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Rank the following combatants in terms of mma skill and ability.

Cassandra Cain
Bronze Tiger
Batman Bruce
Lady Shiva
Black Canary
Red Hood Jason
Batman Dick
Connor Hawke

Cass
Shiva
Tiger
Bruce
Canary
Dick
Hawke
Jason

Originally posted by Q99
Cass
Shiva
Tiger
Bruce
Canary
Dick
Hawke
Jason

this was done by dc b4 back when i was still reading around 03
in a competition for the greatest martial artist batman didnt participate
even though he is dc greatest combatant(also not including old school char) followed by connor who defeated lady shiva bronze tiger is NOT that tough its just the name+his ruthlessness that makes him bad
then the rest!

Originally posted by praying-mantis
this was done by dc b4 back when i was still reading around 03
in a competition for the greatest martial artist batman didnt participate
even though he is dc greatest combatant(also not including old school char) followed by connor who defeated lady shiva bronze tiger is NOT that tough its just the name+his ruthlessness that makes him bad
then the rest!

Lady Shiva beat Conner. It was impressive he was able to put up a good fight, but Tim Drake had to ask her to spare his life in the end.

Bronze Tiger has both beaten Batman, and done *really* well against Deathstroke the Terminator. Ben Turner has always been one of the scariest martial artists in DC.

Cassandra wasn't around for that competition, but has beaten Shiva multiple times.

I would put White Canary in there somewhere. Probably top 5.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I would put White Canary in there somewhere. Probably top 5.

She only had that one fight in BOP, although impressive I need to see more. A lot of new characters get wanked in the beginning.
If you put her in the top 5, who are you taking out?

Originally posted by Supermutant
Rank the following combatants in terms of mma skill and ability.

Cassandra Cain
Bronze Tiger
Batman Bruce
Lady Shiva
Black Canary
Red Hood Jason
Batman Dick
Connor Hawke

MMA???wtf happend to good old MA? ohh those UFC fanboys i tell you in couple generations people wont know anything about real fighting arts all they will know is just roid up and ground pound

Originally posted by Supermutant
She only had that one fight in BOP, although impressive I need to see more. A lot of new characters get wanked in the beginning.
If you put her in the top 5, who are you taking out?

Canary and Bruce. Dick as well. She was said to be better than Shiva and she took on Canary and Huntress at the same time without breaking a sweat. Plus she has stats to dodge metas and weapons to take out Hawk.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
MMA???wtf happend to good old MA? ohh those UFC fanboys i tell you in couple generations people wont know anything about real fighting arts all they will know is just roid up and ground pound Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
MMA???wtf happend to good old MA? ohh those UFC fanboys i tell you in couple generations people wont know anything about real fighting arts all they will know is just roid up and ground pound You do realize most mma fighters mastered a martial art or two before becoming mma fighters right?

Originally posted by iceman24567
You do realize most mma fighters mastered a martial art or two before becoming mma fighters right?

yes i also realize most of them are just gorilaz using roids that just throw random punches and people think wow they had boxing practice Lol they are just throwing some random punches and using ground and pound , in the place of true warrior spirit came roid using gorilaz

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
yes i also realize most of them are just gorilaz using roids that just throw random punches and people think wow they had boxing practice Lol they are just throwing some random punches and using ground and pound , in the place of true warrior spirit came roid using gorilaz Actually MOST of them were martial artists before becoming mma fighters. Ground and pound is essential in the sport so I dont get your problem with it. You may have had an argument 12-15 years ago when most Mma fighters were tough brawlers but now its different just shows you know squat about the sport

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Canary and Bruce. Dick as well. She was said to be better than Shiva and she took on Canary and Huntress at the same time without breaking a sweat. Plus she has stats to dodge metas and weapons to take out Hawk.

Black Canary beat her after Huntress left 1 on 1, after a lot of effort. I think Black Canary could beat Shiva now.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Black Canary beat her after Huntress left 1 on 1, after a lot of effort. I think Black Canary could beat Shiva now.

Nah, she used the Canary cry for the win and it was hinted that WC planned it all along.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Rank the following combatants in terms of mma skill and ability.

Cassandra Cain
Bronze Tiger
Batman Bruce
Lady Shiva
Black Canary
Red Hood Jason
Batman Dick
Connor Hawke

Shiva
Bronze Tiger
Cass
Hawk
Bruce
Dick
Canary
Jason

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Nah, she used the Canary cry for the win and it was hinted that WC planned it all along.

She did use the cry which gave her only a momentary advantage, WC recovered landed three blows in succession. Then BC tackled her through a window, they landed on a van, and WC passed out. Her plan was to BC to kill Shiva.

Yeah, and WC pretty much had the advantage. Even BC stated this.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, and WC pretty much had the advantage. Even BC stated this.

She had the advantage but still didn't win. Anyway it seems to me that once WC said she was going to kill BC friends and family, BC got focused enough to end it.

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if it werent for the scream, canary would have lost. even gail has said as much online.

Even with the scream, that's IMO one of her better showings, considering what WC did earlier.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shiva
Bronze Tiger
Cass

Cass beat Shiva multiple times and Tiger bows to her as better.

Cassandra being a bit better than Shiva is one of the most definitive parts of the rankings.

Cass slighty ahead of Shiva-I think the count is tied 2,2. However in one of the fights Cass didn't have her ability to read moves, and in the second one Mr. Freeze interfered (Shiva was winning anyway though). But Cass did kill Shiva in their last fight.
Bronze Tiger third barely ahead of Bruce. He beat Bruce already but Bruce has gotten better while Tiger's feats are lacking.
Black Canary has gotten a significant push ever since she beat Savant and underwent training similar to Shiva.
Connor Hawke performed well doing the monkey cult arc and even made Shiva bleed and possible broke some of her bones. Recently, however not many feats.
Nightwing keeps getting better and Jason Todd has had good showings against Dick.

Originally posted by Q99
Even with the scream, that's IMO one of her better showings, considering what WC did earlier.



Cass beat Shiva multiple times and Tiger bows to her as better.

Cassandra being a bit better than Shiva is one of the most definitive parts of the rankings.

Get a pen and write this down, because I've tiered of saying it. CASS BEATS SHIVA BECAUSE OF CIS. Done. It has been stated, on panel, that Cass beats Shiva because Shiva has a death wish and wants Cass to kill her. Batgirl is not more skilled than Shiva.

Imo:

Lady Shiva
Cassandra Cain
Batman Bruce
Bronze Tiger
Connor Hawke
Batman Dick \___ Interchangeable.
Black Canary /
Red Hood Jason

Originally posted by Supermutant
Rank the following combatants in terms of mma skill and ability.

Cassandra Cain
Bronze Tiger
Batman Bruce
Lady Shiva
Black Canary
Red Hood Jason
Batman Dick
Connor Hawke

Shiva
Cass
Bronze Tiger
Bruce
Hawke
Dinah
Dick
Jason

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Get a pen and write this down, because I've tiered of saying it. CASS BEATS SHIVA BECAUSE OF CIS. Done. It has been stated, on panel, that Cass beats Shiva because Shiva has a death wish and wants Cass to kill her. Batgirl is not more skilled than Shiva.


I'm pretty sure I've pointed out several times that repeating it doesn't make it true.

What you're overlooking is Cass said she had been traveling the world seeking her own death. I.e. that's how she fights against everyone, not a Cass-specific thing.

And, again, multiple times no less, and everyone, Shiva included, calls it a proper win.

Not to mention Cassandra has better feats in many areas like speed, dodginess, and facing superhuman foes.


I can see calling them on the same level. But no-one in the DC universe seems to agree with you, and it really isn't CIS when it's both entirely consistent with Cassandra's overall performance, and the reason you claim is something that is mentioned to be a general thing and not specific to fighting Cassandra.


You can call CIS a hundred times, but it'd still be wrong every single time.

Srank reads comics with special goggles.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Rank the following combatants in terms of mma skill and ability.

Cassandra Cain
Bronze Tiger
Batman Bruce
Lady Shiva
Black Canary
Red Hood Jason
Batman Dick
Connor Hawke


Pure skill.

Cass
Shiva
Batman
Tiger
Connor

Fighting ability

Cass/Batman
Shiva
Tiger
Connor

Originally posted by Q99
I'm pretty sure I've pointed out several times that repeating it doesn't make it true. You should know by now - when srank is trying to push an agenda, no argument, as valid as it may be, will stand in his way.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Imo:

Lady Shiva
Cassandra Cain
Batman Bruce
Bronze Tiger
Connor Hawke
Batman Dick \___ Interchangeable.
Black Canary /
Red Hood Jason
what feats does connor hawke have?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Actually MOST of them were martial artists before becoming mma fighters. Ground and pound is essential in the sport so I dont get your problem with it. You may have had an argument 12-15 years ago when most Mma fighters were tough brawlers but now its different just shows you know squat about the sport

oh give me a break so most of them took some karate classes or something in that area so we should call them martial artists? if you go to some freakin karate class in your suburbs 3 times a week and after that go eat pizza while playing black ops should i consider you a martial artist? give me a break i come from the world of martial arts and when i look at how MOST not all but MOST and specially heavy weights fight i just see random punches not directed at all to any particular target, a well trained martial artist throws an acurate punch which connects to the opponent not throwing around dozens of punches hoping one of them will connect and KO the opponent

i know GSP had some background machida and couple more and i am not talking only about karate background i am talking overall, but most of the fighters are goons that after entering ufc went and trained in "boxing" and "bjj" and they cant use it properly they are trying to do something on the ground but only people like you who cant understand how the things are suppose to be would think they are trained

they throw big names and ritch history of so called martial art training but when you see them fight you just see big goons exchanging blows , most of them are punching so randomly and look at the people who dominate the UFC... juniour dos santos? cain? or big foot silva? i know he is from strike force but still...they dont know anything special they just brawl but due to there endurance and punching power they manage to beat everybody up, as i said roid up gorilaz

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
what feats does connor hawke have?

holding his own against shiva (bruising and even possibly breaking bones, something she remarked hadn't happened in a long time). beating a guy that nightwing and robin working together couldn't take down in h2h. holding his own against batgirl while trying to talk her down at the same time.

iirc he was also stated by batman to be the second best MA in all of dc.

a lot of that (from what i remember, and it has been a while) was in dixon's run, and with that ymmv.

Originally posted by -Pr-

iirc he was also stated by batman to be the second best MA in all of dc.

Not too long before Cass came along and stole his thunder

When he first came out they pushed him hard, but that eased up a bit. He is definitely in the 'good enough to provide a tough fight to anyone,' category like Canary and current Dick, but I have trouble ranking him among the very top fighters.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Srank reads comics with special goggles.

You mean I don't read comics will squinting through the narrow eye slots of a Batman Halloween mask while watching the Dark Knight on a infinite loop? Yeah.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm pretty sure I've pointed out several times that repeating it doesn't make it true.

What you're overlooking is Cass said she had been traveling the world seeking her own death. I.e. that's how she fights against everyone, not a Cass-specific thing.

And, again, multiple times no less, and everyone, Shiva included, calls it a proper win.

Not to mention Cassandra has better feats in many areas like speed, dodginess, and facing superhuman foes.


I can see calling them on the same level. But no-one in the DC universe seems to agree with you, and it really isn't CIS when it's both entirely consistent with Cassandra's overall performance, and the reason you claim is something that is mentioned to be a general thing and not specific to fighting Cassandra.


You can call CIS a hundred times, but it'd still be wrong every single time.

It was directly stated on panel that Cass beat Shiva because she had a deathwish... the fact the same deathwish would apply to her other loses around the same time period, doesn't change that fact it was the reason Cass was able to defeat Shiva. If you would like to throw aspersions on other Lady Shiva loses, then by my guest, most of them already have extenuating circumstances that allowed for her defeat in the first place. Cass beat Shiva because of CIS, not because she was more skilled, saying that the CIS would apply to all her loses doesn't somehow remove it as a reason for Cass winning... it just makes it a circumstance that needs to be considered during all her loses around the same time period.

Originally posted by -Pr-
iirc he was also stated by batman to be the second best MA in all of dc.


I don't think Batman ever said that, Nightwing said something which basically amounted to him believing Connor was more skilled than Bruce... and Batman grumbled.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
oh give me a break so most of them took some karate classes or something in that area so we should call them martial artists? if you go to some freakin karate class in your suburbs 3 times a week and after that go eat pizza while playing black ops should i consider you a martial artist? give me a break i come from the world of martial arts and when i look at how MOST not all but MOST and specially heavy weights fight i just see random punches not directed at all to any particular target, a well trained martial artist throws an acurate punch which connects to the opponent not throwing around dozens of punches hoping one of them will connect and KO the opponent

i know GSP had some background machida and couple more and i am not talking only about karate background i am talking overall, but most of the fighters are goons that after entering ufc went and trained in "boxing" and "bjj" and they cant use it properly they are trying to do something on the ground but only people like you who cant understand how the things are suppose to be would think they are trained

they throw big names and ritch history of so called martial art training but when you see them fight you just see big goons exchanging blows , most of them are punching so randomly and look at the people who dominate the UFC... juniour dos santos? cain? or big foot silva? i know he is from strike force but still...they dont know anything special they just brawl but due to there endurance and punching power they manage to beat everybody up, as i said roid up gorilaz You can shut up now you proved you know jack squat have a nice day

Originally posted by iceman24567
You can shut up now you proved you know jack squat have a nice day

so you cant disprove my points? because you know i am right now get lost jerk

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You mean I don't read comics will squinting through the narrow eye slots of a Batman Halloween mask while watching the Dark Knight on a infinite loop? Yeah.
Lulz.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Rank the following combatants in terms of mma skill and ability.

Cassandra Cain
Bronze Tiger
Batman Bruce
Lady Shiva
Black Canary
Red Hood Jason
Batman's Dick
Connor Hawke

lady shiva
cassandra cain
bronze tiger
batman bruce
batman's dick
black canary
connor hawke
red hood jason

Batman's dick knows mma?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman's dick knows mma?
Of course.

Doggy style kung-fu

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
so you cant disprove my points? because you know i am right now get lost jerk You already shitted on your on points. Cain Velasquez just a Gorrila? He spent most of his life training in one of the oldest forms of combat weestling striking is not his stick if he werent a good wrestling Cheick Kong would have beat him standing. Anderson Silva, Gsp, Bj Penn, Fedor, Jose Aldo, Frankie Edgar, Brock Lesnar, Rampage all champs or former champs have trained in some form of combat since they were young teenagers ATLEAST. You think some talentless Gorrila with little background in fighting can just come in and ko these guys? Possible but 9/10 they destroy said gorrila in one way or another. You proved you know jack squat about mma

Originally posted by iceman24567
You already shitted on your on points. Cain Velasquez just a Gorrila? He spent most of his life training in one of the oldest forms of combat weestling striking is not his stick if he werent a good wrestling Cheick Kong would have beat him standing. Anderson Silva, Gsp, Bj Penn, Fedor, Jose Aldo, Frankie Edgar, Brock Lesnar, Rampage all champs or former champs have trained in some form of combat since they were young teenagers ATLEAST. You think some talentless Gorrila with little background in fighting can just come in and ko these guys? Possible but 9/10 they destroy said gorrila in one way or another. You proved you know jack squat about mma

as i said before just because at some point or another they went and took some leasons doesnt mean they can be described as martial artists, i mean your averege street thug could take couple boxing leasons it doesnt make him a boxer

overall when i see a fight i look at how the fighter fights, when i see most of them fight i dont see any elements of trained martial arts fighting, look at cain look at juniour look at the no good talantless brock lasner ... they just overpower there way with heavy fists and indurance thats it, yes many of them got some wrestling background but so does every freakin person on earth i mean at some point almost every person on earth took some wrestling or boxing leasons so now what? every human being is a trained fighter?

as i said before i dont want fighters to do acrobatic stunts like jackie chan or jet lee thats not fighting but what i want to see is well placed blows, speed, defence, and overall combined skills that actually represent the world of martial arts, what those guys represent is the world of fighting yes but what they represent is all wrong because people like cain or juniour dos santos are very rare most people that will try to just fight like that will lose its due to there endurance and very powerful punches they manage to dominate but not skills

and to tell you the truth i am not that impressed with fedor, he throws way too many wild punches trying to get the early knock out he forgot about his ground game he adapted himself a new strategy which is ko the opponent right away but when he meets up someone who can take his punches .... you saw him vs antonio

Originally posted by Q99
Not too long before Cass came along and stole his thunder

When he first came out they pushed him hard, but that eased up a bit. He is definitely in the 'good enough to provide a tough fight to anyone,' category like Canary and current Dick, but I have trouble ranking him among the very top fighters.

shrug

i said nothing to the contrary, though i would put him above Canary or Dick.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't think Batman ever said that, Nightwing said something which basically amounted to him believing Connor was more skilled than Bruce... and Batman grumbled.

i could be remembering it wrong, i dunno...

but it IS you, so i'm not sure. mmm

Originally posted by -Pr-
shrug

i said nothing to the contrary, though i would put him above Canary or Dick.



i could be remembering it wrong, i dunno...

but it IS you, so i'm not sure. mmm

I'm always right, that's just one of the many reasons why I am universally loved and adored on KMC. I also have good teeth.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
as i said before just because at some point or another they went and took some leasons doesnt mean they can be described as martial artists, i mean your averege street thug could take couple boxing leasons it doesnt make him a boxer

overall when i see a fight i look at how the fighter fights, when i see most of them fight i dont see any elements of trained martial arts fighting, look at cain look at juniour look at the no good talantless brock lasner ... they just overpower there way with heavy fists and indurance thats it, yes many of them got some wrestling background but so does every freakin person on earth i mean at some point almost every person on earth took some wrestling or boxing leasons so now what? every human being is a trained fighter?

as i said before i dont want fighters to do acrobatic stunts like jackie chan or jet lee thats not fighting but what i want to see is well placed blows, speed, defence, and overall combined skills that actually represent the world of martial arts, what those guys represent is the world of fighting yes but what they represent is all wrong because people like cain or juniour dos santos are very rare most people that will try to just fight like that will lose its due to there endurance and very powerful punches they manage to dominate but not skills

and to tell you the truth i am not that impressed with fedor, he throws way too many wild punches trying to get the early knock out he forgot about his ground game he adapted himself a new strategy which is ko the opponent right away but when he meets up someone who can take his punches .... you saw him vs antonio Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
as i said before just because at some point or another they went and took some leasons doesnt mean they can be described as martial artists, i mean your averege street thug could take couple boxing leasons it doesnt make him a boxer

overall when i see a fight i look at how the fighter fights, when i see most of them fight i dont see any elements of trained martial arts fighting, look at cain look at juniour look at the no good talantless brock lasner ... they just overpower there way with heavy fists and indurance thats it, yes many of them got some wrestling background but so does every freakin person on earth i mean at some point almost every person on earth took some wrestling or boxing leasons so now what? every human being is a trained fighter?

as i said before i dont want fighters to do acrobatic stunts like jackie chan or jet lee thats not fighting but what i want to see is well placed blows, speed, defence, and overall combined skills that actually represent the world of martial arts, what those guys represent is the world of fighting yes but what they represent is all wrong because people like cain or juniour dos santos are very rare most people that will try to just fight like that will lose its due to there endurance and very powerful punches they manage to dominate but not skills

and to tell you the truth i am not that impressed with fedor, he throws way too many wild punches trying to get the early knock out he forgot about his ground game he adapted himself a new strategy which is ko the opponent right away but when he meets up someone who can take his punches .... you saw him vs antonio What you are saying makes zero sense and proves you hav we no clue what you are talking about Brock Lesnar is a talented wrestler stand up is second to his wrestling he has to train stand up its part of mma same with Cain hes a national champ stand up is second in his game they didnt take wrestling classes they were divison one champs you moron. Why dont you actually learn about the guys in the sport before trash talking

It was directly stated Shiva always had a death wish and that's why she's always travelled the world in her fights.

It's her motive for all her fights, not CIS. Deal with it.


The only time it *might* not apply is after Cass killed her, but it'd apply to every fight beforehand.


Originally posted by -Pr-
shrug

i said nothing to the contrary, though i would put him above Canary or Dick.

Yea, I'm just elaborating, not disagreeing



i could be remembering it wrong, i dunno...

but it IS you, so i'm not sure. mmm

Originally posted by Q99
It was directly stated Shiva always had a death wish and that's why she's always travelled the world in her fights.

It's her motive for all her fights, not CIS. Deal with it.


The only time it *might* not apply is after Cass killed her, but it'd apply to every fight beforehand.




Yea, I'm just elaborating, not disagreeing



i could be remembering it wrong, i dunno...

but it IS you, so i'm not sure. mmm

And she lost to Cass because she subconsciously wants to die. Pointing out that you can retroactively apply that extenuating circumstance to all Shiva's other previous fights, doesn't change anything...

Just because Shiva wants to die doesn't mean she'd throw the fight anymore than Deadshot's deadwish made him hold back during all his battles in the Suicide Squad.

A Deathwish doesn't necessarily equate to diminished capacity, just a deathwish.

Shiva isn't going to lose to someone who wouldn't beat her normally just out of some wish to die, she's a proud martial artist.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Just because Shiva wants to die doesn't mean she'd throw the fight anymore than Deadshot's deadwish made him hold back during all his battles in the Suicide Squad.

A Deathwish doesn't necessarily equate to diminished capacity, just a deathwish.

Shiva isn't going to lose to someone who wouldn't beat her normally just out of some wish to die, she's a proud martial artist.

It does when it was stated to be the reason she lost. Deadshot's death wish or Punisher's death wish or the movie Death Wish staring Charles Bronson are irrelevant. Batgirl said Shiva lost because she had a death wish. That's what was stated. She has a subconscious desire to be killed, which is apparently enough of an advantage for a top tier martial artist to get a win over her, without having to be more skilled.

Originally posted by Q99
Cass
Shiva
Tiger
Bruce
Canary
Dick
Hawke
Jason

Why is Jason so low.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It does when it was stated to be the reason she lost. Deadshot's death wish or Punisher's death wish or the movie Death Wish staring Charles Bronson are irrelevant.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
lady shiva
cassandra cain
bronze tiger
batman bruce
batman's dick
black canary
connor hawke
red hood jason Despite your lack of mma knowledge I agree with your list for the most part

Originally posted by iceman24567
What you are saying makes zero sense and proves you hav we no clue what you are talking about Brock Lesnar is a talented wrestler stand up is second to his wrestling he has to train stand up its part of mma same with Cain hes a national champ stand up is second in his game they didnt take wrestling classes they were divison one champs you moron. Why dont you actually learn about the guys in the sport before trash talking

i get it you are another brock wanker arent you, listen retardo brock lasner has no talent and no skills at all, he just began fighting in the ufc got his ass kicked by opponents who could actually fight and became a heavyweight champion with the record of 3 wins and 1 loss thats so retarded you can clearly see dana handed him this belt on a golden plate because dana white is desperate to have an american captain america champion like he promoted cuture, chuck, but brock lasner takes the whole cake as a no good not talented fighter of them all

brock lasner sucks at stand up - fact

brock lasnet suck at wrestling and can only mount his opponents and using his huge ass to pin them down to the ground then he just ground and pount them like a lazy idiot - fact

brock lasner has no stamina at all and just tire himself up after couple swings - fact

you know shit about fighting or sport fighting - fact

now go wank your fat boys in speedo

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
i get it you are another brock wanker arent you, listen retardo brock lasner has no talent and no skills at all, he just began fighting in the ufc got his ass kicked by opponents who could actually fight and became a heavyweight champion with the record of 3 wins and 1 loss thats so retarded you can clearly see dana handed him this belt on a golden plate because dana white is desperate to have an american captain america champion like he promoted cuture, chuck, but brock lasner takes the whole cake as a no good not talented fighter of them all

brock lasner sucks at stand up - fact

brock lasnet suck at wrestling and can only mount his opponents and using his huge ass to pin them down to the ground then he just ground and pount them like a lazy idiot - fact

brock lasner has no stamina at all and just tire himself up after couple swings - fact

you know shit about fighting or sport fighting - fact

now go wank your fat boys in speedo Lol at Brock Lesnar a All American division one wrestling champ having no talent. Do you know what division 1 wrestling is? Do you know what national means? Brocks boxing is sub par on average good thing hes a huge former national wrestling champ to make up for it. I cant stand the guy but he has some of the best wrestling credentials in the ufc. Its plain as day that you dont know squat about mma like I thought from the get go time to get back on topic and your on ignore

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman's dick knows mma? Yours doesn't?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lol at Brock Lesnar a All American division one wrestling champ having no talent. Do you know what division 1 wrestling is? Do you know what national means? Brocks boxing is sub par on average good thing hes a huge former national wrestling champ to make up for it. I cant stand the guy but he has some of the best wrestling credentials in the ufc. Its plain as day that you dont know squat about mma like I thought from the get go time to get back on topic and your on ignore

come on man you cant be serious trying to clame here that brock freakin lasner is a good fighter... i mean seriously? the guy suck at stand up, sucks at wrestling, doesnt have stamina to go on ... i mean come on you can see those facts when he is fighting he can wrestly down his opponents but after he is on top and they are under him he doesnt know what to do

but dont believe me just watch this video it will explain the things better than i can
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVNbMtgpvW8

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

And she lost to Cass because she subconsciously wants to die. Pointing out that you can retroactively apply that extenuating circumstance to all Shiva's other previous fights, doesn't change anything...


It means that Shiva was fighting at the same level she's always fought at, for one thing. Adding a new motive doesn't change a characters skill, it means that the writers were not writing a downgraded Shiva.

For it to be CIS, it'd have to be her fighting at a lower level than in the past. Which it specifically was not.


Originally posted by SquallX
Why is Jason so low.

Because I consider the others slightly better, nothing against him.

He's about equal with Nightwing-Dick, and Dick's gotten an upgrade since then.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
come on man you cant be serious trying to clame here that brock freakin lasner is a good fighter... i mean seriously? the guy suck at stand up, sucks at wrestling, doesnt have stamina to go on ... i mean come on you can see those facts when he is fighting he can wrestly down his opponents but after he is on top and they are under him he doesnt know what to do

but dont believe me just watch this video it will explain the things better than i can
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVNbMtgpvW8 Stop and get back on topic you tried to make a point and failed miserably get over it im done with you
Originally posted by Q99
It means that Shiva was fighting at the same level she's always fought at, for one thing. Adding a new motive doesn't change a characters skill, it means that the writers were not writing a downgraded Shiva.

For it to be CIS, it'd have to be her fighting at a lower level than in the past. Which it specifically was not.




Because I consider the others slightly better, nothing against him.

He's about equal with Nightwing-Dick, and Dick's gotten an upgrade since then. I concur Jason is good but the guys placed above him are better

Originally posted by iceman24567
Stop and get back on topic you tried to make a point and failed miserably get over it im done with you


only one who failed here is you, you know very well that brock is a no skilled no talented fighter that dana white wants to promote but even danas wankary couldnt save brock from being exposed as the nobody he really is face it and stop replying with nothing to say just because you have some kind of inferiority complex and you feel you must reply at any cause , you were wrong wow deal with it and move on

lol

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
only one who failed here is you, you know very well that brock is a no skilled no talented fighter that dana white wants to promote but even danas wankary couldnt save brock from being exposed as the nobody he really is face it and stop replying with nothing to say just because you have some kind of inferiority complex and you feel you must reply at any cause , you were wrong wow deal with it and move on Im wrong but you mad

Originally posted by iceman24567
Im wrong but you mad

inferiority complex indeed

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
inferiority complex indeed Yet you still mad

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yet you still mad

nop i only like to expose your inferiority complex

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
nop i only like to expose your inferiority complex That sounds a lot like an inferiority complex.

Originally posted by Mindset
That sounds a lot like an inferiority complex.

nop... it sounds like i love to expose people with inferiority complex

Originally posted by Mindset
That sounds a lot like an inferiority complex. Exactly he mad

Optic Blast is mad.

Now let's move on.