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H2H combat both at their very best and peak, who wins how and why?

Midnighter likes being fisted, so they both win.

Iron Fist. 10/10.

Good fight.

IF 7/10. Midnighter is a beast, and a good example of what someone near IF's level would do if they let loose. Speed isn't a big difference either, but IF has the bigger hits.

Midnighter 6/10.

Fist for the vast majority

Iron Fist wins.

Originally posted by Mindset
Midnighter likes being fisted, so they both win.

yucky

Rand ftw.. good fight though

Midnighter is getting really undersold here. Mids for at least 8/10.

rand

Originally posted by KingD19
Midnighter is getting really undersold here. Mids for at least 8/10.

Which version?

Very best Midnighter would be Pre-52 version.

It's still unknown which is superior. DCnU Midnighter can actually surpass WS's, because DC has way more metas than WS. He's already taken punishment from a Red Lantern and will be facing off against Etrigan.

IF 8/10.

Originally posted by Glorificus
IF 8/10.

You think he can easily break through his armor/by pass his healing?

Hasn't Danny's chi fist destroyed a helicarrier?

Originally posted by Glorificus
Hasn't Danny's chi fist destroyed a helicarrier?

Midnighter isn't just going to stand there and he's taken punishment from stronger opponents. If IF gets the most powerful blow in, then he'd win.

Rand does work.

The thing is, IF can unleash AOE chi blast can't he?

Unless Midnighter can phase, how's he going to dodge an AOE blast?

AOE blast?

Originally posted by Golgo13
AOE blast?
MMO talk

Area of Effect blast.

Originally posted by Glorificus
The thing is, IF can unleash AOE chi blast can't he?

Unless Midnighter can phase, how's he going to dodge an AOE blast?

Midnighter is quite easily one of the fastest opponents Rand has ever gone up against. He's taken down speedsters that other speedsters have had trouble with.

MNer gets hit by streets all the time.

IF runs on train on his anus.

Originally posted by zopzop
MMO talk

Area of Effect blast.

Gotcha.

IF 7/10

Originally posted by KingD19
Midnighter is quite easily one of the fastest opponents Rand has ever gone up against. He's taken down speedsters that other speedsters have had trouble with.

MN is, at best, as fast as Danny. He doesn't heal as quickly and he doesn't hit as hard. Mn basically has combat precog, but Danny is skilled enough to fight against someone who knows his every move and has literally proven it over and over. On top of that is the versatility of the ironist in aoe, cutting and ranged attacks. Danny's not losing a majority anyway I see it.

When was the last time IF used such an attack on someone? How big was the attack? Midnighter could use the door or simply jump over it like he recently did to a huge monster Stormwatch was fighting.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
MN is, at best, as fast as Danny. He doesn't heal as quickly and he doesn't hit as hard. Mn basically has combat precog, but Danny is skilled enough to fight against someone who knows his every move and has literally proven it over and over. On top of that is the versatility of the ironist in aoe, cutting and ranged attacks. Danny's not losing a majority anyway I see it.



The obvious example of someone slower than Danny hitting someone faster, is Slade vs Flash, but Spidey's also tagged Speed Demon and Quicksilver, and he's nowhere near as quick..

Val Armorr, he's been tagged by Batman and other streets. He's also tagged, and avoided hits from, Flash level speedsters. AND, Val has his own speed feats, that prove he's closer to a Flash in reaction and combat speeds, than he is to Batman.

Does MN have comparable speed feats to Danny, outside of tagging speedsters?

Originally posted by cdtm


Does MN have comparable speed feats to Danny, outside of tagging speedsters?

Like I said, I nuMN hasn't racked up a ton of feats yet.

Old MN bullet-timed, blitzed people and once kicked a tank round out of mid-air. So yeah, he's up there.