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Every event, scenario and battle remains the same except for one difference.

http://www.aric-dacia.com/dcu/despero.jpg

Despero replaces World War Hulk.

What happens?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Every event, scenario and battle remains the same except for one difference.

Despero replaces World War Hulk.

What happens?

What form of Despero?

Does Despero get his TP?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
What form of Despero?

I think it would be more interesting for people to pick a Despero. For comprable effect I would presume the choices are between Py'Tar and V&V.

Originally posted by carver9
Does Despero get his TP?

Why wouldn't he?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I think it would be more interesting for people to pick a Despero. For comprable effect I would presume the choices are between Py'Tar and V&V.



Why wouldn't he?

So you admit he can't PHYSICALLY achieve what WWH achieved? With that said, Despero TP his way through World at War.

Originally posted by carver9
So you admit he can't PHYSICALLY achieve what WWH achieved? With that said, Despero TP his way through World at War.

I ABSOLUTELY did no such thing.

I simply asked why a character would have one of his innate abilities removed.

Zomstrange destroys him

Originally posted by carver9
So you admit he can't PHYSICALLY achieve what WWH achieved?



I have a gift for you:
http://i.imgur.com/G69CdJy.png

Lol.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I ABSOLUTELY did no such thing.

I simply asked why a character would have one of his innate abilities removed.

Is he going through WWH like Hulk did or is his TP reliable? He is a brick ya know but with TP, he doesn't even have to lift a finger for majority of his battle.

That weakling stops at the very beginning, at Skrullbolt.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Zomstrange destroys him

Originally posted by carver9
Is he going through WWH like Hulk did or is his TP reliable? He is a brick ya know but with TP, he doesn't even have to lift a finger for majority of his battle.

Pick a Despero, Carver, any Despero and take us through Pak's epic.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Pick a Despero, Carver, any Despero and take us through Pak's epic.

All Despero's can TP. No reason for him to lift a finger. He wins here.

Full powered Juggs ****s him good.


By the way, you do know Desperatehoe is an evil bastard and the Marvel heroes would treat him as such?

Originally posted by carver9
All Despero's can TP. No reason for him to lift a finger. He wins here.

Xavier will block his TP and X-Men will rape him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Xavier will block his TP and X-Men will rape him.

True.

With TP Despero does good. Take TP off and he dies. He can't come close to surviving what WWH did and he would probably be messed up by BB attack on the moon.

Haha, what? Juggernaut? Xavier?

Get the **** out of here with this shit.

Originally posted by carver9
With TP Despero does good. Take TP off and he dies. He can't come close to surviving what WWH did and he would probably be messed up by BB attack on the moon.


Skrull bolt gets killed easily. When Hulk can take on JLA, JLE, Congolomarate, Angelic supergirl and Lobo all at once for five issues straight and they can't even stop him, talk to me.

I just had a PM from Golgo.

"Skrullbolt kills Despero."

OK, so it's official now. Close this thread.

biscuits

Originally posted by abhilegend


Skrull bolt gets killed easily. When Hulk can take on JLA, JLE, Congolomarate, Angelic supergirl and Lobo all at once for five issues straight and they can't even stop him, talk to me.

Nice showing for Despero TP. At one point he had the entire league under his control minus Superman. Skrull Bolt mess him up just like Hawkman did.

You don't even know what I'm talking about, do you?

Stop talking nonsense.

Nice TP showing.

Despero has survived as just a head. That's kinda beyond what I've seen Hulk do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Despero has survived as just a head. That's kinda beyond what I've seen Hulk do.



Hulk just healed an entire head 2 months ago. Healed his whole freaking head when it was cut off. Let me rephrase that. Another head regrew in place of the chopped off head. That is more than what Despero has done.

He grew a head.

Despero grew a body.

Which has more mass to regrow? Perhaps I should rephrase. Its more than what I saw of hulks feats in the WWH storyline, as per OP.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He grew a head.

Despero grew a body.

Which has more mass to regrow? Perhaps I should rephrase. Its more than what I saw of hulks feats in the WWH storyline, as per OP.

Because WWH wasn't chump enough to get his head decapitated.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Xavier will block his TP and X-Men will rape him.

Why do you want the X-Men to be vicously murdered by Despero?

You bigotry towards mutants has been revealed!

Originally posted by carver9
like Hawkman did.

DAMN LIES!

The mace damaged his teeth.

Mighty Despero has no concern over dental hygiene!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
DAMN LIES!

The mace damaged his teeth.

Mighty Despero has no concern over dental hygiene!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
DAMN LIES!

The mace damaged his teeth.

Mighty Despero has no concern over dental hygiene!

Did more than damage his teeth. He was slobbing blood after that hit. Without TP, he doesn't come close to achieving what WWH did.

Despero would lose to ZOM Strange. The Hulk should have lost to him too.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Despero would lose to ZOM Strange. The Hulk should have lost to him too.

He would lose to the army that was stacked with Adamantium bullets. He would lose to Ironman who was out for the kill and stabbed Hulk in the back of the head with an adamantium spike. He would lose to the Xmen who took away Hulk's healing factor then proceeded at phasing him into the ground. He would lose to Zom. Black Bolt would mess him up. He would lose to the army squad that had a team of super humans that was prepped to fight Hulk. The team that depowered Hulk all the way to his Grey Hulk persona. He would get killed by the poison they used that hindered Hulk abilities. Everytime he used his power the more the poison ate away at him. He would probably die by the Spider that was inside of Hulk attacking him internally. Can't see him tanking the energy Sentry was dishing out either. As we saw...afterwards, he was one shot koed by Superman heat vision. The list goes on and on. TP is his best chance. Without it,he dies EARLY IN the story.

facepalm

Originally posted by carver9
He would lose to the army that was stacked with Adamantium bullets. He would lose to Ironman who was out for the kill and stabbed Hulk in the back of the head with an adamantium spike. He would lose to the Xmen who took away Hulk's healing factor then proceeded at phasing him into the ground. He would lose to Zom. Black Bolt would mess him up. He would lose to the army squad that had a team of super humans that was prepped to fight Hulk. The team that depowered Hulk all the way to his Grey Hulk persona. He would get killed by the poison they used that hindered Hulk abilities. Everytime he used his power the more the poison ate away at him. He would probably die by the Spider that was inside of Hulk attacking him internally. Can't see him tanking the energy Sentry was dishing out either. As we saw...afterwards, he was one shot koed by Superman heat vision. The list goes on and on. TP is his best chance. Without it,he dies EARLY IN the story.

If I wasn't a mod, I would call you such awful things right now...

Originally posted by Estacado
facepalm Seconded.

Originally posted by Estacado
facepalm Thirded

Originally posted by -Pr-
If I wasn't a mod, I would call you such awful things right now...



So Despero could survive hundreds of adamantium spikes hitting him in the back?

lol

Originally posted by carver9


So Despero could survive hundreds of adamantium spikes hitting him in the back? He survived without a phucking body

Originally posted by iceman24567
He survived without a phucking body

He was still out of the fight though. He wasn't active. Despero had been taken out before and by sharp items too.

Originally posted by carver9


So Despero could survive hundreds of adamantium spikes hitting him in the back? hulk only survived because the warbound shielded him for a period of time.

Originally posted by carver9
He was still out of the fight though. He wasn't active. Despero had been taken out before and by sharp items too. Being stabbed in the back wont put him down if damaging his body is ineffective. So no you are wrong

Originally posted by carver9
He would lose to the army that was stacked with Adamantium bullets. He would lose to Ironman who was out for the kill and stabbed Hulk in the back of the head with an adamantium spike. He would lose to the Xmen who took away Hulk's healing factor then proceeded at phasing him into the ground. He would lose to Zom. Black Bolt would mess him up. He would lose to the army squad that had a team of super humans that was prepped to fight Hulk. The team that depowered Hulk all the way to his Grey Hulk persona. He would get killed by the poison they used that hindered Hulk abilities. Everytime he used his power the more the poison ate away at him. He would probably die by the Spider that was inside of Hulk attacking him internally. Can't see him tanking the energy Sentry was dishing out either. As we saw...afterwards, he was one shot koed by Superman heat vision. The list goes on and on. TP is his best chance. Without it,he dies EARLY IN the story.

Half the stuff you just listed are only a weakness to Hulk, Despero.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Being stabbed in the back wont put him down if damaging his body is ineffective. So no you are wrong

Being stabbed through 'every' part of your body is completely different.

First shot.

http://s94.photobucket.com/user/priest_85/media-full//AA-WWH03-007-08.jpg.html

Look at all of the adamantium sticking out of his body and as you can see, he was shot in the back of the head as well. Know Despero survived with just a head but what would happen if he had brain trama?

Originally posted by carver9
He would lose to the army that was stacked with Adamantium bullets. He would lose to Ironman who was out for the kill and stabbed Hulk in the back of the head with an adamantium spike. He would lose to the Xmen who took away Hulk's healing factor then proceeded at phasing him into the ground. He would lose to Zom. Black Bolt would mess him up. He would lose to the army squad that had a team of super humans that was prepped to fight Hulk. The team that depowered Hulk all the way to his Grey Hulk persona. He would get killed by the poison they used that hindered Hulk abilities. Everytime he used his power the more the poison ate away at him. He would probably die by the Spider that was inside of Hulk attacking him internally. Can't see him tanking the energy Sentry was dishing out either. As we saw...afterwards, he was one shot koed by Superman heat vision. The list goes on and on. TP is his best chance. Without it,he dies EARLY IN the story.

If you apologize now I will ABSOLVE you of this post!

Originally posted by carver9


So Despero could survive hundreds of adamantium spikes hitting him in the back?

The Despero junkies turned into crickets.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He survived without a phucking body


WOW, no paid has ever done that.

Originally posted by carver9


So Despero could survive hundreds of adamantium spikes hitting him in the back?

Yes, because THAT'S the worst part of your post. Right.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Being stabbed in the back wont put him down if damaging his body is ineffective. So no you are wrong

Lol, let me help your incoherent ass out. Adamantium would have turn him to purple Swiss cheese.

Originally posted by carver9
He would lose to the army that was stacked with Adamantium bullets. He would lose to Ironman who was out for the kill and stabbed Hulk in the back of the head with an adamantium spike. He would lose to the Xmen who took away Hulk's healing factor then proceeded at phasing him into the ground. He would lose to Zom. Black Bolt would mess him up. He would lose to the army squad that had a team of super humans that was prepped to fight Hulk. The team that depowered Hulk all the way to his Grey Hulk persona. He would get killed by the poison they used that hindered Hulk abilities. Everytime he used his power the more the poison ate away at him. He would probably die by the Spider that was inside of Hulk attacking him internally. Can't see him tanking the energy Sentry was dishing out either. As we saw...afterwards, he was one shot koed by Superman heat vision. The list goes on and on. TP is his best chance. Without it,he dies EARLY IN the story.


All true Carver, there is no rebuttal other than butthurt insults. WWH would crush Despero. FOR those of you that seemed to have forgotten the facts, WWH was holding back the entire time. Despite his highest level of anger to date, he was under control and didn't kill any of the heroes. Despero is a megalomaniac who wants to enslave others. There is ZERO chance of him succeeding again WWH and it's high time you guys admit that. Hulk gained his new found powers by over coming the Red King and his obedience disks.

And ONCE AGAIN, Despero is not on Supermans strength level via the damn writer. His psi had everything to do with him overcoming the jobbers. In that scene where he crashes Superman and Caps heads together, he is using psi as indicated by the art. Psi will NOT work on WWH.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
All true Carver, there is no rebuttal other than butthurt insults. WWH would crush Despero. FOR those of you that seemed to have forgotten the facts, WWH was holding back the entire time. Despite his highest level of anger to date, he was under control and didn't kill any of the heroes. Despero is a megalomaniac who wants to enslave others. There is ZERO chance of him succeeding again WWH and it's high time you guys admit that. Hulk gained his new found powers by over coming the Red King and his obedience disks.

And ONCE AGAIN, Despero is not on Supermans strength level via the damn writer. His psi had everything to do with him overcoming the jobbers. In that scene where he crashes Superman and Caps heads together, he is using psi as indicated by the art. Psi will NOT work on WWH.

1. World War Hulk's opponents WERE HOLDING BACK the entire time.

2. Pso Lie- Despero wasn't using psionics against them when he crushed Captain Marvel and Superman at the same dame time!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. World War Hulk's opponents WERE HOLDING BACK the entire time.

2. Pso Lie- Despero wasn't using psionics against them when he crushed Captain Marvel and Superman at the same dame time!

I'd say that Sentry wasn't holding back when he fought Hulk. Halfway through he lost it and most certainly wasn't holding back.

Robert mentions it here.

http://i.imgur.com/0gDvN2eh.jpg

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I'd say that Sentry wasn't holding back when he fought Hulk. Halfway through he lost it and most certainly wasn't holding back.

Sentry's depiction in SIEGE suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Sentry's depiction in SIEGE suggests otherwise.

What you mean in terms of his power level or something?

I believe Sentry was weakened in WWH and as such that was why he let rip with all that energy. You notice when he fought the Void twice and defeated him both times he never released that much energy. Plus he mentions the Agoraphobia affecting him among other things.

I could explain it infinitely better but I will end up going off topic way too much.

While WWH Sentry was one of the more visually impressive forms of Sentry he definitely isn't the most powerful.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Lol, let me help your incoherent ass out. Adamantium would have turn him to purple Swiss cheese. Dumbass being stabbed in the back would do jack shit

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. World War Hulk's opponents WERE HOLDING BACK the entire time.

2. Pso Lie- Despero wasn't using psionics against them when he crushed Captain Marvel and Superman at the same dame time!

1. SOME were, Strange wasn't, Sentry wasn't. But all were PREPPED. Teams of heroes.

2. Yes the **** he was using psi. Look at the pic:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35951/1175367-despero_takes_all.jpg

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
1. SOME were, Strange wasn't, Sentry wasn't. But all were PREPPED. Teams of heroes.

2. Yes the **** he was using psi. Look at the pic:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35951/1175367-despero_takes_all.jpg

Yes, lets look at the pic.

When Despero uses his psionic powers his 3rd eye flashes EVERY time.

Against Captain Marvel and Superman you can clearly see that his 3rd eye is not glowing yellow. The residual psionic impression is what Pacheco created in that panel.

He is using his TP there. Look at the scan where he attacked Hawkman...you see the same yellow energy. Obvious

Originally posted by carver9
He is using his TP there. Look at the scan where he attacked Hawkman...you see the same yellow energy. Obvious

What is obvious is your inability to grasp what is going on in the book.

As stated before, EVERY time Despero using his psionic blasts his 3rd eye glows and then you see the path of assault.

EXHIBIT A

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/27470/998912-jlajsavv_82.jpg

EXHIBIT B

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3941238-7398460359-39118.png

You don't see any of that when he is crushing Captain Marvel and Superman. It is an aura of power being shown similar to what would happen in DBZ.

Lol@ power. You clearly see the yellow energy around his head. If it had anything to do with power being displayed, it would've been over Cap and Supes head.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol@ power. You clearly see the yellow energy around his head. If it had anything to do with power being displayed, it would've been over Cap and Supes head.

Your failing badly here, Carver.

It is clearly a part of artistic license.

When Power Girl punches Despero you see the same shade of yellow around the impact.

By your standard Power Girl would be punching the psionic power out of Despero's crotch!

When Pacheco wanted to show a psionic attack he clearly displayed it. Despero's 3rd glows and then you see the path of the blast go directly to the target and flash aroind them.

Why would he deviate in that single instance with Marvel and Superman?

Carver, what's up my cracka.

Are you ok Bada? Forgot to say: Happy father's day to all of the peeps with kids.

Ghostrider phucks him up for not being innocent.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. World War Hulk's opponents WERE HOLDING BACK the entire time. You don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by ODG
You don't know what you're talking about.

1. Kitty Pryde

2. Sentry

3. Dr. Strange

Anyone with a passing knowledge of these characters know they weren't going all out.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Kitty Pryde

2. Sentry

3. Dr. Strange

Anyone with a passing knowledge of these characters know they weren't going all out.

Sentry was going all out though halfway through the fight. Although I don't believe he did it intentionally (since he lost control) but he wasn't holding back.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Kitty Pryde

2. Sentry

3. Dr. Strange

Anyone with a passing knowledge of these characters know they weren't going all out.

None of these people were holding back. Strange was punching holes in the guy. Kitty phased him through the ground, and Sentry engulfed him in energy that was covering the city. You do not know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Anyone with a passing knowledge of these characters Which completely excludes you from having any idea what you're talking about.

Shut up.

People have gone through this with you before.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Every event, scenario and battle remains the same except for one difference.

http://www.aric-dacia.com/dcu/despero.jpg

Despero replaces World War Hulk.

What happens?

V&V Despero does better, IMO.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What is obvious is your inability to grasp what is going on in the book.

As stated before, EVERY time Despero using his psionic blasts his 3rd eye glows and then you see the path of assault.

EXHIBIT A

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/27470/998912-jlajsavv_82.jpg

EXHIBIT B

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3941238-7398460359-39118.png

You don't see any of that when he is crushing Captain Marvel and Superman. It is an aura of power being shown similar to what would happen in DBZ.

Dude, are you blind, stupid or in denial? There is YELLOW ENERGY surrounding his damn head in each of the pics you posted and the one I posted. That sir is the artist showing, me and everyone else in this thread that he is using psi and/or TP. I'm sorry you ****ed up and said he wasn't but I provided proof that he was. It's also shows how he would be able to "manhandle" Sups and Cap considering the artist said Despero is not as strong and Superman!!! You are sounding beyond foolish right now.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Ghostrider phucks him up for not being innocent.

Ghost Rider ****s him along with Sentry, full powered Juggs and Zom Strange.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ghost Rider ****s him along with Sentry, full powered Juggs and Zom Strange. Skrull Bolt might as well.

Originally posted by carver9
None of these people were holding back. Strange was punching holes in the guy. Kitty phased him through the ground, and Sentry engulfed him in energy that was covering the city. You do not know what you are talking about.

Why didn't Kitty phase his entire body into the ground?

Why didn't Strange utilize those tactics at default?

Why did the Sentry suddenly forget a myriad of his abilities while confronting The Hulk?

Originally posted by ODG
Which completely excludes you from having any idea what you're talking about.

Shut up.

People have gone through this with you before.

The pomppus imbecile returns for yet another bout of idiocy.

Feel free to answer the aforementioned questions.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Dude, are you blind, stupid or in denial? There is YELLOW ENERGY surrounding his damn head in each of the pics you posted and the one I posted. That sir is the artist showing, me and everyone else in this thread that he is using psi and/or TP. I'm sorry you ****ed up and said he wasn't but I provided proof that he was. It's also shows how he would be able to "manhandle" Sups and Cap considering the artist said Despero is not as strong and Superman!!! You are sounding beyond foolish right now.

Stop embarassing yourself.

First, you said the "Writer" denied that Despero is as strong as Superman now you say it was the "Artist". Which is it?

To the point that should be painfully obvious to everyone but you and you Carver.

Psionic attack= DESPERO'S 3RD EYE GLOWING. THE BLAST OF PSIONIC ENERGY LEADS FROM HIM DIRECTLY TO THE TARGET ILLUSTRATED BY THE STREAM OF THE YELLOW ENERGY. YOU SEE THIS CLEARLY WITH POWER GIRL.

To make it even MORE obvious to people like you when Despero attacks Hawkman, you see the 3rd eye glow AGAIN and the stream of energy leads to 4 OTHER JSA members.

YOU SEE NONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED EFFECTS WHEN HE IS FIGHTING CAPTAIN MARVEL AND SUPERMAN!.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Why didn't Kitty phase his entire body into the ground?

Why didn't Strange utilize those tactics at default?

Why did the Sentry suddenly forget a myriad of his abilities while confronting The Hulk?



The pomppus imbecile returns for yet another bout of idiocy.

Feel free to answer the aforementioned questions.

Makes sense.

V&V Despero showing...

Superman didn't use his speed, heat vision ice breath, or didn't attempt to bfr.

Captain Marvel didn't use his speed, bfr tactic lightning, Zeus amping.

Powergirl didn't use her heat vision, ice breath, super speed.

Wonder Woman didn't use her super speed, lasso, or tiara.

Hawkman didn't charge mace or use his other items.

With that said the showing is PIS and a lot of CIS took place during that showing which means he still fails at achieving what WWH achieved. They didn't use a percentage of their abilities against Despero.

good debating there LOB.

Originally posted by carver9
Makes sense.

V&V Despero showing...

Superman didn't use his speed, heat vision ice breath, or didn't attempt to bfr.

Captain Marvel didn't use his speed, bfr tactic lightning, Zeus amping.

Powergirl didn't use her heat vision, ice breath, super speed.

Wonder Woman didn't use her super speed, lasso, or tiara.

Hawkman didn't charge mace or use his other items.

With that said the showing is PIS and a lot of CIS took place during that showing which means he still fails at achieving what WWH achieved. They didn't use a percentage of their abilities against Despero.

good debating there LOB.

You're WAY, WAY, out of your depth here, Carver.

The most powerful members of the JLA/JSA rushed Despero AT THE SAME TIME!

Despero's abilities were so vastly superior that he overwhelmed them.

Now, show me where Earth's mightiest heroes confronted Banner the same way in World War Hulk.

Let me help you, they DIDN'T!

Feel free to give me the non-existant example.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're WAY, WAY, out of your depth here, Carver.

The most powerful members of the JLA/JSA rushed Despero AT THE SAME TIME!

Despero's abilities were so vastly superior that he overwhelmed them.

Now, show me where Earth's mightiest heroes confronted Banner the same way in World War Hulk.

Let me help you, they DIDN'T!

Feel free to give me the non-existant example.

Later on Superman one shot KO's the same Despero with a blast of heat vision.

http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media-full/Superman/Energy/hv/supermanbatman33k.jpg.html

Lol, imagine if he would've used heat vision during V&V along with Cap using lightning etc, etc...

Probably wouldn't have lasted as long.

Originally posted by carver9
Later on Superman one shot KO's the same Despero with a blast of heat vision.

http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media-full/Superman/Energy/hv/supermanbatman33k.jpg.html

Lol, imagine if he would've used heat vision during V&V along with Cap using lightning etc, etc...

Probably wouldn't have lasted as long.

Carver, are you ill?

That is NOT Despero from VIRTUE AND VICE.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Carver, are you ill?

That is NOT Despero from VIRTUE AND VICE.



Lol...that showing happened right after V&V. Never said it happened in the same story but Superman did drop him afterwards.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that showing happened right after V&V. Never said it happened in the same story but Superman did drop him afterwards.



You're dangerously close to the abyss, Carver!

Move back from the edge and simply admit the superiority of Despero.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're dangerously close to the abyss, Carver!

Move back from the edge and simply admit the superiority of Despero.

Who got dropped by heat vision? Superman could've soloed V&V Despero.

Originally posted by carver9
Who got dropped by heat vision? Superman could've soloed V&V Despero.

You're conflating incarnations.

Would you accept the Hulk's defeat by a weakened Thor while he was amped?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're conflating incarnations.

Would you accept the Hulk's defeat by a weakened Thor while he was amped?

Hulk showings got BETTER after WWH. Despero got one shot koed by a Herald 'right after V&V'. See the difference?

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk showings got BETTER after WWH. Despero got one shot koed by a Herald 'right after V&V'. See the difference?

I do indeed see the difference.

Instead of simply dealing with the depiction of Despero in V&V you find it necessary to obfuscate and deflect away from the character in that story.

The issue at hand is Despero as seen in V&V not any other showing.

I declare my cracka, Carver, the victor of this thread. Closing...

I keep thinking you're geckwash...


Also tbf no one was really dumb in WWH. In fact the entire arc and all the tie ins were pretty much the writers thinking of every possible way to beat Hulk and then saying "nope, doesn't work... anymore". It's more fair to say it was some huge fanboy wankfest than it was PIS or CIS. Pak even took it a step way farther in HOTM.

It was pretty much the closest thing you're ever going to see to a rabid fanboy getting a hold of writing their character. But it's covered by "new power level" so you can't exactly write it off. The perfect ploy.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I do indeed see the difference.

Instead of simply dealing with the depiction of Despero in V&V you find it necessary to obfuscate and deflect away from the character in that story.

The issue at hand is Despero as seen in V&V not any other showing.

Your argument is all over the place. You bring up people not using every ounce of their abilities against WWH but failed to mention the same not happening in V&V. If anything, the hero's fought more out of character against Despero than anything. The only thing they did was charge in swinging. None of the people you mentioned that fought WWH did not so such thing. Strange telepathically attacked Hulk then amped himself to fight Hulk while throwing super speed punches with amped glowie hands. Kitty phased him and she followed her character without resorting to TRYING to kill him. She used her abilities though.

Sentry blitzed Hulk and covered the entire battle field in the power of a million exploding suns (per Ben and Reed words).

All in all the characters fought more aggressively against Hulk than what was showing in V&V.

Originally posted by Badabing
I declare my cracka, Carver, the victor of this thread. Closing...



This man is always right.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I keep thinking you're geckwash...
over emo Originally posted by One Big Mob
Also tbf no one was really dumb in WWH. In fact the entire arc and all the tie ins were pretty much the writers thinking of every possible way to beat Hulk and then saying "nope, doesn't work... anymore". It's more fair to say it was some huge fanboy wankfest than it was PIS or CIS. Pak even took it a step way farther in HOTM.

It was pretty much the closest thing you're ever going to see to a rabid fanboy getting a hold of writing their character. But it's covered by "new power level" so you can't exactly write it off. The perfect ploy. Disclosure, I'm a Hulk fan. The writers made it clear WWH was stronger/more powerful than any previous Hulk, until HOTM. And they did throw everything at WWH. So yeah, pretty much a fanboy's dream. As a Hulk fan I really enjoyed the entire Planet & WW Hulk arcs. But I can see how people could be irked at WWH's showings.

Originally posted by Badabing
I declare my cracka, Carver, the victor of this thread. Closing...

Listen, you festering, Flinstone, fleabag go make your nightly sacrifice to Chris Pratt and stay out of my threads!

I'm waiting for Lord of Bullshit to say the yellow around Despero's head in that pic is an artist mistake.

Originally posted by Badabing
over emo Disclosure, I'm a Hulk fan. The writers made it clear WWH was stronger/more powerful than any previous Hulk, until HOTM. And they did throw everything at WWH. So yeah, pretty much a fanboy's dream. As a Hulk fan I really enjoyed the entire Planet & WW Hulk arcs. But I can see how people could be irked at WWH's showings. Like Planet Hulk, did not like WWHulk.

But yeah, almost everything anyone has ever done to stop or halt Hulk was proven ineffectual under Pak and co. Plus new things but I'll go over some olds.

Juggernaut, Wolverine, Dr Strange, severe damage, Sentry aura, Sentry, draining, reverting to Grey Hulk, broken neck, Hulkbuster/Iron Man, Black Bolt, Thing Doc Samson She Hulk, telepathy, adamantium, Hercules, teams, the army, supressing rage, etc.

The only real thing left out was BFR which was stupid but it was kind of covered. They did their homework to say the least.

Originally posted by carver9
Your argument is all over the place. You bring up people not using every ounce of their abilities against WWH but failed to mention the same not happening in V&V. If anything, the hero's fought more out of character against Despero than anything. The only thing they did was charge in swinging. None of the people you mentioned that fought WWH did not so such thing. Strange telepathically attacked Hulk then amped himself to fight Hulk while throwing super speed punches with amped glowie hands. Kitty phased him and she followed her character without resorting to TRYING to kill him. She used her abilities though.

Sentry blitzed Hulk and covered the entire battle field in the power of a million exploding suns (per Ben and Reed words).

All in all the characters fought more aggressively against Hulk than what was showing in V&V.

My argument isn't all over the place, you simply can't keep up.

The top combatants on the field rushed Despero all at once. How could that possibly be a less agrressive display than what was seen against the Hulk?

Despero's performance is more impressive because he put down a greater threat with extreme ease.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm waiting for Lord of Bullshit to say the yellow around Despero's head in that pic is an artist mistake. And I'm waiting for you to stop trolling and flame baiting in every thread you post.Originally posted by One Big Mob
Like Planet Hulk, did not like WWHulk.

But yeah, almost everything anyone has ever done to stop or halt Hulk was proven ineffectual under Pak and co. Plus new things but I'll go over some olds.

Juggernaut, Wolverine, Dr Strange, severe damage, Sentry aura, Sentry, draining, reverting to Grey Hulk, broken neck, Hulkbuster/Iron Man, Black Bolt, Thing Doc Samson She Hulk, telepathy, adamantium, Hercules, teams, the army, supressing rage, etc.

The only real thing left out was BFR which was stupid but it was kind of covered. They did their homework to say the least. The worst "Hulk" showing for me was Rulk bypassing Mjolnir's enchantment and beating the snot out of Thor. Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Listen, you festering, Flinstone, fleabag go make your nightly sacrifice to Chris Pratt and stay out of my threads! Shut up, Radio.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
My argument isn't all over the place, you simply can't keep up.

The top combatants on the field rushed Despero all at once. How could that possibly be a less agrressive display than what was seen against the Hulk?

Despero's performance is more impressive because he put down a greater threat with extreme ease.

Lol...the people that fought Hulk used versatility though whereas the same wasn't done against Despero which again makes your argument false.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Kitty Pryde

2. Sentry

3. Dr. Strange

Anyone with a passing knowledge of these characters know they weren't going all out.

This is what you said. Now read what I typed, then compare it to your argument. Then compare it to the way the hero's fought Despero.

Originally posted by carver9
This is what you said. Now read what I typed, then compare it to your argument. Then compare it to the way the hero's fought Despero.

Why do you insist on destroying yourself?

If Captain Marvel, Hourman, Power Girl, Wonder Woman and Superman attacked World War Hulk simultaneously as they did Despero what would happen?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Why do you insist on destroying yourself?

If Captain Marvel, Hourman, Power Girl, Wonder Woman and Superman attacked World War Hulk simultaneously as they did Despero what would happen?

You are changing the subject and that's not what we are discussing here. You said people were holding back against WWH due to the tactics they were using to fight Hulk. Do you admit they were holding back against Despero as well since they didn't use 90% of their abilities?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Why do you insist on destroying yourself?

If Captain Marvel, Hourman, Power Girl, Wonder Woman and Superman attacked World War Hulk simultaneously as they did Despero what would happen?

You mean if WWH had psi and could fly? He'd punish them. Your point?

Clears, with TP or without if the scenarios are exactly like they were with Hulk, means full of PIS.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The pomppus imbecile returns for yet another bout of idiocy.

Feel free to answer the aforementioned questions. Any question of whether or not you're a functional retard was answered long ago.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Clears, with TP or without if the scenarios are exactly like they were with Hulk, means full of PIS.

Not sure if you are reponding to me, but if you were, I was responding to Lord's sidebar scenario, not the OP described by the OP.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Not sure if you are reponding to me, but if you were, I was responding to Lord's sidebar scenario, not the OP described by the OP.

No worries bro, I just posted my opinion, it wasn't a direct response to anyone, tbh except for the opening post till Carvers first post I didn't even cared enough to read more here^^.

Originally posted by ODG
Any question of whether or not you're a functional retard was answered long ago.

A spineless coward like you gets broken often enough so I expect you to flee the forum soon.

Operator did a great job of running your delusional ass off the last time!

Originally posted by carver9
You are changing the subject and that's not what we are discussing here. You said people were holding back against WWH due to the tactics they were using to fight Hulk. Do you admit they were holding back against Despero as well since they didn't use 90% of their abilities?

We can discuss multiple topics during a thread, Carver.

Once again, 4 High Heralds of immense strength, including the strongest Herald of them all assaulted Despero AT, THE, SAME, TIME! They were pummeling and even strangling, Despero.

They were NOT holding back.

If the most powerful heroes presented in WWH had assaulted the Hulk at the same time then I would allow for a comprable appraisal.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
We can discuss multiple topics during a thread, Carver.

Once again, 4 High Heralds of immense strength, including the strongest Herald of them all assaulted Despero AT, THE, SAME, TIME! They were pummeling and even strangling, Despero.

They were NOT holding back.

If the most powerful heroes presented in WWH had assaulted the Hulk at the same time then I would allow for a comprable appraisal.

It depends on how you look at it. Don't think those Heralds were giving it their all but I do think the people Hulk fought did. Example, the energy output that Sentry was using against WWH, I would put it above anything Despero went through against the Heralds. Another Example, Hulk and Ironman fight split the city in half. Zom Strange as well.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how you look at it. Don't think those Heralds were giving it their all but I do think the people Hulk fought did. Example, the energy output that Sentry was using against WWH, I would put it above anything Despero went through against the Heralds. Another Example, Hulk and Ironman fight split new York in half. Zom Strange as well.

The point of significance in relation to V&V is that Despero was so powerful that he put them down before they had a chance to do anything.

Hulk could never replicate that feat against the same group.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The point of significance in relation to V&V is that Despero was so powerful that he put them down before they had a chance to do anything.

Hulk could never replicate that feat against the same group.

TP attacking them. I agree, Hulk can't do that.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
A spineless coward like you gets broken often enough so I expect you to flee the forum soon.

Operator did a great job of running your delusional ass off the last time! Stay away from the paint thinner, clown shoes.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The point of significance in relation to V&V is that Despero was so powerful that he put them down before they had a chance to do anything.

Hulk could never replicate that feat against the same group.



Around and around you go. Once again, he had a skill set that allowed him to fend off the group. Give WWH Hulk flight and psi and he'd make quicker work of them than Despero. But one on one against WWH is a totally different story. WWH has superior recovery and relatively immunity to psi, and then there is the superior strength that happens to be dynamic. He would beat Despero's ass.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet


Around and around you go. Once again, he had a skill set that allowed him to fend off the group. Give WWH Hulk flight and psi and he'd make quicker work of them than Despero. But one on one against WWH is a totally different story. WWH has superior recovery and relatively immunity to psi, and then there is the superior strength that happens to be dynamic. He would beat Despero's ass.

Superman beats WWH one on one.

Captain Marvel beats WWH one on one.

V&V Despero annihilates WWH one on one.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman beats WWH one on one.

Captain Marvel beats WWH one on one.

V&V Despero annihilates WWH one on one.



Your opinion bro. Nothing you said is facts.

Originally posted by carver9


Your opinion bro. Nothing you said is facts.

Even my opinions are facts given their strength!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Even my opinions are facts given their strength!

Given their strength? This same Hulk lungs withstood the power of 150 Hercs. Your opinion is slacking in this category.

Originally posted by carver9
Given their strength? This same Hulk lungs withstood the power of 150 Hercs. Your opinion is slacking in this category.

What the hell does that mean?

Originally posted by SquallX
What the hell does that mean?

He swallowed 150 Hercules that was attacking his lungs and tanked it.

Originally posted by SquallX
What the hell does that mean? Originally posted by ODG
XVIII. WORLD WAR HULK STRENGTH

FLEXING

A vaporous entity from Pandora's box measured to possess 133.45 Hercs (a unit equivalent to the maximum amount of energy Hercules could expend in one blow) is forcibly inhaled by World War Hulk's lungs in a single mighty breath and destroyed. From Incredible Hulks #627 and 629:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/WWHFlexing03627.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/WWHFlexing04629.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/WWHFlexing05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/WWHFlexing06.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
He swallowed 150 Hercules that was attacking his lungs and tanked it. That makes it so much clearer

Originally posted by carver9
He swallowed 150 Hercules

Zeus made him spit though. Make your mind Banner, ffs!

Originally posted by carver9
He swallowed 150 Hercules https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8lickQNI31rvfy6do1_500.gif

Lol...I probably should've worded that better. KMC is just a mature porn site. Unrated.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Even my opinions are facts given their strength!

Sorry, I'll take Pak's opinion.

Originally posted by carver9
He swallowed 150 Hercules
crylaugh

Originally posted by carver9
He swallowed 150 Hercules that was attacking his lungs and tanked it.

Sigh*

The main question is: are people going to be jobbing to Despero here like they did with Hulk in that awful story?

Originally posted by Surtur
The main question is: are people going to be jobbing to Despero here like they did with Hulk in that awful story?

Who jobbed?

Originally posted by carver9
Who jobbed?

Seriously? Sentry is the main one. I'd say maybe Dr. Strange too, because the guy was a shadow of himself.

I just know this isn't going to end well because your question suggests you feel nobody jobbed and thus the Sentry showing was legit.

Originally posted by Surtur
Seriously? Sentry is the main one. I'd say maybe Dr. Strange too, because the guy was a shadow of himself.

I just know this isn't going to end well because your question suggests you feel nobody jobbed and thus the Sentry showing was legit.

What happened with sentry that made him job?

What about Strange? Tell me what happened with Strange.

Originally posted by carver9
What happened with sentry that made him job?

What about Strange? Tell me what happened with Strange.

Umm..Sentry ended up a bloody mess at the hands of the Hulk. Strange had to channel some demon and STILL lost.

Do you feel the Sentry showing was legit?

Originally posted by Surtur
Umm..Sentry ended up a bloody mess at the hands of the Hulk. Strange had to channel some demon and STILL lost.

Do you feel the Sentry showing was legit?

That was more due to Sentry wanting to be put down rather than him jobbing.

It was legit. He was in a terrible state throughout that comic mentally. If he's leaving his house despite being that badly affected by his Agoraphobia and thereby being weakened along with it. He had no choice but to either don't leave and everyone dies or leave and save them.

With him not being stable and out of control he ended up letting rip at Hulk and losing control halfway through the fight. Although he tries his best to get knocked out. As you can see him saying "Just. Once. More".

A Sentry that depressed and Unstable isn't going to use his Molecular Manipulation to stop Hulk in place and tear him apart. He's not going to care about citizens in the near midst (as he didn't show any regard when he was endangering the entire city). He just kept pummelling the Hulk. In short he wasn't stable enough to use his various abilities.

So in short given the context of the story I'd say it was a legit showing.

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And Strange only lost because when he saw civilians in danger he hesitated. Hulk would have been plastered across the floor of the city otherwise. If the bystanders hadn't been there Zom would have gained more control over time and Hulk would be green cheese.

Originally posted by Surtur
Umm..Sentry ended up a bloody mess at the hands of the Hulk. Strange had to channel some demon and STILL lost.

Do you feel the Sentry showing was legit?

That means Hulk beat him. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone was cautious about facing WWH...EVERYONE. It was for a reason and that reason was due to him being powerful as hell.

Originally posted by carver9
That means Hulk beat him. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone was cautious about facing WWH...EVERYONE. It was for a reason and that reason was due to him being powerful as hell.

Carver I sent you a PM about discussing this very thing. Would you be able to check it out please?

Originally posted by Surtur
Umm..Sentry ended up a bloody mess at the hands of the Hulk. Strange had to channel some demon and STILL lost.

Do you feel the Sentry showing was legit? Strange also halted his attack

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Carver I sent you a PM about discussing this very thing. Would you be able to check it out please?

Just read it. Honestly, I don't want to debate that topic anymore. We went through an entire BZ about this topic and I can't stand Battle zones or discussing one topic for long extended periods of time. I had a good time going through the WWH fight with you but that was my limit on the topic and honestly, no matter what either of us say, I think our minds are made up. Whatever topic it is in regards to the Sentry vs Hulk fight, we can discuss it here. Just bump a thread since this isn't the appropriate thread for a topic like that.

Originally posted by carver9
Just read it. Honestly, I don't want to debate that topic anymore. We went through an entire BZ about this topic and I can't stand Battle zones or discussing one topic for long extended periods of time. I had a good time going through the WWH fight with you but that was my limit on the topic and honestly, no matter what either of us say, I think our minds are made up. Whatever topic it is in regards to the Sentry vs Hulk fight, we can discuss it here. Just bump a thread since this isn't the appropriate thread for a topic like that.

We can't discuss it here because that would be off topic (which wasn't what I wanted to do anyway). I wanted to iron out a few things that's all.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
We can't discuss it here because that would be off topic (which wasn't what I wanted to do anyway). I wanted to iron out a few things that's all.

True. If there's a Sentry vs Hulk thread, we can use that.

Originally posted by carver9
True. If there's a Sentry vs Hulk thread, we can use that.

Trust me it's better to PM. This is mainly between us. Plus I think there is a lot about what I think that may have been missed.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Trust me it's better to PM. This is mainly between us. Plus I think there is a lot about what I think that may have been missed.

We can PM it. I'm at work right now. Is there a set time on when I can respond to you within the day because 7 pm EST is a good time for me.

Originally posted by carver9
We can PM it. I'm at work right now. Is there a set time on when I can respond to you within the day because 7 pm EST is a good time for me.

Anytime you want mate. I'm not fussed

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
That was more due to Sentry wanting to be put down rather than him jobbing.

It was legit. He was in a terrible state throughout that comic mentally. If he's leaving his house despite being that badly affected by his Agoraphobia and thereby being weakened along with it. He had no choice but to either don't leave and everyone dies or leave and save them.

With him not being stable and out of control he ended up letting rip at Hulk and losing control halfway through the fight. Although he tries his best to get knocked out. As you can see him saying "Just. Once. More".

A Sentry that depressed and Unstable isn't going to use his Molecular Manipulation to stop Hulk in place and tear him apart. He's not going to care about citizens in the near midst (as he didn't show any regard when he was endangering the entire city). He just kept pummelling the Hulk. In short he wasn't stable enough to use his various abilities.

So in short given the context of the story I'd say it was a legit showing.

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And Strange only lost because when he saw civilians in danger he hesitated. Hulk would have been plastered across the floor of the city otherwise. If the bystanders hadn't been there Zom would have gained more control over time and Hulk would be green cheese.

I understand, but even if you want to say it isn't jobbing that still amounts to Hulk never having actually beaten Sentry operating at full capacity.

So I would still ask if that is the type of Sentry Despero would come up against.

As for Strange..I know but what I'm saying is a competent Strange shouldn't have to invoke a demon in order to stop Hulk.

Originally posted by Surtur
I understand, but even if you want to say it isn't jobbing that still amounts to Hulk never having actually beaten Sentry operating at full capacity.

So I would still ask if that is the type of Sentry Despero would come up against.

As for Strange..I know but what I'm saying is a competent Strange shouldn't have to invoke a demon in order to stop Hulk.

Name 3 fights that happened in comics where full capacity took place. Name them please. You might as well discredit every fight Surfer, Kyle, Magneto, Fire Storm, and Thor has been in comic wise because neither of these beings has used 'everything in a single battle'. Not even a percentage of what they can do. I don't know what you expected Sentry to do in his fight against Hulk but I think you need to look at his fights against Genis, Blue Marvel, Collector, etc, and see if you can find your answers there. I feel pretty got darn safe at saying you will not. No fight will happen the way you are expecting it to happen, NONE. So with that said, EVERY character jobbed against EVERY character in comics...not just Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Name 3 fights that happened in comics where full capacity took place. Name them please. You might as well discredit every fight Surfer, Kyle, Magneto, Fire Storm, and Thor has been in comic wise because neither of these beings has used 'everything in a single battle'. Not even a percentage of what they can do. I don't know what you expected Sentry to do in his fight against Hulk but I think you need to look at his fights against Genis, Blue Marvel, Collector, etc, and see if you can find your answers there. I feel pretty got darn safe at saying you will not. No fight will happen the way you are expecting it to happen, NONE. So with that said, EVERY character jobbed against EVERY character in comics...not just Hulk.

When I say full capacity for Sentry, that is otherwise just me saying Sentry his strongest. As in, his strongest feats.

You don't know what I expected Sentry to do in his fight? Well, for one thing..anything other then just mostly punching the Hulk and when he did use his energy powers they were nowhere near his top level.

I never said Hulk is the only character people job to. But we are talking specifically about a story about Hulk though.

Originally posted by Surtur
When I say full capacity for Sentry, that is otherwise just me saying Sentry his strongest. As in, his strongest feats.

You don't know what I expected Sentry to do in his fight? Well, for one thing..anything other then just mostly punching the Hulk and when he did use his energy powers they were nowhere near his top level.

I never said Hulk is the only character people job to. But we are talking specifically about a story about Hulk though.



What were you expected Sentry to do. Provide scans as well. It's not like he was throwing love taps.

He blitz Hulk through some building while having his entire body circled in Sentry energy out put. So what we have here is a blitz along energy output.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh009.jpg.html

Tried to Blitz again but got his face punched in.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh012.jpg.html

He then engulfs the entire battle field in energy.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh017.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh018.jpg.html

Energy that Ben and Reed described as him using the power of a million exploding suns.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh016.jpg.html

He engulfs Hulk in this energy. The same energy that people were referencing during the fight as being able to destroy Earth.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh019.jpg.html

He blasts and punch Hulk throughout the entire fight. I don't know what you are or were expecting during this fight but everything you said is wrong. It wasn't a punch fest. The only person that was punching was Hulk. Now if you're resorting to nothing but high showings, lol, then it'll be kinda hard for Sentry to even hurt the Hulk if we look at Hulk's best. If we look at Hulk's best, a couple of Thunder claps would ruin Sentry but we don't debate primarily off of high showings. Sentry is capable of beating Hulk just like Pak said Hulk is capable of beating Sentry. That fight went just like it should have and both of them became more powerful afterwards. The moral of the story is, cry me a river.

No fight plays out the way you expect them to go. Every fight is jobbing using your line of debate. Not some but ALL. People fight no where close to the way you are thinking, none. All of Thor fights are jobbing, Superman, Surfer, Green Lanterns, etc...you might as well don't even pick up a comic and just write your own if you can't understand that a character doesn't use every single ability they have in a fight to its maximum. This is common sense and it applies to Hulk as well since he does more than punching. With that said, until you provide some evidence of Sentry fighting anywhere close to what you are trying to apply against people other than Hulk, then your point is what? BOO BOO.