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DS(standard DS)
terrax
apocalypse
Blastaar

vs

Tyrant

Tyrant wipes his ass with the whole team.

Originally posted by King Castle
DS(standard DS)
terrax
apocalypse
Blastaar

vs

Tyrant
FP or DP Tyrant?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
FP or DP Tyrant? doesn't really matter

Originally posted by Starscream M
doesn't really matter
Except it does.

I think DS alone would give DP Tyrant a fight, together the team could potentially split or take a small majority against DP Tyrant.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except it does.

I think DS alone would give DP Tyrant a fight, together the team could potentially split or take a small majority against DP Tyrant. hmm ok

to me it seems even DP tyrant would be able to take on darkseid's team...i mean apoc, terrax might as well not even be in the fight

It really does matter Darkseid may not be able to beat Tyrant on his own but the 3 others could give him the edge he needs to beat him. Even if its depowered Tyrant I think he wins 6 or 7/10

Tyrant was able beat a Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, and a couple of Heralds at the same time. Darkseids team doesn't have a prayer.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Tyrant was able beat a Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, and a couple of Heralds at the same time. Darkseids team doesn't have a prayer. Well good thing Darkseid is more powerful than anybody on that herald team

what does darkseids team add to this fight? they all get one shotted and tyrant takes a healthy majority against seid.

Tyrant without even trying.

Standard DS has top tier durability but is more than powerful enough in the offensive front to use his team mates to get the edge. Team 7/10. He busted Imperiex Prime's armor with his OB while sitting on his throne room in another dimension, power output wise even in his reduced form he's got the offense.

Tyrant 8/10.

Darkseid is the only one here that won't be one shot.

Darkseid can take Tyrant for a strong majority by himself. Give me one reason why he can't just Omega Sanction the field.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Darkseid can take Tyrant for a strong majority by himself. Give me one reason why he can't just Omega Sanction the field. Because it while its going to hurt its not going to take tyrant down. It'd be like trying to OS Odin.

I really think you don't understand just how that attack works.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I really think you don't understand just how that attack works. I know what it does.

But who is the most powerful person it has ever killed and in what context?

Tyrant.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except it does.

I think DS alone would give DP Tyrant a fight, together the team could potentially split or take a small majority against DP Tyrant.

Tyrant, DP or otherwise, annihilates this team.

Originally posted by zopzop
Tyrant, DP or otherwise, annihilates this team.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=480407&pagenumber=5#post13254960

Will someone who actually understands how the OS works come and lay the trip down?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except it does.

I think DS alone would give DP Tyrant a fight, together the team could potentially split or take a small majority against DP Tyrant. Are you serious ?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Darkseid can take Tyrant for a strong majority by himself. Give me one reason why he can't just Omega Sanction the field.

So Darkseid can take someone who tooled Galactus these days?

If you mean FP, only if Darkseid is in his true form. If you mean DP, I'm going to ask how you can ignore that DP Tyrant was losing and used Galactus's own tech to take him down.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you mean FP, only if Darkseid is in his true form. If you mean DP, I'm going to ask how you can ignore that DP Tyrant was losing and used Galactus's own tech to take him down.

Depowered Tyrant was kicking Galactus's ass throughout their entire fight after absorbing his blast; it was Galactus that got desperate and resorted to using tech against Tyrant.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p13.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Depowered Tyrant was kicking Galactus's ass throughout their entire fight after absorbing his blast; it was Galactus that got desperate and resorted to using tech against Tyrant.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p13.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg So you post scans after stating the context of the fight that ignore the context of the fight?

In a strait up fight, gaactus would stomp him.

Here tyrant doesn't have the ability to absorb Darkseids beams or use galactus tech against him.

Tyrant still wins but to say he stomps is ludicrous.

is tyrant essential to the universe?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Depowered Tyrant was kicking Galactus's ass throughout their entire fight after absorbing his blast; it was Galactus that got desperate and resorted to using tech against Tyrant.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p13.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg

Can he warp reality? I didn't include the OS because against purely physical forces, it stops any kind of "battle" from taking place. Pretty much we're talking about tripping out time and space at a level where not even an outside force can affect the reality warp until the curse has done it's intended function.

In one case it hit and affected a target who was trapped inside a black hole.

Another version was shown able to BFR a target through time over set duration, and time for said target couldn't be affected until it was done and completed.

Originally posted by MrMind
is tyrant essential to the universe? has that ever once been stated in comics as the actual function of the OB?

OB and OE are two different terms. OBs are the means i.e. all his beams are Omega Beams (BFR, finder beams, disintegration beams, Omega Effect) etc.

The function of the Omega Force (if we can give it something resembling a role/function) is that it is "the force at the heart of all destruction".

That's the way it was described in JKFW where DS' brother was prepping to master it.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So you post scans after stating the context of the fight that ignore the context of the fight?

In a strait up fight, gaactus would stomp him.

Here tyrant doesn't have the ability to absorb Darkseids beams or use galactus tech against him.

Tyrant still wins but to say he stomps is ludicrous. Exactly ignoring context to make Tyrant look like an abstract level being so much fail

Darkside amps all his team like He did Kalibak, Granny Goodness, and Stayne and they ***** smack Tyrant.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Darkside amps all his team like he did Kalibak, Granny Goodness, and Stayne and they ***** smack Tyrant.

Why are you quoting yourself and spamming up the thread?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why are you quoting yourself and spamming up the thread? That was a mistake. I am not sure how that happened or how it works. Why would you just assume I was purposely spamming the thread? People don't make mistakes here?

He's got a point though. Darkseid could just boost the entire team to Stayne's level.

I assume this is DP.

Tyrant wins; current DS is high-herald, or low trans at best, and not only are the others the kind of people who would get WTF pwned by the kind of people that Tyrant can one-shot, but one of them is a walking pile of bio-technology, which Tyrant can very easily take control of. The team dies horribly.

Originally posted by Simbon
I assume this is DP.

Tyrant wins; current DS is high-herald, or low trans at best, and not only are the others the kind of people who would get WTF pwned by the kind of people that Tyrant can one-shot, but one of them is a walking pile of bio-technology, which Tyrant can very easily take control of. The team dies horribly.
What is current Darkside? What is his current showing level to say that he is herald level?

Originally posted by Comics Queen
What is current Darkside? What is his current showing level to say that he is herald level?

Technically, there is no difference between post and pre-crisis Darkseid (notice the position of the e), but many people feel that, because COIE Darkseid has not displayed any of the kind of feats he had before COIE, and because he has been beaten so badly by Superman, he can no longer be considered as operating at the levels he once did. I think most people would agree that recent versions of Thanos are more powerful than post-crisis Darkseid, and that the outcome of a battle between Darkseid and Superman, or Surfer, or Thor is uncertain.

Originally posted by Simbon
Technically, there is no difference between post and pre-crisis Darkseid (notice the position of the e), but many people feel that, because COIE Darkseid has not displayed any of the kind of feats he had before COIE, and because he has been beaten so badly by Superman, he can no longer be considered as operating at the levels he once did. I think most people would agree that recent versions of Thanos are more powerful than post-crisis Darkseid, and that the outcome of a battle between Darkseid and Superman, or Surfer, or Thor is uncertain. If they aren't counting Final Crisis you mean? Then they would have to count Darky from Countdown. And he was far beyond Superman.

I would give Darkseid the win over Superman, Surfer or Thor on forums

Originally posted by iceman24567
I would give Darkseid the win over Superman, Surfer or Thor on forums

10/10? I am not saying that Darkseid is a weak feeb, I am saying that he no longer appears to be able to one-shot heralds like back in the day, barring use of a device or unusual circumstance. PC Darkseid was more than Odin; post-crisis Darkseid I would say loses to Odin or Thanos. He will not do well against Tyrant.

Ok I agree with that

Originally posted by Simbon
10/10? I am not saying that Darkseid is a weak feeb, I am saying that he no longer appears to be able to one-shot heralds like back in the day, barring use of a device or unusual circumstance. PC Darkseid was more than Odin; post-crisis Darkseid I would say loses to Odin or Thanos. He will not do well against Tyrant. Who is Post Crisis DS? His last showings he was far above Superman, Orion, etc.

Nvr mutate silencio

Tyrant wins, with ease. Darkseid is analogous to thanos, the rest of them will be oneshotted and Tyrant will beat DS in the end.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Tyrant wins, with ease. Darkseid is analogous to thanos, the rest of them will be oneshotted and Tyrant will beat DS in the end. Thanos cannot empower his teamates like DS can.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Thanos cannot empower his teamates like DS can.
DS himself loses to Tyrant... whatever power he gives to others, will likewise not be able to match him.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Thanos cannot empower his teamates like DS can. Ds cannot empower them to Tyrant's level or anywhere near it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
DS himself loses to Tyrant... whatever power he gives to others, will likewise not be able to match him. You missed the point. DS can empower beings above herald lvl. 3 tans tiers and a skyfather are going to be too much for Tyrant.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
You missed the point. DS can empower beings above herald lvl. 3 tans tiers and a skyfather are going to be too much for Tyrant. Who is the skyfather here that takes on Tyrant ?

Originally posted by Comics Queen
You missed the point. DS can empower beings above herald lvl. 3 tans tiers and a skyfather are going to be too much for Tyrant.
No, not really. Tyrant is above skyfathers, even a couple of trans tiers will not be able to bring him down. Thanos didn't even damage him during their fight so I think the empowered characters will have little to no impact.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, not really. Tyrant is above skyfathers, even a couple of trans tiers will not be able to bring him down. Thanos didn't even damage him during their fight so I think the empowered characters will have little to no impact. There is no evidence to support that. Tyrant didn't seem above Skyfathers. What feats did he have? He didn't bust any galaxies or defeat any skyfathers. On panel he managed to fight Thanos who himself wasn't a high skyfather. If at all. Remember DS's boost are geometric. He boosted Stayne who was a regular Human. So what happens when he boosts his team who are already powerful? Plus DS himself was very powerful in Countdown. So much so that he was fighting the Source empowered Orion.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
There is no evidence to support that. Tyrant didn't seem above Skyfathers. What feats did he have? He didn't bust any galaxies or defeat any skyfathers. On panel he managed to fight Thanos who himself wasn't a high skyfather. If at all. Remember DS's boost are geometric. He boosted Stayne who was a regular Human. So what happens when he boosts his team who are already powerful? Plus DS himself was very powerful in Countdown. So much so that he was fighting the Source empowered Orion.
How do you know his boosts are geometric. just because he can boost someone to "around takion level" doesn't mean a stronger character would become stronger... if that were true he would be making being more powerful than himself easily.

Originally posted by King Kandy
How do you know his boosts are geometric. just because he can boost someone to "around takion level" doesn't mean a stronger character would become stronger... if that were true he would be making being more powerful than himself easily. Granny Goodness was so powerful that she was able to assume control of the Central battery from the Guardians. That is waaaay more powerful than takion. DS himself boosted himself when he fought Orion who was empowered by the source in countdown.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Granny Goodness was so powerful that she was able to assume control of the Central battery from the Guardians. That is waaaay more powerful than takion. DS himself boosted himself when he fought Orion who was empowered by the source in countdown. Orion only leeched into Ds's power in dotng so why does he start out with the amp if Ds does not have it ?

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Granny Goodness was so powerful that she was able to assume control of the Central battery from the Guardians. That is waaaay more powerful than takion. DS himself boosted himself when he fought Orion who was empowered by the source in countdown.
lol. so you're basically saying he can just multiply anyone's power as much as he wants with no limits... why doesn't he just will himself omnipotent if that's how it works?

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol. so you're basically saying he can just multiply anyone's power as much as he wants with no limits... why doesn't he just will himself omnipotent if that's how it works? That isn't at all what I said. I said he can multiply anyone's power beyond what Tyrant can handle. Unless you think Tyrant could fight Granny Goodness in her Central battery owning form( Something classic Parallax only has to his credit), Stayne, amped DS from Coundown, etc. Tyrant doesn't have those kinds of feats or power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion only leeched into Ds's power in dotng so why does he start out with the amp if Ds does not have it ?
I didn't say anything about DOTNG. I said when Orion was empowered by the Source in Countdown.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
I didn't say anything about DOTNG. I said when Orion was empowered by the Source in Countdown. When did the Source empower him in countdown ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did the Source empower him in countdown ? http://s644.photobucket.com/albums/uu166/galanx07_pics/?action=view&current=orion2.jpg

Here. The Infinity Man killed Orion in DOTNG. The source was the one who resurrected Orion and empowered him against DS. As an ace up his sleeve as explained in a later issue of DOTNG. Orion and DS were righting several times in some weird time fold warp. ( A way DC tried to fix their crappy editing and huge mess ups between DOTNG and Countdown.)

Originally posted by Comics Queen
http://s644.photobucket.com/albums/uu166/galanx07_pics/?action=view&current=orion2.jpg

Here. The Infinity Man killed Orion in DOTNG. The source was the one who resurrected Orion and empowered him against DS. As an ace up his sleeve as explained in a later issue of DOTNG. Orion and DS were righting several times in some weird time fold warp. ( A way DC tried to fix their crappy editing and huge mess ups between DOTNG and Countdown.) Orion wasn't empowered by the Source he was empowered by cutting into Ds's powerup. No direct connection in countdown was ever stated and even in the other story he only had access to Darkseid's power if he was accessing it.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
That isn't at all what I said. I said he can multiply anyone's power beyond what Tyrant can handle. Unless you think Tyrant could fight Granny Goodness in her Central battery owning form( Something classic Parallax only has to his credit), Stayne, amped DS from Coundown, etc. Tyrant doesn't have those kinds of feats or power.
lol. so are you claiming DS makes being more powerful than himself? Because DS is NOT stronger than tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion wasn't empowered by the Source he was empowered by cutting into Ds's powerup. No direct connection in countdown was ever stated and even in the other story he only had access to Darkseid's power if he was accessing it. No. DS power up was destroyed by the Ray at the point. DS powered himself up to over power Orion's power up from the source.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
No. DS power up was destroyed by the Ray at the point. DS powered himself up to over power Orion's power up from the source. I just explained the events and since no amp was mentioned you have no proof Orion was amped by the Source.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol. so are you claiming DS makes being more powerful than himself? Because DS is NOT stronger than tyrant. Yes, he is. I think we are using different versions of DS. Im using Grant Morrison's True God form while I think you are using his avatar showings. In New Gods, The Being S'ivva was able to rip entire galaxies with just a touch of his fingernail. Orion and Superman, being in that 4th Reality, were powerful enough to defeat such a being. DS in his 4th World Form is far above Tyrant. He also is in possession of the ALE. Not a power up but like magic spell. Like Dr. Strange. Once he knows it, he always knows it. Too many ways for DS to defeat Tyrant. Especially since I do not believe Tyrant to be as powerful as you do. He didn't even beat Thanos as badly as Odin did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just explained the events and since no amp was mentioned you have no proof Orion was amped by the Source.
It was mentioned in DOTNG. Orion was the Source's Ace in the hole.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
It was mentioned in DOTNG. Orion was the Source's Ace in the hole. he used Orion because he could tap into the same power Ds did he was never amped by the Source only brought back to counter Ds's prep against the source.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he used Orion because he could tap into the same power Ds did he was never amped by the Source only brought back to counter Ds's prep against the source. Orion didn't tap into the same power as DS in Countdown. Yet he was empowered by the Source. The same way the Infinity Man was.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Yes, he is. I think we are using different versions of DS. Im using Grant Morrison's True God form while I think you are using his avatar showings. In New Gods, The Being S'ivva was able to rip entire galaxies with just a touch of his fingernail. Orion and Superman, being in that 4th Reality, were powerful enough to defeat such a being. DS in his 4th World Form is far above Tyrant. He also is in possession of the ALE. Not a power up but like magic spell. Like Dr. Strange. Once he knows it, he always knows it. Too many ways for DS to defeat Tyrant. Especially since I do not believe Tyrant to be as powerful as you do. He didn't even beat Thanos as badly as Odin did.
lol you try and claim that shit and then you say void showings aren't good for sentry... when they are as much the same being as what you just described.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, not really. Tyrant is above skyfathers, even a couple of trans tiers will not be able to bring him down. Thanos didn't even damage him during their fight so I think the empowered characters will have little to no impact.
Out of curiosity...what did DP Tyrant do that a Skyfather couldn't?

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol you try and claim that shit and then you say void showings aren't good for sentry... when they are as much the same being as what you just described. What are you talking about? I said that Voided would beat Wonder Woman in other thread. The thread was made before Sentry did Molecule Man in. A very weak molecule man I might add. Sentry isn't Multiversal like the MM. I guess everyone forgets that MM has severe Psychological limitations.

What's "standard" Darkseid even, anyway? I'm unsure of what feats to attribute to him or not to.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Orion didn't tap into the same power as DS in Countdown. Yet he was empowered by the Source. The same way the Infinity Man was. He was never ever empowered by the Source. If he was he'd have stomped Ds.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What's "standard" Darkseid even, anyway? I'm unsure of what feats to attribute to him or not to. He has no standard. It's like saying doomsday fights someone. Have to be specific. I'm going by the last showing of DS that I can fully understand which is Countdown/DOTNG.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was never ever empowered by the Source. If he was he'd have stomped Ds. The Infinity Man was empowered by the Source and he did not Stomp Orion. He did kill him after a huge battle. DS simply amped himself. Cosmic types and Skyfathers do it all of the time.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
The Infinity Man was empowered by the Source and he did not Stomp Orion. He did kill him after a huge battle. DS simply amped himself. Cosmic types and Skyfathers do it all of the time. Im destroyed his entire body and we didn't see it on panel but he was no threat to Im. Im challenged the ale which would easily defeat Orion as well.

You haven't provide done example in this case only speculation.

As those who know me on this board know, I think you all dramatically lowball DS. Final Crisis. The crushing of space time, and concentrating it into a black hole that would doom the multiverse? That was Darkseid's own power. The ALE gave him the ability to control what happened after the black hole. Or the nature of the new god's true stature, which Final Crisis proved once and for all.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What's "standard" Darkseid even, anyway? I'm unsure of what feats to attribute to him or not to.

Good question, I think people don't actually use his average but his lower showings. Namely Apocalypse Now, the time he was entrapped by Supes in the Source etc Ignoring his other victories or displays against Supes, the displays in JKFW and Genesis where it is revealed he's siphoned power off other gods, defeated the Olympians, defeated other skyfathers, one shotting the JLA, casually depowering metas and top tiers etc. all post crisis.

If we take his average displays what is his actual level? I think he ends up having too many tricks for a guy like DP Tyrant.

People lowballing DS as usual...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds cannot empower them to Tyrant's level or anywhere near it.

He turned a baby into Validus. He turned a regular human into Stayne a being that could match a top tier buster like Takion, in fact she was exactly like Takion.

He has also amped his allies like Mantis and Kalibak allowing them to surpass other top tiers.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Out of curiosity...what did DP Tyrant do that a Skyfather couldn't? Nothing

Die off panel.

Originally posted by Allankles
He turned a baby into Validus. He turned a regular human into Stayne a being that could match a top tier buster like Takion, in fact she was exactly like Takion.

He has also amped his allies like Mantis and Kalibak allowing them to surpass other top tiers. GDs isn't canon for regular Seid. He's had moments like maybe Stayne but he's went down on panel to less and takion really is only an elite top tier imo.


Why didn't Seid amp anyone in the great lantern war or against Doomsday the brick ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
GDs isn't canon for regular Seid. He's had moments like maybe Stayne but he's went down on panel to less and takion really is only an elite top tier imo.


Why didn't Seid amp anyone in the great lantern war or against Doomsday the brick ? The same reason Superman doesn't sun dip every story, or Flash doesn't IMP everyone in the first few seconds of the story, or Wonder Woman doesn't lasso all of her enemies. Where would the story be if he did that? Also Elite Top Tiers cannot defeat two other Elite Top Tiers and a Mid-High Herald. Also Takion, provided the body of power to completely reconstruct the celestial city. A top tier cannot do that.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So you post scans after stating th€ context of the fight that ignore the context of the fight?

In a strait up fight, gaactus would stomp him.

Here tyrant doesn't have the ability to absorb Darkseids beams or use galactus tech against him.
Tyrant still wins but to say he stomps is ludicrous.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Exactly ignoring context to make Tyrant look like an abstract level being so much fail

I don't get how their fight was not straight up. Tyrant used his own abilties to hurt Galactus who in turn got desperate and tried to utilize his tech, which again, did not work too well for him. It's not like Tyrant only won because of using Galactus' tech against him.

Now if by 'context', you two were referring to Tyrant absorbing Galactus' blasts, then Galactus could've easily done the same thing to Tyrant seeing as they both have the same bio-spheric energy. That's as straight up as it can possibly get, bros. Depowered Tyrant > Galactus according to that fight.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I don't get how their fight was not straight up. Tyrant used his own abilities to hurt Galactus who in turn got desperate and tried to utilize his tech, which again did not work too well for him.

If by 'context', you two were referring to Tyrant absorbing Galactus' blasts, then Galactus could've easily done the same thing to Tyrant seeing that they both have the same bio-spheric energy. That's as straight up as it can possibly get, bros. Depowered Tyrant > Galactus according to that fight. What you are implying is ridiculous. Galactus depowered Tyrant at the height of his power and yet you want us to believe Tyrant is more powerful than big G in his lower form? You actually think Ganymede or Thanos would have a prayer against a being more powerful than Galactus? Galactus would make stains of Thanos easily. Tyrant did not. Tyrant prepped for his encounter with Big G.

I love people who try and hold on DS and his TRUE form or that DS performed multiversal feats in FC when he did NO such thing. Thanos doesn't have many low showings... DS on the other hand does... you average them all out... DS is lucky to be high end Trans.

As for this thread... Tyrant with ease. The team is pretty much one shot and DS take a little bit, but is put down with little difficulty. As usual Allan and Nvr are missing context in which DS amps people.. it's NOT on the fly spur of the moment as this fight would be. When Tyrant is kicking his teeth in, he's not going to have time to prep to amp people, won't have his tech around to assist in said amping. He will be getting his sh1t pushed in

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I don't get how their fight was not straight up. Tyrant used his own abilties to hurt Galactus who in turn got desperate and tried to utilize his tech, which again, did not work too well for him. It's not like Tyrant only won because of using Galactus' tech against him.

Now if by 'context', you two were referring to Tyrant absorbing Galactus' blasts, then Galactus could've easily done the same thing to Tyrant seeing as they both have the same bio-spheric energy. That's as straight up as it can possibly get, bros. Depowered Tyrant > Galactus according to that fight. So Tyrant has the tools to beat Galactus those same tools wouldnt work on other skyfathers he wont be absorbing Darkseids Ob he wouldnt absorb Odins energy blasts and get empowered by them. Galactus blasted Tyrant and made him stronger due to their relationship Tyrant was able to get the upper hand Tyrant is not abstract level because he had the right tools to make Galactus look like the jobber he is so yeah ignore the context and act like his fight with Galactus is a benchmark for his power level

Originally posted by Comics Queen
What you are implying is ridiculous. Galactus depowered Tyrant at the height of his power and yet you want us to believe Tyrant is more powerful than big G in his lower form? You actually think Ganymede or Thanos would have a prayer against a being more powerful than Galactus? Galactus would make stains of Thanos easily. Tyrant did not. Tyrant prepped for his encounter with Big G.

You have NO clue what you're talking about. The writer and artist made this crystal clear, but clearly not enough for you.

Galactus usually ALWAYS talks down to his foes and doesn't even think of them as threats. He's down so with Ego, Mephisto, In-betweener etc etc. Yet with Tyrant, HE BACKED down the first time they met and LET tryant take HIS herald. Why you ask.. Galactus own words tell us... He didn't want to WRECK Galaxies in the COLLATERAL damage of their fight. Seems like Galactus viewed Tyrant as legitimate threat to him.. depowered or not.

For proof of that.. sure... Then Galactus specifically finds a planet ripe with nutrients to feed on BEFORE the battle. Not only does Galactus usually talk down to his foes... he rarely ever feeds before battle. He did so against Tyrant. Why.. because he knew he was facing a tough hombre.

More proof.... On the way to the battle between Tyrant and Galactus.. Surfer is speeding towards the battle and goes.. I need to get there before they DESTROY EACHOTHER. Surfer knows full well how powerful Galactus is and Tyrant is. He feared them killing eachother in battle. Yet more proof of what level Tyrant was on. The writer couldn't have been more clear.

Then we see Tyrant tooling high end heralds like they were nothing more than flies to him. Somethings DS rarely ever does. Then he beats Thanos who some consider Mid/low Skyfather.. Mind you a PREPPED and AMPED Thanos, and made him leave for fear of dying. Now, take a look at the Thanos vs Odin fight.. Thanos wasn't prepped or amped when he faced Tyrant. In a much longer battle Thanos NEVER ONCE thought about leaving or had any fear of dying. He wanted to continue fighting. Against tyrant, in a much shorter period of time, he left for fear of dying (Thanos rarely does this).

What does all this point to... Tyrant being really powerful and a threat to Galactus.. whether in his depowered state or not. Against DS.. he walks all over DS and this team.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
The same reason Superman doesn't sun dip every story, or Flash doesn't IMP everyone in the first few seconds of the story, or Wonder Woman doesn't lasso all of her enemies. Where would the story be if he did that? Also Elite Top Tiers cannot defeat two other Elite Top Tiers and a Mid-High Herald. Also Takion, provided the body of power to completely reconstruct the celestial city. A top tier cannot do that. The reason is simple you still don't have enough feats or what not to put Stayne on or near Superman or Doomsday level. Both of which have soundly defeated Darkseid.

Yes, elite top tiers can do so. Look at Thor's run in blood and thunder for instance.

There are greater power feats than this this is just another impressive feat but which does not put him in another class despite your intentions to do so.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So Tyrant has the tools to beat Galactus those same tools wouldnt work on other skyfathers he wont be absorbing Darkseids Ob he wouldnt absorb Odins energy blasts and get empowered by them. Galactus blasted Tyrant and made him stronger due to their relationship Tyrant was able to get the upper hand Tyrant is not abstract level because he had the right tools to make Galactus look like the jobber he is so yeah ignore the context and act like his fight with Galactus is a benchmark for his power level

False. Read my post above. Tyrant absorbing Galactus blast was NOTHING Galactus couldn't do himself. They BOTH feed of the same bio energy. It was just that Tyrant DIDN'T blast Galactus. However, something that both parties can do, all of sudden isn't an advantage to one party and made the difference. Doesn't work that way. They both have that ability. To say nothing of my entire post above PROVES Tyrant was a threat to Galactus and it came straight from the horse's mouth.. absorbing or no absorbing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False. Read my post above. Tyrant absorbing Galactus blast was NOTHING Galactus couldn't do himself. They BOTH feed of the same bio energy. It was just that Tyrant DIDN'T blast Galactus. However, something that both parties can do, all of sudden isn't an advantage to one party and made the difference. Doesn't work that way. They both have that ability. To say nothing of my entire post above PROVES Tyrant was a threat to Galactus and it came straight from the horse's mouth.. absorbing or no absorbing. You aren't convincing anyone. Tyrant clearly didn't steam roll Thanos, Something Galactus can do with ease.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False. Read my post above. Tyrant absorbing Galactus blast was NOTHING Galactus couldn't do himself. They BOTH feed of the same bio energy. It was just that Tyrant DIDN'T blast Galactus. However, something that both parties can do, all of sudden isn't an advantage to one party and made the difference. Doesn't work that way. They both have that ability. To say nothing of my entire post above PROVES Tyrant was a threat to Galactus and it came straight from the horse's mouth.. absorbing or no absorbing. Both have the power to absorb Be but Tyrant actually absorbed it from Galactus and by Tyrants own words it EMPOWERED him that did give Tyrant an advantage one he wouldnt have if it were Zeus blasting his ass with lightning or Odin blasting him with high end skyfather level energy blasts. Point is Tyrant has the tools to fight Galactus but those same tools would be useless against somebody not named Galactus deny it all you want most people see his encounter with Galactus for what it really was and I can live with that

Originally posted by Comics Queen
You aren't convincing anyone. Tyrant clearly didn't steam roll Thanos, Something Galactus can do with ease.

Counter my post above this one. All of it proved what level Tyrant was on and that Galactus feared Tyrant. Can't denying the clear presentation of multiple comics. Tyrant was a threat to Galactus and Galactus and others knew it.

By the way.. Thanos has almost mind raped Galactus and has also blasted him across a moon with ease. Just breaching Thanos's shields caused Galactus to deplete vital energies and needed to feed again. I'd say Thanos has also done decent against Galactus.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Both have the power to absorb Be but Tyrant actually absorbed it from Galactus and by Tyrants own words it EMPOWERED him that did give Tyrant an advantage one he wouldnt have if it were Zeus blasting his ass with lightning or Odin blasting him with high end skyfather level energy blasts. Point is Tyrant has the tools to fight Galactus but those same tools would be useless against somebody not named Galactus deny it all you want most people see his encounter with Galactus for what it really was and I can live with that

Counter my long post then. All of those FACTS prove it WASN'T the absorbing of this or that which made the difference. Galactus was WELL AWARE of his powers. My whole post proves Tyrant was indeed a threat to Galactus and not one time, did they say he was a threat because he could absorb his blasts. Not once. He was a threat because he was that damn powerful.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Counter my post above this one. All of it proved what level Tyrant was on and that Galactus feared Tyrant. Can't denying the clear presentation of multiple comics. Tyrant was a threat to Galactus and Galactus and others knew it.

By the way.. Thanos has almost mind raped Galactus and has also blasted him across a moon with ease. Just breaching Thanos's shields caused Galactus to deplete vital energies and needed to feed again. I'd say Thanos has also done decent against Galactus. Thanos mind raped Galactus who was unsuspecting. He also was prepared with shields that were not his standard.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Thanos mind raped Galactus who was unsuspecting. He also was prepared with shields that were not his standard. Shields are his standard equipment he just used what he had access to as he didn't prepare for a confrontation it was a last ditch effort.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Counter my long post then. All of those FACTS prove it WASN'T the absorbing of this or that which made the difference. Galactus was WELL AWARE of his powers. My whole post proves Tyrant was indeed a threat to Galactus and not one time, did they say he was a threat because he could absorb his blasts. Not once. He was a threat because he was that damn powerful. I stated facts as I have always done in vs threads with Tyrant I stated how Tyrant empowered by a blast that not only made him cry out in pain but knock him threw the hull of Galactus' ship. Are you really saying if Galactus' blast didnt empower him and instead it had that same effect on him that his attack on Thanos had the fight wouldnt have been different? Lol the bias you want Tyrant to look superior to skyafthers thats great but dont force your opinion on others without actual proof

Originally posted by Comics Queen
What you are implying is ridiculous. Galactus depowered Tyrant at the height of his power and yet you want us to believe Tyrant is more powerful than big G in his lower form? You actually think Ganymede or Thanos would have a prayer against a being more powerful than Galactus? Galactus would make stains of Thanos easily. Tyrant did not. Tyrant prepped for his encounter with Big G.

It was Galactus who prepped against Tyrant, buddy. He went out of his way to eat a planet, just for his upcoming and inevitable confrontation with Tyrant. Hell, he even let Tyrant keep his herald; that's how scared he was.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So Tyrant has the tools to beat Galactus those same tools wouldnt work on other skyfathers he wont be absorbing Darkseids Ob he wouldnt absorb Odins energy blasts and get empowered by them. Galactus blasted Tyrant and made him stronger due to their relationship Tyrant was able to get the upper hand Tyrant is not abstract level because he had the right tools to make Galactus look like the jobber he is so yeah ignore the context and act like his fight with Galactus is a benchmark for his power level

You seem to be under the impression that Darkseid's Omega Effect would do anything to Tyrant for some reason. May I ask why?

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Thanos mind raped Galactus who was unsuspecting. He also was prepared with shields that were not his standard.

Thanos didn't 'mind-rape' Galactus on his own. Moondragon was there for a reason.

I was using it as an example obviously whether it will do something isnt the point of the example bro

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shields are his standard equipment he just used what he had access to as he didn't prepare for a confrontation it was a last ditch effort. He was in his ship. He was talking to his ship and the ship provided the shielding he used to protect himself against Galactus. Those were not his standard.

Let's not forget that the ALE is a permanent part of DS's powerset. Tyrant will bend to his will.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Let's not forget that the ALE is a permanent part of DS's powerset. Tyrant will bend to his will. Sounds kinda kinky I knew Darkseid was a doo doo chaser

Originally posted by iceman24567
Sounds kinda kinky I knew Darkseid was a doo doo chaser He had a wife, I'm almost sure of it.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
He had a wife, I'm almost sure of it.

Darkseid was a villain, borderline evil, but once his mom killed his wife, the man turned truly nightmarish evil.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
He was in his ship. He was talking to his ship and the ship provided the shielding he used to protect himself against Galactus. Those were not his standard. He frequently has access to his tech just like he did against the Walker which makes it his standard equipment. Originally posted by Comics Queen
Let's not forget that the ALE is a permanent part of DS's powerset. Tyrant will bend to his will. How so ? The fc retconned it.

Originally posted by SquallX
Darkseid was a villain, borderline evil, but once his mom killed his wife, the man turned truly nightmarish evil. Actually, he was a decent guy when Suli was alive. But yeah, after Desaad assasinated her, he went very dark. Even killing his own brother and assasinating his mom Queen Heggra, via poison administered by Desaad.

Simbon: We've seen what happens when someone jacks his herald. Mephisto tried it with Surfer, Galactus invaded his realm and was stalemating him. As we all know, Mephy is skyfather or elder god strong in his world.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He frequently has access to his tech just like he did against the Walker which makes it his standard equipment. How so ? The fc retconned it.


Just for the record, that wouldn't make it standard equipment. TI Thanos had no tech on him or whatsoever.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Actually, he was a decent guy when Suli was alive. But yeah, after Desaad assasinated her, he went very dark. Even killing his own brother and assasinating his mom Queen Heggra, via poison administered by Desaad.

Decent guy is a step too far. He was a bad, bad person but in the way Lex Luthor is a bad person, IE: there might still be hope for redemption.

That ended when Suli died though.

So we all agree Tyrant take DS convincingly?

I've seen scans that indicated Suli was weaning him from his mother's influence, but fair point. His mom did that deliberately to make him into her heir.

DP Tyrant would sink his claws into DS and rip him in two in a fashion that would make a berserk Sentry envious.

DS isn't doing jack sh-t to Tyrant, DP or otherwise.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So we all agree Tyrant take DS convincingly? Tyrant has done nothing on Panel that DS has not also done or done better.

Originally posted by Bentley
Just for the record, that wouldn't make it standard equipment. TI Thanos had no tech on him or whatsoever. Yes, it does. Thanos doesn't even need shields now currently anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. Thanos doesn't even need shields now currently anyways.


I'm not saying he doesn't have shields of him, I was talking about his ship.

Originally posted by Bentley
I'm not saying he doesn't have shields of him, I was talking about his ship. Thanos can be deprived of his tech he was taken by the cc and then went to a strange verse. Iron Man can be robbed of his tech for a story as well doesn't mean he doesn't have standard for forum fights and the same goes for Thor's hammer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos can be deprived of his tech he was taken by the cc and then went to a strange verse. Iron Man can be robbed of his tech for a story as well doesn't mean he doesn't have standard for forum fights and the same goes for Thor's hammer.


Except Thanos didn't have his tech for the whole length of an story arc, in the same way there is a DOS Doomsday there is a TI Thanos which has no tech and is considered "current Thanos".

I mean, the guy came back from the death and came back invincible, you cannot say it's just a change of suits.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
You seem to be under the impression that Darkseid's Omega Effect would do anything to Tyrant for some reason. May I ask why?


Of course the Omega Effect would affect Tyrant that's his most powerful attack. His regular energy OBs have affected beings as high up as Imperiex to the Spectre.

As far the OE is concerned only Mxy (that I've seen) was unaffected by it.

Saying Tyrant won't be affected by the OE is laughable. Whether it'll win him the fight is matter for debate, but they'll certainly hurt him.

Originally posted by Bentley
Except Thanos didn't have his tech for the whole length of an story arc, in the same way there is a DOS Doomsday there is a TI Thanos which has no tech and is considered "current Thanos".

I mean, the guy came back from the death and came back invincible, you cannot say it's just a change of suits. Because of the events of the story as I have already explained. If Thor comes back and doesn't have his hammer we don't not include his hammer.

Originally posted by Allankles
As far the OE is concerned only Mxy (that I've seen) was unaffected by it.



Superman, Orion, and Wonder Woman's wrist bands.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Superman, Orion, and Wonder Woman's wrist bands. Orion and Superman have both been affected by the Omega Heat Vision. But Orion uses the same energy source as DS. The Source. I wouldn't count him. Superman never resisted the OE. And WW's bracers are stronger than Tyrant's Durability.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Superman, Orion, and Wonder Woman's wrist bands.

Superman has been affected. So has Orion. The Astro Force is part of the source, so yes, he has resistance. Hell, he's used the AF to block the attack.

And the bracers? Are you kidding me? Entire pantheons have failed to break that shield, as have countless other skyfathers and other entities. She's got one of the best defences in comics. That's not a low showing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because of the events of the story as I have already explained. If Thor comes back and doesn't have his hammer we don't not include his hammer.


You lost me here, what were we discussing?

Originally posted by Bentley
You lost me here, what were we discussing? Thanos' tech.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' tech.


So what made you think he actually had tech on him when he came back? If I recall correctly he didn't use a single shield after coming back.

Originally posted by Bentley
So what made you think he actually had tech on him when he came back? If I recall correctly he didn't use a single shield after coming back. He didn't use shields all the time in half of his arcs. He doesn't always use one just like Thor doesn't always use his godblast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't use shields all the time in half of his arcs. He doesn't always use one just like Thor doesn't always use his godblast.


But he appeared naked and the Guardians provided a suit, he never went to look for his own tech.

Are you implying is out of character for Thanos to use shields?

Originally posted by Bentley
But he appeared naked and the Guardians provided a suit, he never went to look for his own tech.

Are you implying is out of character for Thanos to use shields? I am saying he hasn't used shields before against Tyrant or against Odin so he doesn't always use shielding. He also had invisi shields against Drax in annihilation without his normal battle tech on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying he hasn't used shields before against Tyrant or against Odin so he doesn't always use shielding. He also had invisi shields against Drax in annihilation without his normal battle tech on.


I believe he can shield himself using his own Power Cosmic, that wouldn't count as tech though.

Originally posted by Bentley
I believe he can shield himself using his own Power Cosmic, that wouldn't count as tech though. Then you agree he can use shielding. Good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you agree he can use shielding. Good.


I'm glad we agree his tech shields are not standard equipment

Originally posted by Bentley
I'm glad we agree his tech shields are not standard equipment I believe they are but I really don't even see him needing his shields anymore.

Of course they are standard equipment. Just because he doesn't use them all the time, doesn't mean they are standard. What are you basing them not being standard on?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course they are standard equipment. Just because he doesn't use them all the time, doesn't mean they are standard. What are you basing them not being standard on?


Quanchi just convinced me.

You just said.. they AREN'T his standard equipment.. based on what?

Originally posted by Bentley
Quanchi just convinced me. I said it was his standard equipment.

back to the battle, pls.

will DS be raising shields?pr1983

DS has shields, he just doesn't need them. He usually just tanks blasts, if he lets them hit him period.

Please show me DS shield feats please so I have an idea how weak.. I mean strong they are

I just said it. He doesn't use them often, if at all.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I just said it. He doesn't use them often, if at all. i'll post some in a bit.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please show me DS shield feats please so I have an idea how weak.. I mean strong they are
First one Orion tries to smash shields made of Omega Energy to no effect.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/smash0st.jpg
Next DS traps Ares in Space and time. Force block kinda but also can be used as shields since Not even the Godwave powered Ares could break them.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg16.jpg

DS shield was able to repel the entire efforts of the JLA
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA14pg16.jpg

A batarang=the JLA?

Originally posted by King Kandy
A batarang=the JLA?
I would argue a Batarang>>the JLA. awesome

yes...besides the rock of ages is supposed to be used as viable evidence to canon characters due to the historical rewrite and the universe correcting itself.

it is like using one of the characters from house of M or age of apocalypse story and pass it off as the canon version of the character.

Originally posted by King Castle
yes...besides the rock of ages is supposed to be used as viable evidence to canon characters due to the historical rewrite and the universe correcting itself.

it is like using one of the characters from house of M or age of apocalypse story and pass it off as the canon version of the character.

WRONG. I proved Rock of Ages was canon a long time ago.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=456981&pagenumber=4

we know the story happen as an off shoot of the main reality being being altered. i am not wrong b/c once the universe resets it can not be used as a source of feats for the character no more than other main characters in marvel using feats from alternate futures once the reality reasserts themselves as the main U..

besides if you had bn here more often you would know that PR ruled against using rock of ages.