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Majestic- Wildstorm

VS

Thor

1) Speed is equalized.
2) Normal status for both
3) Thor enters Warrior Madness

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Majestic- Wildstorm

VS

Thor

1) Speed is equalized.
2) Normal status for both
3) Thor enters Warrior Madness

This has been done but:

1)Thor his damage soak is freakin nuts
2)Majestic
3)Thor

Originally posted by snowdragon
This has been done but:

1)Thor his damage soak is freakin nuts
2)Majestic
3)Thor

It hasn't been done for a slugfest.

1. Thor. Most physical stats are a wash but Thor gets the damage soak vote for me.

2. It's a slug fest, why does speed matter?

3. Thor.

Even if it is a slugfest Thor is alot slower and is getting in alot less shots then Maj.

Thor is not likely to win #2.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


2. It's a slug fest, why does speed matter?



Majestic will land more punches than Thor because of his speed.

Thor x3

1. Maj
2. Maj
3. Thor

I've never taken slug fest to mean taking turns hitting each other.

:/

For me it always meant to be punching with as much volume and power as possible with a total disregard for defense.

So yeah, in that case speed being equalized in one scenario vs another does matter.

Originally posted by ares834
1. Maj
2. Maj
3. Thor

Thor
Maj
Thor

1&2 are really close... No need for 3...

Originally posted by ares834
1. Maj
2. Maj
3. Thor

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor
Maj
Thor

1&2 are really close... No need for 3...

The problem with number three is that speed is not equalized there, so yeah, its not one sided.

Majestic.

"slugfest" means no Mjolnir right?

^No Mjolnir I'm guessing.

Personally, I always assumed that slug fests are compromised of individuals taking turns punching each other.

In that case, Majestic edges out the second assuming he unleashes CBR style punches. However, that's assuming diminishing effect aren't play. In comics, multiple punches are far less damaging then one haymaker usually. One recent example that comes to mind is Superman vs. Orion.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^No Mjolnir I'm guessing.

Personally, I always assumed that slug fests are compromised of individuals taking turns punching each other.

In that case, Majestic edges out the second assuming he unleashes CBR style punches. However, that's assuming diminishing effect aren't play. In comics, multiple punches are far less damaging then one haymaker usually. One recent example that comes to mind is Superman vs. Orion.


I always say slugfests like hockey fights and they are all about punches thrown not you punch, wait I punch wait that's so wank sauce.


Light speed reflexs and planet moving strength wouldn't need a TON of punches to win vs Thor which is why number 2 is all Maj but the other two imo favor thor.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I always say slugfests like hockey fights and they are all about punches thrown not you punch, wait I punch wait that's so wank sauce.


Light speed reflexs and planet moving strength wouldn't need a TON of punches to win vs Thor which is why number 2 is all Maj but the other two imo favor thor.

Wank sauce? What?

I'd really like to see a scan of a barrage of blows putting down a peer in strength down. Because I see this kind of logic used very often and yet most of the time, from what I've seen, speed blitzes are treated like light jabs in comparison to a real punch.

I simply don't think that on average, a barrage is going to do anything more to Thor that one haymaker could not. It's just now how comics work in my experience. I'm assuming there are exceptions (At least I hope there are) but often I see it being treated like the rule.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wank sauce? What?

I'd really like to see a scan of a barrage of blows putting down a peer in strength down. Because I see this kind of logic used very often and yet most of the time, from what I've seen, speed blitzes are treated like light jabs in comparison to a real punch.

I simply don't think that on average, a barrage is going to do anything more to Thor that one haymaker could not. It's just now how comics work in my experience. I'm assuming there are exceptions (At least I hope there are) but often I see it being treated like the rule.


Are you really going to go there, Thor get's 2 out of 3 and you want to fight about the 3rd? Thor is relatively slow to speedsters thats how it is, I mean Thor in a slugfest nothing exotic is going to be a punching doll for super fast punches compared to his hits and u want to argue that?


That's not a debate you just want to argue.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Are you really going to go there, Thor get's 2 out of 3 and you want to fight about the 3rd? Thor is relatively slow to speedsters thats how it is, I mean Thor in a slugfest nothing exotic is going to be a punching doll for super fast punches compared to his hits and u want to argue that?


That's not a debate you just want to argue.

This isn't even about Thor. I don't care if he wins the second fight or not.

This is a fundamental flaw that I find in the way people think based on the evidence that I've seen.

Why are people assuming Thor will be a standing still statue while Majestic hits him with full on haymakers instead of super speed punches that are treated as far less damaging and akin jabs? What comics exist that actually support the idea that this is how it works?

I can see the logic behind it, that's probably how things would work in real life. But that's now how comics work.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This isn't even about Thor. I don't care if he wins the second fight or not.

This is a fundamental flaw that I find in the way people think based on the evidence that I've seen.

Why are people assuming Thor will be a standing still statue while Majestic hits him with full on haymakers instead of super speed punches that are treated as far less damaging and akin jabs? What comics exist that actually support the idea that this is how it works?

I can see the logic behind it, that's probably how things would work in real life. But that's now how comics work.


That's not the flaw that's YOUR flaw. Split that mindset and reverse it, now Majestros has super speed and has To painfully wait for Thor punches easy to dodge easy to avoid and Thor can dodge some punches.........not near as many. It's a hugely flawed logic on your part thinking its one sided.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This isn't even about Thor. I don't care if he wins the second fight or not.

This is a fundamental flaw that I find in the way people think based on the evidence that I've seen.

Why are people assuming Thor will be a standing still statue while Majestic hits him with full on haymakers instead of super speed punches that are treated as far less damaging and akin jabs? What comics exist that actually support the idea that this is how it works?

I can see the logic behind it, that's probably how things would work in real life. But that's now how comics work.

Hahaha.

Would you mind describing super speed for me? Do you think its a super power?

So hold up! If Majestic is using Superspeed to punch quick, his punches hurt less then say if he was....not using Superspeed? WTF!

Originally posted by snowdragon
That's not the flaw that's YOUR flaw. Split that mindset and reverse it, now Majestros has super speed and has To painfully wait for Thor punches easy to dodge easy to avoid and Thor can dodge some punches.........not near as many. It's a hugely flawed logic on your part thinking its one sided.

Wait, Majestros can dodge hits? Then that alone would give him a advantage.

Who said it's one sided? What are you even talking about?

Originally posted by Spire
Hahaha.

Would you mind describing super speed for me? Do you think its a super power? Originally posted by xJLxKing
So hold up! If Majestic is using Superspeed to punch quick, his punches hurt less then say if he was....not using Superspeed? WTF!

I don't understand what's hard to comprehend.

Majestros uses super speed and punches Thor 20 times in quick succession or whatever. That's great, but my comic book experiences points to this being annoying but not hugely damaging. And not as effective as one haymaker.

Don't complain to me, I'm just basing this on what I've read and I'm willing to post scans.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't understand what's hard to comprehend.

Majestros uses super speed and punches Thor 10 times in quick succession. That's great, but my comic book experiences points to this being annoying but not hugely damaging. And not as effective as one haymaker from him. Do you have enough that explains this? I can't comprehend how power is lost just because I decide to hits you using Superspeed. It's one thing to say that it's weaker then a full-on hit/charged hit, or hit supported by body weight (or other factors), but what you are claiming is something entirely different

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So hold up! If Majestic is using Superspeed to punch quick, his punches hurt less then say if he was....not using Superspeed? WTF! I don't think ure understanding him.

One actual strike is always really fast. When u start chaining them together, comics always seem to treat them as if they were jabs like from a real life boxer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't understand what's hard to comprehend.

Me neither, but I'll give it another go.

Will you please describe super speed? Do you think it is a super power?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I don't think ure understanding him.

One actual strike is always really fast. When u start chaining them together, comics always seem to treat them as if they were jabs from a real life boxer.
I understand him perfectly, but i think he is comparing hits support by weight or other momentum/factors.

Anyways, I can see where this debate is going. Apparently, any sort of superblitz is going to be useless because...he is using Superspeed....

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Do you have enough that explains this? I can't comprehend how power is lost just because I decide to hits you using Superspeed. It's one thing to say that it's weaker then a full-on hit/charged hit, or hit supported by body weight (or other factors), but what you are claiming is something entirely different

I don't believe it's ever been explained. I'm just telling you how comics work in my experience.

Superman punched Orion not too long ago like a 100 times and he smiled. Flash punches Captain Cold 200 times in the face and he was still conscious IIRC. I personally don't know how to it, I'm just basing it on what I've seen.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't believe it's ever been explained. I'm just telling you how comics work in my experience.

Superman punched Orion not too long ago like a 100 times and he smiled. Flash punches Captain Cold 200 times in the face and he was still conscious IIRC. I personally don't know how to even explain shit like that.
Wouldn't that be considered pulling your punches? Unless you think Superman meant to kill Orion; same for flash story?

I understand what you mean, but that argument works in a completely different ways. That same argument can be made for nearly every attack that isn't stated to be as much power.

Majestic has the skill edge, even if speed is equalized for reaction time. And yes, he actually does have the skill edge, Thor fans. I'm one of you...but Maj is a Kheran warlord. He trumps.

As most have been saying, Thor in OP's 1 and 3. Majestic in 2.

Originally posted by Spire
Me neither, but I'll give it another go.

Will you please describe super speed? Do you think it is a super power?

Yes.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I understand him perfectly, but i think he is comparing hits support by weight or other momentum/factors.

Anyways, I can see where this debate is going. Apparently, any sort of superblitz is going to be useless because...he is using Superspeed....

I guess throwing their weight behind it might make the difference.

That's not what I said, strawman is a strawman. But if you find my stance laughable, how about you post a scan of someone taking out a peer with a super speed punching barrage. It's not even for this discussion. I'm literally just curious if this happens in comics. It's late and I'm having trouble of coming up with an example. Flash would be your best bet I guess, but he's not really a strongman though.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor
Maj
Thor

1&2 are really close... No need for 3...

In scenario 3 Thor loses his strategic edge as Warrior Madness impairs his reasoning. Also, Majestic has his speed advantage in option 3.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wank sauce? What?

I'd really like to see a scan of a barrage of blows putting down a peer in strength down. Because I see this kind of logic used very often and yet most of the time, from what I've seen, speed blitzes are treated like light jabs in comparison to a real punch.

I simply don't think that on average, a barrage is going to do anything more to Thor that one haymaker could not. It's just now how comics work in my experience. I'm assuming there are exceptions (At least I hope there are) but often I see it being treated like the rule.

As a rule, "speed blitz/combo" style attacks tend to be less effective and damaging than a single blow in the world of comics.

Orion has shown to be a lot more durable in the new 52. In their last fight with First Born, Orion didn't need medical treatment, while WW was out 3 friggen days. This and his fight with Superman cements this.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Wouldn't that be considered pulling your punches? Unless you think Superman meant to kill Orion; same for flash story?

I understand what you mean, but that argument works in a completely different ways. That same argument can be made for nearly every attack that isn't stated to be as much power.

I don't think Superman intended to kill Orion at any point. But compare the haymaker he threw and then the barrage he unleashed in effectiveness.

What? That part has me confused.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes.



I guess throwing their weight behind it might make the difference.

That's not what I said, strawman is a strawman. But if you find my stance laughable, how about you post a scan of someone taking out a peer with a super speed punching barrage. It's not even for this discussion. I'm literally just curious if this happens in comics. It's late and I'm having trouble of coming up with an example. Flash would be your best bet I guess, but he's not really a strongman though.
Superman vs Probes come to mind...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
As a rule, "speed blitz/combo" style attacks tend to be less effective and damaging than a single blow in the world of comics.

That's what I'm saying.

But people acting like I'm arguing Thor will speed blitz Majestic or something.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has shown to be a lot more durable in the new 52. In their last fight with First Born, Orion didn't need medical treatment, while WW was out 3 friggen days. This and his fight with Superman cements this.
Wait.. A handful of showings cement that he's more durable than his preboot version?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think Superman intended to kill Orion at any point. But compare the haymaker he threw and then the barrage he unleashed in effectiveness.

What? That part has me confused.
Yes, a haymaker, charged punch is much different then a punch which doesn't have the same momentum.

For example
Stand still a swing your arm without using your body.
Stand still, use your body/shoulders/legs//etc to swing.

totally different energy. That I can understand. I can't understand you saying because a character is using Superspeed, we have to treat the attacks weaker because otherwise, it's too godly powerful...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes.

Well done. One down one to go.

Will you please describe super speed?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman vs Probes come to mind...

Superman vs. a Probe:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/superman172a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/superman172b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/superman172c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/superman172d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/superman172e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/superman172f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/superman172g.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/superman153b.jpg

Exactly my point. Look at that shit. When he speed blitzes, he's blows are a lot less effective in comparison to his attacks when he stands his ground. At least imo.

YOu understand that the entire fight was a speedblitz, from the start!

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes, a haymaker, charged punch is much different then a punch which doesn't have the same momentum.

For example
Stand still a swing your arm without using your body.
Stand still, use your body/shoulders/legs//etc to swing.

totally different energy. That I can understand. I can't understand you saying because a character is using Superspeed, we have to treat the attacks weaker because otherwise, it's too godly powerful...

I'm not talking a charging punch. I'm talking about Superman standing there and throwing a punch vs. many super speedblows.

I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm just telling you what I've seen based in comics. You want me to ignore the evidence I've seen just because its inconvenient and does not conform to real life logic?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
YOu understand that the entire fight was a speedblitz, from the start!

What? That's not making any sense. Elaborate more, it's late and I'm tired.

Agree to disagree then.

No point to continue. This isn't something I plan on changing my mind on. And it's getting late. Maybe tomorrow we will continue

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? That's not making any sense. Elaborate more, it's late and I'm tired. THe entire fight, Superman was using his superspeed to fight the probe. He got caught when the probe said, "enough". He breaks the lock and continues to blitz him. Lands a charged punch which breaks the armor

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Agree to disagree then.

No point to continue. This isn't something I plan on changing my mind on. And it's getting late. Maybe tomorrow we will continue

Fair enough but do you have any fights that come to mind that support your point?

Any fights that have a strongman using a super speed barrage to take out an opponent? The only thing that comes to mind is this:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry3.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry4.jpg

And even then, that haymaker he threw seemed to be a lot more effective then the jabs. Which is my entire point.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
THe entire fight, Superman was using his superspeed to fight the probe. He got caught when the probe said, "enough". He breaks the lock and continues to blitz him. Lands a charged punch which breaks the armor

Hmm? I'm not saying Superman was slow at any point but there's a clear difference between his initial attacks and his last blow and then super speed barrage in the middle.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait.. A handful of showings cement that he's more durable than his preboot version?

I meant compared to WW.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I meant compared to WW.
Ahh...

As he should be!

Yepers.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
THe entire fight, Superman was using his superspeed to fight the probe. He got caught when the probe said, "enough". He breaks the lock and continues to blitz him. Lands a charged punch which breaks the armor

Looks to me more like Superman used his heat vision and freeze breath to weaken the armor by making it brittle then broke it with one aimed power punch to that same spot. The blitz punches looked more like he was trying to keep the Probe off balance with them than to do any real damage.

shrug

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fair enough but do you have any fights that come to mind that support your point?

Any fights that have a strongman using a super speed barrage to take out an opponent? The only thing that comes to mind is this:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry3.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry4.jpg

And even then, that haymaker he threw seemed to be a lot more effective then the jabs. Which is my entire point.

Hmm? I'm not saying Superman was slow at any point but there's a clear difference between his initial attacks and his last blow and then super speed barrage in the middle.
To piggy back on ure point.. Even Orion when using "blitzing" blows is less effective as opposed to blows that he loads up with. Notice the last blow in which he actually puts some weight into..
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Orion/198905NewGods004p19.jpg

I'm curious. In both cases, how do we know that the final punch isn't at super speed?

Nothing suggests to me that they are not anymore than they are.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm curious. In both cases, how do we know that the final punch isn't at super speed?

Nothing suggests to me that they are not anymore than they are.

By the art.

Artists tend to be very explicit when they try to illustrate an attack as a speed attack or when it's not.

You have to produce evidence that something is a blitz attack (art, statements or narration will do tho) ppl don't have to produce evidence that it isn't (proving a negative and all that).

Except the art doesn't indicate anything either way and in both cases they are both coming after a clear speed blitz. In all honesty, I think one would have to prove that the character suddenly decided to slow down.

Heck, if anything in the Orion case the art seems to indicate the punch is at super speed.

Originally posted by ares834
Except the art doesn't indicate anything either way and in both cases they are both coming after a clear speed blitz. In all honesty, I think one would have to prove that the character suddenly decided to slow down.

Heck, if anything in the Orion case the art seems to indicate the punch is at super speed.

Again, burden of proof is on you as you can't have people try and prove a negative. If art (or any on panel evidence) isn't explicit about demonstrating super speed, it is assumed it isn't.

It was definitely thrown with a lot of speed behind it. But "blitz punches" aren't about the speed of one punch but the application of multiple punches at once. At least, that's how it looks like ppl are using it.

The art is very specific here. One panel shows Orion throwing many punches applied in a short time based on the art and SFX. The other panel is one big power punch.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Again, burden of proof is on you as you can't have people try and prove a negative. If art (or any on panel evidence) isn't explicit about demonstrating super speed, it is assumed it isn't.

It was definitely thrown with a lot of speed behind it. But "blitz punches" aren't about the speed of one punch but the application of multiple punches at once. The art is very specific here. At least, that's how it looks like ppl are using it.

One panel shows Orion throwing many punches applied in a short time based on the art and SFX. The other panel is one big power punch.

Burden of proof tends to rely on the one making the claim. Claiming that the punch is at normal speed after a blitz, IMO, requires proof; and no it isn't proving a negative.

If that's what he was arguing for fair enough. Of course a haymaker is gonna cause more damage than a jab. But I don't see why haymaker thrown at super speed would be any weaker than those at normal speed.

Originally posted by ares834
Burden of proof tends to rely on the one making the claim. Claiming that the punch is at normal speed after a blitz, IMO, requires proof; and no it isn't proving a negative.

If that's what he was arguing for fair enough.

No one is arguing that the punch was thrown at "normal speed". Hell, wouldn't that make the punch weaker? He's arguing that blitz punches tend to be much less effective individually vs a power punch due to the character putting much more force in a single power punch than he would his individual blitz punches.

Which makes sense and is also corroborated by comics.

1.Majestic
2. Majestic
3. Which version of warrior madness? Theorotical or which was actually shown twice in the comics twice?

Superman has actually used speed to boost up the power of his punches before.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1766/ccf1226201000010.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
1.Majestic
2. Majestic
3. Which version of warrior madness? Theorotical or which was actually shown twice in the comics twice?

Theoretical would seem best.

BLOOD AND THUNDER had Odin stating that Thor wasn't truly experiencing full warrior madness. That however is the closest to the actual thing we've ever seen. IIRC he entered Warrior Madness against the Hulk in an annual but the 2 were seperated by a nuclear blast before Thor got to cut loose.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has shown to be a lot more durable in the new 52. In their last fight with First Born, Orion didn't need medical treatment, while WW was out 3 friggen days. This and his fight with Superman cements this. Wonder Woman had just fought Artemis before she even engaged the First Born. Y'know... the goddess that utterly stomped her in their first fight and required the release of her bracers the second time around. And Orion came in towards the end of the First Born fight.

But I agree that a completely fresh Orion is more durable than an exhausted and wounded Diana.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Theoretical would seem best.

BLOOD AND THUNDER had Odin stating that Thor wasn't truly experiencing full warrior madness. That however is the closest to the actual thing we've ever seen. IIRC he entered Warrior Madness against the Hulk in an annual but the 2 were seperated by a nuclear blast before Thor got to cut loose.
He has also entered in Warrior madness against Adam Warlock in Thor 165-166 and didn't got that fabled 10x amp there too.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor
Maj
Thor

1&2 are really close...


3 Thor rage stomp the hell out Majestic

I guess Flash's 'IMP" must be totally useless since he's so fast............

Originally posted by snowdragon
I guess Flash's 'IMP" must be totally useless since he's so fast............

Who said that?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Who said that?

There was a discussion of faster punches not being effective so I threw in Flash IMP since if their logic is to follow faster punches are less effective then the Flash must be a useless puncher.

Originally posted by snowdragon
There was a discussion of faster punches not being effective so I threw in Flash IMP since if their logic is to follow faster punches are less effective then the Flash must be a useless puncher.

I think the argument was against blitz/combo/chain style multiple punches being depicted as not as effective as a single punch (whether that single punch was at superspeed or not) in the realm of comics.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think the argument was against blitz/combo/chain style multiple punches being depicted as not as effective as a single punch (whether that single punch was at superspeed or not) in the realm of comics.



Right which is why I brought up Flash who has used speed in punches to be effective. Blitz/combo/chain punches being depicted as not as effective is just a logical fallacy.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Right which is why I brought up Flash who has used speed in punches to be effective. Blitz/combo/chain punches being depicted as not as effective is just a logical fallacy.

It doesn't make sense, but comics tend to show that if a character blitzes another with some x hit combo and then later in the fight hits them with a single blow, odds are, that single blow is portrayed as more effective.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It doesn't make sense, but comics tend to show that if a character blitzes another with some x hit combo and then later in the fight hits them with a single blow, odds are, that single blow is portrayed as more effective.
uhuh
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has actually used speed to boost up the power of his punches before.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1766/ccf1226201000010.jpg

And we've seen character shrug off blitzes only for a single titanic punch to be the thing to topple them or damage them. To that end, I don't think blitzes or superspeed are instant win methods as they seem to be on forums in the general sense.

Except you can't discredit them thinking they won't hurt. A Haymaker with speed is the same thing as if they're was no speed

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And we've seen character shrug off blitzes only for a single titanic punch to be the thing to topple them or damage them. To that end, I don't think blitzes or superspeed are instant win methods as they seem to be on forums in the general sense.

Sure, but a character with super speed is going to be able to use far more power punches in a short time than one who doesn't.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Except you can't discredit them thinking they won't hurt. A Haymaker with speed is the same thing as if they're was no speed

I didn't say they wouldn't hurt.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Except you can't discredit them thinking they won't hurt. A Haymaker with speed is the same thing as if they're was no speed


Actually a haymaker with speed would produce FAR more power then a slow haymaker thrown by the same person.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And we've seen character shrug off blitzes only for a single titanic punch to be the thing to topple them or damage them. To that end, I don't think blitzes or superspeed are instant win methods as they seem to be on forums in the general sense.
Name one such instant. I can post a hundred flash fights in resonse to that.