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no prep

Supes wrecks Hulk. IDK bout Batman and Ironman but if Batman lose's Superman kicks his(Iron Man) ass.

Who needs Batman. Superman solo's team two.

Superman solos

Batman solos.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Batman solos.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
no prep

how ? I must know !

Originally posted by It's Faceman
how ? I must know !
Batman is prepared for everything, always.

Superman solos.

Batman would die in a fight vs either.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Batman is prepared for everything, always.

The problem with that argument is that someone as powerful as Superman needs no preparation.

Originally posted by Genesis
The problem with that argument is that someone as powerful as Superman needs no preparation.
Superman has no defense against the Batkick.

Plus, the dude trained Supes in H2H combat. Batman > Superman.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Plus, the dude trained Supes in H2H combat. When did this happen?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
When did this happen?
At various points throughout v3 of JLA and Superman/Batman. Supes flat out tells another Kryptonian it in NWOK #2, I think it is.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Superman has no defense against the Batkick.

Plus, the dude trained Supes in H2H combat. Batman > Superman.

Whoa.


Whooooooa.

It's not like Superman is going to sit there and go hand to hand with Batman. He's going to punch him and that one punch will shatter his rib cage entirely. Hell, he could kick his face and turn Batman's skull into a fine powder.

Batman also has no preparation. He doesn't even stand the slightest chance against Batman.

How'd their fight in Sacrifice go down? And that was with Superman cheap-shotting Batman from behind to start the fight, not holding back.

For anyone who's taken anything I've said in this thread seriously...don't*. It's pretty clear Superman solos and that Team One wins. I went a different route and said Batman solos, for the lulz. That's pretty much it.






*This does not include Bada. What I said about Batman in this thread remains true.

Superman should solo everyone in this thread.

Superman and batman 8/10, take out bfring and we'll have a fight.

As stated before, Supes solos.

Like I said before, take out bfring, this would be a close fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman and batman 8/10, take out bfring and we'll have a fight. Superman 10/10.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Superman 10/10.

Naah, 8/10 due to bfring, i think hulk could prevent most of the bfring.

Superman/Batman.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman and batman 8/10, take out bfring and we'll have a fight.

doesn't really make that much of a difference... shrug

Originally posted by Raoul
doesn't really make that much of a difference... shrug

to me it does make a difference since I think that Hulk>Supes physically.

Originally posted by carver9
to me it does make a difference since I think that Hulk>Supes physically.

even if that were true, he's still lacking when it comes to speed by more of a gap than supes would in terms of strength.

thats assuming hulk was even able to get that angry.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk>Supes physically.

Originally posted by Raoul
even if that were true, he's still lacking when it comes to speed by more of a gap than supes would in terms of strength.

thats assuming hulk was even able to get that angry.

I agree supes has a speed edge but cis is on and supes would fight on a level that would get him wrecked by hulk.

Originally posted by Darth Martin


Feats proves this along with supes being knocked the hell out by hulk like beings and being far less than hulk

Originally posted by carver9
I agree supes has a speed edge but cis is on and supes would fight on a level that would get him wrecked by hulk.

why? superman and hulk trade punches for a while, then superman realises he has to work harder to put down hulk, and starts using his speed in addition to his strength.

that's with CIS on.

Originally posted by carver9
Feats proves this along with supes being knocked the hell out by hulk like beings and being far less than hulk Who?

Originally posted by carver9
to me it does make a difference since I think that Hulk>Supes physically.

Savage hulk?

are you serious

^ I don't know why that comes as a shock to so many.

Superman isn't the be-all and end-all of strength-based characters.

Originally posted by Enyalus
^ I don't know why that comes as a shock to so many.

Superman isn't the be-all and end-all of strength-based characters.

still trying to get majestic some much needed respect, are we?

Originally posted by carver9
to me it does make a difference since I think that Hulk>Supes physically.

We all make mistakes, just try to learn from it and move on.

Originally posted by Enyalus
^ I don't know why that comes as a shock to so many.

Superman isn't the be-all and end-all of strength-based characters.

he's not, but savage hulk without being extremly angry is no where close

Originally posted by grimify
We all make mistakes, just try to learn from it and move on.

Originally posted by Raoul
why? superman and hulk trade punches for a while, then superman realises he has to work harder to put down hulk, and starts using his speed in addition to his strength.

that's with CIS on.

HMMM, it would be kind of late then because supes would be fighting a much more stonger, faster, more durable hulk. Without bfring, supes lose.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Savage hulk?

are you serious


UMMM, savage hulk at calm stated lifted a mountain over his head, 150 billion tons. Yes, I'm referring to savage hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Originally posted by Raoul
why? superman and hulk trade punches for a while, then superman realises he has to work harder to put down hulk, and starts using his speed in addition to his strength.

that's with CIS on.

HMMM, it would be kind of late then because supes would be fighting a much more stonger, faster, more durable hulk. Without bfring, supes lose.

no matter how fast hulk gets, he's not going to be as fast as superman.

and imo, superman can lost long enough against any hulk, no matter how strong or durable.

Originally posted by Raoul
still trying to get majestic some much needed respect, are we?
Nah, I like him being underrated. If he was popular, I probably wouldn't like him.

It's just that, like you admitted before, strengthwise feat for feat it could be argued either way and is nowhere near clear cut. So when I see someone going, "OMG r u serious!?!" It's like...yes, he is. Get over it.

Though, like Phil said before, "people don't understand that strength isn't the reason that Hulk loses to Superman."

Originally posted by Enyalus
Nah, I like him being underrated. If he was popular, I probably wouldn't like him.

It's just that, like you admitted before, strengthwise feat for feat it could be argued either way and is nowhere near clear cut. So when I see someone going, "OMG r u serious!?!" It's like...yes, he is. Get over it.

Though, like Phil said before, "people don't understand that strength isn't the reason that Hulk loses to Superman."

aye.

Originally posted by jalek moye
he's not, but savage hulk without being extremly angry is no where close

Feats prove otherwise. Hell him holding up a 150 billion ton mountain and supes looking as if he was straining to lift a pyramid proves a lot if you ask me.

Originally posted by carver9
Feats prove otherwise. Hell him holding up a 150 billion ton mountain and supes looking as if he was straining to lift a pyramid proves a lot if you ask me.

nice how you forget that a "calm" superman was pulling at least half the earth's weight with little difficulty.

Originally posted by Raoul
no matter how fast hulk gets, he's not going to be as fast as superman.

and imo, superman can lost long enough against any hulk, no matter how strong or durable.

I disagree with this statement and there is so much proof I could use against this statement of supes lasting against a angry hulk that its ridiculous.

Answer this, do you think a angry hulk could become physically equal to despero?

Do you think that a angry hulk could land a blow as powerful as the blow that kalibak hit supes with and koed him?

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree with this statement and there is so much proof I could use against this statement of supes lasting against a angry hulk that its ridiculous.

Answer this, do you think a angry hulk could become physically equal to despero?

Do you think that a angry hulk could land a blow as powerful as the blow that kalibak hit supes with and koed him?

v&v despero? the one that took down the heavy hitters of the JLA AND the JSA? sure, hulk could be that strong, but it would take a while.

when did kalibak ko superman? or are we talking about his lucky shot in DOTNG?

Originally posted by Raoul
nice how you forget that a "calm" superman was pulling at least half the earth's weight with little difficulty.

Dont take this the wrong way but I hate when people use feats like that. That feat alone included flight, strength, and durability; it wasnt just a strength feat.

C'mon Carver, you admitted Team One wins 8/10 times. That's a lot. What's there to argue about?

Originally posted by Enyalus
C'mon Carver, you admitted Team One wins 8/10 times. That's a lot. What's there to argue about?

That's because team one has Batman. It has nothing to do with Superman.

Originally posted by Raoul
v&v despero? the one that took down the heavy hitters of the JLA AND the JSA? sure, hulk could be that strong, but it would take a while.

when did kalibak ko superman? or are we talking about his lucky shot in DOTNG?

Im referring to the hit that he took from the kalibak that had the aid of mantis, so yeah, dotng.

Like I said, there is so much proof that supes cant hang with an angry hulk that is trying to kill him.

In a fight, yes I give supes the majority due to bfring, without it, its almost impossible to ko a hulk that is putting his effort at destroying you.

Lets not forget that savage hulk has taken hammer shots from thor and shrugged them off and I'm pretty sure that supes cant generate enough force to be equal to anything that mjlonir can conjur physically.

Superman best bet would be to bfr him and hulk would hit supes, I dont know where you're coming up with him being untouchable.

Originally posted by grimify
That's because team one has Batman. It has nothing to do with Superman.
Truthiness.

Originally posted by Enyalus
C'mon Carver, you admitted Team One wins 8/10 times. That's a lot. What's there to argue about?

Roaul commented on my bfring post so thats what started what we're talking about.

Basically our argument wont go anywhere and its pretty pointless because both of our mind is made up but I kind of enjoy arguing with raoul and I hope that one day we come to realize the truth about both of the characters.

Originally posted by carver9

In a fight, yes I give supes the majority due to bfring, without it, its almost impossible to ko a hulk that is putting his effort at destroying you.


Is that why Hulk has been KO'd on many occasions?

Originally posted by carver9
Dont take this the wrong way but I hate when people use feats like that. That feat alone included flight, strength, and durability; it wasnt just a strength feat.

how did it use durability? he was pulling, that's strength.

and unless you can prove his flight somehow helps him to move things, then don't bring it up.

also, he never struggled to life the pyramid. there is no proof that he did. making a grunt when you lift something doesn't mean you're struggling. it means you're physically exerting yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
Im referring to the hit that he took from the kalibak that had the aid of mantis, so yeah, dotng.

Like I said, there is so much proof that supes cant hang with an angry hulk that is trying to kill him.

In a fight, yes I give supes the majority due to bfring, without it, its almost impossible to ko a hulk that is putting his effort at destroying you.

Lets not forget that savage hulk has taken hammer shots from thor and shrugged them off and I'm pretty sure that supes cant generate enough force to be equal to anything that mjlonir can conjur physically.

Superman best bet would be to bfr him and hulk would hit supes, I dont know where you're coming up with him being untouchable.

he wasn't knocked out by kalibak. he was concentrating on protecting mister miracle, and as you said, mantis was there too.

prove it, then. you say there's all this proof, so lets see it.

lulz. superman can't punch as hard as thor can while swinging mjolnir. lowballing, much?

i never said untouchable, i said too fast, which is backed up by on panel feats i've showed you before.

Originally posted by grimify
Is that why Hulk has been KO'd on many occasions?

Is that why I said a hulk that is trying?

Everyone that has been brought up on kmc has been koed (referring to people under skyfather), its comics, thats why we use the characters overrall showings and hulk overrall showing is being a character that is hard to take down physically.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that why I said a hulk that is trying?

Everyone that has been brought up on kmc has been koed (referring to people under skyfather), its comics, thats why we use the characters overrall showings and hulk overrall showing is being a character that is hard to take down physically.

So he's not trying in all the fights he's been knocked out in?
That's your argument? Even though he's...fighting the other guy, he's not trying?

Originally posted by Raoul
how did it use durability? he was pulling, that's strength.

and unless you can prove his flight somehow helps him to move things, then don't bring it up.

also, he never struggled to life the pyramid. there is no proof that he did. making a grunt when you lift something doesn't mean you're struggling. it means you're physically exerting yourself.



he wasn't knocked out by kalibak. he was concentrating on protecting mister miracle, and as you said, mantis was there too.

prove it, then. you say there's all this proof, so lets see it.

lulz. superman can't punch as hard as thor can while swinging mjolnir. lowballing, much?

i never said untouchable, i said too fast, which is backed up by on panel feats i've showed you before.

Raoul, I shouldnt have to explain that flight had a big part to do with it, its almost as obvious as it can get but I dont want to stay on that topic so I'll let you have that.

His facial expression was the reason why I said he was straining. That is a sign of strain when you see a look like that and we both know that it wasnt something EASY for him to do.

He was koed by kalibak and the comic showed him blacking out and showed him being saved by orion. Raoul you're one of the best supes comic interpreters I know, you should have known he was koed by kalibak AND that orion saved him.

When you show me supes physically crushing a planet instead of providing hyperbole, THEN I would believe supes can hit as hard as mjlonir.

How about this rauol can we please stop talking about this since we both know that it wont go anywhere. I gave supes and bats the majority because all in all, yes they would get the majority, I just gave my opinion on if bfring was off, I didnt know that it would have went this far.

Originally posted by grimify
So he's not trying in all the fights he's been knocked out in?
That's your argument? Even though he's...fighting the other guy, he's not trying?



A angry hulk is almost impossible to be knocked out. Like I said Hulk has fought Thor, Juggernaut, gladiator, and some of the most powerful beings in mu and almost all of them failed to ko hulk.

Raoul still swears up and down that Konvikt never one-shot Superman, even though Supes was laying on the ground with his eyes closed. 'Best Superman interpreter' my arse.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Raoul still swears up and down that Konvikt never one-shot Superman, even though Supes was laying on the ground with his eyes closed. 'Best Superman interpreter' my arse.



I agree with this but Raoul does know what he's talking about 90% of the time.

Originally posted by carver9
Raoul, I shouldnt have to explain that flight had a big part to do with it, its almost as obvious as it can get but I dont want to stay on that topic so I'll let you have that.

His facial expression was the reason why I said he was straining. That is a sign of strain when you see a look like that and we both know that it wasnt something EASY for him to do.

He was koed by kalibak and the comic showed him blacking out and showed him being saved by orion. Raoul you're one of the best supes comic interpreters I know, you should have known he was koed by kalibak AND that orion saved him.

When you show me supes physically crushing a planet instead of providing hyperbole, THEN I would believe supes can hit as hard as mjlonir.

How about this rauol can we please stop talking about this since we both know that it wont go anywhere. I gave supes and bats the majority because all in all, yes they would get the majority, I just gave my opinion on if bfring was off, I didnt know that it would have went this far.

facepalm

his face showed that he was lifting it. that he was exerting himself physically. trying to prove that he somehow had trouble with it when he's lifted and moved much heavier objects is plain silly.

he wasn't ko'd by kalibak. he was stunned. stunned by a cheap shot because he wasn't even trying to fight them, he was trying to protect mister miracle.

how come hulk gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to "trying" but superman doesn't? double standard, no?

also, he could have got up, but saw orion coming, and realised he didn't have to. so he sat on his fat ass and let orion finish them off. there was nothing to indicate he couldn't get up if he wanted to.

he's punched hard enough to shatter planets. he's moved the earth itself. if that's not enough, then i'm sorry. superman isn't the kind of ******* who just goes around exploding planets.

we can stop if you like.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Raoul still swears up and down that Konvikt never one-shot Superman, even though Supes was laying on the ground with his eyes closed. 'Best Superman interpreter' my arse.

ermm

you've never closed your eyes while awake before, no?

ever played sports where you get knocked down, and for a few moments close your eyes to take a breath and get your bearings? i have, and i'm no superman.

Supes solos with ease.

Team 1 ftw with or without bfr .

The fact that there are only a few showings that are constantly used against Superman, and that those mostly concern very powerfull being in their own right (Kalibak, Konvikt), who either got a lucky/free shot against Superman or strawman arguments "when he lifted the pyramid his face made it seem as if he put much effort into it", just goes to to prove that Superman is constantly written at a high level of power, like a few posters around here have already mentioned (batdude springs to mind).

Superman is fast enough to full on assult Ironman, dodge blows from the lumbering Hulk AND deflect the projectiles Ironman shoots at Batman to get him out the fight.

This fight goes thus..
Superman bull tackles Ironman at the 'GO!' and rips him in half.
0.03 seconds after the 'GO!' when Ironman is scrap, Supes takes it to Hulk.
Batman has gone home to have some cocoa, and snuggle up with Dick.
Meanwhile back at the battleground, Supes decides "alas, this fight doth go on too long, i am missing Will & Grace" then he grabs Hulk up close and does a Nathan Petrelli - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kng7cVVaehk -

SKIP TO 2 mins 41 for the vid.

PS yes Glads tried this before, but he was being a knob about it and flying ridiculously slowly.

As for the fight, Superman does this..

http://i31.tinypic.com/54zq12.jpg

..and puts on the hurting.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Superman is fast enough to full on assult Ironman, dodge blows from the lumbering Hulk AND deflect the projectiles Ironman shoots at Batman to get him out the fight.

This fight goes thus..
Superman bull tackles Ironman at the 'GO!' and rips him in half.
0.03 seconds after the 'GO!' when Ironman is scrap, Supes takes it to Hulk.
Batman has gone home to have some cocoa, and snuggle up with Dick.
Meanwhile back at the battleground, Supes decides "alas, this fight doth go on too long, i am missing Will & Grace" then he grabs Hulk up close and does a Nathan Petrelli - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kng7cVVaehk -

SKIP TO 2 mins 41 for the vid.

PS yes Glads tried this before, but he was being a knob about it and flying ridiculously slowly. wut?