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Regular versions of each

1.H2H
2.Both use full powers and abilities

Who wins in each of the above?

The first episode of Oz I ever seen when it still aired was where one dude was entering another dude against his will.

That's what happens here with Thanos being Apocalypse's backdoor man

Thanos stomps.

Apoc rapes.

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Thanos rapes

Plus this has been done before

Originally posted by One Big Mob
The first episode of Oz I ever seen when it still aired was where one dude was entering another dude against his will.

Hmmmm.... It looks like the same thing is happening to the guy in your avatar.
"Episode of Oz" huh? I think somebody needs a hug.
From the front.

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar95747_39.gif

Apocalypse had trouble against a young Thor to my knowledge. Thanos laughs off hits from a grown Thor with Mljonir.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Apocalypse had trouble against a young Thor to my knowledge. Thanos laughs off hits from a grown Thor with Mljonir.

Apocalypse nearly killed Thor there.

As put in the caption Thor's spine would've been broken if he took another hit.

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Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Apocalypse nearly killed Thor there.

As put in the caption Thor's spine would've been broken if he took another hit.

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True, but Thanos wins this without trouble. I'd even wager he oneshots Apoc. At best Apocalypse would be the equal of someone like Terrax, and Thanos destroyed Terrax casually.

Thanos, easily.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Apocalypse nearly killed Thor there.

As put in the caption Thor's spine would've been broken if he took another hit.

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Appreciate it. I would just use Black Bolt's voice as comparison then.

When are they going to stop ****ing around with these Apocalypse kids and bring back the real deal?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
When are they going to stop ****ing around with these Apocalypse kids and bring back the real deal?

There is an event called Apocalypse War that is around soon and one of the X-Men Comic covers has Apoc's face on it. But as always you can't really trust comic covers.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Apocalypse nearly killed Thor there.

As put in the caption Thor's spine would've been broken if he took another hit.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26570374_Uncanny_Avengers_006-003.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26570376_Uncanny_Avengers_006-004.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26570379_Uncanny_Avengers_006-005.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26570381_Uncanny_Avengers_006-006.jpg


IIRC this is a Younger Thor. I remember Thor kicking the crap out of a future version of Apocalypse and, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Thor beating his ass in AXIS too or no?

Originally posted by RadZoa
IIRC this is a Younger Thor. I remember Thor kicking the crap out of a future version of Apocalypse and, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Thor beating his ass in AXIS too or no? Apokalips was beating him in that Bendis issue. And Axis was only because of his axe powers and it was Evanpocolypico though I don't think that makes a difference. Even Absorbing Man managed to hurt him bad once he got Jamjam's powers though that didn't really make sense since it was blunt force.

That Apoc pretty much one shotted THE HULKS HULK twice though (albiet with cheapshots), so it's doubtful Thor would have beat him without axe magic

What happened to Hulk's Hulk?
Dont make him sad you wont like him when he is sad.

Such an awesome concept....

@Bran

Originally posted by Estacado
What happened to Hulk's Hulk?
Dont make him sad you wont like him when he is sad.

Such an awesome concept....

Hulk's Hulk was done twice.

Both times, it didn't last long. Lol.

Thanos is too powerful for Apocalypse to handle and too durable for him to even really hurt.

Originally posted by Surtur
Thanos is too powerful for Apocalypse to handle and too durable for him to even really hurt.

Too durable? No, not really.

Apoc stabbed right through Prime Eternal Ikaris.

Thanos got pierced by Clint's arrows.

That, and remember Apoc has no-sold Boltagon's scream, while Thanos was bleeding after taking it

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Too durable? No, not really.

Apoc stabbed right through Prime Eternal Ikaris.

Thanos got pierced by Clint's arrows.

That, and remember Apoc has no-sold Boltagon's scream, while Thanos was bleeding after taking it

I can stab through Ikaris.

Mindset has taught you well...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Too durable? No, not really.

Apoc stabbed right through Prime Eternal Ikaris.

Thanos got pierced by Clint's arrows.

That, and remember Apoc has no-sold Boltagon's scream, while Thanos was bleeding after taking it

Damn, Clint upped his game then. To think that the overall theme of the last Avengers movie was "Hawkeye is really shitty".

There is a reason why he's called Lord Barton on this forum.

That and he also writes some really epic poetry.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Bran

Thanos one shots Apoc.

yeah, prolly.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Thanos one shots Apoc.

No, he's too weak.

Originally posted by RadZoa
IIRC this is a Younger Thor. I remember Thor kicking the crap out of a future version of Apocalypse and, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Thor beating his ass in AXIS too or no?

He was. I was just correcting the other poster. I was correcting the other posters statement about Young Thor supposedly giving him trouble. The only time he did was when Kang tricked Thor into enchanting Jarnbjorn so Thor could then pierce Apocalype's Celestial tech armour.

Thor was fighting Evan Sabah Nur ascended in AXIS yes.

You'd be hard pressed to find anything in Apoc's arsehole that even compares to average Thanos.

The basic battle goes like this:

Apoc grows big as shit and stomps on Thanos. Then a blast rips through his leg and blows off his face but more importantly his ballsack. Then he dies.

The battle then plays out on a smaller scale in the bushes nearby with Quanchi beating off onto Tricksterpriest's face. Quan then slaps him and walks away with exaggerated hip movement swaying side to side.

The battle then plays out on a smaller scale as Trickster watches his wiggle the whole way and his purple head blasts and soils right through his blue denim jeans.

So, in the only fight that really matters, 616 Apocalypse (Nur) has raped 616 Thor.

Glad we all agree

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You'd be hard pressed to find anything in Apoc's arsehole that even compares to average Thanos.

The basic battle goes like this:

Apoc grows big as shit and stomps on Thanos. Then a blast rips through his leg and blows off his face but more importantly his ballsack. Then he dies.

The battle then plays out on a smaller scale in the bushes nearby with Quanchi beating off onto Tricksterpriest's face. Quan then slaps him and walks away with exaggerated hip movement swaying side to side.

The battle then plays out on a smaller scale as Trickster watches his wiggle the whole way and his purple head blasts and soils right through his denim jeans.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So, in the only fight that really matters, 616 Apocalypse (Nur) has raped 616 Thor.

Glad we all agree

When did this happen? Young Thor? Thor has bested Apoc every encounter besides that one.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
When did this happen? Young Thor? Thor has bested Apoc every encounter besides that one.

No, he hasn't.

Axe hax doesn't really count.

Apoc never fast BB's scream either.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Apoc never fast BB's scream either.

hmm, what do you mean by fast?

Not Apoc...

Thanos wrecks him

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The End

Originally posted by Nusa105
Thanos wrecks him

http://comicisland.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2-compressed4.jpg

The End

Never happened. Virtual reality "fight". Read the comics you post feats from, please.

Apoc restrained the Hulk with one arm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3778985-apoc.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Never happened. Virtual reality "fight". Read the comics you post feats from, please.

Apoc restrained the Hulk with one arm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3778985-apoc.jpg that's just a mess.

I don't see how a being who almost broke Thor's spine will somehow get stomped by Thanos. Thanos can't even do that. Mangog can't even do that. I'm not saying Apoc wins but rather it's not a stomp for Thanos.

Thanos wins a hard fought victory.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't see how a being who almost broke Thor's spine will somehow get stomped by Thanos. Thanos can't even do that. Mangog can't even do that. I'm not saying Apoc wins but rather it's not a stomp for Thanos.

Thanos wins a hard fought victory.

It's a stomp when all powers are considered. Track record goes a long way in proving this as well. Apoc has a few high moments, but then you can't simply ignore his lows. Thanos operates on a higher level.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't see how a being who almost broke Thor's spine will somehow get stomped by Thanos. Thanos can't even do that. Mangog can't even do that. I'm not saying Apoc wins but rather it's not a stomp for Thanos.

Thanos wins a hard fought victory. first you have to understand you don't understand comics at all and second the fact you don't read them.
Then you have to consider that's 1 feat in all Apocs history of a lvl he's never come close to again. Also said feat is from a very long time ago in "history"

That showing against Thor isn't normal Thor.

Thanos, based on both characters' COMPLETE history, utterly destroys Apocalypse.

Both are comfortably above the likes of thor,but thanos is quite a bit more powerful

Originally posted by Genii96
Both are comfortably above the likes of thor,but thanos is quite a bit more powerful I disagree. Thor's top feats are more impressive than Apocalypse's.

Thor's 'top' feats are more impressive than thanos' too,so what? That's why its called high end feats

Originally posted by Genii96
Thor's 'top' feats are more impressive than thanos' too,so what? That's why its called high end feats Thanos at his top (I.e. IG and HotU) trump anything Thor has ever accomplished. That being said, I'd take Classic Thor vs Apocalypse in a fight 9/10. Against Thanos though I'd take Thanos over Thor every time.

Originally posted by Genii96
Thor's 'top' feats are more impressive than thanos' too,so what? That's why its called high end feats Apoc has 1 good feat against Thor. His average doesn't come close to Thors average.

He also has a great str showing against the Hulk.

Lol you mean a vulnerable Hulk

I mean Hulk couldn't do shit to free himself.

You want lowballing, start with Thanus getting rocked by Spiderpussy's kick.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I mean Hulk couldn't do shit to free himself.

You want lowballing, start with Thanus getting rocked by Spiderpussy's kick. ha cry more f*ggot, fact is Hulk wasn't right after just returning from what happened with Onslaught.

First of all, do behave. I haven't insulted you - not even with Nuul, which was purely humourous. You showed everyone you can be civil, don't stop now.

Clint's arrows have penetrated Thanos

For the Apocalypse feat for surviving BB's scream I always took that with a grain of salt. Weren't there also other X-Men around, like Cyclops, who also weren't killed by it?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So, in the only fight that really matters, 616 Apocalypse (Nur) has raped 616 Thor.

Glad we all agree

Yeah, but Thanos should be able to rape 616 Thor as well. Remember Thor had the power gem and warrior madness and he basically only managed to give Thanos a bloody nose. Whereas Thanos has flat out stopped Thor's hammer midflight with his powers.

Fighting Thor is not a feat. Not even when he's equipped with a power gem.

Thor is a janithor and a pussy.

True, for Thanos that was just another Tuesday.

Originally posted by Surtur
For the Apocalypse feat for surviving BB's scream I always took that with a grain of salt. Weren't there also other X-Men around, like Cyclops, who also weren't killed by it?

That's because BB's scream doesn't always kill everyone and everything around it... its "AoE"sness depends on the writer. He hasn't killed Medusa with a scream, either. And she lied right next to his cum-wet cock.

Cyclops was firing at Apocalypse, too. And his best visor-on blasts were described to able to bust an asteroid...

Originally posted by Surtur
True, for Thanos that was just another Tuesday.

No, Thanos was bleeding like a virgin after taking attacks from a weakened Bolt.

Sorry, Thanos always disappoints. In fact, if not for Starlin-the-retard-fanboy, we'd still be counting his losses against Ka-Zar, She-Hulk, etc.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's a stomp when all powers are considered. Track record goes a long way in proving this as well. Apoc has a few high moments, but then you can't simply ignore his lows. Thanos operates on a higher level. I disagree. I always ignore lows since they are contradictory to a character fighting at their best ability AS SHOWN BEFORE. I will always use middle to high feats, never low ones. Otherwise, Thanos has a lot of low showings as well that would make Apoc stomp him in a single blow.

To physically do that to Thor proves one's durability (and strength level) is top notch. Thanos is not putting Apoc down anytime soon. I see Apoc really hurting Thanos if he hits him with one of those blows that he did Thor.
Plus Apoc has technopathy and can mess with Thanos tech (assuming he still has some on his person).

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
That showing against Thor isn't normal Thor.

Thanos, based on both characters' COMPLETE history, utterly destroys Apocalypse.

That Thor has the same durability as normal Thor, unless you have evidence to show not.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
first you have to understand you don't understand comics at all and second the fact you don't read them.
Then you have to consider that's 1 feat in all Apocs history of a lvl he's never come close to again. Also said feat is from a very long time ago in "history"

But that's his most current showing. Is there any contradictory evidence that shows Apoc in another comic not being able to do what he did to Thor (excluding low showings, since they are not average)?

Thanos is more durable then Thor so why would you assume what hurts Thor would automatically hurt him?

Heck in another thread someone said Thor needed special protection just to fight a dude inside the sun.

Thanos is being wanked because of 1-2 good stories Starlin has written, nothing more...

He sucked in his other appearances, including both cartoon shows.

Hopefully, he'll be done right in MCU at least.

Originally posted by Surtur
Thanos is more durable then Thor so why would you assume what hurts Thor would automatically hurt him?

Heck in another thread someone said Thor needed special protection just to fight a dude inside the sun.

Than*

Thor is not durable at all.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
First of all, do behave. I haven't insulted you - not even with Nuul, which was purely humourous. You showed everyone you can be civil, don't stop now.

Clint's arrows have penetrated Thanos lol don't try to tell me.

His arrows actually stuck in his armor/gear not his body

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thanos is being wanked because of 1-2 good stories Starlin has written, nothing more...

He sucked in his other appearances, including both cartoon shows.

Hopefully, he'll be done right in MCU at least. that's just nonsense. Giffen, Abnett/Lanning, Peter David all wrote Thanos as powerful as Starlin. Hickman made Thanos tough as hell too.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
lol don't try to tell me.

His arrows actually stuck in his armor/gear not his body

I know how you "work". Insult your favourite character, you get pissed. That's a natural reaction, actually... but after so many years on KMC, you should be able to control it. Otherwise it gets personal, and we don't need that shit here. You know that.

That's what you claim, yes - but his suit appears to be skintight, so... not a good example. Unless you can provide us with incidents in which some objects got stuck in Thanos' armor like that.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
that's just nonsense. Giffen, Abnett/Lanning, Peter David all wrote Thanos as powerful as Starlin. Hickman made Thanos tough as hell too.

Powerful =/= good.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I know how you "work". Insult your favourite character, you get pissed. That's a natural reaction, actually... but after so many years on KMC, you should be able to control it. Otherwise it gets personal, and we don't need that shit here. You know that.

That's what you claim, yes - but his suit appears to be skintight, so... not a good example. Unless you can provide us with incidents in which some objects got stuck in Thanos' armor like that. again what you're saying is meaningless , you're trying to troll so you get what you deserve.

It's shown in the panel lol, they are stuck in his shoulder plates..the very same thing happened with a axe when he fought deaths hordes. Are you that desperate.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Powerful =/= good. Giffens, Abnett/Lannings portrayal of Thsnos were better and more interesting than starlins. Plus how he was written wasn't your actual point to begin with.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
again what you're saying is meaningless , you're trying to troll so you get what you deserve.

It's shown in the panel lol, they are stuck in his shoulder plates. Are you that desperate.

Easy, boy. You can be banned at any moment, I was the one who vouched for you. Moron.

You're delusional. You probably think Logan's claws were stuck in his armor, too? During IW?

Get your brain examinated, Nihilist. Don't come back until then.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Easy, boy. You can be banned at any moment, I was the one who vouched for you. Moron.

You're delusional. You probably think Logan's claws were stuck in his armor, too? During IW?

Get your brain examinated, Nihilist. Don't come back until then. boy lmao, shut up turd. Am i supposed to be bothered?

So you're just ignoring on panel proof? Like I said the same thing happened when Thanos fought deaths hordes and axe got stuck in his shoulder plating.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
boy lmao, shut up turd. Am i supposed to be bothered?

So you're just ignoring on panel proof? Like I said the same thing happened when Thanos fought deaths hordes and axe got stuck in his shoulder plating.

I dunno. Am I...? You're the one who started shit, as always.


No, you're the one. Oh, the fodder axe managed to get his arm bleeding just OK

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I dunno. Am I...? You're the one who started shit, as always.


No, you're the one. Oh, the fodder axe managed to get his arm bleeding just OK you mean the countering of your trolling.

Fact is the 2 examples I gave show stuff sticking in his armor.

Lol you mean the ovin mercs, yeah it cut him only after battling 25,000 at once and receiving just one cut. Context.

If you people can't behave, then don't post. Take it to PMs. The thread is no place for the kind of profanity being thrown around either.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you mean the countering of your trolling.

Fact is the 2 examples I gave show stuff sticking in his armor.

Lol you mean the ovin mercs, yeah it cut him only after battling 25,000 at once and receiving just one cut. Context.

You don't counter a thing, you never had... you just attack posters for no other reason than that they don't like Thanos.

Yeah, how about some scans... oh right, you never post that. You just talk shit and bash. Good job... Nihilist

Originally posted by -Pr-
If you people can't behave, then don't post. Take it to PMs. The thread is no place for the kind of profanity being thrown around either.

Done posting. Should've never entered this thread; Thanos' ones always devolve to shit.

Perhaps that was the reason they got temp banned in the first place.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You don't counter a thing, you never had... you just attack posters for no other reason than that they don't like Thanos.

Yeah, how about some scans... oh right, you never post that. You just talk shit and bash. Good job... Nihilist just the same as the way you troll. Who cares if someone doesn't like a character lol, grow up.

Cry more , any half decent poster has read the vast majority of stuff that's gets talked on here. It's not my fault you can't counter the examples I gave and shit down the one you tried to use. Good job running off again.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Done posting. Should've never entered this thread; Thanos' ones always devolve to shit.

Perhaps that was the reason they got temp banned in the first place. yeah they do delve into shit especially when posters purposefully troll and then get called on it.

Fact is you've been proven wrong and don't like so you're causing a stink about it.

Not one thing I said about the showings or his appearances under different writers was a lie.

Thanos wins. Nuff said.

I am not a fan of either character, so i believe i am being impartial when i say that Thanos is above Apocalypse in every respect. Just one level above, maybe, but that is enough.

Thanos is far older than Apoc. More Experience.
Thanos has also faced far more opponents than Apoc. More Experience and More On-Panel Feats.
Thanos has faced more powerful enemies than Apoc. More Experience, More On-Panel Feats and More Proof of Durability than Apoc can overcome.
There is more on-panel evidence of what he has been capable of doing against enemies that r far beyond Apoc. More of the above "Mores".

The Tech, Physical Strength, Skill, Experience, Energy Attacks, Defenses and Durability of Thanos has been tested, illustrated, stated and proven more, and at more advanced levels than Apocalypse.

Unless all of this can be argued, disproven or thrown out, Thanosshould be the winner in this scenario.

Thanos wins handily. Apoc has never displayed the type of power that thanos has

But he held the Hulk back one time!!

Yea i saw that scan looks like the prelude to war hulk. Meh. Not impressed. When he moves out of the bush leagues (x-men) and does something other than create horsemen who fail then I'll give him an A for effort.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Than*

Just out of curiosity, even though I used the word "then" instead of "than" you..understood what I was saying right? It didn't create any kind of language barrier that left you wondering what I was trying to say?



But why then is it wanking Thanos to say he's more durable then Thor if Thor isn't durable at all?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
But he held the Hulk back one time!!

Maybe he just somehow used Hulks natural enemy: a snake. You see because Bruce Banner is actually Indiana Jones.

Titan is saying that to be sarcastic. The guy can't stand the Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Titan is saying that to be sarcastic. The guy can't stand the Hulk. I don't mind the Hulk, I can't stand you. Hope that's cleared that up for you

Originally posted by Surtur
Thanos is more durable then Thor so why would you assume what hurts Thor would automatically hurt him?

Heck in another thread someone said Thor needed special protection just to fight a dude inside the sun.

Well, they are a liar unless it was a specific issue. He has fought on Sun a few times with no armor. Most recently in Godbutcher #9.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Well, they are a liar unless it was a specific issue. He has fought on Sun a few times with no armor. Most recently in Godbutcher #9. Yep. Thor has fought inside stars before easy. Anyone saying he can't is a Thor hater or a DC fanboy like Abhil


Anyway, Thanos wins.

Just tossing in my two cents:

H2H I think Apocalypse has the advantage because he has more physical abilities than Thanos and could likely just grow gigantic and kick Thanos around.

All powers at play the edge clearly goes to Thanos based on feats, but that's also assuming that he's powerful enough to get through Celestial Armor. I don't know if Apocalypse has the blasting power to take Thanos out (primarily because Nur operates in the realm of the X-Men where he himself is the biggest fish), but he was also able to go toe to toe with, and best, High Evolutionary in the The Evolutionary War arc where HE was written as very powerful but just under someone like Galactus, and that was High Evolutionary after he'd gone mad when the Beyonders stole Counter Earth and had Hulk kill him so he could resurrect and repair his brain damage. This version of High Evolutionary was so powerful that in that same arc the Avengers had to hyper evolve Hercules using HE's tech to a level of godhood where he'd be HE's equal, and Apocalypse was more powerful than, or at the very least equal to, that version of HE. That might not be enough to make a case for Apocalypse beating Thanos given Thanos's history, but Apocalypse is not a slouch when he's at full power. Most times he's 'lost' it's because of some kind of plot device regarding him not being fully rejuvenated/being awakened from his hibernation or it's simply his plans being foiled (like in The Twelve or Blood of Apocalypse). 616 Apocalypse is batting at least .900 in head up fights when at full power, he's just written to let his henchmen do most of the dirty work.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Just tossing in my two cents:

H2H I think Apocalypse has the advantage because he has more physical abilities than Thanos and could likely just grow gigantic and kick Thanos around.

All powers at play the edge clearly goes to Thanos based on feats, but that's also assuming that he's powerful enough to get through Celestial Armor. I don't know if Apocalypse has the blasting power to take Thanos out (primarily because Nur operates in the realm of the X-Men where he himself is the biggest fish), but he was also able to go toe to toe with, and best, High Evolutionary in the The Evolutionary War arc where HE was written as very powerful but just under someone like Galactus, and that was High Evolutionary after he'd gone mad when the Beyonders stole Counter Earth and had Hulk kill him so he could resurrect and repair his brain damage. This version of High Evolutionary was so powerful that in that same arc the Avengers had to hyper evolve Hercules using HE's tech to a level of godhood where he'd be HE's equal, and Apocalypse was more powerful than, or at the very least equal to, that version of HE. That might not be enough to make a case for Apocalypse beating Thanos given Thanos's history, but Apocalypse is not a slouch when he's at full power. Most times he's 'lost' it's because of some kind of plot device regarding him not being fully rejuvenated/being awakened from his hibernation or it's simply his plans being foiled (like in The Twelve or Blood of Apocalypse). 616 Apocalypse is batting at least .900 in head up fights when at full power, he's just written to let his henchmen do most of the dirty work. Thanos physically beats the shit out of Apocalypse.

I disagree, obviously.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I disagree, obviously. Apoc has never physically held his own against anyone as powerful as Thanos. As for the growing thing , that's no issue for Thanos.

Tell me who he has actually fought that leads you to believe he would beat Thanos.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Just tossing in my two cents:

H2H I think Apocalypse has the advantage because he has more physical abilities than Thanos and could likely just grow gigantic and kick Thanos around.

All powers at play the edge clearly goes to Thanos based on feats, but that's also assuming that he's powerful enough to get through Celestial Armor. I don't know if Apocalypse has the blasting power to take Thanos out (primarily because Nur operates in the realm of the X-Men where he himself is the biggest fish), but he was also able to go toe to toe with, and best, High Evolutionary in the The Evolutionary War arc where HE was written as very powerful but just under someone like Galactus, and that was High Evolutionary after he'd gone mad when the Beyonders stole Counter Earth and had Hulk kill him so he could resurrect and repair his brain damage. This version of High Evolutionary was so powerful that in that same arc the Avengers had to hyper evolve Hercules using HE's tech to a level of godhood where he'd be HE's equal, and Apocalypse was more powerful than, or at the very least equal to, that version of HE. That might not be enough to make a case for Apocalypse beating Thanos given Thanos's history, but Apocalypse is not a slouch when he's at full power. Most times he's 'lost' it's because of some kind of plot device regarding him not being fully rejuvenated/being awakened from his hibernation or it's simply his plans being foiled (like in The Twelve or Blood of Apocalypse). 616 Apocalypse is batting at least .900 in head up fights when at full power, he's just written to let his henchmen do most of the dirty work.

Nice synopsis. Is his celestial armor standard equip now?

That depends on how physically powerful you consider Thanos, not overall powerful. Overall, all powers at play, sure, Thanos is clearly depicted as in another class as he's a universal threat obtaining artifacts that grant godhood whereas Apocalypse is primarily focused on curating evolution on Earth. When it comes to just fist fights, though, he's not so clearly superior unless you only take into consideration Thanos piecing up Silver Surfer as a point of reference and don't consider Apocalypse casually sonning people like Living Monolith, Ikaris, or God Butcher Arc Prince Thor.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
That depends on how physically powerful you consider Thanos, not overall powerful. Overall, all powers at play, sure, Thanos is clearly depicted as in another class as he's a universal threat obtaining artifacts that grant godhood whereas Apocalypse is primarily focused on curating evolution on Earth. When it comes to just fist fights, though, he's not so clearly superior unless you only take into consideration Thanos piecing up Silver Surfer as a point of reference and don't consider Apocalypse casually sonning people like Living Monolith, Ikaris, or God Butcher Arc Prince Thor. Thanos held his own for a period of time with Thor drawing from the power gem. He was strong enough to match Tyrants strength. He casually destroys the likes of BRB and Ronan as if they are fleas. He recently was shown to be physically superior to Annihilus who was amped by Hulks power and drawing from the cosmic control rod. In terms of physical power Ikaris and Moniloth are low grade.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Nice synopsis. Is his celestial armor standard equip now?

Apparently it always has been. The contemporary stories with Apocalypse have retconned it's origin so that the armor was bestowed as a gift from the Celestials to Apocalypse when they dubbed him the Evolutionary Caretaker of Earth and basically he became their herald/agent. Originally the armor was gained via Apocalypse being infected with the Transmode virus by Cable and interfacing with Ship, then incorporating Celestial technology into his body. That retcon appears to be retroactive as it was shown to be Celestial Armor going back as far as the 12th Century where he encountered Prince Thor as a tie in to the Age of Ultron, God Butcher, and Apocalypse Twins arcs.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos held his own for a period of time with Thor drawing from the power gem. He was strong enough to match Tyrants strength. He casually destroys the likes of BRB and Ronan as if they are fleas. He recently was shown to be physically superior to Annihilus who was amped by Hulks power and drawing from the cosmic control rod. In terms of physical power Ikaris and Moniloth are low grade.

A soft clone of Apocalypse two pieced Kluh.

Thanos. Apoc will hang for a few, but Thanos's laundry list of operating clearly beyond high herald level is too long.


All powers available Thanos wins big.

Yeah, Thanos clearly has the better resume. As a fan of Apocalypse I really hope he graduates to being a regular Avengers villain versus being stuck in the X-Men's Rogues Gallery. Given the situation with FOX and Marvel over the X-Men properties, though, it's highly unlikely to happen. I think a comic where Thanos and Apocalypse meet would be dope. Thanos has operated on Earth in the past and has a half Inhuman child. You'd think their paths would have crossed at some point. Maybe that can be a story in itself.

If Odin couldn't put down Thanos, Apocalypse sure ain't doing it.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
A soft clone of Apocalypse two pieced Kluh. still nothing close to Thanos.

Apocs strength is over rated even Loki broke free from him.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If Odin couldn't put down Thanos, Apocalypse sure ain't doing it.

Odin probably could have put down Thanos. Except from the looks of the fight when he gives Thanos the chance to yield he wasn't going full blast on him. I'm sure if Odin wasn't going into that battle with the same mindset and rather wasn't giving him a chance to yield he would have put Thanos down.

Odin most definitely could of put Thanos down, but its weird..the ruler of Asgard didn't want to nuke Asgard in order to defeat Thanos.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Odin probably could have put down Thanos. Except from the looks of the fight when he gives Thanos the chance to yield he wasn't going full blast on him. I'm sure if Odin wasn't going into that battle with the same mindset and rather wasn't giving him a chance to yield he would have put Thanos down. Odin was trying to put Thanos down, he calls Thanos a villian and believes Thanos has his son captive. It's the sole reason he used the Gungnir, it channels energy better therefore decreasing surrounding destruction.

If Odin was trying his hardest to put Thanos down the surroundings would of been obliterated. Thanos most definitely would have no chance against an Odin who isn't holding back and doesn't care about collateral damage.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
still nothing close to Thanos.

Apocs strength is over rated even Loki broke free from him.

Are you talking about the time Apocalypse morphed his hand into a clamp and grabbed Loki with it and Loki slipped out of it?

Originally posted by Surtur
If Odin was trying his hardest to put Thanos down the surroundings would of been obliterated. Thanos most definitely would have no chance against an Odin who isn't holding back and doesn't care about collateral damage. so you don't think he was trying to put Thanos down at all and was playing. Don't talk stupid. He wanted Thanos beat to get Thor back. Hence him one shotting Surfer.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
so you don't think he was trying to put Thanos down at all and was playing. Don't talk stupid. He wanted Thanos beat to get Thor back. Hence him one shotting Surfer.

I think it would be talking stupid to assume a guy who can destroy galaxies as a side effect of his fights was going all out without causing massive collateral damage.

Notice I never said he didn't try, I said he didn't try his hardest. In other words he did not go all out.

The only way you could think he was trying his hardest would be if you just decide to dismiss the galaxy destroying feats Odin has.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think it would be talking stupid to assume a guy who can destroy galaxies as a side effect of his fights was going all out without causing massive collateral damage.

Notice I never said he didn't try, I said he didn't try his hardest. In other words he did not go all out.

The only way you could think he was trying his hardest would be if you just decide to dismiss the galaxy destroying feats Odin has. the galaxy feat happened once and it was a shared feat. Characters rarely go "all out" in the vast majority of their fights.

So then are you agreeing he didn't go all out or what? Since you mention the galaxy feat as if you're saying it shouldn't count, but then you point out characters rarely go all out.

Was Odin using every ounce of power he has to fight Thanos, yes or no?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
the galaxy feat happened once and it was a shared feat. Characters rarely go "all out" in the vast majority of their fights.
More than once. And he has feats that are beyond galaxy busting.


That was a pretty high end Thanos that went up against Odin. Good feat for Thanos and not at all surprising considering his history.


And Odin not taking out the rest of Asgard is not proof that he was not going all out. Thanos was written high in that arc. Clearly not Odin level since he still was getting his @$$ whooped, but high nonetheless.

If when Odin goes all out he busts galaxies then how does he go all out and not bust Asgard?

Originally posted by Surtur
If when Odin goes all out he busts galaxies then how does he go all out and not bust Asgard?
Because collateral damage is not always needed to show proof of power.

He doesn't bust on his own. Read up on the Gungnir it will help you understand why Asgard wasn't destroyed as much.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Because collateral damage is not always needed to show proof of power. https://38.media.tumblr.com/83b482e878f7bc0d8b5cdbae86ab7846/tumblr_inline_o07iwt98JF1qdjihd_500.gif

Originally posted by MF DELPH
A soft clone of Apocalypse two pieced Kluh. Thanos punched a hole in his equal clone when he went all out. Mind you neither were at full power, but each one was above Thor at least

Either way though, he's only went all out 2 times, and 3 if you count his powering up to it in Infinity. Which leaves room for him to demolish Apoc.

Countering that would mean debating whether Thanos is more durable than Celestial Armor. I'm not really in the mood to go down that rabbit hole.

Not saying Odin went all out against Thanos btw. It was a good showing for Thanos.


Thanos of late has been very impressive. Beat a massively amped Annihilus who is on average a trans character. Physically ripped out Ego's Galactus engine as well as beating physical manifestation of said opponent. Beat revengers who had a cosmic cube. Laughed off the Avengers' during Infinity. Etc. Etc.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Countering that would mean debating whether Thanos is more durable than Celestial Armor. I'm not really in the mood to go down that rabbit hole. The issue is that Apocalypse has never taken a hit capable of punching through Thanos.

Even if he has actual Celestial armor that they parade around in, it is obviously of a thinner and therefore less durable variety. Otherwise you could concievably have him taking anything a Celestial has tanked, which doesn't sound right. Plus his head isn't encased in armor anyway.

Plus there's a point to be made that Thanos could punch into a Celestial anyway. It just wouldn't do anything because of the healing factor.

Whether it was actual Celestial Armor was already established in Uncanny Avengers and the Apocalypse Twins Arc, hence the Jarnbjorn/anti-Celestial armor haxx spell provided to Thor by Kang.

Also, Apocalypse also has a healing factor and complete control of his atomic structure. He can reform from a liquid state and self detonate and reform. At least in 616 he can and has. Most people confuse 616 with AoA and HoM depictions.

But I'm stopping here. I'm not going down the Thanos vs. Celestial Armor durability road. I plan on enjoying my weekend. lol

Are people arguing for Apoc? Hes a badass but he gets oneshotted.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Are people arguing for Apoc? Hes a badass but he gets oneshotted.

No, he really doesn't.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Whether it was actual Celestial Armor was already established in Uncanny Avengers and the Apocalypse Twins Arc, hence the Jarnbjorn/anti-Celestial armor haxx spell provided to Thor by Kang.

Also, Apocalypse also has a healing factor and complete control of his atomic structure. He can reform from a liquid state and self detonate and reform. At least in 616 he can and has. Most people confuse 616 with AoA and HoM depictions.

But I'm stopping here. I'm not going down the Thanos vs. Celestial Armor durability road. I plan on enjoying my weekend. lol I'm talking about the actual armor that they wear which is basically skin. Just because it worked doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked on any Celestial tech. Though again, if it was the same material, it was of a far thinner variety considering Celestial armor is about as thick as Apocalypse. It's essentially Wolverine's claws vs a block of adamantium at that point.

Then he just keeps getting beaten down. Nothing he's done is going to be more than an annoyance for Thanos. Not to mention ever since the Celestial armor retcon he hasn't exactly been shown to be able to manipulate his armor. In fact he lost to the axe that only effected his armor, and he even made a point to seperate his body from his armor in the Evan match and still got put down due to axe wounds. Iirc he also got put down from Absorbing Man smashing him in the face with the Jarn enchantment from the blunt wrecking ball. Which essentially means that a big axe and a big hit from Absorbing Man defeated him.
And if we assume his powers weren't forgotten, then it goes to show that his healing and molecule manipulation aren't absolute.

I think that Thanos has done more than enough to show he can and would damage Celestial armor of Apocalypse's thickness. And it'd be a huge beatdown either in h2h or all out until Apoc dropped.

We can use showings to contrast tactics though:

Ego tried the growing trick on Thanos and got his avatar destroyed when Thanos caught his attack and destroyed it. He then went inert and tried to absorb Thanos when he came back.
Stabbing him is something accomplishable, but Thanos would just heal. He healed in like panel from someone of a severely amped Annihilus' nature with sharpened claws.
Punches and blasts... shouldn't have to even get into this.
Possible telepathy, again, nope.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Because collateral damage is not always needed to show proof of power. it is. Otherwise a character is operating on a lower level. So I agree that Odin was blasting Thanos with full power. It's just that particular Odin wasn't operating at those type of levels. The same as why Gladiator doesn't operate at planet busting levels when he punches someone.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If Odin couldn't put down Thanos, Apocalypse sure ain't doing it. they are different characters. Abc logic doesn't work. Plus Odin did put Thanos down. Either that's Thanos at his best or Odin as one of his worst or Odin and is actually closer to high herald than what many think (because Thanos is not far from high herald).

Originally posted by Horrificus
I am not a fan of either character, so i believe i am being impartial when i say that Thanos is above Apocalypse in every respect. Just one level above, maybe, but that is enough.

Thanos is far older than Apoc. More Experience.
Thanos has also faced far more opponents than Apoc. More Experience and More On-Panel Feats.
Thanos has faced more powerful enemies than Apoc. More Experience, More On-Panel Feats and More Proof of Durability than Apoc can overcome.
There is more on-panel evidence of what he has been capable of doing against enemies that r far beyond Apoc. More of the above "Mores".

The Tech, Physical Strength, Skill, Experience, Energy Attacks, Defenses and Durability of Thanos has been tested, illustrated, stated and proven more, and at more advanced levels than Apocalypse.

Unless all of this can be argued, disproven or thrown out, Thanosshould be the winner in this scenario. apoc is stronger. His hits can seriously hurt Thanos. Apoc can heal near instantly. Apoc has technopathy and can take over Thanos tech. Thanos is not resistant against cutting weapons.

Originally posted by Surtur
Thanos is more durable then Thor so why would you assume what hurts Thor would automatically hurt him?

Heck in another thread someone said Thor needed special protection just to fight a dude inside the sun. it's the level of hurt. Thanos isn't that much more durable than Thor is. If Thor gets killed then Thanos gets hurt, if Thor gets disintegrated then Thanos gets killed easily. Get my point?

Your full argument fails. Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with enough power to slag billions of dimensions yet the wallpaper in the room wasn't even damaged.

I'd ask you to back up everything you just said but you can't as you know nothing about Apoc and go purely from power set

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Your full argument fails. Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with enough power to slag billions of dimensions yet the wallpaper in the room wasn't even damaged.

I'd ask you to back up everything you just said but you can't as you know nothing about Apoc and go purely from power set Prove it. Show me MM blasting Beyonder with blasts that can slag billions of dimensions

Also know that dimensions aren't tangible. So that argument makes no sense anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove it. Show me MM blasting Beyonder with blasts that can slag billions of dimensions

Also know that dimensions aren't tangible. So that argument makes no sense anyway. secret wars 2. Go to the respect thread it's stated on panel. So yeah it's usable, the writers opinion trumps bullshit you can come up with.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
secret wars 2. Go to the respect thread it's stated on panel. So yeah it's usable, the writers opinion trumps bullshit you can come up with. I remember it. Character statements are sometimes hyperbole. This doesn't mean that Beyonder's words were though.

Dimensions are intangible, so that makes no sense. But let's go with it since this is comics. The blast was concentrated on Beyonder. Beyonder absorbed the entire blast.

I would compare Apocalypse to early depictions of Thanos. But current And recent Thanos places him a level or 2 above.

Just going by some of the fights he lost, but survived, I would have to go with him.

I don't see Apocalypse surviving some of the fights Thanos has survived. Skyfather-level, Galactus-level, taking on multiple Herald-level characters.

I just don't see Apocalypse doing as well, or surviving at all.

Has apocalypse had a herald and above level fight? Like full fight

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has apocalypse had a herald and above level fight? Like full fight as far as i can remember, he hasnt had a true battle with any true heralds. And i am pretty certain he hasnt defeated or even dominated anybody at that level.

Also, addressing Apoc's ability to control "tech", its been stated in the past that Thanos' tech is beyond the scientific and, like Dr. Doom, is also mystically powered.

Finally, to address the durability if Thanos vs Apoc's healing ability:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146296/4028534-thanosreality.jpg

My "Kung Fu" is very strong...chinese

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, he really doesn't.

I think he does, but I also dont think I'm always right. So I will ask what High Herald has Apoc ever actually beaten solo? Yeah, he dominated a young Thor, and he has that war hulk episode, and he no sold black bolts scream. All of those are good but nothing that says he lasts longer than a minute vs. Thanos.

Black Bolt never screamed at him and Apocalypse was massively amped at the time.

Black Bolt was basically making the face you do when you're blowing hair out of someone's face.

i know, I've read the issue. And thats the thing, the only way you could make a case for Apoc is using high end showings only. And when one of your highest showings is beating a teenage Thor after sneak attacking him then your probably not going to do to well against someone who can take a beating from classic Odin.

Apocalypse is probably my favorite X-Men villian, but Thanos is a good bit beyond him, and will pretty much dominate Apoc from start to finish. I can't think of one offensive power that Apoc has that would really even damage Thanos.

Originally posted by h1a8
it is. Otherwise a character is operating on a lower level. So I agree that Odin was blasting Thanos with full power. It's just that particular Odin wasn't operating at those type of levels. The same as why Gladiator doesn't operate at planet busting levels when he punches someone.

they are different characters. Abc logic doesn't work. Plus Odin did put Thanos down. Either that's Thanos at his best or Odin as one of his worst or Odin and is actually closer to high herald than what many think (because Thanos is not far from high herald).

apoc is stronger. His hits can seriously hurt Thanos. Apoc can heal near instantly. Apoc has technopathy and can take over Thanos tech. Thanos is not resistant against cutting weapons.

it's the level of hurt. Thanos isn't that much more durable than Thor is. If Thor gets killed then Thanos gets hurt, if Thor gets disintegrated then Thanos gets killed easily. Get my point?

What are you talking about man? Like, literally half of this is completely untrue and in fact, the opposite.

Apoc is stronger than Thanos? Huh? Where did you get that from?

Thanos is basically high herald? Wow.

Thanos isn't much more durable than Thor? Ok, yeah, we should just stop here because all of this is wrong and I'm really not sure where you came to these conclusions as I can't think of a single thing Apoc has done that would make him physically stronger than the Hulk or adult Thor, not even close to Thanos.

Does anybody have a scan of Apoc's best strength feat? And if its a scan of him bullyimg Colossus then don't even bother.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Thanos punched a hole in his equal clone when he went all out. Mind you neither were at full power, but each one was above Thor at least

Either way though, he's only went all out 2 times, and 3 if you count his powering up to it in Infinity. Which leaves room for him to demolish Apoc.
Eh? He went to astral plane to do that.

Magus manhandled that same clone easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh? He went to astral plane to do that.

Magus manhandled that same clone easily. No...
He was merely talking about astral suicide because he thought if he killed the clone he would kill himself. Hell it even shows the damage occurring in the room while he says astral suicide. Because Thanos thought they were connected, hence why he decided instead to turn him into a butterfly to eat him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718601/5895684.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718602/Thanos_doppelganger_8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718603/Thanos_doppelganger_9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718604/1039847.jpg.html

"... sip from the chalice of self destruction"

Hell, astral suicide itself...

And here's showing the battle was physical
Sue was watching (and helping) it right up until he punched a hole in him
http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/dbzrk/media/Thanosdup3_zps46350551.jpg.html



But yes, a surprise choke should lower his power a lot. Even though real Thanos who was weaker was more powerful than all the heroes in Infinity War and manhandled Hulk and Thing even worse.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
No...
He was merely talking about astral suicide because he thought if he killed the clone he would kill himself. Hell it even shows the damage occurring in the room while he says astral suicide. Because Thanos thought they were connected, hence why he decided instead to turn him into a butterfly to eat him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718601/5895684.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718602/Thanos_doppelganger_8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718603/Thanos_doppelganger_9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718604/1039847.jpg.html

"... sip from the chalice of self destruction"

Hell, astral suicide itself...


Maybe you should read the scans again. Or for first time.

The fight was physical before he went to astral plane. According to that comic, Thanos had help from Sue.

http://m.imgur.com/LYRV6ri?r

http://m.imgur.com/qHyvshl?r

That's what helped him beat the doppelganger.

Surprise choke? Haha, what?

Masterson alone stalemated Thanos there. Gruenwald had a very high opinion of Thanos. More than even Starlin.

That's why Quasar casually destroyed his head while he had Infinity Gauntlet in the same series.

Comics are inconsistent. Get over it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe you should read the scans again. Or for first time.

The fight was physical before he went to astral plane. According to that comic, Thanos had help from Sue.

http://m.imgur.com/LYRV6ri?r

http://m.imgur.com/qHyvshl?r

That's what helped him beat the doppelganger.

Surprise choke? Haha, what?

Masterson alone stalemated Thanos there. Gruenwald had a very high opinion of Thanos. More than even Starlin.

That's why Quasar casually destroyed his head while he had Infinity Gauntlet in the same series.

Comics are inconsistent. Get over it. You realize you just posted the other two scans from a 3 image fight (that was in progress) where Sue came in and saw everything up till Thanos held Thanos at his collar and still maintain that they went to the astral plane? And you try to insult me when I'm being civil?

The only possible way Sue could have seen everything and helped is if she also went to the astral plane, following your logic. And I already said she helped. You only posted that to try and lowball when all it does is prove you wrong.

And the words are entirely talking about Thanos worrying about what would happen if he killed his double. I don't... all that supports your stance is the word astral being said once. Nothing there supports it being a mental battle. There are now two full fights posted from when Thanos was in that state. Neither of them had mental battles. And especially the one you posted.

Yeah a surprise choke. He grabbed him with no warning and nothing came of it.

Masterson matched a punch from Thanos, because it's a hammer. Did you expect Thanos to punch through the hammer? Quasar destroying his head is irrelevant, nor does it erase his feats from a comic. Thanos was shown more powerful than the heroes, it's that simple. The clone was portrayed higher.

Sounds like you're the one who needs to get over something. Was your purpose to help Apocalypse in this thread or to try and spread false info that never needed to be said?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
What are you talking about man? Like, literally half of this is completely untrue and in fact, the opposite.

Apoc is stronger than Thanos? Huh? Where did you get that from?

Thanos is basically high herald? Wow.

Thanos isn't much more durable than Thor? Ok, yeah, we should just stop here because all of this is wrong and I'm really not sure where you came to these conclusions as I can't think of a single thing Apoc has done that would make him physically stronger than the Hulk or adult Thor, not even close to Thanos.

Does anybody have a scan of Apoc's best strength feat? And if its a scan of him bullyimg Colossus then don't even bother. Thanos is not much more powerful than a high Herald.

On average he's 1.5-2x a high Herald. That's not a lot. Superman can beat him. Gladiator can give him a good fight.

Apoc almost breaking Thor's spine in one hit proves that he is stronger than Thanos. Young adult Thor has the same durability as adult Thor unless you can prove different.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
i know, I've read the issue. And thats the thing, the only way you could make a case for Apoc is using high end showings only. And when one of your highest showings is beating a teenage Thor after sneak attacking him then your probably not going to do to well against someone who can take a beating from classic Odin.

Apocalypse is probably my favorite X-Men villian, but Thanos is a good bit beyond him, and will pretty much dominate Apoc from start to finish. I can't think of one offensive power that Apoc has that would really even damage Thanos. Apoc is stronger. He heals instantly. He can take over Thanos tech.

Originally posted by h1a8
I remember it. Character statements are sometimes hyperbole. This doesn't mean that Beyonder's words were though.

Dimensions are intangible, so that makes no sense. But let's go with it since this is comics. The blast was concentrated on Beyonder. Beyonder absorbed the entire blast. it wasn't hyperbole at all Beyonder was omnipotent.

You're real world logic fails here, Beyonder didn't absorb the blast at all. All you ever do is lie to try and prove your point.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You realize you just posted the other two scans from a 3 image fight (that was in progress) where Sue came in and saw everything up till Thanos held Thanos at his collar and still maintain that they went to the astral plane? And you try to insult me when I'm being civil?


That was just to make it clear that the writers showed the fight in different ways. In Starlin's writing, both are enveloped in psychic auras and when Thanos defeats doppelganger in astral combat, he reverts back to physical body.

There is no need to cite words like "astral suicide" if it was a simple physical battle.

http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2586504-warlockinfinitywatch10_19.jpg

On The very next page, it is made clear that the body is merely a husk.

Or the writers didn't consult each other. Infinity war and crusade were infamous for that.

That's why I asked you to read the scans.

Really? The clone never tried to get free?

That was a snapshot of a long fight which mostly occurred off panel.

Nobody said it does. It's still in consideration though.

A scene doesn't becomes non canon just because you don't like it.



First thing, Quasar's constructs weaken after an assault. Second, Warlock assisted him in destroying the dome.

Third, it wasn't written by the actual writer of the fight where Thanos defeated the clone.

Just like I wouldn't say Starlin wrote Sue helping Thanos defeating the clone.

Haha, who said I wanted to help any character in this thread?

Bottom line, Thanos never punched through his clone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was just to make it clear that the writers showed the fight in different ways. In Starlin's writing, both are enveloped in psychic auras and when Thanos defeats doppelganger in astral combat, he reverts back to physical body.

There is no need to cite words like "astral suicide" if it was a simple physical battle.

http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2586504-warlockinfinitywatch10_19.jpg

On The very next page, it is made clear that the body is merely a husk.

Or the writers didn't consult each other. Infinity war and crusade were infamous for that.

That's why I asked you to read the scans.

Really? The clone never tried to get free?

That was a snapshot of a long fight which mostly occurred off panel.

Nobody said it does. It's still in consideration though.

A scene doesn't becomes non canon just because you don't like it.



First thing, Quasar's constructs weaken after an assault. Second, Warlock assisted him in destroying the dome.

Third, it wasn't written by the actual writer of the fight where Thanos defeated the clone.

Just like I wouldn't say Starlin wrote Sue helping Thanos defeating the clone.

Haha, who said I wanted to help any character in this thread?

Bottom line, Thanos never punched through his clone.

So basically what you're saying is that apparently Sue watching and helping bring about the downfall to the clone doesn't count because it was just another writer and Thanos for sure was in the astral plane because the word astral was used?

Astral suicide was used because he was worried about what would happen to his own mind and spirit if he killed this clone. Him saying he is merely a husk is finding out that nothing would happen to himself. It's entirely explained in the scans you told me to read.
In fact the only thing in the scans that even begins to defend you is 2 words... so why you are telling me to read is weird. Not the mention you see nothing wrong or odd with "suicide" being used there. Because why would he say that in a mental battle he was entirely sure he was going to win?


The fight was never in the astral plane though. There is no proof that it was. You're essentially saying one depiction of the fight doesn't count because the word "astral" was used.
Not to mention the writer of the Sue fight was the editor in chief of the entire Infinity War event in Tom Defalco
I am of the firm belief that Tom consulted with Jim. The fight was not in the astral plane.


It was like a panel or two of a choke. He grabbed a sitting ally and choked him briefly in a surprise attack basically. You're putting way too much stock in that.


Of which Thor wasn't shown to stalemate Thanos. We however do have more to the battle in tie ins, but apparently tie ins don't count anymore if they provide more context.


I never said it was non canon, and that's exactly what you're trying to do with the Sue fight anyway.
It's just entirely irrelevant. "Hey, check out this low feat, crazy huh?" What purpose does this have? What purpose does arguing it have? It is not a consideration at all.


Quasar's constructs are only shown to weaken once they get cracked or he loses focus. They were never shown to crack, nor was he ever worried about it. And Adam Warlock was never shown to fire an attack, there was no green in that beam. All his showed was energy as in Warlock was ready to use the soul gem. And even if Warlock did help, the soul gem wouldn't exactly be the biggest help against something without a soul like a shield.
And even if we assume they split the blast 50-50 (even though again, no green was shown in the blast), that still makes Thanos more powerful than any two heroes there.
Either way you want to slice it, it doesn't matter.

It's also funny how you want to diminish that scene when you literally just said that a scene like that doesn't become non canon just because you don't like it.
I'd have to say a scene where normal Thanos battles normal people has a lot more relevant than showing how hopeless trying to defeat IG Thanos is. And I'd have to say that the context surrounding that battle that you yourself admitted was largely off panel should not become non canon.

And I was woefully misinformed on this new rule we have on characters from different writers not being able to be used. Apparently Starlin would have written Thanos a lot different than Gruen if he wrote that scene or something? The guy who wrote fp Thanos basically tanking IG punches would have had a problem with that?
This isn't a case where one writer decides to go off the deep end and do whatever he wants. There is not one tie in you could point to where one Thanos is more powerful than the other. There's not much difference besides the context other writers decide to include.



Nobody said you wanted to back anyone. Like I said, all you came to do was lowball and spread false information.

Let's reiterate here:
There is no proof of this battle happening in the astral plane. All Thanos was talking about was destroying his own self with killing the clone. Just because the word "astral" was used, that doesn't automatically mean a mental battle.
Tom Defalco, the editor in chief of the event and the editor in chief of Marvel wrote a tie in where Sue watched and helped Thanos defeat the clone the entire time he was supposed to be in the astral plane.

And that's it. That's all that needs to be said to tell that it never happened in the astral plane.

Abhi is envious of Thanos' feats because they are better than Superman's.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is not much more powerful than a high Herald.

On average he's 1.5-2x a high Herald. That's not a lot. Superman can beat him. Gladiator can give him a good fight.

Apoc almost breaking Thor's spine in one hit proves that he is stronger than Thanos. Young adult Thor has the same durability as adult Thor unless you can prove different.

Where are you coming up with these numbers? You literally just made that up.

Yeah Adult Thor is both stronger and durable because Asgardians become stronger with age and more importantly, Thor does. Once again, something you just made up.

Apoc vs. Any high herald solo with some actual feats please?
I know what your doing. Trying to lowball Thanos and somehow bring Superman into this fight. Just like Carver does Hulk only with made up numbers.

I change my answer to Superman wins a Thanos vs. Apocalypse match.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Where are you coming up with these numbers? You literally just made that up.

Yeah Adult Thor is both stronger and durable because Asgardians become stronger with age and more importantly, Thor does. Once again, something you just made up.

Apoc vs. Any high herald solo with some actual feats please?
I know what your doing. Trying to lowball Thanos and somehow bring Superman into this fight. Just like Carver does Hulk only with made up numbers.

I change my answer to Superman wins a Thanos vs. Apocalypse match.

Prove that asgardians get more durable against physical attacks (after adulthood) as they get older. Scans?

Thanos never shown physical strength beyond the strongest high heralds. So saying that he is about 1.5-2x stronger than the average high Herald is very fair to him. Same goes for durability and other powers. Thor and BRB together can beat Thanos. Superman can beat Thanos.

I'm not lowballing Thanos. I didn't once mention a low showing from him.

How can Thanos beat someone that can heal instantly, has cutting weapons, can take over tech, is strong enough to damage Thanos.

Haha brb and Thor can beat Thanos, you are just the worst troll.

You're full arguments are just pure trash.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that asgardians get more durable against physical attacks (after adulthood) as they get older. Scans?

Thanos never shown physical strength beyond the strongest high heralds. So saying that he is about 1.5-2x stronger than the average high Herald is very fair to him. Same goes for durability and other powers. Thor and BRB together can beat Thanos. Superman can beat Thanos.

I'm not lowballing Thanos. I didn't once mention a low showing from him.

How can Thanos beat someone that can heal instantly, has cutting weapons, can take over tech, is strong enough to damage Thanos.
Odin put a seed in Gaea to create an heir that will one day surpass him in power. Whole basis for Odin sexing an elder god in the first place. So logically speaking, Thor should be more durable/stronger as he gets older. Just my two cents.