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Phoenix vs. Superman
Storm vs Wonder Woman
Quicksilver vs Flash
Iceman vs Aquaman
Archangel vs Hawkman
Wolverine vs Batman
Cyclops vs The Ray
Gambit vs Green Arrow
Psylocke vs Black Canary
Cable vs Green Lantern
Rouge vs Supergirl
Bishop vs Martain Manhunter
X-23 vs Robin(Tim Drake)


Who takes it?

Which version of Phoenix are we using?

Otherwise:

Wonder Woman.
Flash.
Aquaman via tp, if not, Iceman
Not sure how Archangel is right now, last time I checked though, probably Warren.
Wolverine
The Ray
Green Arrow
Green Lantern if it's any of the best ones.
Supergirl probably.
Martian Manhunter.
X-23.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Which version of Phoenix are we using?

Otherwise:

Wonder Woman.
Flash.
Aquaman via tp, if not, Iceman
Not sure how Archangel is right now, last time I checked though, probably Warren.
Wolverine
The Ray
Green Arrow
Green Lantern if it's any of the best ones.
Supergirl probably.
Martian Manhunter.
X-23.


Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by -Pr-
Which version of Phoenix are we using?

Otherwise:

Wonder Woman.
Flash.
Aquaman via tp, if not, Iceman
Not sure how Archangel is right now, last time I checked though, probably Warren.
Wolverine
The Ray
Green Arrow
Green Lantern if it's any of the best ones.
Supergirl probably.
Martian Manhunter.
X-23.

This, but with Hawkman over Archangel.

Then Dark Phoenix soloes.

Originally posted by society619
Phoenix vs. Superman
Storm vs Wonder Woman
Quicksilver vs Flash
Iceman vs Aquaman
Archangel vs Hawkman
Wolverine vs Batman
Cyclops vs The Ray
Gambit vs Green Arrow
Psylocke vs Black Canary
Cable vs Green Lantern
Rouge vs Supergirl
Bishop vs Martain Manhunter
X-23 vs Robin(Tim Drake)


Who takes it?


Are we going with this year's DCnU version of these characters or the 2003 to roughly first half 2011 version of them?

Makes for significant differences in strategy, power, and fight experience.

At any rate:


Phoenix vs. Superman

See P.R.'s question. DCnU Superman has more determination and more resourcefulness in battle from what I can see than 2011 Superman, but slightly less overall power.
If it's a powerful version, I'd have to give this to Phoenix.

If it's an average version, though, either Superman could win, though it'd be rough going for the current incarnation.


Storm vs Wonder Woman

Got to give this to Wonder Woman.
She's simply too strong, unless everyone gets a full debriefing of the full extent of everyone's powers before this begins, for Storm to reasonably account and prepare for. 2003 to 2011 version, that is.
Fairly even fight if we go with current Wondy from what I can see, though. And, while on the subject, I will point out that it IS possible for a strong enough jolt of electricity to stop even 2011 Diana.


Quicksilver vs Flash

2011 Flash rolls. Current version, unsure. Innately feel 6 or 7 out of 10 in current Flash's favor, but only because I expect Justice League to show us how much he has learned and improved and increased his power. The Flash that fought Superman in the current incarnation of the DCU, just before Darkseid's appearance? Quicksilver would probably take THAT guy.


Iceman vs Aquaman

Got to go with Iceman. Fighting a guy whose water based and you can FREEZE water solid at will? Yeah, got to go with Iceman here

Archangel vs Hawkman

Don't know enough about Archangel. Don't know enough about Hawkman current or prior. Hope this isn't the kind of thread where Hawk brings the Claw of Horus, though ...


Wolverine vs Batman

How much prior knowledge do combatants have of each other?
Current Batman comes packed with a lot of stuff.
2011 Batman, while perhaps not SO loaded for bear, is legendary for making assessments and his fight adaptability.
Needs to have SOME idea of how insane Wolverine's durability and healing factor make him, though, else he loses badly.


Cyclops vs The Ray

I have no idea who or what the Ray is.
My instinct says Cyclops, but, seeing as how even P.R. voted against that, and Cyke his stated all-time favorite character, I'm not sure.

Gambit vs Green Arrow

Gambit. I like Green Arrow better, in fact, don't like Gambit at all, but Gambit has the ability to create some very large directed explosions that I DON'T see Green Arrow able to defend against on the fly.

Psylocke vs Black Canary
Even.


Cable vs Green Lantern

Green Lantern, if some 2011 version. Not sure about current.

Rouge vs Supergirl

Assuming "Rogue"? For the X-men roster has expanded like, FIVE fold since the time I was a regular reader of the series back in the nineties.

Supergirl 2011? Slight edge to Supergirl.
Rogue is a tactician, though. Witness her fight against the powerful team-wrecker Exodus in X-Men's Legacy, 261, I believe.
Steals his power to teleport, goes for help, borrows meta-ability via touch from the best mutants in range of contact over many miles to even the odds, and comes back to put him down long enough to reason with.
Even split or slightly in Rogue's favor if current Supergirl is used.
The current Supergirl is sometimes overwhelmed by her own abilities.
Double-edged sword if Rogue tries to "steal"...

Bishop vs Martain Manhunter

2011? Unless Bishop knows Martian Manhunter has a fire weakness...
Don't know anything about the current DCnU version of Manhunter.

X-23 vs Robin(Tim Drake)

Current Robin Drake? Don't know.
2011 Drake? Needs to have some prior knowledge about the girl.
If he does he has a good chance, possibly even an even split.
He loses if he knows nothing about her, though.

Phoenix vs. Superman=Phoenix
Storm vs Wonder Woman=WW
Quicksilver vs Flash=Flash
Iceman vs Aquaman=Iceman (AM can might get a few wins with mindrape)
Archangel vs Hawkman=not sure
Wolverine vs Batman=logan w/o prep bats w/ prep
Cyclops vs The Ray= The ray
Gambit vs Green Arrow= not sure
Psylocke vs Black Canary whoever gets first hit although Betsy is more powerful
Cable vs Green Lantern=GL for the majority...I am a bit confused when it comes to gl's vs tp attacks.
Rouge vs Supergirl=SG although rouge might make a fight out of this w/o the initial blitz...
Bishop vs Martain Manhunter=MM
X-23 vs Robin(Tim Drake)=X-23

Aside.


Interesting:

Storm, second best unarmed combatant of the X-men after Wolverine (unless X-23 and Psylocke have since surpassed her?).

Versus Black Canary.

Street fight or ring match.
Environment-appropriate weapons or none at all.



Tangent note: Always felt that Virtua Fighter's designer was going for Ororo's look when he designed Vanessa for VF4.
People forget Storm can actually throw down.
Probably because she's always shown controlling weather and little else.

It's rather comparable to the case of The Enchantress, who no one ever regards as a physical fighter because they only ever see her casting spells or trying to charm people. In point of fact, Enchantress is strong enough to crush solid rock in her hands, with scarcely more effort than you or I cracking an egg, and lightly slapped even She-Hulk away the first time they met back in the original Secret Wars:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=554068&pagenumber=3


But I digress.

Noted that Storm has physical prowess that might be comparable to the following, indeed has scored several impressive wins hand-to-hand over the years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vxMq-8psLs
(2 min 5 sec)


Interesting to consider, no matter the angle.




More interesting still, again from that list above:

Pre-DCnu Martian Manhunter's alter ego: Fernus the Burning.
Versus Dark Phoenix.

AWESOME matchup versus Phoenix, if the trade JLA: Trial by Fire is any indicator. He could puppet probably half of her own teammates to fight against her, would be all but immune to fire, could strike while invisible, shapeshift, increase his strength by growing to immense size ...

Fernus versus practically any number of powerful X-Men would be crossover gold.




Anyway couldn't help but think those 2 thoughts, seeing your choices.

Phoenix vs. Superman = Phoenix
Storm vs Wonder Woman = Storm
Quicksilver vs Flash = Flash
Iceman vs Aquaman = Iceman
Archangel vs Hawkman = Hawkman
Wolverine vs Batman =Wolverine
Cyclops vs The Ray = The Ray
Gambit vs Green Arrow = Gambit
Psylocke vs Black Canary = Psylocke
Cable vs Green Lantern = Green Lantern
Rouge vs Supergirl = Supergirl
Bishop vs Martain Manhunter = Martain Manhunter
X-23 vs Robin(Tim Drake) = X-23


7-6 X Men

Originally posted by society619
Phoenix vs. Superman
Storm vs Wonder Woman
Quicksilver vs Flash
Iceman vs Aquaman
Archangel vs Hawkman
Wolverine vs Batman
Cyclops vs The Ray
Gambit vs Green Arrow
Psylocke vs Black Canary
Cable vs Green Lantern
Rouge vs Supergirl
Bishop vs Martain Manhunter
X-23 vs Robin(Tim Drake)


Who takes it?

Dark Phoenix stomp
Wonder Woman kills Storm in probably the most unfair match-up
Flash murder Quicksilver
Lol, Aquaman... Iceman kill shit shit out of him
Hawkman destroy Archangel
Wolverine slice and dice the Bat, and easely at that. Prep or no prep involved
The Ray
More often then not, I'd give it to the Green Arrow
Psylocke stomp
Most likely Supergirl
Martian Manhunter shit all over Bishop
X-23 kills Robin. All of them.

Dark Phoenix? Really? This thread is retarded.

As for the vote up there, Dark Phoenix clears the house.
If we remove it from the thread along Superman, Dc crap on the X-Men, and it's not even funny. Seriously, they don't have an answer to Martian Manhunter.

Without Phoenix, Superman or MMH could solo.

Superman vs Dark Phoenix...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3qcqlkXa51qj47y6.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This, but with Hawkman over Archangel.

Then Dark Phoenix soloes.

I wasn'#t sure due to Archangel's recent upgrades, tbh.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Iceman vs Aquaman

Got to go with Iceman. Fighting a guy whose water based and you can FREEZE water solid at will? Yeah, got to go with Iceman here


Water-based?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Without Phoenix, Superman or MMH could solo.

Martian Manhunter, for sure, Superman, probably too, yeah.

I like how people are up in arms over Phoenix fighting Superman but say nothing about the Manhunter matchup.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Dark Phoenix stomp
Wonder Woman kills Storm in probably the most unfair match-up
Flash murder Quicksilver
Lol, Aquaman... Iceman kill shit shit out of him
Hawkman destroy Archangel
Wolverine slice and dice the Bat, and easely at that. Prep or no prep involved
The Ray
More often then not, I'd give it to the Green Arrow
Psylocke stomp
Most likely Supergirl
Martian Manhunter shit all over Bishop
X-23 kills Robin. All of them.


You know that Storm has beaten Wonder Woman before right?

Originally posted by society619
I like how people are up in arms over Phoenix fighting Superman but say nothing about the Manhunter matchup.

Because the Phoenix one is ridiculously in favour of Phoenix. Even more-so than the J'onn v Bishop one.

Originally posted by society619
You know that Storm has beaten Wonder Woman before right?

in a badly written crossover, yes. even her manner of winning wouldn't work on the real wonder woman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because the Phoenix one is ridiculously in favour of Phoenix. Even more-so than the J'onn v Bishop one.


That's only if you're saying Bishop has a better chance of beating Manhunter than Superman has of beating Phoenix.


in a badly written crossover, yes. even her manner of winning wouldn't work on the real wonder woman.

Alot of poorly written crossovers are used in cases, this one is no different, she still won.

Originally posted by society619
That's only if you're saying Bishop has a better chance of beating Manhunter than Superman has of beating Phoenix.




Alot of poorly written crossovers are used in cases, this one is no different, she still won.

He does, tbh.

We don't use crossovers in debates on the forum though. Not as proof or evidence, anyway.

The DC VS Marvel that had those fights is the actual reason we don't use them and had to ban them.

Superman........................ loses hard
Wonder Woman
Flash
Iceman
Archangel unless new hawkman has a power up
Wolverine
Cyclops
Gambit
Psylocke
Green Lantern
Supergirl
Martain Manhunter
X-23

If all current

Rip in peace Xmen/Justice League. Dark Phoenix kills both teams by herself.