time line and start it over
is ineffect powerful enough to erase it all.
That's cool, and for the most part, that works on 616 as well.

But on panel,
Roma stated that Eternity's form contains the Omniverse.

On panel, it was Eternity's form that was erased, then created anew:

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1203/30548692nx7.th.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5903/f2zs6.th.jpg


Now, we know that at the very least, the prime Multiverse was re-created,
but what's interesting is, that Abraxas' bio states "The Universe" ...

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816500_AB.jpg

Now, we know when Marvel refers to multiple/infinite Realities as "The Universe"
they actually mean the entire Marvel Universe, which is everything as in the Omniverse.

Don't know why I didn't realize that before, can't believe I overlooked those Roma scans.

Originally posted by fangirl101
A guy containing infinite energy needs to feed and gets pwned by the Thing . Come on now.

Originally posted by fangirl101

That was a what if? Yeah. Ok.
Actually, that's What if the FF stepped to hungry Galactus without hero protective PIS.

Notice how the Universe wielding Uatu got erased from existence with a gesture.

Again, this is one of those places where we can find a high showing of G without pis interrupting.

616 hungry Galactus easily defeats Hyperstorm like a child.

Hyperstorm, unlimited potential, indeed, connected to an infinite reservoir of energy,
he even controlled his entire Universe, and was out to take em all.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816525_Hype3.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816526_hype4.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816527_hype5.jpg

As shown above, Hyperstorm wanted to battle,
hungry Galactus was like, I don't even need to fight you son,
I'll instead just take all your energy.

Stomp ...

Originally posted by fangirl101
Who the heck are you talking to? I'm not using anything from the silver age as evidence. the low showings and high showings at marvel were silly. galactus gets pwned by Thing and Odin kills galaxies? All crap. Galactus is a galaxy buster. Imperiex is a Universe buster. Doesn't matter what energies they contain with in them. It's about what they do in a fight or in feats.

Galactus also gets established numerous times as the most powerful physical entity in the universe by the narrator in all the cases Stan Lee and Jack Kirby was the writer, Later to further give a impression of the powerlevel of the Abstracts we have Kubik taking about the greater powers in the universe, Galactus is one of them, Kubik is a universal power but sees Galactus as a Being above himself. Most Lately we have the annihilus incident, where Galactus is going to be used as a cosmic bomb to destroy the 616 reality and the negative zone, Thanos knew that Galactus had the capacity to do it, else he wouldn't have acted to stop Annihilus.

In both the regular and even the what if scenarios, one thing is agreed on.

Galactus apparently cannot survive the destruction of the universe. Both times that Richards asked him...he backed off.

Canon 616

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/148/g1vo3.th.jpg

What if (Non Canon)

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7664/g4je4.th.jpg

The mere mention of the destruction of it is enough to deter him. With that said, in the What if...another interesting incident happens...

Reed is holding the UN and gets OWNED by Surfer...meaning that wielding it does not make you invincible nor does it grant you protection in any way.

Galactus can be drained. Annihilation is proof of it.
Galactus gets weak. Plenty of storylines show this.
Galactus cannot stand entropic energy for long. Annihilation is proof of it.
Galactus can die.

Interesting stuff though.

Using a what if as proof?

Fail!!

So the last few pages are useless because what if's and alternate/future timelines were shown/discussed?

I don't know, if people come out thinking exactly the same thing without knowing anything else they did not know before you kind of have to wonder if they are useless.

Originally posted by Avlon
In both the regular and even the what if scenarios, one thing is agreed on.

Galactus apparently cannot survive the destruction of the universe. Both times that Richards asked him...he backed off.

Canon 616

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/148/g1vo3.th.jpg
Galactus never asserted he couldn't survive the end of the Universe,
his fear is of the UN itself, which can nullify him,
although, that in itself would collapse everything anyways.

Still, Galactus can survive the end of the Universe,
he did so already in the future, when one end of the Universe came about.
Originally posted by Avlon

What if (Non Canon)

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7664/g4je4.th.jpg

The mere mention of the destruction of it is enough to deter him.
What if's aren't non-canon,
they're actually situated in a Universe withIN the prime Marvel Multiverse.

(they're diverge alternate mirrors of 616)

The difference is, that although they are copies of 616,
since they diverged/split from 616, they are instead alternate realities.

But really, the only alternate reality is that history has taken a different path,
but it involves the same exact characters,
with the same exact power-set as the one's from 616,
only seen from two separate perspectives.

Originally Reed with the UN made Galactus concede,
then, a split in time-space took place, another identical 616 Universe popped into existence,
this 616 copy shares every detail with the original 616 up until that point it split,
then it takes on a history of its own.

So in 616 Galactus concedes, in the 616 copy, SS takes the UN away from Reed,
Galactus pwns everyone, including disintegrating Uatu.

Grant it, many What ifs are retarded.

* edit * ... and I don't ever use them, or condone it,
I was actually trying to make a point.
Originally posted by Avlon

With that said, in the What if...another interesting incident happens...

Reed is holding the UN and gets OWNED by Surfer...meaning that wielding it does not make you invincible nor does it grant you protection in any way.
Reed isn't Galactus.

Originally posted by Mr Master
616 hungry Galactus easily defeats Hyperstorm like a child.

Hyperstorm, unlimited potential, indeed, connected to an infinite reservoir of energy,
he even controlled his entire Universe, and was out to take em all.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816525_Hype3.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816526_hype4.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/816527_hype5.jpg

As shown above, Hyperstorm wanted to battle,
hungry Galactus was like, I don't even need to fight you son,
I'll instead just take all your energy.

Stomp ... Yeah,Galactus wins.

Imperiex wins.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Imperiex wins. How does he survive the un?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does he survive the un? Oh stop whining it's just a thread

Originally posted by iceman24567
Oh stop whining it's just a thread I didnt whine I asked you a question. You seem to dodge every question thrown your way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didnt whine I asked you a question. You seem to dodge every question thrown your way. You seem to ask questions you already know the answer for . Imperiex > Galactus is that simple enough for you?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus never asserted he couldn't survive the end of the Universe,
his fear is of the UN itself, which can nullify him,
although, that in itself would collapse everything anyways.

Perhaps. However, Richards asked him specifically "should the universe crumbled, should Galactus survive?" and that was seemed to deter him just fine.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still, Galactus can survive the end of the Universe,
he did so already in the future, when one end of the Universe came about.

So has the Flash. Alternate futures aren't canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What if's aren't non-canon,
they're actually situated in a Universe withIN the prime Marvel Multiverse.

(they're diverge alternate mirrors of 616)

The difference is, that although they are copies of 616,
since they diverged/split from 616, they are instead alternate realities.

But really, the only alternate reality is that history has taken a different path,
but it involves the same exact characters,
with the same exact power-set as the one's from 616,
only seen from two separate perspectives.

Originally Reed with the UN made Galactus concede,
then, a split in time-space took place, another identical 616 Universe popped into existence,
this 616 copy shares every detail with the original 616 up until that point it split,
then it takes on a history of its own.

So in 616 Galactus concedes, in the 616 copy, SS takes the UN away from Reed,
Galactus pwns everyone, including disintegrating Uatu.



Grant it, many What ifs are retarded.

It makes for an interesting story, but it isn't canon and thus not valid as proof.

Originally posted by Mr Master
* edit * ... and I don't ever use them, or condone it,
I was actually trying to make a point.

Ok...glad we agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed isn't Galactus.

Wasn't there a story somewhere where he was?

galactus>imperiex
mr.master>fanbitch lol

Originally posted by Avlon

Perhaps. However, Richards asked him specifically "should the universe crumbled, should Galactus survive?" and that was seemed to deter him just fine.
I'm confident Galactus was repelled because of the UN being used on him.

On Panel that's what took place, and Galactus' 2006 bio confirms this.
Originally posted by Avlon

So has the Flash. Alternate futures aren't canon.
In Marvel they are canon, again,
it's just not 616 characters anymore because they're situated in the future,
but they still are characters from the prime Marvel Multiverse.

Something that isn't canon, means it doesn't exist in any sense of the word.

Alternate futures (every possible 616 future)
diverged realities (What if-types)
alternate mirrors of 616 (parallel worlds)
all exist, all are Universes withIN the Marvel Omniverse
so all are canon to the Marvelverse.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9108/omni2mt9.th.jpg

The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse as we know.

That's what the Omniverse is, every alternate possible Universe in Marvel:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7541/omni3py5.th.jpg

*note* Universes separate from the 616 Reality
are obviously not part of the 616 present Timeline continuity.
Originally posted by Avlon

It makes for an interesting story, but it isn't canon and thus not valid as proof.
It seems DC & Marvel play those cards differently.
Originally posted by Avlon

Ok...glad we agree.
For the record though, it's not because they're "non-canon" ...
it's because they're situated in alternate realities,
and that many times, becomes an excuse for writers to go rogue in their stories.
Originally posted by Avlon

Wasn't there a story somewhere where he was?
Where Reed was Galactus?

Not that I know of.

Reed did become Eternity in an alternate parallel Universe.

Still Imperiex Entropy > anything Galactus can muster.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm confident Galactus was repelled because of the UN being used on him.

On Panel that's what took place, and Galactus' 2006 bio confirms this.

Perhaps so, and not that I'm doubting you. Back then they probably hadn't truly fleshed things out and thus the bio may reflect it. However ON PANEL in both 616 and in the What if you posted, Richards brings up the destruction of the universe and Galactus immediately surrenders.

Imperiex's feats destroying and restarting the universe are one's he's already done, and multiple times. He also has an infinite supply of entropic energy at his disposal. Under Galan's admission the crunch would have been too much for him. The guy also weakens while Imperiex doesn't. It's like DC custom made the guy to beat him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
In Marvel they are canon, again,
it's just not 616 characters anymore because they're situated in the future,
but they still are characters from the prime Marvel Multiverse.

Something that isn't canon, means it doesn't exist in any sense of the word.

Alternate futures (every possible 616 future)
diverged realities (What if-types)
alternate mirrors of 616 (parallel worlds)
all exist, all are Universes withIN the Marvel Omniverse
so all are canon to the Marvelverse.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9108/omni2mt9.th.jpg

The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse as we know.

That's what the Omniverse is, every alternate possible Universe in Marvel:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7541/omni3py5.th.jpg

*note* Universes separate from the 616 Reality
are obviously not part of the 616 present Timeline continuity.

It seems DC & Marvel play those cards differently.

Actually, they are more similar than you think my friend...although that doesn't matter by the rules here:



Galactus may have the potential to be as poweful as imperiex based on future timelines, but then again so does Superman if we go by potential.


Originally posted by Mr Master
For the record though, it's not because they're "non-canon" ...
it's because they're situated in alternate realities,
and that many times, becomes an excuse for writers to go rogue in their stories.

I agree. However, it's still an imaginary story however close they may get it to the original. In an alternate reality, Brainiac using Imperiex's power completely took over the very fabric of reality.

Also, in one of your own examples, wasn't the IG extremely toned down as compared to 616?




Originally posted by Mr Master
Where Reed was Galactus?

Not that I know of.

Reed did become Eternity in an alternate parallel Universe.

Something just tingles in the back of my head. Figured if anyone might know...it would be you amigo.

Meh, I think I'll switch my vote from Imperiex to Galactus, all things considered.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You seem to ask questions you already know the answer for . Imperiex > Galactus is that simple enough for you? Do you think that Imperiex could survive the un?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think that Imperiex could survive the un?


Do you think that Galactus could survive the entropy.?

Originally posted by Nestical
galactus>imperiex
mr.master>fanbitch lol Stop.

Originally posted by skygunner41
Do you think that Galactus could survive the entropy.?

I do.

And no, Imperiex wouldn't survive the UN.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I do.

And no, Imperiex wouldn't survive the UN.



How would you know that?

Originally posted by Enyalus
I do.

And no, Imperiex wouldn't survive the UN.
Um, The UN would destroy Imperiex. why would it? He's already entropy. The most powerful destructive force in the DCU.

Originally posted by skygunner41
How would you know that?

It erases abstract level beings. That's what it does. Capable of wiping out any one of the Celestial Trinity, for instance. Capable of wiping out an entire multiverse. No, Imperiex cannot withstand it. Think Darkseid's Omega Effect x1,000. Conservative estimate.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, The UN would destroy Imperiex. why would it? He's already entropy. The most powerful destructive force in the DCU.

The UN is capable of wiping out concepts. It isn't like the UN uses entropy to destroy things. We don't know what it uses to do what it does. Saying he's entropy is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It erases abstract level beings. That's what it does. Capable of wiping out any one of the Celestial Trinity, for instance. Capable of wiping out an entire multiverse. No, Imperiex cannot withstand it. Think Darkseid's Omega Effect x1,000. Conservative estimate.
And what does that have to do with Entropy? The UN couldn't wipe out Entropy in the DCU. It would get pwned. And the UN isn't even standard gear for Galactus.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And what does that have to do with Entropy? The UN couldn't wipe out Entropy in the DCU. It would get pwned.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with that.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And the UN isn't even standard gear for Galactus.

And I'm going to agree with that. I don't know why people felt the need to bring it into this debate in the first place. That's like saying Diana's sword is standard gear (which, correct me if I'm wrong - normally is not).

Imperiex > Abraxas?

Just wondering

Originally posted by fangirl101
And what does that have to do with Entropy? The UN couldn't wipe out Entropy in the DCU. It would get pwned.


That's a weak argument. Fights are in a neutral universe, remember?

Galactus has only said that crunch energies harm him when he harness them (and he obviously implies that he can be harmed by them when attacked). In his whole history, Galactus has only stated once that crunch energies can kill him, however, we know he already defeated two abstract level entities that harness them.

Galan is also much more versatile than Imperiex, he has more and better feats, he is established as capable of destroying the universe in Annihilation and he has already survived the destruction of his universe. He may as well survive the next (read Mr Master's scans).

So what gives? Just because Imperiex "is entropy" the fact he was time looped and pwned doesn't stands?

He was time looped when imprisoned and he was ''pwned'' by a kismet amped superman and a guy who wields power that was called the right hand of god himself....of course that all due to pis which doesn't exist here so none of that would happen here imperiex would actually fight,imperiexs strongest attacks unleashing entropy should end galactus.

Originally posted by Bentley
That's a weak argument. Fights are in a neutral universe, remember?

Galactus has only said that crunch energies harm him when he harness them (and he obviously implies that he can be harmed by them when attacked). In his whole history, Galactus has only stated once that crunch energies can kill him, however, we know he already defeated two abstract level entities that harness them.

Galan is also much more versatile than Imperiex, he has more and better feats, he is established as capable of destroying the universe in Annihilation and he has already survived the destruction of his universe. He may as well survive the next (read Mr Master's scans).

So what gives? Just because Imperiex "is entropy" the fact he was time looped and pwned doesn't stands?
If Entropy is the Ultimate destructive force in DC, that Means that it is the equal to what ever is the most destructive force in marvel. Which would pwn Galactus. what ever it is. That is what neutral universe means.

Originally posted by Bentley
That's a weak argument. Fights are in a neutral universe, remember?

we know he already defeated two abstract level entities that harness them.




Abstract level ...last time I check they are not really that powerful enough to be considered abstract level...

Its funny. I remeber some time ago arguing with someone who claimed that sundipped superman survived entropy easily. Obviously i suspected he as lying but if he asnt and this is true then why cant galactus survive it as well?

Originally posted by skygunner41
Do you think that Galactus could survive the entropy.? Galactus would have beaten sundipped Sooperman in like 2 seconds flat.

Originally posted by joshypooh
Galactus would have beaten sundipped Sooperman in like 2 seconds flat.
When did a sun dipped Superman do anything to Imperiex?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He was time looped when imprisoned and he was ''pwned'' by a kismet amped superman and a guy who wields power that was called the right hand of god himself....of course that all due to pis which doesn't exist here so none of that would happen here imperiex would actually fight,imperiexs strongest attacks unleashing entropy should end galactus.

Do we have feats making Kismet as powerful as you stated or shall we call it hyperbole?

Originally posted by fangirl101
If Entropy is the Ultimate destructive force in DC, that Means that it is the equal to what ever is the most destructive force in marvel. Which would pwn Galactus. what ever it is. That is what neutral universe means.

Wishful thinking, by that same note the most destructive force in the Preacherverse would be equal to the most destructive force in Marvel too. Not implying that one universe is more powerful than another, just pointing that this is not an equality must.

If you have scans of entropy being the most destructive force in the universe I would like to see them. Aren't there stronger things at all in the DC universe? Did the AM use entropy to destroy the infinite earths?

Asking to inform myself.

Originally posted by skygunner41
Abstract level ...last time I check they are not really that powerful enough to be considered abstract level...

You have a point there I guess, make it an elder god level being then.

Originally posted by Bentley
You have a point there I guess, make it an elder god level being then.

Were you referring to Tenebrous & Aegis?

Originally posted by fangirl101
If Entropy is the Ultimate destructive force in DC, that Means that it is the equal to what ever is the most destructive force in marvel. Which would pwn Galactus. what ever it is. That is what neutral universe means.

I don't know. AM was certainly more destructive obviously, so if you're talking about just the pure scale of destructive power, you'd be incorrect.

However I'm under the impression you mean "most destructive" as in, not literally meaning "capable of wielding the most devastating powers" but more "representing the most destructive natural force in DC."

If you and I have the same definition, then Imperiex's counterpart in Marvel is Abraxas, the abstract embodiment of destruction in the Marvel Universe.

Taking this into consideration, someone mentioned all the agents in play that necessitated banishing Imperiex to the beginning of time, where he found the imperfection he obsessed about was himself. So essentially, Superman, Darkseid and the rest were more interested in containing imperiex.

Let's note now that under these assumptions of equivalence, who/what contains Abraxas? Galactus does. Much of Galactus' energies are devoted to keeping Abraxas imprisonned *full time*.

That's actually a bit impressive considering how people may immediately dismiss Galactus out of his league here, when Galactus alone is responsible for actually perpetually restraining the manifestation of an entity that makes Imperiex look like Scarecrow.

Originally posted by Avlon

Perhaps so, and not that I'm doubting you.
Back then they probably hadn't truly fleshed things out and thus the bio may reflect it.

However ON PANEL in both 616 and in the What if you posted,
Richards brings up the destruction of the universe and Galactus immediately surrenders.
The 616 and What if scenario are the same because like I said before,
What ifs are identical copies of everything that has happened in 616
until the point of divergence.

In this case, the point of divergence was SS taking the UN from Reed,
after Reed asked his question, "can Galactus survive?"
which Galactus never answered.

For real Av ... it was the UN Galactus was concerned with primarily:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - Galactus bio 2005)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/818517_UN3.jpg


The reason? ... According to the UN's 2006 bio, it can destroy Galactus:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/818518_UN1.jpg


Also Av., Galactus might've been just as concerned for the Universe, as for himself,
whether he would survive or not, the worries would be the same,
remember, Galactus is really a defender of Universal consonance.

This is probably why the UN's bio account of the Reed/UN incident,
tells us, Galactus was afraid of what an untrained mind might accomplish:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/818519_UN2.jpg

Whether it's wiping out the Universe, or wiping him out,
neither scenario is in Galactus' interest.
Although, wiping out Galactus,
would essentially bring forth the end of the Universe anyway.

Seems like a catch 22.
Originally posted by Avlon

Imperiex's feats destroying and restarting the universe are one's he's already done,
and multiple times.
Galactus hasn't,
but only because the current Marvel Universe's natural end has not arrived yet.
It is at this time, that Galactus' second cosmic function come into play,
re-create the Omniverse. (the next Marvel Universe)
Originally posted by Avlon

He also has an infinite supply of entropic energy at his disposal.
Under Galan's admission the crunch would have been too much for him.

The guy also weakens while Imperiex doesn't.
It's like DC custom made the guy to beat him.
I posted the scans where 616 Galactus can absorb infinite energy,
and where 616 Galactus is composed of infinite energy.

There are details concerning that crunch bit btw.
Originally posted by Avlon

Actually, they are more similar than you think my friend...
although that doesn't matter by the rules here
Right, I wasn't using that What if issue as ammo against Imperiex,
I was making a point to fangirl, that didn't seem to go over to well.

Still, for the record, alternate realities (mirrors/futures/divergences)
are all canon to the Marvel Omniverse.

And/but yes I agree,
none of these stories taking place outside of 616, (alternate realities)
should be considered as a means to define a 616 character in a vs thread.
Originally posted by Avlon

Galactus may have the potential to be as poweful as imperiex based on future timelines,
but then again so does Superman if we go by potential.
Well, the future where Galactus was about to consume the entire Omniverse,
arrived in 2005, although that future was nullified by Galactus in 1990,
so it never got here, or ever will.

Byrne's future, is a picture of the end of the entire Marvel Universe,
which happens to come about in a battle between Galactus & Ecce,
Galactus, using his stored energies, then ultimately creates a new Marvel Universe.

Since it's a 616 future, like all 616 futures, it's a possible future,
so we'll never know if it's the definitive future of the 616 reality.

We do have G's herald,
stating 616 Galactus does indeed contain an entire Cosmos inside him.
We also have Annihilation, which told us even the energy stores of a hungry G,
would obliterate the 616 reality and the Negative Zone.
Originally posted by Avlon

However, it's still an imaginary story however close they may get it to the original.
Actually, it's not an imaginary story good friend,
it's a story that did take place withIN the prime Multiverse.

There is a Universe, that one can reach, where that story took place.

An official mainstream Quasar issue literally deals with this exact subject,
where Quasar travels through a plethora of "What if" UniverseS chasing the Living Laser.
Originally posted by Avlon

Also, in one of your own examples,
wasn't the IG extremely toned down as compared to 616?


Which is why I never use What ifs to debate,
because again,
writers have freer reign with their "What if" stories
since What if realities have split from the mainstream Timeline,
they don't have to adhere to a regulated continuity.

There's 3 sides to a What if, and each can only be judged individually.

1. You got straight up goofy stories.
2. You got stories that follow 616, but then either de-power or over-power a character,
or more commonly, use more PIS than the NJ turnpike waste dumps.
3. You got other stories that follow 616,
and other than the difference in history after the divergence,
are seemingly identical to 616. (rarely though)
Originally posted by Avlon

Something just tingles in the back of my head.
Figured if anyone might know...it would be you amigo.
Meh, knowing Reed, I could've easily missed that, and you may be right.

There's nothing Reed can do anymore, that would surprise me.

Originally posted by Avlon
Were you referring to Tenebrous & Aegis?

Yes. In which level would you put those?

Using what ifs/alternate realities to prove anything, even if most of them are existent in the Marvel Universe is wrong.

Using the scans I put with Thing for anything other than comic relief is wrong.

And one last thing ..

Imperiex wins.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
That's actually a bit impressive considering how people may immediately dismiss Galactus out of his league here, when Galactus alone is responsible for actually perpetually restraining the manifestation of an entity that makes Imperiex look like Scarecrow.

I thought that analogy was very funny.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The 616 and What if scenario are the same because like I said before,
What ifs are identical copies of everything that has happened in 616
until the point of divergence.

In this case, the point of divergence was SS taking the UN from Reed,
after Reed asked his question, "can Galactus survive?"
which Galactus never answered.

For real Av ... it was the UN Galactus was concerned with primarily:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - Galactus bio 2005)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/818517_UN3.jpg


The reason? ... According to the UN's 2006 bio, it can destroy Galactus:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/818518_UN1.jpg


Also Av., Galactus might've been just as concerned for the Universe, as for himself,
whether he would survive or not, the worries would be the same,
remember, Galactus is really a defender of Universal consonance.

This is probably why the UN's bio account of the Reed/UN incident,
tells us, Galactus was afraid of what an untrained mind might accomplish:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/818519_UN2.jpg

Whether it's wiping out the Universe, or wiping him out,
neither scenario is in Galactus' interest.
Although, wiping out Galactus,
would essentially bring forth the end of the Universe anyway.

Seems like a catch 22.

I don't doubt you my friend. Imo, the UN probably wasn't fleshed out all that well at the time. I just found it interesting that it was made to seem like the end of the universe severely scared Galactus (and of course it should) but I'm also aware that the nullifier should scare the bejesus out of him.

You'd figure after nearly having the weapon used on himself, he'd wise up and destroy it. It's not like if Richard's had used it..there would have been a second chance ever again.

Just to drop some knowledge...there is a material similar to what the UN does in DC as well. It's not 100% identical, but it has similar properties. We can take that to PM if you're interested.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus hasn't,
but only because the current Marvel Universe's natural end has not arrived yet.
It is at this time, that Galactus' second cosmic function come into play,
re-create the Omniverse. (the next Marvel Universe)

I posted the scans where 616 Galactus can absorb infinite energy,
and where 616 Galactus is composed of infinite energy.

There are details concerning that crunch bit btw.

Right, I wasn't using that What if issue as ammo against Imperiex,
I was making a point to fangirl, that didn't seem to go over to well.

Still, for the record, alternate realities (mirrors/futures/divergences)
are all canon to the Marvel Omniverse.

And/but yes I agree,
none of these stories taking place outside of 616, (alternate realities)
should be considered as a means to define a 616 character in a vs thread.

Well, the future where Galactus was about to consume the entire Omniverse,
arrived in 2005, although that future was nullified by Galactus in 1990,
so it never got here, or ever will.

Byrne's future, is a picture of the end of the entire Marvel Universe,
which happens to come about in a battle between Galactus & Ecce,
Galactus, using his stored energies, then ultimately creates a new Marvel Universe.

Since it's a 616 future, like all 616 futures, it's a possible future,
so we'll never know if it's the definitive future of the 616 reality.

We do have G's herald,
stating 616 Galactus does indeed contain an entire Cosmos inside him.
We also have Annihilation, which told us even the energy stores of a hungry G,
would obliterate the 616 reality and the Negative Zone.

Actually, it's not an imaginary story good friend,
it's a story that did take place withIN the prime Multiverse.

There is a Universe, that one can reach, where that story took place.

An official mainstream Quasar issue literally deals with this exact subject,
where Quasar travels through a plethora of "What if" UniverseS chasing the Living Laser.

It's all a very tricky matter when it comes to debating on these boards. Branching futures are USUALLY within a characters defined powerset but just aren't allowed. DC 1 Million has Superman as a super-god who powers an entire dynasty of overpowered cosmics that are transcendent and is a direct future as well.

Now even the precrisis future is being linked. The precrisis feats were off the wall insane a lot of the time. This is probably why the rule started in the 1st place to keep things current unless specified.

We do get some hearsay in Annihilation about possibilities which of course are the subject of debate. With Imperiex it has been shown though. These are things that have already been done.

In a branching future, Brainiac 13 became god with Imperiex's power literally taking over everything.

As usual though, it's always good to get some insight from a TRUE debater.



Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is why I never use What ifs to debate,
because again,
writers have freer reign with their "What if" stories
since What if realities have split from the mainstream Timeline,
they don't have to adhere to a regulated continuity.

There's 3 sides to a What if, and each can only be judged individually.

1. You got straight up goofy stories.
2. You got stories that follow 616, but then either de-power or over-power a character,
or more commonly, use more PIS than the NJ turnpike waste dumps.
3. You got other stories that follow 616,
and other than the difference in history after the divergence,
are seemingly identical to 616. (rarely though)

As long as they are enjoyable to read, they can use any of the above. There are quite a few good Elseworlds stories available as well. In the "What if" version where Galactus wins, they sure did take a lot of liberty with Thor's durability next to Surfer's output.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Meh, knowing Reed, I could've easily missed that, and you may be right.

There's nothing Reed can do anymore, that would surprise me.

Well, if it's out there someone will hopefully bring it up. I thought it may have been a "what if" though.

Avlon how would you compare Abraxas to Imperiex?

Originally posted by Mindset
Avlon how would you compare Abraxas to Imperiex?

I'd have to read his entire run to give an accurate estimate. Shame he was nullified. I prefer his design to Galactus by leaps and bounds.

From what I gather, Abraxas had no problem killing apparently hundreds of Galactus...and the nullifier wasn't an issue until Reed got it.

I'd say he's comparable.

The UN was a issue right from the beginning, why do you think Abraxas went through so much trouble to attain it ore keep it out of the reeds hand ore Galactus's for that matter.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'd have to read his entire run to give an accurate estimate. Shame he was nullified. I prefer his design to Galactus by leaps and bounds.

From what I gather, Abraxas had no problem killing apparently hundreds of Galactus...and the nullifier wasn't an issue until Reed got it.

I'd say he's comparable. But you really dont know the context then of this story.Originally posted by Utrigita
The UN was a issue right from the beginning, why do you think Abraxas went through so much trouble to attain it ore keep it out of the reeds hand ore Galactus's for that matter. Un is too powerful. Imperiex loses immediately imo.

Galactus has met his match

"The destiny of Imperiex is written in the stars..

..let nature proceed" !!!

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Galactus has met his match

"The destiny of Imperiex is written in the stars..

..let nature proceed" !!!

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Galactus has met his match

"The destiny of Imperiex is written in the stars..

..let nature proceed" !!! Galactus nature is to keep destruction in check.

Galactus dies

Originally posted by Mindset
Galactus nature is to keep destruction in check.
Imperiex is beyond destruction. He's Destruction and Big Bang energies too.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Imperiex is beyond destruction. He's Destruction and Big Bang energies too. I thought you had me on ignore.

Originally posted by Mindset
I thought you had me on ignore.
I forgive all ignore's daily except Q. He gets a week at a time.