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who is the true all father???!! who is the true rune lord!!??? who takes this match?

Marvel. Feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Marvel. Feats. dc odin is universal dude

feat for dc odin

http://i.imgur.com/jtW0Cpp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pA5MJLU.jpg

That help him in battle how.

What is his feat in that? Creating a little universe? Not really a feat since we have no idea what he did or how long it took to do so. Not downplaying it but he sounds kinda fragile as he needs to be guided to his room for protection.

Odin has recently done his own universal level feat anyways but universe busting is for street levellers these days.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3271374-hulku3.jpg

Hulk and Nightcrawler destroyed a Universe during their fight. Don't think anyone would say either of these two could beat Odin.

Originally posted by ghostman
feat for dc odin
Much like The fellow in the scan i say "And?".
ShadowFyre and Carver make fine points, fine enough for me at any rate.

Marvel Odin by a Mile.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
What is his feat in that? Creating a little universe? Not really a feat since we have no idea what he did or how long it took to do so. Not downplaying it but he sounds kinda fragile as he needs to be guided to his room for protection.

Odin has recently done his own universal level feat anyways but universe busting is for street levellers these days.

youre doing exactly what youre claiming not to, downplaying, gtfo we have no idea how long the toaa took to create marvel or how he did it.

I think Odin wins, he operates on another level.

Originally posted by ghostman
youre doing exactly what youre claiming not to, downplaying, gtfo we have no idea how long the toaa took to create marvel or how he did it.
And you obvioysly had a winner in mind when you made this thread. Its all in a day.

How am I downplaying? Just sayin what I saw in the scan. I literally know zero bout DC odin. I would have said same if that was Marvel Odin.

Originally posted by riv6672
And you obvioysly had a winner in mind when you made this thread. Its all in a day.

you should copy this thread word for word and post it on herochat, see what they think

Odin beats Odins ass

Marvel wins, handily.

Originally posted by ghostman
you should copy this thread word for word and post it on herochat, see what they think
I usually try and pick good threads though.

Originally posted by ghostman
youre doing exactly what youre claiming not to, downplaying, gtfo we have no idea how long the toaa took to create marvel or how he did it.
Savage....

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
What is his feat in that? Creating a little universe? Not really a feat since we have no idea what he did or how long it took to do so. Not downplaying it but he sounds kinda fragile as he needs to be guided to his room for protection.

Odin has recently done his own universal level feat anyways but universe busting is for street levellers these days. He just did it.

That's actually carried over from a 1980s JSA story The Last Days of the Justice Society to remove them from the DCU until they were written back in later where Waverider saved them from that universe.

Can I see a scan?

Originally posted by Juntai
He just did it.

That's actually carried over from a 1980s JSA story The Last Days of the Justice Society to remove them from the DCU until they were written back in later where Waverider saved them from that universe.

Thank you for providing some context to that. Makes it more impressive.

Lol I need to see a scans from both I know Odin from Marvel.

Originally posted by Juntai
He just did it.

That's actually carried over from a 1980s JSA story The Last Days of the Justice Society to remove them from the DCU until they were written back in later where Waverider saved them from that universe.

Last Days of the JSA basically had the Golden Age JSA trapped in a perpetual cycle of Ragnarok. Here's the entire sequence for anyone who's interested:
http://i.imgur.com/w7uXR4N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kUolGka.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e1SVXoA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jzPrLgz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CGUsSYe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Tarschv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mBpPIgi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GsxHnz9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9MUWJXT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8e7MCYE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FWm3ASl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VhL14hT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/G9g7jB9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zDcIPsq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7xkTJ5g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pe5U8T1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6JA9KzJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rtOJnYy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JkRYN1o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6ua9n4p.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8oR249Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f5uGrd8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FrB4UfD.jpg
*http://i.imgur.com/rIJzLfg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YVEdzvH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5pY3gRk.jpg

*This was also the story which revealed that it was merely a "tiny portion" of Spectre's essence that confronted the GEB.

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We later learned, in the pages of Sandman, that this 'mini-Ragnarok' was created by DC Odin--and the JSA inadvertently ended up within its endless cycle:
http://i.imgur.com/g4hAleh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Wq8pb3G.jpg
(They were the "further warriors" Odin spoke of.)

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During Armageddon: Inferno, Waverider+Spectre freed the JSA from that reality to help fight Abraxis:
http://i.imgur.com/Nsv7LIe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrddA1m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4NXYOKG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3XbIQ5i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NPyGB9K.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TXME1Zp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5qge8nw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1aqQow6.jpg

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It was actually pretty cool how DC tied all of that together.

Originally posted by Galan007

*http://i.imgur.com/rIJzLfg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YVEdzvH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5pY3gRk.jpg

*This was also the story which revealed that it was merely a "tiny portion" of Spectre's essence that confronted the GEB.

Is this canon?

Absolutely.



The events are also corroborated by Spectre's 1986 Who's Who bio:
http://i.imgur.com/srcoOuF.png
http://i.imgur.com/fx49y4I.jpg

Thanks Galan. You're a scholar and a pimp.

Originally posted by Galan007
Absolutely.



The events are also corroborated by Spectre's 1986 Who's Who bio:
http://i.imgur.com/srcoOuF.png
http://i.imgur.com/fx49y4I.jpg
So the "incalculably greater threat" than the Shadow Being (GEB) that Spectre was referring to in these scans was Hitler with the Spear of Destiny?
Originally posted by Galan007

*http://i.imgur.com/rIJzLfg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YVEdzvH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5pY3gRk.jpg

Yes, but when Spectre was rendered comatose in the wake of his battle with Anti-Monitor, all of his energy spilled out of him and retroactively traveled back to 1945, where it was absorbed by the SoD(which was in Hitler's possession at the time):
http://i.imgur.com/IlJHgor.jpg
And had he not been defeated, Hitler would have used the Spear to destroy the whole of existence. That much was reiterated time and time again.

So evidently Spectre considered the SoD /w/ his full power, to be more of a legitimate threat to creation than the GEB. You can take that one of 2 ways:

a.) The SoD /w/ all Spectre's power was outright more powerful than the GEB.
OR
b.) "Greater threat" isn't referring to the raw power at their disposal, but rather, the threat they actually posed to creation. As I said: Hitler /w/ the SoD would have destroyed all of existence. Conversely, the GEB was relatively benign, and only sought help discerning its purpose. For example: it never killed anyone it absorbed--it spit them all out alive, even though it could have undoubtedly killed them w/o effort. It was never out to destroy creation, imo, therefore it wasn't really a 'threat' in the same sense as Hitler /w/ the SoD. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, but when Spectre was rendered comatose in the wake of his battle with Anti-Monitor, all of his energy spilled out of him and retroactively traveled back to 1945, where it was absorbed by the SoD(which was in Hitler's possession at the time):
http://i.imgur.com/IlJHgor.jpg
And had he not been defeated, Hitler would have used the Spear to destroy the whole of existence. That much was reiterated time and time again.

So evidently Spectre considered the SoD /w/ his full power, to be more of a legitimate threat to creation than the GEB. You can take that one of 2 ways:

a.) The SoD /w/ all Spectre's power was outright more powerful than the GEB.
OR
b.) "Greater threat" isn't referring to the raw power at their disposal, but rather, the threat they actually posed to creation. As I said: Hitler /w/ the SoD would have destroyed all of existence. Conversely, the GEB was relatively benign, and only sought help discerning its purpose. For example: it never killed anyone it absorbed--it spit them all out alive, even though it could have undoubtedly killed them w/o effort. It was never out to destroy creation, imo, therefore it wasn't really a 'threat' in the same sense as Hitler /w/ the SoD. /shrug
Yeah, I think I'm leaning toward option "b".

It's still an impressive testament to Spectre's power (destroying all creation and all that). Keeping in mind Spectre could have actually beaten COIE AM if he wanted to, we get a clearer picture of the Spectre's true power level.

Same.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, I think I'm leaning toward option "b".

It's still an impressive testament to Spectre's power (destroying all creation and all that). Keeping in mind Spectre could have actually beaten COIE AM if he wanted to, we get a clearer picture of the Spectre's true power level.
Don't let Bran catch you say that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't let Bran catch you say that.


I already had a healthy respect for a properly written Spectre (see the whole "Brothers" crossover with Marvel). But this was just icing on the cake.

Also with this new info, I guess this actually establishes Michael as a true multiversal+ power, since he took everything the Spectre threw at him and then just swatted him away.

blushing

Originally posted by zopzop
Keeping in mind Spectre could have actually beaten COIE AM if he wanted to, we get a clearer picture of the Spectre's true power level. Tbf, Spectre was being amped by several other magical beings when he battled COIE AM:
http://i.imgur.com/gbOG55Vm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZOe11qwm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zRi7Ykym.jpg

The power that was sent back in time after he was rendered comatose and absorbed by the SoD, however, was all his.

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbf, Spectre was being amped by several other magical beings when he battled COIE AM:
http://i.imgur.com/gbOG55Vm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZOe11qwm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zRi7Ykym.jpg

Hmm, I was going by what was said here :
http://s15.postimg.org/nioao5x7r/3375469_the_spectre_v2_1_page_4.jpg
Assuming this is canon, it's my understanding that Spectre had all the power he needed to stop the COIE AM (with or without the mystics backing him).

IF he were able to use the Spectre-force to its full potential, he could have conceivably beaten both Anti-Monitor AND the GEB, according to that page from The Spectre v2 #01(yes, it's canon.) However, he was never really able to access the full extent of his power for an extended period of time, therefore his own energy wasn't enough to defeat them. That said, it's conceivable that Spectre's 'full potential' energy is what traveled back in time and was absorbed by the SoD... Which would help give credence to the creation-spanning power that Hitler /w/ SoD was repeatedly stated to possess.

Though that one page just isn't enough for me to put Spectre above the GEB without thinking twice--full potential or not... Unless the GEB simply isn't what I've always thought it is, of course(ie. God's equal and opposite.) /shrug

Originally posted by zopzop
I already had a healthy respect for a properly written Spectre (see the whole "Brothers" crossover with Marvel). But this was just icing on the cake.

Also with this new info, I guess this actually establishes Michael as a true multiversal+ power, since he took everything the Spectre threw at him and then just swatted him away.

blushing


And even that Spectre was operating on half power as long as Jim Corrigan existed on mortal plane.

http://i.imgur.com/gxcHJgd.jpg

So Spectre was basically at half power until Spectre v3 ended.

Originally posted by carver9
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3271374-hulku3.jpg

Hulk and Nightcrawler destroyed a Universe during their fight. Don't think anyone would say either of these two could beat Odin. That universe was very small and destroying it meant Damaging a small land of mass, nothing else.