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batman vs elektra hand to hand fight only

no bat toys and no sais


who wins ?

Batman 9/10

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Batman 9/10 isnt elektra a better martial artist

Originally posted by spidey-dude
isnt elektra a better martial artist

Well she is up there, I wouldn't say that she is by any means a incapably fighter.But Batman has her beat because of his overall knowledge of different fighting styles, superb fighting skills , and superior strength. She may be a little faster, but not enough to give her an advantage over Batman.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Batman 9/10

Sounds about right.

Batman invent toys for Elektra sounds like a good time.

Batman FTW 8/10

Batman 8/10. But I think Elektra's close to him on skill. She can hang with Wolverine.

Batman 6/10. Electra has put up some decent tussles against Daredevil, still not enough to say she would gain the advantage on them.

batman more often than not

Give Bruce the win - 7/10

Batman wins 8.9/10

Batman 6 or 7 out of 10.

cant elektra see into the future ? so wont she know what bats is gonna do to her next ?

The Batman in a brutal stomp.

Batman 9/10. Elektra is a good fighter, but not in Batman's league.

Are you people INSANE? Do you even know who Elektra IS?

Wow..

Elektra is a fighter at or above DD's caliber in skill.
She posseses super human speed, and strength.
She's a low level telepath.
AND she's got a ton of quasi-mystical ninja powers like illusions, mind swapping, and shadow melding....

Batman in a curb stomp?
She's not in his league?!?!

Give him his utility belt and he might have a decent shot at taking her down, put him up against Elektra in h2h and imagine what Lady Shiva'd be doing to him if she were on ninja steroids. shock

Originally posted by jinzin
Are you people INSANE? Do you even know who Elektra IS?

Wow..

Elektra is a fighter at or above DD's caliber in skill.
She posseses super human speed, and strength.
She's a low level telepath.
AND she's got a ton of quasi-mystical ninja powers like illusions, mind swapping, and shadow melding....

Batman in a curb stomp?
She's not in his league?!?!

Give him his utility belt and he might have a decent shot at taking her down, put him up against Elektra in h2h and imagine what Lady Shiva'd be doing to him if she were on ninja steroids. shock

isn't DD better than her?

No.... not even close!

He used to be better than her back in the 80s and 90's but not now.. The only reason he was even able to look competative next to her a few times during his fallen arc was because she still loves the guy.

Originally posted by jinzin
No.... not even close!

He used to be better than her back in the 80s and 90's but not now.. The only reason he was even able to look competative next to her a few times during his fallen arc was because she still loves the guy. ok if thats the case then Batman loses

I had no idea she was that formidable

so I assume you think she could beat Captain America ftmajority as well?

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Batman 9/10 Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Batman invent toys for Elektra sounds like a good time.

Batman FTW 8/10 Originally posted by Etrigan
Batman 8/10. But I think Elektra's close to him on skill. She can hang with Wolverine. Originally posted by Daredevil1
Batman 6/10. Electra has put up some decent tussles against Daredevil, still not enough to say she would gain the advantage on them. Originally posted by Neo_Version 7
Give Bruce the win - 7/10 Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Batman wins 8.9/10 Originally posted by jrodslam
Batman 6 or 7 out of 10. Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Batman 9/10. Elektra is a good fighter, but not in Batman's league.


Originally posted by jinzin
Are you people INSANE? Do you even know who Elektra IS?

Wow..

Elektra is a fighter at or above DD's caliber in skill.
She posseses super human speed, and strength.
She's a low level telepath.
AND she's got a ton of quasi-mystical ninja powers like illusions, mind swapping, and shadow melding....

Batman in a curb stomp?
She's not in his league?!?!

Give him his utility belt and he might have a decent shot at taking her down, put him up against Elektra in h2h and imagine what Lady Shiva'd be doing to him if she were on ninja steroids. shock

















Batman 10/10

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist















Batman 10/10

I KILL YOU!

CONFORMIST!




Originally posted by Master-Borg
ok if thats the case then Batman loses

I had no idea she was that formidable

so I assume you think she could beat Captain America ftmajority as well?

Cap might stand a better chance only because between him and Batman his strength is better, and stamina (for all intents and purposes) infinite. Without weapons he'd any fight with Elektra would be one measured by hairs.. Not curbstomps.

Batman more often than not.....

Originally posted by Faceman
Batman more often than not.....
doh

Originally posted by jinzin
doh

Batman.

Once you get killed a dozen times and you get kidnapped by a shape-shifting alien race, your credibility goes down.

Truth.

Oh, and...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/pic015.jpg

Ah yes, I forgot the boot O DEY bat!

Originally posted by jinzin
Ah yes, I forgot the boot O DEY bat!



N00b, you WILL respect his authoritah...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/1qb1.jpg

Originally posted by Master-Borg
ok if thats the case then Batman loses

I had no idea she was that formidable

so I assume you think she could beat Captain America ftmajority as well? without shield by by caps against elektra

Originally posted by Faceman
Batman more often than not.....


Agreed. Electra good but lets face it she isn't better then DD or Batman.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Agreed. Electra good but lets face it she isn't better then DD or Batman.





riiiiiiiiight...


She's only good 'nough to block automatic gunfire with her sais:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5954/automaticbulletblockingyw7.jpg

Weave through multiple shooters firing full auto WITHOUT looking at them:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1728/autobulletweave1jt3.jpg

Fast enough to swipe a gun from Punisher's hands from 5 feet away without him even able to react to it or fathom what just happened:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Elektra/pg_18.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Elektra/pg_19.jpg
Bound around an entire courtyard full of gunmen roughly half the size of a football field without them even realizing what was happening: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8615/boundingve0.jpg

Accruate enough to block the barral of a gun with a sai throw and strong enough to throw the sai so hard it caused his hand to rip of his arm at a speed that sent it going through one end of his KEVLAR through his body and out the other ....:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2321/strongsaithrowdu0.jpg


Strong enough to block and toss aside a sword strike from a suped up Silver Samurai who was sporting class ten strength at the time:

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversamurai2rp0.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversamurai3te3.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversamuraivd4.jpg

Good enough with quasi mystical arts that she's got a file which says this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Elektra/elektra_random04.jpg

Has enough telepathy to instill illusions in people, slow their reflexes and communicate telepathically.
Has enough durability to take a prolonged beating from a guy that embedded Logan into concrete with one charge.
And was straight up good enough to WTFKTFO Taskmaster in two hits.

Yeah.. against Batman she stands no chance.

Elektra will get some good hits, but in the end Batman will take it.

Originally posted by jinzin




riiiiiiiiight...


She's only good 'nough to block automatic gunfire with her sais:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5954/automaticbulletblockingyw7.jpg

Weave through multiple shooters firing full auto WITHOUT looking at them:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1728/autobulletweave1jt3.jpg

Fast enough to swipe a gun from Punisher's hands from 5 feet away without him even able to react to it or fathom what just happened:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Elektra/pg_18.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Elektra/pg_19.jpg
Bound around an entire courtyard full of gunmen roughly half the size of a football field without them even realizing what was happening: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8615/boundingve0.jpg

Accruate enough to block the barral of a gun with a sai throw and strong enough to throw the sai so hard it caused his hand to rip of his arm at a speed that sent it going through one end of his KEVLAR through his body and out the other ....:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2321/strongsaithrowdu0.jpg


Strong enough to block and toss aside a sword strike from a suped up Silver Samurai who was sporting class ten strength at the time:

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversamurai2rp0.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversamurai3te3.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversamuraivd4.jpg

Good enough with quasi mystical arts that she's got a file which says this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Elektra/elektra_random04.jpg

Has enough telepathy to instill illusions in people, slow their reflexes and communicate telepathically.
Has enough durability to take a prolonged beating from a guy that embedded Logan into concrete with one charge.
And was straight up good enough to WTFKTFO Taskmaster in two hits.

Yeah.. against Batman she stands no chance.


No were did I say she stands no chance. Next time read. She just is not taking the majority. Your links won't change bats feats.

Originally posted by BatmanOfGotham
Elektra will get some good hits, but in the end Batman will take it.


Agreed.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No were did I say she stands no chance. Next time read. She just is not taking the majority. Your links won't change bats feats.

It was a point of exaggeration for the sheer overwhelming amount of people saying Batman wins even though they know absolutely squat about her character.

Not as good as Daredevil? That ain't been true since her first ongoing title run buddy.


And uh, yeah it does, hence the point of her telepathic influence and manipulation. She can mindf*ck Batsy over while bashing the crap out of him with comparable skills, superhuman speed that DWARFS his own, and strength enough to stalemate someone on classic Spidey's level...

Again, with his toys.. he'd get some wins, in a h2h matchup, he's toasted here.

Originally posted by jinzin
It was a point of exaggeration for the sheer overwhelming amount of people saying Batman wins even though they know absolutely squat about her character.

Not as good as Daredevil? That ain't been true since her first ongoing title run buddy.


And uh, yeah it does, hence the point of her telepathic influence and manipulation. She can mindf*ck Batsy over while bashing the crap out of him with comparable skills, superhuman speed that DWARFS his own, and strength enough to stalemate someone on classic Spidey's level...

Again, with his toys.. he'd get some wins, in a h2h matchup, he's toasted here.


Skrull = Entire life retconned.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Skrull = Entire life retconned.

Her entire life? I thought this crap only went back a few years.

If that's the case then we should just close down all these electra debates since it's not the character we've grown to understand.

Originally posted by jinzin
It was a point of exaggeration for the sheer overwhelming amount of people saying Batman wins even though they know absolutely squat about her character.

Not as good as Daredevil? That ain't been true since her first ongoing title run buddy.


And uh, yeah it does, hence the point of her telepathic influence and manipulation. She can mindf*ck Batsy over while bashing the crap out of him with comparable skills, superhuman speed that DWARFS his own, and strength enough to stalemate someone on classic Spidey's level...

Again, with his toys.. he'd get some wins, in a h2h matchup, he's toasted here.


Show me her mind Fing Daredevil, Wolverine or Shang or her recent scuffle with Bullseye. LOL your exaggerating her to the 9th degree.

She isn't a major threat and people are not stupid enough to buy into your made up version.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Show me her mind Fing Daredevil, Wolverine or Shang or her recent scuffle with Bullseye. LOL your exaggerating her to the 9th degree.

She isn't a major threat and people are not stupid enough to buy into your made up version.

She's no Emma Frost but it's common knowledge that she's a friggin telepath.

I'm not exaggerating anything about her abilities. Look at Enemy of the State she was able to link to his brain telepathically and tell him about what was going on.

And please, no battle she has with Matt is relivent here.. She still loves the man and even the thought of him messes with her head. It's the ONLY reason Taskmaster was able to deal with her the first time they met.

Everything I've said about her is proven in scans.

Batman can resist telepath.
J'onn can't enter his mind...

Wolverine can resist telepaths too, he's got level 9 psy-blockers in his noggin that's been able to keep out Emma to some extent, psylocke, and mesmero.

Elektra still got in.

Well, I maintain that regardless if Elektra can access Batman's mind or not she'll still win in a fight.
I don't see how he's going to legitimately cope with her when she's sporting Classic Spidey levels of strength, superior speed, and equivolent fighting skill.

Originally posted by BatmanOfGotham
Batman can resist telepath.
J'onn can't enter his mind... batman has no powers how can he resist telepath ?

Originally posted by Neo_Version 7
Once you get killed a dozen times and you get kidnapped by a shape-shifting alien race, your credibility goes down.


QFT

I say batman 6/10.
Electra still has the ability to see into the immediate future when fighting.
This is a great advantage.

elektras to quick for bats. but yes bats would still give her a long match

Originally posted by spidey-dude
batman has no powers how can he resist telepath ? idk wether how but i dont think any telepath wants 2 peek in his nogginfear hes kind of a twisted dude.
btw bats ftw

Originally posted by dat_boi
idk wether how but i dont think any telepath wants 2 peek in his nogginfear hes kind of a twisted dude.
btw bats ftw elektra doesnt give a damn if hes the type that doesnt any telepath messing in his head. i dont think anyone would want that anyways

Originally posted by jinzin
She's no Emma Frost but it's common knowledge that she's a friggin telepath.

I'm not exaggerating anything about her abilities. Look at Enemy of the State she was able to link to his brain telepathically and tell him about what was going on.

And please, no battle she has with Matt is relivent here.. She still loves the man and even the thought of him messes with her head. It's the ONLY reason Taskmaster was able to deal with her the first time they met.

Everything I've said about her is proven in scans.



Excuses excuses. Again show me her mind fking Daredevil, Bullseye, Cap, Shang-Chi to beat them. Top fighters then you'll have a case.

Her mind tricks on simple shield agents big whuup there not the cream of the crop. Not even close. Electra recently fought Bullseye with Daredevils help and she could not do much to him.

Seems like you just overrate her abilities.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
batman has no powers how can he resist telepath ?


His mind is absurdly strong for a regular human. I mean a fear toxin or some such that had the whole city go berserk didn't affect Bruce much while he used it on himself and Batgirl for therapeutic reasons.


Bruce is a A-list in his verse.

Electra mind tricks does not affect the A lists such as Bullseye, Daredevil, and Shang of her verse.

To do so the Electra fan must prove it and they have not done so in this thread that shows anything to remotely mind rape a A-lister.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
His mind is absurdly strong for a regular human. I mean a fear toxin or some such that had the whole city go berserk didn't affect Bruce much while he used it on himself and Batgirl for therapeutic reasons.


Bruce is a A-list in his verse.

Electra mind tricks does not affect the A lists such as Bullseye, Daredevil, and Shang of her verse.

To do so the Electra fan must prove it and they have not done so in this thread that shows anything to remotely mind rape a A-lister. maybe his helmet protects his mind from probes and stuff but his brain solo with no protection i doubt it

Originally posted by spidey-dude
maybe his helmet protects his mind from probes and stuff but his brain solo with no protection i doubt it


No such evidence for Bullseye just assumption there, plus in there recent battle, Bullseye didn't have his mask on.....so no go on that. Plus its not a helmet like say Magneto anyways. Also she had a encounter with Shang-Chi and no mind tricks on him either.



This just has no basis, its like claiming because Daredevil has vanished on broad day light on average joes, he's going to do so on the elite A-list fighters as well to sneak attack them any time he wants.

Put thats the problem pretending the elite will fall for this, just because joe smoes nobody's do.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Excuses excuses. Again show me her mind fking Daredevil, Bullseye, Cap, Shang-Chi to beat them. Top fighters then you'll have a case.

Her mind tricks on simple shield agents big whuup there not the cream of the crop. Not even close. Electra recently fought Bullseye with Daredevils help and she could not do much to him.

Seems like you just overrate her abilities.

Well lets ignore the fact that most of those examples you brought up were before her second rebirth and not useable evidence here.

I didn't know being a top fighter made one's mind impregnable.

Her being in love with DD isn't an excuse it's a reason.

Using one low showing which contradicts several others is an excuse.

When I see Daredevil move faster than Punisher can even recognize what's going on,
Beat somone on Taskmaster's level of caliber in two hits/three panels (after fighting multiple superheroes btw).
And repeatidly block automatic gunfire with something as small as a sai ten you can tell me how much better DD is than her.

Originally posted by BatmanOfGotham
Batman can resist telepath.
J'onn can't enter his mind...
bull and shit

Originally posted by jinzin
Well lets ignore the fact that most of those examples you brought up were before her second rebirth and not useable evidence here.

I didn't know being a top fighter made one's mind impregnable.

Her being in love with DD isn't an excuse it's a reason.

Using one low showing which contradicts several others is an excuse.

When I see Daredevil move faster than Punisher can even recognize what's going on,
Beat somone on Taskmaster's level of caliber in two hits/three panels (after fighting multiple superheroes btw).
And repeatidly block automatic gunfire with something as small as a sai ten you can tell me how much better DD is than her.


Right and I see you provide no proof to show otherwise while I have done so and and her rematch with Bullseye shows this which occurred right before Eds run on Daredevil.

Daredevil has moved faster and has outdone her against a group before so your A B C logic is nonsensicle. DD has batted back bullets at said shooters with ease. And has gone toe to toe with Spiderman.

But it would be useless these feats to say he would dismiss Batman.

Taskmasters level LOL did this taskmaster level guy defeat a top ranked fighter. Again Like I said another no name nobody.

I'll bet your next post still wont show proof of her mind fking a top fighter.

ohhhhhhh snap

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Right and I see you provide no proof to show otherwise while I have done so and and her rematch with Bullseye shows this which occurred right before Eds run on Daredevil.

Daredevil has moved faster and has outdone her against a group before so your A B C logic is nonsensicle. DD has batted back bullets at said shooters with ease. And has gone toe to toe with Spiderman.

But it would be useless these feats to say he would dismiss Batman.

Taskmasters level LOL did this taskmaster level guy defeat a top ranked fighter. Again Like I said another no name nobody.

I'll bet your next post still wont show proof of her mind fking a top fighter.

Uh, yes I have. Read Wolverine: Agent of Shield, she infiltrates Wolverine's head, even with is high telepathic resistance.

Again, you're comparing DD's feats to before Elektra had her second "rebirth". It wasn't until her second series that she started doing these crazy superhuman things.

And ABC logic HAS to be applied here since her CIS affects her too much for it not to come into play in a comparison with DD.

DD has batted back one or two bullets at a time NEVER has he deflected automatic gunfire like Elektra did are you F*cking kidding me? That's a speed feat on level with Wonder Woman. So what if he's gone toe to toe with Spiderman he's outmatched over 90% of the time he does. That also proves nothing since Spidey has an affinity when it comes to skilled street levels..

And, you missunderstand, YOU show me where DD has put down someone of Taskmasters caliber in two hits because Elektra has done it to TM himself!

Originally posted by h1a8
I say batman 6/10.
Electra still has the ability to see into the immediate future when fighting.
This is a great advantage.



And yet she became a SKRULL

ohhhhhh snap again

What showings against Spider-Man are giving the boost to DD here? The ones where Daredevil was in the yellow costume, and it was Classic Spidey? Lulz?

Originally posted by dat_boi
ohhhhhh snap again

...

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
And yet she became a SKRULL

Y'know because he could barely move seing how Gorgon crap kicked her.

Yeah... Batman ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah... Batman ftw.

Batman's good, he's one of DC's best, but a bunch of feats all over the DC universe don't put him in another league like it doesn't for Captain America.

But when the man can't beat Richard Dragon, barely keeps up with Lady Shiva, or Cassandra Cain, an gets beat down by Deathstroke, one thinks that Elektra who's just as skilled as Bats and as superhuman as Deathstroke, that he won't win.

Originally posted by jinzin
Batman's good, he's one of DC's best, but a bunch of feats all over the DC universe don't put him in another league like it doesn't for Captain America.

But when the man can't beat Richard Dragon, barely keeps up with Lady Shiva, or Cassandra Cain, an gets beat down by Deathstroke, one thinks that Elektra who's just as skilled as Bats and as superhuman as Deathstroke, that he won't win.

1. He stalemated Richard Dragon.

2. Shiva has a losing record against Batman.

3. Batman has beaten Cassie twice.

4. Deathstroke is more super human than Elektra. However, both combatants got good shots in, and the very next comic, Slade could barely even move because of his injuries from that fight.

Elektra doesn't get the win here. Batman has much better feats when juxtaposing them with Elektra's.

Batman from Dark Knight Returns in his prime 10/10, even if Electra has her knives, given he's wearing his suit.

Originally posted by batdude123
However, both combatants got good shots in, and the very next comic, Slade could barely even move because of his injuries from that fight.



but in the fight...Slade was clearly owning Batman. I think slade got his injuries from the fall he took, since Batman didn't land many hits on Slade at all.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
I think slade got his injuries from the fall he took, since Batman didn't land many hits on Slade at all.

Wrong as usual.

And anyway, this fight ISN'T going to be decided by a single showing for Batman against Deathstroke that he had back in '92. Since then, he's had plenty more impressive showings, as I've posted above.

Batman ftw.

and people complain about wolverine

7/10 to Batman

Originally posted by batdude123
1. He stalemated Richard Dragon.

2. Shiva has a losing record against Batman.

3. Batman has beaten Cassie twice.

4. Deathstroke is more super human than Elektra. However, both combatants got good shots in, and the very next comic, Slade could barely even move because of his injuries from that fight.

Elektra doesn't get the win here. Batman has much better feats when juxtaposing them with Elektra's.

1. "he couldn't beat" is what I said. So yeah.

2. Shiva has a losing record being mind controlled and with Robins help.
Batman's acknowledged he's not certain who could win a straight fight.

3. hard fought.

4. Aside from healing factor how so? Does he see into the future? Is he telepathic? Can he block automatic gunfire with a blade? Keep in mind Elektra bore then tossed aside a sword swing from Silver Samurai who was in superhuman class 10 at the time.

Deathstroke has what? Better senses... Maybe.

And I don't think she'd walk away without a scratch, but she'll most likely win.. just like DS did.

Originally posted by jinzin
4. Aside from healing factor how so? Does he see into the future? Is he telepathic? Can he block automatic gunfire with a blade? Keep in mind Elektra bore then tossed aside a sword swing from Silver Samurai who was in superhuman class 10 at the time.

Deathstroke has what? Better senses... Maybe.

And I don't think she'd walk away without a scratch, but she'll most likely win.. just like DS did. Deathstroke's faster... and he's stronger than what Elektra is normally shown as (which is strong, but not Class 10...)

Batman has better feats i put him above her he takes it 7/10.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Deathstroke's faster... and he's stronger than what Elektra is normally shown as (which is strong, but not Class 10...)

deathstroke not shown to be all that strong on average.

speed wises elektra on average is shown pritty much on his level.

DS also not as skilled as elektra nor a tp.

Originally posted by jinzin
1. "he couldn't beat" is what I said. So yeah.

2. Shiva has a losing record being mind controlled and with Robins help.
Batman's acknowledged he's not certain who could win a straight fight.

3. hard fought.

4. Aside from healing factor how so? Does he see into the future? Is he telepathic? Can he block automatic gunfire with a blade? Keep in mind Elektra bore then tossed aside a sword swing from Silver Samurai who was in superhuman class 10 at the time.

Deathstroke has what? Better senses... Maybe.

And I don't think she'd walk away without a scratch, but she'll most likely win.. just like DS did.

1. The fight ended prematurely.

2. Whether she was mind controlled or not is still to this day speculation.

3. He's beaten her once in two pages worth of fighting...

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfjv7.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfyq0.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfcb2.jpg

And he's also beaten her with one arm behind his back the entire time.

4. Deathstroke's stronger, faster, and more durable than Elektra. Telepathy means nothing in this fight, seeing as how Batman has telepathy blockers built into his cowl, and he's had mystical training which allows him protection from telepathy.

You're bringing up instances that took place in the 80's and early 90's. They're not valid reasons as to why Elektra wins this fight, seeing as how I've given tons upon tons of more recent examples up above. On panel feats show that Batman is superior. Now, whether you want to attribute that to him being one of the most popular characters in comic book history or not is your own prerogative.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Well... THAT was dumb...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and people complain about wolverine

Also, I wouldn't say Elektra is faster than Batman.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
deathstroke not shown to be all that strong on average.

speed wises elektra on average is shown pritty much on his level.

DS also not as skilled as elektra nor a tp. Not as skilled? Do you know what Slade is capable of? He is skilled enough to solo teams of super heroes but seriously Slade would Thrash Elektra easily.

Seriously, people... you gotta recognize the God damn Batman.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/pic015.jpg

Originally posted by iceman24567
Not as skilled? Do you know what Slade is capable of? He is skilled enough to solo teams of super heroes but seriously Slade would Thrash Elektra easily.

fighting teams and being skilled do not go hand and hand.

I know how skilled ds is and he not a top tier. Hell thats the whole reason why ds has such a ahrd time with batman. Batman superior skills makes up for the physicall differences.

Batman 9/10 Elektra wouldn't stand a chance against all the different styles Batman knows, she would be too confused

Originally posted by batdude123
1. The fight ended prematurely.

2. Whether she was mind controlled or not is still to this day speculation.

3. He's beaten her once in two pages worth of fighting...

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfjv7.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfyq0.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfcb2.jpg

And he's also beaten her with one arm behind his back the entire time.


What comic issue is this from?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
fighting teams and being skilled do not go hand and hand.

I know how skilled ds is and he not a top tier. Hell thats the whole reason why ds has such a ahrd time with batman. Batman superior skills makes up for the physicall differences. Yes and Batman is more skilled than Elektra too not only that but when Slade was depowered he was still kicking ass let me try and find that stuff.

Originally posted by batdude123
Also, I wouldn't say Elektra is faster than Batman.
lol depends what you think is pis and whats not.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol depends what you think is pis and whats not. i think once someone does something on more than 3 occasions, then its no longer PIS

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes and Batman is more skilled than Elektra too not only that but when Slade was depowered he was still kicking ass let me try and find that stuff.
batman really not that much more skilled then elektra or at all.

Batman has a good sizes skill advantage vs DS which he would not have vs elektra.


slade also got his ass kicked by a random guy............

Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
Batman 9/10 Elektra wouldn't stand a chance against all the different styles Batman knows, she would be too confused

....................she was trained by stick.........................

Originally posted by Master-Borg
i think once someone does something on more than 3 occasions, then its no longer PIS

then batman has superman level reflexes, strength, speed, durability...........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol depends what you think is pis and whats not.

Both are PIS induced characters. You've just got to give in to the the suspension of disbelief for both of the characters. Elektra and Batman both live in worlds where anything is possible. Attaching the word "human" to either of them is degrading.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
....................she was trained by stick......................... No way she was trained by one well known Martial arts master in the Marvel Universe? Thats sucks Batman wasn't trained by one Master.... Skill wise Batman takes the cake.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
batman really not that much more skilled then elektra or at all.

Batman has a good sizes skill advantage vs DS which he would not have vs elektra.


slade also got his ass kicked by a random guy............

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Anyway, Slade has also beaten the shit out of a JLA team.

Originally posted by batdude123
Both are PIS induced characters. You've just got to give in to the the suspension of disbelief for both of the characters. Elektra and Batman both live in worlds where anything is possible. Attaching the word "human" to either of them is degrading.

I am not even talking about that. Batman has feats beyond what even a comic superhuman such as spiderman has done............the guy feats range to rediculous levels.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
then batman has superman level reflexes, strength, speed, durability........... you got a point

thing is there are 2 versions of batman

the solo batman who is basically peak human

and the Justice League Batman who does all the crazy-superhuman stuff

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I am not even talking about that. Batman has feats beyond what even a comic superhuman such as spiderman has done............the guy feats range to rediculous levels. Remind you of someone?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I am not even talking about that. Batman has feats beyond what even a comic superhuman such as spiderman has done............the guy feats range to rediculous levels.

He's the goddamn Batman.

Originally posted by batdude123
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Anyway, Slade has also beaten the shit out of a JLA team.

yea and then he also had problems with abtman, night wing ect.


funny how slade does so well vs teams then when he fights them same people one on one them give him holly hell.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Remind you of someone?



yea quite a view people lol.


a lot of them actually have reasons.

Originally posted by iceman24567
No way she was trained by one well known Martial arts master in the Marvel Universe? Thats sucks Batman wasn't trained by one Master.... Skill wise Batman takes the cake.

Nor was elektra she was trained by many masters.



also batman skill level is at best slightly above elektra by such a margin it be rather irrelevent to the fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yea quite a view people lol.


a lot of them actually have reasons.

Batman has training that allows him to do things some superhumans can only dream of doing.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's the goddamn Batman.
lol

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman has training that allows him to do things some superhumans can only dream of doing.
and yet it never stated...............

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol

Just out of curiosity, who do you think would win this?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
you got a point

thing is there are 2 versions of batman

the solo batman who is basically peak human

and the Justice League Batman who does all the crazy-superhuman stuff
cosigned

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet it never stated............... He just stated it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet it never stated...............

Sure it is.

Originally posted by batdude123
Just out of curiosity, who do you think would win this?

depends what batman were using.


are we allowing uber justice league batman? Becuases then well you need superman to beat him oh wait even superman would loses.


or the batman who fights the low level meta and street thugs.

Originally posted by batdude123
Sure it is.

were has it ever been stated that batman training allows him to achieve things superhumans only dream of?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
depends what batman were using.


are we allowing uber justice league batman? Becuases then well you need superman to beat him.


or the batman who fights the low level meta and street thugs.

There aren't two versions of Batman. In fact, many of the more impressive showings I posted were from his own books. He's constantly shown to be at a level that you'd consider PIS for him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
were has it ever been stated that batman training allows him to achieve things superhumans only dream of?

His training has given him a spiritual healing factor.

http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfhc0.jpg

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
What comic issue is this from?

Btw, that was Detective Comics #734.

Originally posted by batdude123
There aren't two versions of Batman. In fact, many of the more impressive showings I posted were from his own books. He's constantly shown to be at a level that you'd consider PIS for him.


most of the more ridiculous feats are from his JL showings: fighting grundy, kicking captain Marvel, fighting darkseid

Originally posted by Master-Borg
most of the more ridiculous feats are from his JL showings: fighting grundy, kicking captain Marvel, fighting darkseid

None of those feats are from JLA comics.

Originally posted by batdude123
Btw, that was Detective Comics #734.

Thanks,

Originally posted by batdude123
None of those feats are from JLA comics. right, but those are all teamups with JL members

Originally posted by batdude123
There aren't two versions of Batman. In fact, many of the more impressive showings I posted were from his own books. He's constantly shown to be at a level that you'd consider PIS for him.


and yet there are showings that controdict theses.

did I say it was pis? nope.



Originally posted by batdude123
His training has given him a spiritual healing factor.

http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfhc0.jpg
actaully it states it stopped the bleeding, nothing about a healing factor or a spiritual healing factor.

Originally posted by batdude123
None of those feats are from JLA comics.

I know.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
right, but those are all teamups with JL members

JL members as in Superman? Two of them are from Superman/Batman. Doesn't make them any less valid.

And his feat where he beat the crap out of Solomon Grundy was in Batman: Dark Victory #1.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet there are showings that controdict theses.

did I say it was pis? nope.

Everyone has there highs and lows. Fortunately for Batman, he has a lot more highs than he does lows.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully it states it stopped the bleeding, nothing about a healing factor or a spiritual healing factor.

It doesn't have to be outright stated for it to be true. Let's face facts here, because of his training, he was able to heal from a bullet wound in one panel.

I still find it fun how much crap wolverine gets but not characters like batman ect.

Originally posted by batdude123
JL members as in Superman? Two of them are from Superman/Batman. Doesn't make them any less valid.

And his feat where he beat the crap out of Solomon Grundy was in Batman: Dark Victory #1.

I'm not saying they are less valid

but I am saying there is a distinct difference in portrayal of batman when he's completely solo versus when he's teamed up with a super

obviously he has high feats in his solo adventures as well, but they're more reasonable than his team up feats

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I still find it fun how much crap wolverine gets but not characters like batman ect.

I've never given Wolverine crap about his showings...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I still find it fun how much crap wolverine gets but not characters like batman ect. people accept it for batman because I guess it's part of his character to perform PIS events

that's how the whole saying "he's the goddamn batman" got started in the first place

people don't view Wolverine in the same way, although I think that's changing

I mean, I used to see Logan as a good fighter with a great HF. I was shocked the first time I read Logan healing from a skeleton after getting nuked.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
I'm not saying they are less valid

but I am saying there is a distinct difference in portrayal of batman when he's completely solo versus when he's teamed up with a super

obviously he has high feats in his solo adventures as well, but they're more reasonable than his team up feats

He's done equally impressive things in both.

Beating the crap out of Aquaman wasn't in a team up book. Neither was his fight with Lobo.

Originally posted by batdude123
Everyone has there highs and lows. Fortunately for Batman, he has a lot more highs than he does lows.
what level do you think he on.




Originally posted by batdude123
It doesn't have to be outright stated for it to be true. Let's face facts here, because of his training, he was able to heal from a bullet wound in one panel.
yes it does. Your saying he was healed from it, but he was not. It clearly states that the bleeding was stopped, not that it healed. You assume it was healed for no reason. Hell it further proves it was not healed becuases he was told to bandage it.

also when has he ever replicated this feat?

Originally posted by batdude123
I've never given Wolverine crap about his showings...

? yes you have. True you no longer do, but you certainly have. Though it rather irrelevent sinces you no longer do.

you forgett ive been here a very long time.


I did not mean you I ment in general.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's done equally impressive things in both.

Beating the crap out of Aquaman wasn't in a team up book. Neither was his fight with Lobo.

and do you believe batman is at theses levels?

Batman I think

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what level do you think he on.

It's hard for me to say. On KMC, he's nothing more than a skilled human with a utility belt. In the actual comics themselves, he's so much more...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes it does. Your saying he was healed from it, but he was not. It clearly states that the bleeding was stopped, not that it healed. You assume it was healed for no reason. Hell it further proves it was not healed becuases he was told to bandage it.

also when has he ever replicated this feat?

You might want to check the scan again, because after one panel the bullet hole was entirely closed up, and yes the bleeding stopped. I suppose the bandaging was a precautionary measure. Regardless, it contradicts what was actually shown.

I'd have to get back to you on when he's specifically used that spiritual technique in another comic, though.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
? yes you have. True you no longer do, but you certainly have. Though it rather irrelevent sinces you no longer do.

you forgett ive been here a very long time.


I did not mean you I ment in general.

What exactly have I given him crap about? That he shouldn't beat Hulk? That he shouldn't beat Cyclops? That his healing factor is inconsistent? I remember saying those things, but that's about it.

Originally posted by batdude123
What exactly have I given him crap about? That he shouldn't beat Hulk? That he shouldn't beat Cyclops? That his healing factor is inconsistent? I remember saying those things, but that's about it.

yes and yet you seem fine with batman taking on lobo, wonder woman ect.............

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and do you believe batman is at theses levels?

Batman vs. Karate Kid.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes and yet you seem fine with batman taking on lobo, wonder woman ect.............

All I've proven is that Batman can harm Wonder Woman via pressure point strikes, and that he's more skilled than she is. She should still be able to beat him every time.

Originally posted by batdude123
It's hard for me to say. On KMC, he's nothing more than a skilled human with a utility belt. In the actual comics themselves, he's so much more...
like?



Originally posted by batdude123
You might want to check the scan again, because after one panel the bullet hole was entirely closed up, and yes the bleeding stopped. I suppose the bandaging was a precautionary measure. Regardless, it contradicts what was actually shown.

Not really the bleed was stopped, but the damage was still there which was evident by the fact he clutching it.

Not to mention the authors words>>>>>>artist.

It was clearly not healed nor was it ment to be healed.



Originally posted by batdude123
I'd have to get back to you on when he's specifically used that spiritual technique in another comic, though.

k

Originally posted by batdude123
All I've proven is that Batman can harm Wonder Woman via pressure point strikes, and that he's more skilled than she is. She should still be able to beat him every time.

and yet your feats show other wises.

I mean your using feats to show he more skilled and can damage her and yet you say he would loses every time. If this is the cases how was he winning? How did he win? If he really should not be able to win is it really suitable evidences?

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman vs. Karate Kid.

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is not karate kid weaken and not nearly the karate kid that fights vast superhuman?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
like?

His feats show him to be more than a street leveler in the comics. If you wish to perceive that as him being catered to simply because he's Batman, then go ahead and think it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really the bleed was stopped, but the damage was still there which was evident by the fact he clutching it.

Not to mention the authors words>>>>>>artist.

It was clearly not healed nor was it ment to be healed.

The bullet hole closed, and the bleeding stopped. That doesn't mean the wound was completely gone though, you're right. However, that definitely shows healing of an advanced level, and it's because of his spiritual training. I was ad-libbing on the scan calling it a "spiritual healing factor" because that's practically what it is.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet your feats show other wises.

I mean your using feats to show he more skilled and can damage her and yet you say he would loses every time. If this is the cases how was he winning? How did he win? If he really should not be able to win is it really suitable evidences?

He's never actually flat out beaten Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
is not karate kid weaken and not nearly the karate kid that fights vast superhuman?

That Karate Kid isn't weakened, and he was able to take on Ultra Boy and he knocked away a part of a mountain if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's never actually flat out beaten Wonder Woman.
but he has come out with the advantage and on top.

Iron Fist ACTUALLY has a spiritual healing factor!

Batman is a IF wannabe

Originally posted by Mindset


Batman is a IF wannabe

Originally posted by Battlehammer
but he has come out with the advantage and on top.

In skills yes, but once she uses her strength, she wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh, yes I have. Read Wolverine: Agent of Shield, she infiltrates Wolverine's head, even with is high telepathic resistance.

Again, you're comparing DD's feats to before Elektra had her second "rebirth". It wasn't until her second series that she started doing these crazy superhuman things.

And ABC logic HAS to be applied here since her CIS affects her too much for it not to come into play in a comparison with DD.

DD has batted back one or two bullets at a time NEVER has he deflected automatic gunfire like Elektra did are you F*cking kidding me? That's a speed feat on level with Wonder Woman. So what if he's gone toe to toe with Spiderman he's outmatched over 90% of the time he does. That also proves nothing since Spidey has an affinity when it comes to skilled street levels..

And, you missunderstand, YOU show me where DD has put down someone of Taskmasters caliber in two hits because Elektra has done it to TM himself!


LOL still feats that are irrelevant. I've seen Gambit block multipile bullets but he faired bad against Bullseye.

Heck I've seen Zaran block multiple bullets and yet he loses a bunch.

Since your so obsessed with bullets. I've seen Daredevil keep up in a race with a bullet, big deal. I've also seen DD put down Logan easily at one point in his career. Doesn't mean much on how real fights go. Its on consistency and a basis........Electra not so much.

Originally posted by batdude123
Whatever he needs to be in a given situation. that's pretty vague

Originally posted by Master-Borg
that's pretty vague

It's not a lie.

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