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With our bfr, who wins?

Sentry destroys Harald effortlessly

Sentry, no contest

I don't know about that.

How do you beat who is damn near indestructible?

I, too, would like to know how Sentry wins at all... Let alone 'effortlessly'.

Sentry wishes him out-of-existence or throw him into the Sun

Well there you have it...

Originally posted by Galan007


Well there you have it...

Seriously, what Harald have besides tremendous amount of strength and durability.

He is hard to kill sure but Sentry is on another level completely.

Originally posted by golem370
How do you beat who is damn near indestructible?

By destroying him.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
By destroying him.
This:
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292726/5320703-sentrymorepowerfulthanmoleculemanandbeyonder.jpg

Yeah, what the creator says is always true.

/sarcasm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, what the creator says is always true.

/sarcasm The creators words cant contradict what is shown in the actual book

Stalemate. Unless Harald's magical sword can keep Sentry from reforming.

Originally posted by h1a8
Stalemate. Unless Harald's magical sword can keep Sentry from reforming.
Stalemate ?

Thor beat Harald, man...

Enough with posting the Jenkins tweet. If Jenkins felt that the character was or should have been at that level, he should have written him as such. No on panel feats suggest he's even close to those levels and i'm a Sentry fanboy.

Originally posted by tkitna
Enough with posting the Jenkins tweet. If Jenkins felt that the character was or should have been at that level, he should have written him as such. No on panel feats suggest he's even close to those levels and i'm a Sentry fanboy.

He did.

The only thing that could stop Sentry in his own mini-series was himself.

Bendis and other writers confirmed this in their own stories...

Nobody in the Marvel Universe swatted Owen Reece, whom was at full power, like the Sentry did.

Sentry is that powerful whatever you like it or not.

That proves that I'm right since one year and an half.

So if he's at the Beyonders or a stable Molecule Mans level then why does he interact and struggle with earth bound characters and such? Jenkins is blowing smoke and your the only one inhaling.

Originally posted by tkitna
So if he's at the Beyonders or a stable Molecule Mans level then why does he interact and struggle with earth bound characters and such? Jenkins is blowing smoke and your the only one inhaling.

1) He erased his memories too many times to remembers what his powers are.

2) The topic of the characters is a guy with a drug addiction problem becoming a God.

I invite you to read the comic book "A God somewhere" which is on the same topic.

Jenkins is an excellent writer and you should try to understand his work instead of ranting.

i really have no clue who could win this, but it would SEEM to me that both are indestructible but one indestructible guy has a lot of extra powers to call upon (sentry) while the other doesn't. i don't think deathtry ever used his molecular control, but supposing her could, wouldn't he be able to just....disintegrate harald? and was harald shown as being able to fly? if not that would make things tough on him. if we disallow deathry's molecular control he'd still have a huge speed edge. strength would be interesting to see.

i dunno. stalemate or disintegration?

Sentry isn't indestructible though, he just heals.

Harald is unaffected by just about any attack and Strange admitted that he couldn't do anything against him.

He can't fly though, like Leo said. So there's no reason he would ever touch the Sentry.

Originally posted by leonidas
i really have no clue who could win this, but it would SEEM to me that both are indestructible but one indestructible guy has a lot of extra powers to call upon (sentry) while the other doesn't. i don't think deathtry ever used his molecular control, but supposing her could, wouldn't he be able to just....disintegrate harald? and was harald shown as being able to fly? if not that would make things tough on him. if we disallow deathry's molecular control he'd still have a huge speed edge. strength would be interesting to see.

i dunno. stalemate or disintegration? If Deathtry used his touted 'universal molecule manip.' as much as some would have us believe, he wouldn't have been stuck in the belly of a friggin space worm for so long:
http://i.imgur.com/hJfH0Nj.jpg
*we didn't see him again until six issues later.

He isn't atomizing Harald, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Deathtry used his touted 'universal molecule manip.' as much as some would have us believe, he wouldn't have been stuck in the belly of a friggin space worm for so long:
http://i.imgur.com/hJfH0Nj.jpg
*we didn't see him again until six issues later.

He isn't atomizing Harald, imo.

I've always seen the "Shai-Hulud" incident to be very weird. It seems at least to me like one of them situations where Remender or any author writes themselves into a corner so what do they choose, a worm that gobbled up Wolverine that was stated to be invulnerable and there you have it. If the worm hasn't been there Sentry would've killed Thor and likely the Apocalypse Twins as well.

It's like when Wasp says of Sentry "When all this is over we will have a big problem on our hands", and then what happens. After Exitar is killed Sentry is flown off into Space never to be seen again even up until now. Because I guess if he hadn't taken off with Exitar he would have tried to kill the mutants on Earth.

If I recall the events in the comic actually go very quick besides from the Planet X years. If I remember is goes through the events of a week or something throughout the whole arc up to Planet X.

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This is a completely separate thing (and into the tinfoil hat area) - I wondered if Sentry's laconic reaction was due to him knowing the events that were going to occur anyway or as befitting his plan like he said to Thor. But like I say I'm not 100% sure with this random theory.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
If the worm hasn't been there Sentry would've killed Thor and likely the Apocalypse Twins as well.

Haha, no.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Haha, no.

He would have easily killed them. He was about to kill Thor before the great worm. Wasp presents no challenge and the Apocalypse Twins pale in comparison.

Really doesn't matter *why* the worm subdued Deathtry for so long. The fact of the matter is that it *did* subdue him for so long. If this iteration of Sentry was a fan of whimsically using molecule manip. offensively(as some like to incessantly argue), then the worm would have been casually dealt with via atomization... But instead, he struggled with it off-panel for SIX issues before reappearing.

So yeah, Deathtry isn't atomizing Harald. Doesn't seem like that tactic is even in character for him to *try* and do(and that's IF you believe it would even affect Harald in the first place.)

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He would have easily killed them. He was about to kill Thor before the great worm. Wasp presents no challenge and the Apocalypse Twins are piecemeal.

There's no guarantee that the Sentry would do any of those things or was capable of that.

Having Thor on the ground or having beaten on him is not the same as having killed him.

And it seems unlikely that he could just turn on the twins who gave him the death seed and kill them. For all we know they have a way of taking it back, or Uriel could've time-dumped him.

Remender didn't write himself into a corner. He's the one who gave the Sentry those feats you feel justify him being superior to the worm. He didn't have to use the worm to stop the Sentry because the Sentry is exactly as strong as Remender wanted in that arc. He could have come up with any million endings for these fights.

Originally posted by krisblaze
There's no guarantee that the Sentry would do any of those things or was capable of that.

Having Thor on the ground or having beaten on him is not the same as having killed him.

And it seems unlikely that he could just turn on the twins who gave him the death seed and kill them. For all we know they have a way of taking it back, or Uriel could've time-dumped him.

Remender didn't write himself into a corner. He's the one who gave the Sentry those feats you feel justify him being superior to the worm. He didn't have to use the worm to stop the Sentry because the Sentry is exactly as strong as Remender wanted in that arc. He could have come up with any million endings for these fights.

He was about to kill him after Thor was unconcious. He gave him multiple opportunities to "see the error of his ways". But then his resistance became detrimental so he decided to kill him before he was stopped. You can't deny that he trashed Thor twice and easily showed the ability to defeat him. He never wanted to kill him in either fight until the last minute.

Besides from the fact that Sentry was specifically rebelling against them from the beginning, and you can't just mention the time dump and Uriel or Eimin taking the Death Seed away because you make a statement like that and you don't have evidence for either stance.

Where did I say he was superior to the worm? I'm not talking about him being better than anything. I'm just mentioning how I disagree with this idea that Sentry would be somehow unable to escape from the worm.

It just seems pretty silly to me.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He was about to kill him after Thor was unconcious. He gave him multiple opportunities to "see the error of his ways". But then his resistance became detrimental so he decided to kill him before he was stopped. You can't deny that he trashed Thor twice and easily showed the ability to defeat him. He never wanted to kill him in either fight until the last minute.

Thor wasn't unconscious, you can see him reacting when the worm attacks the Sentry. Sentry certainly did beat him, but there's no guarantee that he could kill him right after that. Not when Thor can call upon magnitudes of greater power. Or at the very least escape/BFR Sentry as he's done many times before.

That's a bit besides the point though.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Besides from the fact that Sentry was specifically rebelling against them from the beginning, and you can't just mention the time dump and Uriel or Eimin taking the Death Seed away because you make a statement like that and you don't have evidence for either stance.

Where did I say he was superior to the worm? I'm not talking about him being better than anything. I'm just mentioning how I disagree with this idea that Sentry would be somehow unable to escape from the worm.

It just seems pretty silly to me.

Seems even more silly that Eimin and Uriel would empower the Sentry so far beyond their control or scope of power.

And time dumping is exactly what Uriel did earlier isn't it? Only reason why he didn't use any of that on Thor was because Eimin had tricked him into thinking he would win the fight.

At any rate my point was that act like the Sentry's scope of power is something that was greatly beyond the control of even Remender and that you were done some great injustice in that arc, which was more generous to the Sentry than just about anything else we've ever read. Further you make it seem like he would've been completely unstoppable of Remender hadn't PIS'd him away using the worm.

It's just not the case. There's no reason to assume all these things simply because he was capable of beating Thor.

Originally posted by Galan007
Really doesn't matter *why* the worm subdued Deathtry for so long. The fact of the matter is that it *did* subdue him for so long. If this iteration of Sentry was a fan of whimsically using molecule manip. offensively(as some like to incessantly argue), then the worm would have been casually dealt with via atomization... But instead, he struggled with it off-panel for SIX issues before reappearing.

So yeah, Deathtry isn't atomizing Harald. Doesn't seem like that tactic is even in character for him to *try* and do(IF you believe it would even affect Harald in the first place.)

I think this whole issue is a bit murky because at one point that happens and then they are all transported into Planet X and Kang has Thor with him etc. I don't really think Sentry was stuck for six issues and we couldn't tell either way. I mean when they go back in time it's before the incident occurred. So by that it wouldn't be six issues in my opinion.

No offense, but I think you're digging a bit, tbh.

Either way, if molecule manip. were one of Deathtry's preferred tactics, the 'struggle' between he and the worm wouldn't have lasted for more than a few panels--the worm would have been atomized nigh-instantly... But it wasn't, therefore I really don't think offensive molecule manip. is in character for this particular version of Sentry.

And I'm really not convinced that his molecule manip. would be a surefire tactic anyway. Harald was fortified with some EXTREMELY high-level magics, after all... Magics so powerful that even Strange was awestruck. Dunno. /shrug

It doesn't matter either way, though. Like I said: molecule manip. obviously wasn't in character for Deathtry, from what I could tell.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor wasn't unconscious, you can see him reacting when the worm attacks the Sentry. Sentry certainly did beat him, but there's no guarantee that he could kill him right after that. Not when Thor can call upon magnitudes of greater power. Or at the very least escape/BFR Sentry as he's done many times before.

That's a bit besides the point though.



Seems even more silly that Eimin and Uriel would empower the Sentry so far beyond their control or scope of power.

And time dumping is exactly what Uriel did earlier isn't it? Only reason why he didn't use any of that on Thor was because Eimin had tricked him into thinking he would win the fight.

At any rate my point was that act like the Sentry's scope of power is something that was greatly beyond the control of even Remender and that you were done some great injustice in that arc, which was more generous to the Sentry than just about anything else we've ever read. Further you make it seem like he would've been completely unstoppable of Remender hadn't PIS'd him away using the worm.

It's just not the case. There's no reason to assume all these things simply because he was capable of beating Thor.

I'm talking about this.

http://i.imgur.com/tToyTME.jpg

And he truly was unconscious. He only regained consciousness after the worm slammed into the ground and knocked him a few feet away. If the worm hadn't had existed Thor would have been killed. He can't call upon great magnitudes of power (which he doesn't do in every fight anyway) when he is KO'd because obviously he wouldn't be able to while KO'd.

Uriel and Eimin chose the Horsemen on the basis of their relation to the characters as explained by Wolverine. They are also barely above adult age and are quite silly. How were they suppose to know what they were awakening when they resurrected the Sentry? I doubt they had a marvelwikia or HOTMU to look through. They clearly didn't know what they were letting themselves in Thor since they thought they could control all of the Horsemen.

http://i.imgur.com/oc95CmI.jpg1

I didn't say he couldn't use it. I guess you are referring to the instance when Uriel countered Scarlet Witch when he dispersed her blasts into "artificial millennia". I agree he could try and do it but whether he would be successful is another matter. Sentry is much faster, powerful that I don't think he would get the chance to try it. Like I say I think he could do it. But not sure if he would actually succeed.

Again I'm not saying Sentry's power is beyond Remender, I never said anything like that. But writers can put themselves into corners with how they write a story and have to think of a way to get rid of the character. Which is like I mentioned with the Exitar incident. And I never said completely unstoppable. I said kill Thor and the Apocalypse Twins which is something he could easily do. And I wasn't "assuming" all of these things on one incident.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think you're digging a bit, tbh.

Either way, if molecule manip. were one of Deathtry's preferred tactics, the 'struggle' between he and the worm wouldn't have lasted for more than a few panels--the worm would have been gestured away nigh-instantly... But it wasn't, therefore I really don't think offensive molecule manip. is in character for this particular version of Sentry.

And I'm really not convinced that his molecule manip. would even work in the first place. Harald was fortified with some EXTREMELY high-level magics, after all... Magics so powerful that even Strange was awestruck. Dunno. /shrug

It doesn't matter either way, though. Like I said: molecule manip. obviously wasn't in character for Deathtry.

It's one of them weird things isn't it because he stopped Thor's hammer with either Molecular Manip or Telekinesis but didn't stop the worm. I just myself find the whole scene odd.

Harald was extremely powered by the runes you are right. We saw an example when he tanked Mjolnir like it was nothing which then broke Thor's wrists. Plus like you mentioned about Strange. Someone who has affected beings far above his tier. Jaekellson was crazy powerful.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
It's one of them weird things isn't it because he stopped Thor's hammer with either Molecular Manip or Telekinesis but didn't stop the worm. I just myself find the whole scene odd.

Harald was extremely powered by the runes you are right. We saw an example when he tanked Mjolnir like it was nothing which then broke Thor's wrists. Plus like you mentioned about Strange. Someone who has affected beings far above his tier. Jaekellson was crazy powerful.

For what it's worth: a "simple" rune enchantment transformed Jarnbjorn into a bonafide Celestial-slaying piece of weaponry... And Harald's rune magics were about as advanced as they get.
srug

Originally posted by Galan007


For what it's worth: "simple" rune magic transformed Jarnbjorn into a bonafide Celestial-slaying piece of weaponry... And Harald's rune magics were about as advanced as they get.
srug

It's made me want to see him appear again now. Wonder if he could just fall back to Earth ala Nul.

Originally posted by Galan007


For what it's worth: a "simple" rune enchantment transformed Jarnbjorn into a bonafide Celestial-slaying piece of weaponry... And Harald's rune magics were about as advanced as they get.
srug
The Celestials are running jokes though. Notice no piece of 'rune' magic saved Odin's @$$ from Galactus.

As to the thread, I'm actually of the opinion that Void > Death Sentry. Void would destroy Hararld, Death Sentry stalemates him till doomsday.

Originally posted by Galan007


For what it's worth: a "simple" rune enchantment transformed Jarnbjorn into a bonafide Celestial-slaying piece of weaponry... And Harald's rune magics were about as advanced as they get.
srug

Alsos omething interesting is that the enchantment was only on the basis of that first small bit of blood being spilled onto it. But thanks to that stupid mage getting himself killed the Rune sucked all of the blood in his body out. So Harald and crew got even more super powered by the enchantment.

http://i.imgur.com/8W2luef.jpg

That comic was amusing though, for moments like this.

http://i.imgur.com/BDcy5WF.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
The Celestials are running jokes though. Notice no piece of 'rune' magic saved Odin's @$$ from Galactus.

As to the thread, I'm actually of the opinion that Void > Death Sentry. Void would destroy Hararld, Death Sentry stalemates him till doomsday.

Just wondered what makes you think this? (just interested to see your opinion).

To suggest that Sentry couldnt or wouldnt have been able to kill Thor is crazy. Thor was basically nothing to him. Sentry destroyed him twice in that arc and was about to kill him. How many more times would Sentry have to kick his butt for it to be obvious to everyone? Still shaking my head.

The twins with their education and preparation under Kang didnt know about the Sentry? Come on...

Remender didnt write himself into a corner simply because he had the worm take out Sentry. The Sentry just wasnt that powerful. Any number of things couldve happened if Wasp didnt interfere.

What is certain, however, is that he wouldnt have killed the twins oe Thor. Eimin empowered him because she knew that he would not lr couls not kill her.

Its absurd to assume that Sentry would somehow turn around and kill the PROCOGNITIANT CHARACTER THAT EMPOWERED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I always wondered if Sentry created the sand monsters from molecular manipulation, but some people stated telekinesis. Hard to say.

http://i42.tinypic.com/24obu9s.jpg

TK or MM could be the same thing.

At any rate hes not touching the enchantment.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Alsos omething interesting is that the enchantment was only on the basis of that first small bit of blood being spilled onto it. But thanks to that stupid mage getting himself killed the Rune sucked all of the blood in his body out. So Harald and crew got even more super powered by the enchantment.

Which is why Strange outright stated that it would be suicide for him to even *try* and confront them:

http://i.imgur.com/JNaeq4X.png

Their rune magics >>>>>>> Strange's magics(and Thor's, for that matter.)

For a refresher, here's Harald vs. Thor:
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546935_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_01.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546936_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_02.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546939_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_03.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546940_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_06.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546941_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_07.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546945_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_10.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546947_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_11.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546948_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_13.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/28546949_Thor_-_Vikings_02_-_14.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
For a refresher, here's Harald vs. Thor:



Half the fight was Thor hurting himself attacking!!

Originally posted by krisblaze
The twins with their education and preparation under Kang didnt know about the Sentry? Come on...

Remender didnt write himself into a corner simply because he had the worm take out Sentry. The Sentry just wasnt that powerful. Any number of things couldve happened if Wasp didnt interfere.

What is certain, however, is that he wouldnt have killed the twins oe Thor. Eimin empowered him because she knew that he would not lr couls not kill her.

Its absurd to assume that Sentry would somehow turn around and kill the PROCOGNITIANT CHARACTER THAT EMPOWERED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The twins were fooled by Kang into believing they were rebelling against him. I don't think they realized what they were in for. Kang said as much when he spoke to Eimin. You may recall that they "rebelled" against him.

You seem to be missing the point of what I'm saying. Both occasions where Sentry was about to cause havoc he was written off in someway. And you say,



As if I'm saying "The Sentry was deep sixed by the writer because of the worm. I'm talking about the situations before both incidents. But you seem to keep putting words in my mouth.

You're saying many things but you don't actually have a basis for them. Have you got proof that Eimin knew Sentry wouldn't rebel?

I can read so it's pointless using caps. If you have read Uncanny Avengers you would know that Sentry was actively going against Uriel and Eimin from the start and he already had a plan in place. He most likely wanted Thor alive for that exact reason. Do you think Sentry would be happy when found out Uriel and Eimin were trying to genocide every single human. He was about to kill Thor until the worm appeared.

And you haven't addressed my point on that either where you said he wasn't unconscious when he was. He knew what needed to be done and sooner or later both Twins would have fallen.

Originally posted by Galan007


Which is why Strange outright stated that it would be suicide for him to even *try* and confront them:

http://i.imgur.com/JNaeq4X.png

Their rune magics >>>>>>> Strange's magics(and Thor's, for that matter.)

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Where's the old English speaking bro Thor I grew up on? **** YOU MARVEL??

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
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Where's the old English speaking bro Thor I grew up on? **** YOU MARVEL??

Always preferred Thor this way. I wish he kept the costume as well.

My point is that the Sentry doesn't act autonomously of the writer, and the way you post really implies that he does.

Eimin has precognition and chose to empower the Sentry. You can't just claim that the Sentry would've turned around and killed her. Death Sentry is more powerful than either of the twins, though they're kind of difficult to gauge, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he could just up and kill them. Not when one of them can see the future and despite that chose to empower him.

When you complain about how "Sentry would totally have killed everyone if he wasn't cheapshot by the worm" just reflects so poorly on you. There's no reason to take this stuff for granted and you're just needlessly extrapolating on the Sentry's capabilities and feats.

Death Sentry's feats speak for themselves and don't need further embelleshing.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Always preferred Thor this way. I wish he kept the costume as well.


I said years ago, the softening came when they decided to cover his arms up. Then came the gay beard. Thor used to be drawn as a semi-big man worthy of his 480 pound billing.

some interesting stuff here. maybe the molecular manip wouldn't be enough. kris said sentry wasn't indestructible, and i'm sure he wasn't, but we don't know what it would take to put him down, like i guess we don't know just how much it would take to put harald down. i guess one seems like a brick, the other has more options and not really knowing the extent of either, i'd just fall on sentry's side. i agree with galan, it likely wouldn't be in character based on appearances, but (1) deathry had few appearances, (2) bringing it up allowed for some conversation in the thread. and iirc strange was very much afraid of sentry at one point as well, no?

re: the thread: frankly, i dunno. that exitar scene was pretty impressive though. not sure who would be stronger between these guys but i think i'd go with sentry. as for the worm--i sort of side with scot there. it was a bit....ridiculous to me. i was also under the impression sentry was capable of teleporting himself, so i never understood why he didn't just port free...

not sure the thread can be resolved tbh.

Originally posted by krisblaze
You can't just claim that the Sentry would've turned around and killed her. Death Sentry is more powerful than either of the twins, though they're kind of difficult to gauge, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he could just up and kill them. Not when one of them can see the future and despite that chose to empower him.

What is this wishy-washy talk about the Sentry?

1. If the Sentry felt like killing the Apocalypse Twins he would have done so, and there is nothing they would have been able to do to stop him. He was that much more powerful than them.
Their precognition powers should have kicked in much sooner, when they picked him as one of the Horsemen of Death and ordered him to kill Thor. He went after Thor, but didn't kill him, because he needed Thor alive for his own personal agenda. That's all the proof you need, that Sentry was acting against the will of the Apocalypse Twins.

Even more proof is the preview for the old Uncanny Avengers #13 preview, where it was stated, that Sentry was going to kill an Uncanny Avengers against the will of his masters. That story got changed in the end, but it doesn't change the fact, that originally he would have done something they didn't agree with, but were helpless to stop him.

On other topics:

2. The worm actually taking out the Sentry is a prime example of PIS, which ignores all the prior showings of the character.
Sentry moves in microseconds and has used his speed to catch bullets at point range and mid flight. Even in Rick Remenders books he was able to travel across the city in a matter of seconds, and even travel hundreds of miles before Wolverine was able to say a word.

Against the worm the Sentry turned around and said "Oh", which for that character is enough time to be on the other side of the planet, if he feels like it. Especially considering that he can teleport (under stress). And one would assume that being in the stomach of a slimy worm would cause some stress.

3. Sentry struggling to get out of the worm at all is on the same level of Remender stupid as Thor getting hurt by Captain America's son.

Thor the guy, who survived the velocity of being flown through space at Spaceballs levels of speed, by the Sentry. The guy, who survived a punch, that was felt across a planet with 19 billion residents, by the Sentry... screams in pain, when Captain America's son kicks him in the head? Come on.

I love me some Remender, but every now and then he did something simply weird. And the worm instance was such an instance and shouldn't be taken seriously. Just like Thor being hurt by an enhanced human shouldn't be taken seriously.

4. Everything Sentry did was him using his molecule manipulation. That's literally the only power that character has and everything else is just the icying on the cake, which is made out of molecule manipulation.

The stuff you actually want to discuss is the question if Death Seed Sentry would have used his molecule manipulation to disperse the molecules of an opponent. And the answer to that is... Yes, he would have used that, if he had to. And here are some scans:

The way Sentry uses his offensive molecule manipulation is by hitting you with a infitendril of darkness and then dispersing your molecules. He did it to a weapon:

http://i.imgur.com/UJrneOY.jpg

And he did it to Loki:

http://i.imgur.com/ypF0lT6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/W0pQZVg.jpg

And in Uncanny Avengers as Death Seed Sentry, he went for the kill against Thor. He was done trying to reason with him, knocked him out and then materialized the infitendrils to finish him off:

http://i.imgur.com/gjax3Aj.jpg

It's just that he got BFR'ed, before he was able to kill Thor.

And on topic: No idea. I've never read the story with that zombie viking, so I don't know how the fight would go.

A bothersome trend I'm starting to see with Sentry is that pretty much any of his less-than-peak showings seem to get swiftly hand-waved away by some. No other character is permitted the same treatment, so I'm not sure why Sentry is a special case..?

That said, I agree the worm thing is stupid. However, it still happened, and absolutely MUST be considered--especially given the few appearances this iteration of Sentry has. And based on that(along with his other showings), offensive molecule manip./atomization is just not in character for Deathtry. Even if it were, I'm still unconvinced that he could override Harald's magical enchantment/fortification--Sentry has never come across magics nearly that potent, afaik. /shrug

As for who's stronger: I'm still unsure. At first glance, I would argue that Harald brutalized Thor easier(and much moreso) than Deathtry--but it was also under the MAX imprint, so it's bound to be more gruesome/violent than we seen in mainstream books. Catch-22, I guess...

Sentry's biggest advantage -the only one I see potentially helping him here- is flight/speed... But what would happen if he tried to bumrush, and/or spam-blast Harald is anyone's guess. Seems logical that he'd experience massive backlash(akin to when Thor attacked Harald), but again, it's impossible to know for sure.


Point being: contrary to the first few posts in this thread, whoever wins certainly does not do so 'effortlessly'. That's just absurd.

Originally posted by Galan007
A bothersome trend I'm starting to see with Sentry is that pretty much any of his less-than-peak showings seem to get swiftly hand-waved away by some. No other character is permitted the same treatment, so I'm not sure why Sentry is a special case..?

That said, I agree the worm thing is stupid. However, it still happened, and absolutely MUST be considered--especially given the few appearances this iteration of Sentry has. And based on that(along with his other showings), offensive molecule manip./atomization is just not in character for Deathtry. Even if it were, I'm still unconvinced that he could override Harald's magical enchantment/fortification--Sentry has never come across magics nearly that potent, afaik. /shrug

As for who's stronger: I'm still unsure. I would argue that Harald brutalized Thor easier(and much moreso) than Deathtry--but it was also under the MAX imprint, so it's bound to be more gruesome/violent than we seen in mainstream books.

Sentry's biggest advantage -the only one I see potentially helping him here- is flight/speed... But what would happen if he tried to bumrush Harald is anyone's guess. Seems logical that he'd experience massive backlash(akin to when Thor attacked Harald), but again, it's impossible to know for sure.


Point being: contrary to the first few posts in this thread, whoever wins certainly does not do so 'effortlessly'. That's just absurd. Glad Realitydurper was axed

Originally posted by krisblaze
My point is that the Sentry doesn't act autonomously of the writer, and the way you post really implies that he does.

Eimin has precognition and chose to empower the Sentry. You can't just claim that the Sentry would've turned around and killed her. Death Sentry is more powerful than either of the twins, though they're kind of difficult to gauge, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he could just up and kill them. Not when one of them can see the future and despite that chose to empower him.

When you complain about how "Sentry would totally have killed everyone if he wasn't cheapshot by the worm" just reflects so poorly on you. There's no reason to take this stuff for granted and you're just needlessly extrapolating on the Sentry's capabilities and feats.

Death Sentry's feats speak for themselves and don't need further embelleshing.

My phrasing probably is a bit off here. I was talking in terms of what would have happened storywise but the discussion ended up tapering into a vs thing. Though I do think if given the chance he probably would've been able to kill Thor then the twins.

One thing I have to say here is that Eimin's ability to predict the future can be twisted (though this isn't that relevant). She probably saw a future where the Sentry completely followed her orders. But here is where me and you diverge.

The part where it says "Sentry has completed his masters charge - in part". As they wanted Thor killed but he only subdued him.

Plus if you also recall this point.

"But the new voice in Robert Reynolds fractured mind urged him to keep the thunder god alive.

For while the current conflict holds the fate of his Master's goals.

It is not the ultimate goal of the Sentry"

If Eimin was so clever do you think that she would give a Death Seed - which makes them want to aid the evolution of their species (that they see as superior) to a human. Who will now try and kill the people (mutants) she wants to protect? They clearly didn't think it all through.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Glad Realitydurper was axed

He seemed to try and ruin the Sentry's reputation and stuff and wouldn't listen to anyone else. But he'll be back I'm sure.

Originally posted by Galan007


Which is why Strange outright stated that it would be suicide for him to even *try* and confront them:

http://i.imgur.com/JNaeq4X.png
Which is obvious bullsh|t seeing as how Strange has taken on actual abstracts and demon lords (In-betweener, Shuma Gorath, Dormammu, etc...).


Then why couldn't he lift Mjolnir? He had to tie it to Thor's hand and he dragged both of them to the water.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He seemed to try and ruin the Sentry's reputation and stuff and wouldn't listen to anyone else. But he'll be back I'm sure. I don't think that is his goal but he certainly isnt doing poor Robert any favors

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Just wondered what makes you think this? (just interested to see your opinion).
Too much to go into here without seriously derailing the thread. Gonna make a Death Sentry vs Void thread soon and go into detail there.

Originally posted by zopzop
Too much to go into here without seriously derailing the thread. Gonna make a Death Sentry vs Void thread soon and go into detail there.

Okay sweet.

Originally posted by Galan007
A bothersome trend I'm starting to see with Sentry is that pretty much any of his less-than-peak showings seem to get swiftly hand-waved away by some. No other character is permitted the same treatment, so I'm not sure why Sentry is a special case..?


He is not. And no other character is.

But at the same time, just like for every other character, low showings need to be justifiable. And if they aren't, then they most likely just happened for the sake of plot progression:

Sentry getting taken out by a sturdy worm.
Thor getting kicked aside and hurt by Captain America's son.
Silver Surfer getting knocked out by a guy with a crow bar.
Flash getting stabbed by Deathstroke.
Gas station explosions affecting high heralds.

Gas based explosions are trans level threats

Originally posted by zopzop
Which is obvious bullsh|t seeing as how Strange has taken on actual abstracts and demon lords (In-betweener, Shuma Gorath, Dormammu, etc...). I'm sorry you don't like the on panel facts, zop. Feel free to send Mr. Ennis a letter about it.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm sorry you don't like the on panel facts, zop. Feel free to send Mr. Ennis a letter about it.
Statements mean nothing when contradicted by other evidence. If you really believe Harald Jaekelsson was a greater threat than the In-betweener, Shuma Gorath, or Dormammu you're beyond help.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
My phrasing probably is a bit off here. I was talking in terms of what would have happened storywise but the discussion ended up tapering into a vs thing. Though I do think if given the chance he probably would've been able to kill Thor then the twins.

One thing I have to say here is that Eimin's ability to predict the future can be twisted (though this isn't that relevant). She probably saw a future where the Sentry completely followed her orders. But here is where me and you diverge.

The part where it says "Sentry has completed his masters charge - in part". As they wanted Thor killed but he only subdued him.

Plus if you also recall this point.

"But the new voice in Robert Reynolds fractured mind urged him to keep the thunder god alive.

For while the current conflict holds the fate of his Master's goals.

It is not the ultimate goal of the Sentry"

If Eimin was so clever do you think that she would give a Death Seed - which makes them want to aid the evolution of their species (that they see as superior) to a human. Who will now try and kill the people (mutants) she wants to protect? They clearly didn't think it all through.

There's no reason to assume that the new voice in Sentry's head was something that she could not predict, nor did it matter whether or not Sentry killed Thor because Eimin wasn't prevented by him. There's nothing that went amiss other than Kang's eventual ascension.

Sentry wanting to kill mutants is irrelevant because he hasn't killed a single one lol. Nothing he did impeded her or her plans in any way. At least to my recollection...

At any rate, this is, like I said, a pointless embellishment of Sentry's feats. He did not kill the Apoc twins.

As for this fight it's either a stalemate or the Sentry dies. Harald's enchantment has lasted for thousands of years and it's such that he is completely unaffected by Thor's mightier blows. The Sentry, while healing, was certainly harmed by them.

I think it's more likely that the Sentry would just go suicide than find a way around Harald's enchantment.

Originally posted by krisblaze
There's no reason to assume that the new voice in Sentry's head was something that she could not predict, nor did it matter whether or not Sentry killed Thor because Eimin wasn't prevented by him. There's nothing that went amiss other than Kang's eventual ascension.

Sentry wanting to kill mutants is irrelevant because he hasn't killed a single one lol. Nothing he did impeded her or her plans in any way. At least to my recollection...

At any rate, this is, like I said, a pointless embellishment of Sentry's feats. He did not kill the Apoc twins.

As for this fight it's either a stalemate or the Sentry dies. Harald's enchantment has lasted for thousands of years and it's such that he is completely unaffected by Thor's mightier blows. The Sentry, while healing, was certainly harmed by them.

I think it's more likely that the Sentry would just go suicide than find a way around Harald's enchantment.

You say that by where is there a reason to assume she would know a human would try and kill her own species. Plus as you probably know Sentry had a plan in place so he wouldn't kill any mutants until he needed to. Nothing he did impeded her plans because of the worm. But like I also said (though I think I'm wrong here but it's just random) that Sentry's plan went as far as this. Why would Sentry not having killed a mutant yet be relevant? Your point was that Sentry wouldn't attack Eimin because she had everything thought out properly. Why would she do that for someone that would kill mutants given the chance and if they knew he would eventually rebel against them?

http://i.imgur.com/mTqGdZs.jpg1

I don't think Sentry would go along with the idea to guide them to the mutant home world. Also note "selected each for a different purpose" - was Sentry's purpose to rebel against them form the beginning. I think it was to kill Thor etc.

http://i.imgur.com/sT6N3ty.jpg

And I think here that perhaps he wanted Planet X to happen so that all the mutants were in one place so he could kill them all. But when they went back in time it so happened that all the Horsemen were distracted and thereby Uriel and Eimin couldn't follow through with what happened properly. And much like Thor refusing to serve Sentry when the mutants weren't transported to Earth because of what happened the next thing to do would have been killing them on Earth. That's at least what I make of his plan.

You dismiss what I say here but it's arguing against your idea that Eimin made no wrong choices because of her ability of precognition. Do you genuinely believe that Eimin would give someone who is a human the Death Seed if she actually knew what he would do. Why would she do that?

I know he didn't kill the Twins, again that was my point. I was theorizing what he would do if the worm hadn't attacked.

Also how would Sentry even die? He's never once been killed at all and nothing proves that Harald could be the first to replicate that. And even if we choose to believe Sentry's durability is poor. He heals near instantly anyway so it's a moot point. And like you said he can fly etc plus he's incredibly fast.

We do not assume limitless regeneration simply because a character can reconstitute themselves.

That said Harald doesn't have any way of permanently killing the Sentry.

Hence why I said that it's not likely to end unless the Sentry suicides.

Originally posted by krisblaze
We do not assume limitless regeneration simply because a character can reconstitute themselves.

That said Harald doesn't have any way of permanently killing the Sentry.

Hence why I said that it's not likely to end unless the Sentry suicides.

Did I say Sentry could endlessly regenerate? I didn't but has anyone shown a way to stop him besides from either him wanting himself to die (and he was actually still alive as a soul in the Sun) or molecular manipulation from people like Molecule Man. And even then he returns straight away. So far he's shown to come back from every injury even when it comes to molecular manip. Although that takes longer.

Sentry if he gets a limb knocked off will near instantly regenerate it. If his brains get smashed in then he'll instantly regenerate it. You can't exactly say it isn't possible because we know it is.

Just to ask what do you mean by a Sentry suicide?

Originally posted by zopzop
Statements mean nothing when contradicted by other evidence. If you really believe Harald Jaekelsson was a greater threat than the In-betweener, Shuma Gorath, or Dormammu you're beyond help. Statements mean quite a bit when they come straight from Strange himself.

And Strange is not more powerful than those you listed on average, without some SERIOUS prep, and/or PIS. So I'm not sure why you're even mentioning them..?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Did I say Sentry could endlessly regenerate? I didn't but has anyone shown a way to stop him besides from either him wanting himself to die (and he was actually still alive as a soul in the Sun) or molecular manipulation from people like Molecule Man. And even then he returns straight away. So far he's shown to come back from every injury even when it comes to molecular manip. Although that takes longer.

Sentry if he gets a limb knocked off will near instantly regenerate it. If his brains get smashed in then he'll instantly regenerate it. You can't exactly say it isn't possible because we know it is.

Just to ask what do you mean by a Sentry suicide?

I mean if Sentry willingly surrenders/gets bored.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I mean if Sentry willingly surrenders/gets bored.

Ah right I see. Would be quite amusing to see that in a comic. They're both fighting and then one of them just stops and says "**** this". Then just walks/flies off.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ah right I see. Would be quite amusing to see that in a comic. They're both fighting and then one of them just stops and says "**** this". Then just walks/flies off.

Harald doesn't have much going for him beyond the enchantment though.

I just don't see the Sentry doing something "clever". I think it's more likely that he'll try to power through the enchantment and either burn himself out or win.

Originally posted by Galan007
Statements mean quite a bit when they come straight from Strange himself.
Want me post scans of Strange's statements that were later proven to be hyperbole? How about the famous "No one, not even Dormammu at the height of his power has ever made me feel so helpless" in regards to Satannish? Then it was revealed that Satannish is nothing more than Dormammu's creation and pawn. Whoopsie!
http://s31.postimg.org/jnta9cm07/4536444_953364_1239073137827.jpg
That's just one example. There's more. Statements mean nothing.


His magics are more than up to the task when push comes to shove. He's also overcome the worthiness enchantment and took the hammer straight from Thor's hand :
http://s31.postimg.org/8gkg18kmf/DSST12303.jpg
Something Harald and his "far superior" rune magic failed to do.

Originally posted by Galan007


Which is why Strange outright stated that it would be suicide for him to even *try* and confront them:

http://i.imgur.com/JNaeq4X.png

Their rune magics >>>>>>> Strange's magics(and Thor's, for that matter.)


That's some Abby-esque shit you are offering, Galan. Different writer, different story and words only. You can't draw any hard conclusions given this weak intel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Want me post scans of Strange's statements that were later proven to be hyperbole? Unless those scans prove THIS particular scene false, then they are entirely irrelevant red herrings. Strange explicitly gauged the rune magics he was up against with Harald(and co.), and knew that it would be suicide for him to try and face them w/o prep. Simple.

A PREPPED Strange vs. Harald(and co.) is obviously an entirely different story, but that was never in question.

Originally posted by zopzop
His magics are more than up to the task when push comes to shove. His magics are NOT on par with Shuma Gorath(to name one) without some SERIOUS prep/PIS, like you originally tried saying.

Don't try and red herring your way out of this. Your initial claims were false.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's some Abby-esque shit you are offering, Galan. Different writer, different story and words only. You can't draw any hard conclusions given this weak intel. Um, Strange later told us WHY the rune magics were that powerful... And that power was PROVEN by Harald's feats. Again: Strange explicitly gauged the rune magics he was up against with Harald(and co.), and knew that it would be suicide for him to try and face them w/o prep. Simple.

A PREPPED Strange vs. Harald(and co.) is obviously an entirely different story, but that was never in question.


...But continue the unwarranted bashing. It's always fun.

^^^Well blues the same guy that already said sentry wins "no contest" so of course he's going to hate your opinions



Originally posted by Galan007
A bothersome trend I'm starting to see with Sentry is that pretty much any of his less-than-peak showings seem to get swiftly hand-waved away by some. No other character is permitted the same treatment, so I'm not sure why Sentry is a special case..?

That said, I agree the worm thing is stupid. However, it still happened, and absolutely MUST be considered--especially given the few appearances this iteration of Sentry has. And based on that(along with his other showings), offensive molecule manip./atomization is just not in character for Deathtry. Even if it were, I'm still unconvinced that he could override Harald's magical enchantment/fortification--Sentry has never come across magics nearly that potent, afaik. /shrug

As for who's stronger: I'm still unsure. At first glance, I would argue that Harald brutalized Thor easier(and much moreso) than Deathtry--but it was also under the MAX imprint, so it's bound to be more gruesome/violent than we seen in mainstream books. Catch-22, I guess...

Sentry's biggest advantage -the only one I see potentially helping him here- is flight/speed... But what would happen if he tried to bumrush, and/or spam-blast Harald is anyone's guess. Seems logical that he'd experience massive backlash(akin to when Thor attacked Harald), but again, it's impossible to know for sure.


Point being: contrary to the first few posts in this thread, whoever wins certainly does not do so 'effortlessly'. That's just absurd. I agree. this seems totally reasonable.

So whos sock is this^

Dunno. He seems to follow me around a lot, so I guess I have to take responsibility for him..? ermm

Srsly, though: it's always annoying when the socks/trolls don't even bother to contribute anything of substance. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno. He seems to follow me around a lot, so I guess I have to take responsibility for him..? ermm

Srsly, though: it's always annoying when the socks/trolls don't even bother to contribute anything of substance. srsly You just want a free BJ

Originally posted by iceman24567
You just want a free BJ You offering? ermmhappy

Originally posted by Galan007
You offering? ermmhappy Sorry my services arent free this is a business bro

Originally posted by iceman24567
Sorry my services arent free this is a business bro https://350f2h3jkir93bsly2c4imnks5-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/touche.gif

Originally posted by RealityWarper
1) He erased his memories too many times to remembers what his powers are.

2) The topic of the characters is a guy with a drug addiction problem becoming a God.

I invite you to read the comic book "A God somewhere" which is on the same topic.

Jenkins is an excellent writer and you should try to understand his work instead of ranting.

These ARE all valid points.

Stalemate imo

I agree a prepped strange is a different animal altogether. He went against the IG and did admirably for a very short time. I say, obviously, that Strange doesn't think Harald was more powerful than the IG. Yet Strange was willing to go against the IG (with prep of course). But I think Strange was hinting that Harald was beyond him even with prep. So different writer's different opinions of a character might be the case here.

I don't think Harald is on the level of Thanos with the IG. And I believe that Strange under that writer would have had him go up against Harald with the same mocksy as he did against the IG.