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Wolverine can't use his claws.

Wolverine still wins. Even without his claws, he's still an expert martial artist with an enhanced physicality, animal keen senses, unbreakable bones, and a healing factor. Cap makes him work for it, but Logan eventually wins.

Logan gives Steve a hematoma again... Cap whispers "Hail Hydra" before he bleeds out.

without claws? cap kicks his a$$. with claws this is nearly even.

Originally posted by leonidas
without claws? cap kicks his a$$. with claws this is nearly even. except for how cap has no way to put logan down.

Beating on him? Far stronger have failed at that.

Decapitation? Unbreakable spine.

Break his bones? Unbreakable bones.

Originally posted by leonidas
without claws? cap kicks his a$$.

Like he did in Origins...? Against weakened Logan, to boot?

Originally posted by leonidas
with claws this is nearly even.



Logan is basically Cap, but with a battlefield-effective regen, super-senses, more exp and unbreakable skeletal structure.

Wolverine wins. Attack with the shield is the best(maybe only?) chance to Cap KO Logan(and is unlikely imo). Without idk how he can win.

Originally posted by deathslash
except for how cap has no way to put logan down.

Beating on him? Far stronger have failed at that.

Decapitation? Unbreakable spine.

Break his bones? Unbreakable bones.

of course he has a way to put him down. he doesn't have to kill him or anything else. he needs to ko him long enough for a forum win. i'll not bother to post the hundreds of times logan has been ko'd or the heavy hitters cap has taken down. if you don't think cap can ko him with his shield, well, this is why bi stay away from logan threads in general. besides, there is a thread for this already with thousands of posts arguing with and without claws. i'll agree to disagree, vehemently, with you and stilt on this one just so's it doesn't turn into a thread with all the same scans we've seen a million times.

Originally posted by leonidas
he needs to ko him long enough for a forum win.

Which he simply cannot do under his own power.

Even with Giant Man's help and dropping him from the plane, Logan was still conscious and immediately got up...

I see you're not going to change your mind, but... haven't you read their fights?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which he simply cannot do under his own power.

Even with Giant Man's help and dropping him from the plane, Logan was still conscious and immediately got up...

I see you're not going to change your mind, but... haven't you read their fights?
Cap koed him in EOTS.



Here comes the excuses.

No claws, I see Steve hanging for a while, skills and shield are brutal. In the end though Logan will g+p the shit out of Steve.
Good fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap koed him in EOTS.



Here comes the excuses.

"Never been such a mess" - panel right before Cap's shield bash.

this is what i mean. there are several fights and all are pretty close. cap beat the hell out logan without his claws already, but his heart somehow wasn't in it. in the quinjet fight i'd say cap wasn't going for a kill, his heart wasn't really in it and he'd hurt logan pretty badly with just one shield strike. a couple would def put logan down. we've already seen that it can.

but like i said, i'm not going back and forth on this. the arguments have pretty much all been used up and the fights dissected as well as they can be. the differences of opinion are what make cap/logan one of the great vs threads. depending on your definition of great of course....

in enemy of the state cap knocked him out with a shield strike to the back of the head. now sure wolverine wasnt at his best because he was exhausted. as for his statement that he has never been in such a mess... come on... thats pure hyperbole. anyway, i think if captain america manages to bash wolverine in the pressure points with the shield, nerve strikes and hit him in the back of his head and throat or his jaw with full power, he can ko wolverine. remember their fight when captain america used pressure points on wolverines wrists and actually hurt him and made damage? that was with his fingers. utilizing his shield with his strength and anatomy knowledge, i think there shouldnt be much problem for cap to ko wolverine. with that being said, if cap doesnt have his shield and its only h2h, wolverine takes the majority and i dont believe cap would be able to knock him out without the shield.

Originally posted by leonidas
but his heart somehow wasn't in it

Can you blame him? He was serving f*cking Zemo. That's why he spared Bucky, actually.

Logan is not a nazi like Steve...

Originally posted by Dareangel
as for his statement that he has never been in such a mess... come on... thats pure hyperbole.

Yes, but the point is, he was significantly injured and had his hf taxed.

He took a blast from Rachel Phoenix and Cyclops...

You were the one arguing he could heal from the xeno acid x1000 --- so don't give me crap about Steve being able to KO him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Never been such a mess" - panel right before Cap's shield bash.
Except the time he was incinerated to the bone.

Or dropped in lava.

Right, like I said anytime he is koed excuses come out. Otherwise it's just untaxable HF that can counter everything.

Nobody said you should take that statement literally. When a lv1 player finishes a group boss in a mmorpg game, you can't really say he would be capable of solo'ing him...

Cap doesn't have any help in this thread.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nobody said you should take that statement literally. When a lv1 player finishes a group boss in a mmorpg game, you can't really say he would be capable of solo'ing him...

Cap doesn't have any help in this thread.
You said he can't ko him. Obviously he did.

I've been informed that Wolverine instantly heals from anything that doesn't koes him because it liquifes his internal organs and they instantly heal up. So nothing Rachel or Cyclops did mattered to his health.

Sponsored by Srank and Ize.

I said he can't ko him under his own power. Which he didn't.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I said he can't ko him under his own power. Which he didn't.
Shield is not his own power?

Wolverine healed from Rachel and Cyclops attacks so they didn't matter as I've been told.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've been informed that Wolverine instantly heals from anything that doesn't koes him because it liquifes his internal organs and they instantly heal up. So nothing Rachel or Cyclops did mattered to his health.

Again, his HF doesn't run on infinite energy. And he was clearly shown as far from anywhere close to fully recovered, still healing before Cap struck him.

Keep on trolling, just remember... Superman is neither super nor a man

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Again, his HF doesn't run on infinite energy. And he was clearly shown as far from anywhere close to fully recovered, still healing before Cap struck him.

Keep on trolling, just remember... Superman is neither super nor a man
But that's not what I've been told. Ask Srank.

Cap koed Wolverine. Just like Daredevil.

Srank left you in 2013; you need to find yourself a new bf, man.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Srank left you in 2013; you need to find yourself a new bf, man.
Wolverine doesn't even has his own comic BTW.

Srank was the true Wolverine fan. You're just carver's copy.

And you're nothing more than LoB's humping toy...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, but the point is, he was significantly injured and had his hf taxed.

He took a blast from Rachel Phoenix and Cyclops...

You were the one arguing he could heal from the xeno acid x1000 --- so don't give me crap about Steve being able to KO him.

i never argued he wasnt hurt. just said the statement is hyperbole.

as for the acid, there is a difference between something like acid and fire which his healing factor can handle, and an imidiate nerve strike to the back of the head that shuts down the system. different forces of damage.

So you were just being Captain Obvious. Okay.

Logan's HF allowed him to no-sell nerve strikes from Echo, who was mimicking Daredevil's and Bullseye's moves...

Logan's claws are definitely an advantage, but they aren't the determining factor most of the time. His healing factor has always been the biggest problem for his opponents. It's the reason he'll beat most other street MA's, even if certain ones put up a good fight.

In a city, Cap could go for some environmental shenanigans. Wolverine's enhanced senses would make most of that useless though. Wolverine should win the majority, although the fight might take awhile.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you were just being Captain Obvious. Okay.

Logan's HF allowed him to no-sell nerve strikes from Echo, who was mimicking Daredevil's and Bullseye's moves... Nerve strikes that work are straight up PIS.
I loved Srank. Abhi's being silly again, may Cate Blanchets Hela bless him.

Rulk punching the face off of Logan, and Logan surviving, is absolutely normal. Nothing special about that feat at all.

Haters aren't going to like this, but that's very bloody close to Logans average. There are issues where his average isn't going to help the story, and that's fine.

That's why Logan has an average.

Captain America will always give Wolverine a great fight. The two are about the same strength, about the same speed, close to the same skill, with Wolverine having the edge in all three. Add to that, Cap's shield is a great counter to Wolverine's claws, and it's a very entertaining match. Of course, in this match, Wolverine doesn't have his claws, so I only see him winning... 10/10.

CA gives him a great fight every time, but Wolverine isn't a punching bag here, Cap won't ever be able to amass enough damage to tax his healing factor before Wolverine puts him down, claws or no claws.

Cap wins, those saying otherwise are communists...

And you know it's true because abhi and I agree lol

Yeah, Cap wins

Originally posted by Ize19
Captain America will always give Wolverine a great fight. The two are about the same strength, about the same speed, close to the same skill, with Wolverine having the edge in all three. Add to that, Cap's shield is a great counter to Wolverine's claws, and it's a very entertaining match. Of course, in this match, Wolverine doesn't have his claws, so I only see him winning... 10/10.

CA gives him a great fight every time, but Wolverine isn't a punching bag here, Cap won't ever be able to amass enough damage to tax his healing factor before Wolverine puts him down, claws or no claws.
Pretty much. I think the "doing well" part is what throws people. They're physical equals, so they're going to trade blows. In a normal scenario, removing a weapon from 1 of 2 equal opponents should tilt the fight in their opponent's favor. Problem here is, Wolverine's "health bar" regenerates during the fight. Cap's doesn't. For the duration of Cap's health bar, he will put up a good fight. But he's getting hit back, and ultimately loses the war of attrition.

Removing the claws would make it take much longer though. It would be a brutal fight.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you were just being Captain Obvious. Okay.

Logan's HF allowed him to no-sell nerve strikes from Echo, who was mimicking Daredevil's and Bullseye's moves...

there are nerve strikes, and then there is a shield bash to lethal spots from captain america that is able to tear thru metal with those strikes. as i pointed out earlier, without his shield cap demonstrated in a fight that he can damage wolverine when he used pressure points on his wrists and hurt wolverine with that move. this was just with his hands no vibranium shield. a shield strike to the throat, followed by a shield strike with the sharp edge of the shield to the tample followed by the back of the head IMO can KO wolverine and overload his nerve system for a clean ko. and please save me the random scans of hulk punching wolverine or him surviving a nuke with a smile...

Originally posted by Dareangel
there are nerve strikes, and then there is a shield bash to lethal spots from captain america that is able to tear thru metal with those strikes. as i pointed out earlier, without his shield cap demonstrated in a fight that he can damage wolverine when he used pressure points on his wrists and hurt wolverine with that move. this was just with his hands no vibranium shield. a shield strike to the throat, followed by a shield strike with the sharp edge of the shield to the tample followed by the back of the head IMO can KO wolverine and overload his nerve system for a clean ko. and please save me the random scans of hulk punching wolverine or him surviving a nuke with a smile... Wolverines very first apearance had Wendigo, AND Hulk.
So lets not rule out random Hulk feats because it's 'just your Woverine'.
Haven't noticed yet Logans healing factor HAS to be lowballed from his average, because it's Captain America?
This is the vs forum, no lowballing is needed

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And you're nothing more than LoB's humping toy...
You are still worshipping carver. Originally posted by Ize19
Captain America will always give Wolverine a great fight. The two are about the same strength, about the same speed, close to the same skill, with Wolverine having the edge in all three. Add to that, Cap's shield is a great counter to Wolverine's claws, and it's a very entertaining match. Of course, in this match, Wolverine doesn't have his claws, so I only see him winning... 10/10.

CA gives him a great fight every time, but Wolverine isn't a punching bag here, Cap won't ever be able to amass enough damage to tax his healing factor before Wolverine puts him down, claws or no claws.


Just as I said. Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap wins, those saying otherwise are communists...

And you know it's true because abhi and I agree lol


Finally we agree on something.

Originally posted by emu
Wolverines very first apearance had Wendigo, AND Hulk.
So lets not rule out random Hulk feats because it's 'just your Woverine'.
Haven't noticed yet Logans healing factor HAS to be lowballed from his average, because it's Captain America?
This is the vs forum, no lowballing is needed

i see you are one of those that believe just because when he is facing hulk he can hang(like basically most characters that fight him and are not suppose to) it suddenly makes wolverine imune to any damage that is < hulks punch. that contradicts the complete majority of his showings and history. i can also bring mister X knocking him out with just beating. but we dont focus on the merges but the average and usual. also, there is a difference between getting a blunt force punch from a fist covering your entire body, and getting a percise nerve strike with the endge of a vibranium shield used by captain america (you know his strength and all)

Originally posted by Dareangel
i see you are one of those that believe just because when he is facing hulk he can hang(like basically most characters that fight him and are not suppose to) it suddenly makes wolverine imune to any damage that is < hulks punch. that contradicts the complete majority of his showings and history. i can also bring mister X knocking him out with just beating. but we dont focus on the merges but the average and usual. also, there is a difference between getting a blunt force punch from a fist covering your entire body, and getting a percise nerve strike with the endge of a vibranium shield used by captain america (you know his strength and all)

Unless Captain America has a small army shooting, slicing, and burning Wolverine up before hand, as well as a gang of assassins, one possessed by Ogun, wearing him down further beforehand, he won't find Mr X's example very profitable to imitate. And Wolverine can land adamantium backed nerve strikes too, bet Cap won't handle them as well as Logan will. And lol at Wolverine not supposed to be able to fight Hulk, aka the character he was created to go up against. Wolverine's usual durability>>>>>>>>Cap's usual durability, and a shield that he can be separated from won't change that.

Originally posted by Dareangel
i see you are one of those that believe just because when he is facing hulk he can hang(like basically most characters that fight him and are not suppose to) it suddenly makes wolverine imune to any damage that is < hulks punch. that contradicts the complete majority of his showings and history. i can also bring mister X knocking him out with just beating. but we dont focus on the merges but the average and usual. also, there is a difference between getting a blunt force punch from a fist covering your entire body, and getting a percise nerve strike with the endge of a vibranium shield used by captain america (you know his strength and all) I didn't mention Wolverine being immune to damage, I mentioned Logans healing tanking Hulks punches as his norm.

If you dont want to use just about every brick feat he has, use his countless feats healing injuries that dwarf anything a street leveller can deal.

A car slamming into you won't f*ck you up, but god help a finger poke on a bunch of muscles hiding a bunch of nerves lol.

Originally posted by Ize19
Unless Captain America has a small army shooting, slicing, and burning Wolverine up before hand, as well as a gang of assassins, one possessed by Ogun, wearing him down further beforehand, he won't find Mr X's example very profitable to imitate. And Wolverine can land adamantium backed nerve strikes too, bet Cap won't handle them as well as Logan will. And lol at Wolverine not supposed to be able to fight Hulk, aka the character he was created to go up against. Wolverine's usual durability>>>>>>>>Cap's usual durability, and a shield that he can be separated from won't change that.
Im confused, can we use Hulk feats or not?

Have we got Dareangels ok yet?

Originally posted by Ize19
Unless Captain America has a small army shooting, slicing, and burning Wolverine up before hand, as well as a gang of assassins, one possessed by Ogun, wearing him down further beforehand, he won't find Mr X's example very profitable to imitate. And Wolverine can land adamantium backed nerve strikes too, bet Cap won't handle them as well as Logan will. And lol at Wolverine not supposed to be able to fight Hulk, aka the character he was created to go up against. Wolverine's usual durability>>>>>>>>Cap's usual durability, and a shield that he can be separated from won't change that.

come on. you are basically suggesting wolverine doesnt have a healing factor here. you are bringing events that happened several issues before to claim he was hurt while fighting mister X? wtf? while you at it why wont you bring his first fight vs hulk to claim he is still injured from that fight. nice going ignore the fact wolverine actually has a healing factor you know... same healing factor you are trying to claim will prevent him from getting knocked out by CAP

never claimed wolverine cant KO wolverine. my claim is Cap with his shield will do it more often to wolverine than the other way around.

yeah because taking away the shield from Cap is so easy right? a childs play. dont grasp on straws

Originally posted by emu
I didn't mention Wolverine being immune to damage, I mentioned Logans healing tanking Hulks punches as his norm.

If you dont want to use just about every brick feat he has, use his countless feats healing injuries that dwarf anything a street leveller can deal.

A car slamming into you won't f*ck you up, but god help a finger poke on a bunch of muscles hiding a bunch of nerves lol.

again, taking blunt force trauma hits, that cover your entire body which send you flying and give you enough time to heal =/= getting precise nerve strikes with an edge of an adamantium shield with striking force of captain america. secondly, again, wolverine was knokced out and taken out plenty of times by guys like sabretooth, gorgon, mister x, omega red and many more. judging by your claim he cant be knokced out by anyone who is less than hulk. thats the reason why i said before you start this bullshit just stop. but you didnt you kept with the biggest BS argument one can make for wolverine. da halk punjez

so in your opinion a vibranium shield strike from Cap to percise nerve pressure points = a finger poke? but then again you logic says it takes Hulk< strikes to hurt him so thats not a surprise. your logic and arguments are priceless.

Wolverine takes Cap's shield and KOs Cap with it.

Yeah, one of the many things that gets forgotten here... Cap can be disarmed.

Yes. Much like with Little Jimmy, if you remove his one weapon he is pretty much a useless shit from that point on.

BackFyre will ban you again, turd.

Unlike Cap, Wolverine can't be disarmed. And his fists alone are enough to beat the living shit out of Steve, as shown on panel.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
BackFyre will ban you again, turd.


For what? Giving a beloved Comic Book Character a Fun and somewhat very appropriate Nickname!?

Or just to shut up certain butt hurt little cry babies constantly whinning to him about stuff?

And what I said about CAP AND LITTLE JIMMY IS 100% CORRECT!!

Lose either the shield or the claws and they are nothing better then 2nd rate bench warmers.

You'll always be a turd.

I'm going with Cap

*reported for harmful name calling*

Originally posted by Flyattractor
*reported for harmful name calling*

Report me all you want. Will get you banned faster, not me. Turd.

Stop defecting the thread topic. It is supoosed to be about how crappy Cap and Little Jimmy are with out their gimmicks.

Only for someone like you, who is not aware of their feats

I don't care what shoe size they wear.

Then you post in the wrong forum. Feats are all that matter here.

For every Good Feat there are Bad Feats as well.

SO bad even Goldbond can't cure their stank.

Originally posted by Dareangel
come on. you are basically suggesting wolverine doesnt have a healing factor here. you are bringing events that happened several issues before to claim he was hurt while fighting mister X? wtf? while you at it why wont you bring his first fight vs hulk to claim he is still injured from that fight. nice going ignore the fact wolverine actually has a healing factor you know... same healing factor you are trying to claim will prevent him from getting knocked out by CAP

never claimed wolverine cant KO wolverine. my claim is Cap with his shield will do it more often to wolverine than the other way around.

yeah because taking away the shield from Cap is so easy right? a childs play. dont grasp on straws

... it took place in the same issue, genius. Wolverine's fight with the private army and assassination squad took place just a few hours before Mr. X knocked him out. And yeah, his healing factor repaired his injuries and allowed him to fight at full strength, but when he takes that much damage, it takes longer than a few hours for the healing factor to be at full capacity again. So, unless Cap is dishing out equivalent damage to that, without receiving just as much damage in return, at the very least, he has no chance of winning this.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
For every Good Feat there are Bad Feats as well.

SO bad even Goldbond can't cure their stank.

You wouldn't know, as your comic knowledge is as limited as your odds of finding a five-leaf clover.

True. I gave up reading Cap and all X Comics back in the mid to late 90's. Especially gave up on Cap when they stared making him TOO SuperHuman. Lost his appeal at that point.

Which is a big reason why I was never a big Little Jimmy Fan.

Originally posted by Ize19
... it took place in the same issue, genius. Wolverine's fight with the private army and assassination squad took place just a few hours before Mr. X knocked him out. And yeah, his healing factor repaired his injuries and allowed him to fight at full strength, but when he takes that much damage, it takes longer than a few hours for the healing factor to be at full capacity again. So, unless Cap is dishing out equivalent damage to that, without receiving just as much damage in return, at the very least, he has no chance of winning this.



Morrison was another writer who liked his Wolverine to heal really fast... and he knew well how it worked, too. That's why we were shown those panels of Logan meditating in the woods.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
True. I gave up reading Cap and all X Comics back in the mid to late 90's. Especially gave up on Cap when they stared making him TOO SuperHuman. Lost his appeal at that point.

Which is a big reason why I was never a big Little Jimmy Fan.

Which is why you shouldn't even be allowed to post here, lol.

Hilarious thing is... you have no problem accepting all of Lobo's feats or any other characters you like. Heh. Biased little turd.

Mainly because Lobo was written by the same few persons for the vast majority of his org run. Unlike Cap and Little Jimmy where nearly EVERY Wilbur and Wilma has taken a shot at and added their own spins to .

Which kind of invalidates your stated opinon given earlier.

Everybody and their mother was writing Lobo, same as with Deadpool. Stop lying.

Since you so care about Lobo's history, do remember the time when he got repeatedly pimpslapped by the Batman

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Morrison was another writer who liked his Wolverine to heal really fast... and he knew well how it worked, too. That's why we were shown those panels of Logan meditating in the woods.

Perfect example. He'd completely regenerated an arm from just the bone, in a few panels. Next issue, he's been meditating for a few days, to speed up his healing factor's recovery. And he wasn't nearly as damaged by that fight as he was by X's army and henchmen.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Everybody and their mother was writing Lobo, same as with Deadpool. Stop lying.

Since you so care about Lobo's history, do remember the time when he got repeatedly pimpslapped by the Batman

Guest Apps in other books don't count. I am talking in SPECIFIC Character Title Books. Lobo in the day was written by Giffen and Grant almost Exclusevily especially in the 90's. How many writers did either Cap or Little Jimmy go thru during that decade?

ANd this is a thread title all its own.

GET IT BACK ON TOPIC!

Which is Both Cap and Little Jimmy suck with out their TOOLS.

End thread.

Originally posted by Ize19
... it took place in the same issue, genius. Wolverine's fight with the private army and assassination squad took place just a few hours before Mr. X knocked him out. And yeah, his healing factor repaired his injuries and allowed him to fight at full strength, but when he takes that much damage, it takes longer than a few hours for the healing factor to be at full capacity again. So, unless Cap is dishing out equivalent damage to that, without receiving just as much damage in return, at the very least, he has no chance of winning this.

No. it started an issue before that, and continued to the issue where they fought. however, once again you are ignoring his healing factor and saying he was hurt during his fight vs mister X. thats just wrong since when he faced mister x he was fine. it wasnt stated or implyed that wolverine was hurt or wasnt at his fullest. if you believe he was hurt the burden of proof is on you. also, when did ogun possess that huge goon? he was easily taken out by wolverine who also made fun of him for being dumb and fighting with a freakin tie which helped wolverine choke him out.

Originally posted by Dareangel
No. it started an issue before that, and continued to the issue where they fought. however, once again you are ignoring his healing factor and saying he was hurt during his fight vs mister X. thats just wrong since when he faced mister x he was fine. it wasnt stated or implyed that wolverine was hurt or wasnt at his fullest. if you believe he was hurt the burden of proof is on you. also, when did ogun possess that huge goon? he was easily taken out by wolverine who also made fun of him for being dumb and fighting with a freakin tie which helped wolverine choke him out. You're all over the place.

Now I know why you call Logan Little Jimmy.

You don't who Logan is. Certainly don't know how his HF works, and the skills he shows when he doesn't use his claws.

Originally posted by Dareangel
No. it started an issue before that, and continued to the issue where they fought. however, once again you are ignoring his healing factor and saying he was hurt during his fight vs mister X. thats just wrong since when he faced mister x he was fine. it wasnt stated or implyed that wolverine was hurt or wasnt at his fullest. if you believe he was hurt the burden of proof is on you. also, when did ogun possess that huge goon? he was easily taken out by wolverine who also made fun of him for being dumb and fighting with a freakin tie which helped wolverine choke him out.

There was no time skip in between issues, and as you said, the fight that started in the previous issue, was continued in the same issue where he fought Mr X (by the way, "the previous issue and the same issue" is very different than "several issues before". Wolverine was healed, but his healing factor wasn't given time to recover.

He's always needed time, going back to Claremont's run on X-Men, to Hama's run on Wolverine, continuing past this fight to Morrison's run on X-Men, as Stilt pointed out. It doesn't need to be stated every time, it's basic knowledge of the character that his healing factor doesn't have infinite energy.

Wolverine can tell Ogun was possessing him in the following issue, when he sees Ogun's demon form haunting him. It wouldn't be the first time Ogun's toyed with him, especially if he wanted Wolverine to meet Mr X.

Anyway, the point I was making was that it's inaccurate to claim Mr X overcame Wolverine's healing factor, because it was clearly X's private army, his "General," his assassination squad, and him personally who overcame it. Stating otherwise is simply incorrect.

Originally posted by Ize19
There was no time skip in between issues, and as you said, the fight that started in the previous issue, was continued in the same issue where he fought Mr X (by the way, "the previous issue and the same issue" is very different than "several issues before". Wolverine was healed, but his healing factor wasn't given time to recover.

He's always needed time, going back to Claremont's run on X-Men, to Hama's run on Wolverine, continuing past this fight to Morrison's run on X-Men, as Stilt pointed out. It doesn't need to be stated every time, it's basic knowledge of the character that his healing factor doesn't have infinite energy.

Wolverine can tell Ogun was possessing him in the following issue, when he sees Ogun's demon form haunting him. It wouldn't be the first time Ogun's toyed with him, especially if he wanted Wolverine to meet Mr X.

Anyway, the point I was making was that it's inaccurate to claim Mr X overcame Wolverine's healing factor, because it was clearly X's private army, his "General," his assassination squad, and him personally who overcame it. Stating otherwise is simply incorrect.

again, if you believe wolverine wasnt at his fullest and finest you have to present the evidence. last thing that happened before that wat wolverine dropping down a glass ceiling on top of that huge bodyguard while making fun of him. wolverine was perfectly fine when he faces MISTER X due to his healing factor. it was never stated he wasnt at his fullest. if you believe otherwise back it up with evidence and not assumptions since they have no weight compared to whats presented.

wolverines healing factor is depicted differently thruought the entire comics career. sometimes he handles dozens of yakuza members shooting him stabing him and burning him. sometimes he handles a nuke with a smile. sometimes he heals instantly with a smile on his face. sometimes it takes him plenty of time to recover from cars hitting him. however in this specific issue, and its all that matters, he was depicted as being perfectly fine when facing mister X.

again, is there any evidence ogun possessed that huge guy? not that it matters but still.

for the thousand time, if you believe wolverine was taxed during his fight with mister X please present the evidence. there was no such statement. if that was indeed the situation, it would probably be stated as wolverines thoughts. something like "damn all that rumble taxed my healing factor(which would be laughable to say the least)". however wolverine was making fun of the bodyguard before that and depicted as perfectly fine.

Originally posted by emu
You're all over the place.

Now I know why you call Logan Little Jimmy.

You don't who Logan is. Certainly don't know how his HF works, and the skills he shows when he doesn't use his claws.

what the hell are you talking about...

Originally posted by Dareangel
what the hell are you talking about... Ize19 explains it far better than I can.

I'm just letting you know skimming scans for a vs forum isnt the same as reading the issues, and then representing the scans with proper context.

Logan had two issues of damage that would of killed Cap 50 times over...... read the issues, and you get your context.

Originally posted by emu
Ize19 explains it far better than I can.

I'm just letting you know skimming scans for a vs forum isnt the same as reading the issues, and then representing the scans with proper context.

Logan had two issues of damage that would of killed Cap 50 times over...... read the issues, and you get your context.

well then if ize19 is doing a better job maybe you will let him do the talking?

as for reading the issues, i was collecting wolverine comics ever since i was a kid. i am preety sure i know better than you about wolverine. as a wolverine fan i know not to use the idiotic argument of "but but he takez da hulk panjez". when i see someone using that, i know he doesnt know crap about wolverine.

let me educate you about the issue. wolverine was stabbed, shot and burned. nothing and i repeat NOTHING he doesnt eat for breakfast on regular basis with a smile on his face. you trying to present it as some extreme punishment to him is laughable. as pointed out, maybe it is you who should read the comics again and come back to tell us, was wolverine injured or hurt during his fight vs mister X. if you are willing to say yes, you better back that up with somethines presented in the comics, since the comics itself depicted him as perfectly fine thanks to his healing factor. the fact such damage could kill Cap has no relevance at all to the subject.

i agree that ize19 does it better than you, leave the discussion to him. backstage cheerleading is.... you know...

Originally posted by Dareangel
well then if ize19 is doing a better job maybe you will let him do the talking?

as for reading the issues, i was collecting wolverine comics ever since i was a kid. i am preety sure i know better than you about wolverine. as a wolverine fan i know not to use the idiotic argument of "but but he takez da hulk panjez". when i see someone using that, i know he doesnt know crap about wolverine.

let me educate you about the issue. wolverine was stabbed, shot and burned. nothing and i repeat NOTHING he doesnt eat for breakfast on regular basis with a smile on his face. you trying to present it as some extreme punishment to him is laughable. as pointed out, maybe it is you who should read the comics again and come back to tell us, was wolverine injured or hurt during his fight vs mister X. if you are willing to say yes, you better back that up with somethines presented in the comics, since the comics itself depicted him as perfectly fine thanks to his healing factor. the fact such damage could kill Cap has no relevance at all to the subject.

i agree that ize19 does it better than you, leave the discussion to him. backstage cheerleading is.... you know... I would, but Im drunk, and a nosy sonofabitch.

Lol. I'll hand you my blackened soul on a platter, if you do know Wolverine better than me

Can take punishment that would wreck Cap (indeed relevent considering the thread lulz) but his factor has a limit.
If you think Logans healing factor is recharged after every repair job (is what you're implying) you do a shit job of reading Wolverine comics.

You are all over the place, and I bet you're sober.
Shame.

Haha, I thought you were Flyattracter lol.

Originally posted by Dareangel
again, if you believe wolverine wasnt at his fullest and finest you have to present the evidence. last thing that happened before that wat wolverine dropping down a glass ceiling on top of that huge bodyguard while making fun of him. wolverine was perfectly fine when he faces MISTER X due to his healing factor. it was never stated he wasnt at his fullest. if you believe otherwise back it up with evidence and not assumptions since they have no weight compared to whats presented.

wolverines healing factor is depicted differently thruought the entire comics career. sometimes he handles dozens of yakuza members shooting him stabing him and burning him. sometimes he handles a nuke with a smile. sometimes he heals instantly with a smile on his face. sometimes it takes him plenty of time to recover from cars hitting him. however in this specific issue, and its all that matters, he was depicted as being perfectly fine when facing mister X.

again, is there any evidence ogun possessed that huge guy? not that it matters but still.

for the thousand time, if you believe wolverine was taxed during his fight with mister X please present the evidence. there was no such statement. if that was indeed the situation, it would probably be stated as wolverines thoughts. something like "damn all that rumble taxed my healing factor(which would be laughable to say the least)". however wolverine was making fun of the bodyguard before that and depicted as perfectly fine.

Just because he's drawn without injury, doesn't mean his healing factor has recovered. Remember the Morrison scene? He didn't appear to be damaged at all, but he still needed to meditate for days to speed his healing factors recovery.

This isn't about how fast he heals, it's about how long his hf takes to recover. It not being able to do so in just a few hours is actually pretty consistent.

It was a single panel near the end of the story, a setup that was paid off in Bloodsport.

Why would he need to state anything, when he'd just written nearly two issues showing how much damage Wolverine had taken? And if the crazy amount of damage he took there bringing down his healing factor is "laughable," how much more laughable is X doing it on his own?

Originally posted by Ize19
Just because he's drawn without injury, doesn't mean his healing factor has recovered. Remember the Morrison scene? He didn't appear to be damaged at all, but he still needed to meditate for days to speed his healing factors recovery.

This isn't about how fast he heals, it's about how long his hf takes to recover. It not being able to do so in just a few hours is actually pretty consistent.

It was a single panel near the end of the story, a setup that was paid off in Bloodsport.

Why would he need to state anything, when he'd just written nearly two issues showing how much damage Wolverine had taken? And if the crazy amount of damage he took there bringing down his healing factor is "laughable," how much more laughable is X doing it on his own?

you are going in cicrles. lets conclude this. you have no evidence wolverine was hurt and you have no evidence his healing factor was taxed.

Me: i have the comics itself on my side not only showing him being fine but also cracking jokes and laughing when he breaks thru the glass cieling on top of that huge bodyguard. yeah... he was so hurt and his healing factor was so taxed out that he was just laughing and joking all around.

also, what is the damage he took? some gun shots? a fire and some stubs which did nothing to him? yeahhh its such an extreme punishment for wolverine. come on... this is just laughable.

i think its very clear that he was just fine when he faced X. so how did X ko him then? as we see in the comics itself by beating him H2H. by the way, if you look at the debate, i used the mister X example as a stretch to the other side if people will bring him survivng nukes hulks and all those stuff. which means i dont believe its his normal. however, even that has an explanation in the form of precise nerve strikes and concentrated hits to the right ereas. the same way cap was able to use his hands to use pressure points on wolverine and dissable his wrists or something like that via tendon damage. you could think if cap did it, explosions should be able as well right? wrong. those are different forces working differently. a good placed hit to specific points in the nerve system cause different things. ask gamora she will tell you. ask daredevil he will tell you. or just read the comics itself, it will show you

You are completely ignoring how Wolverine's healing factor works.

The comic showed him taking a tremendous amount of damage, and Wolverine doesn't save his jokes for when he's 100% fine, he's been gravely injured so often, he quips in any condition.

Enough damage that the soldier reporting on the private army's failure said he was unstoppable, then listed all the wounds they had inflicted, which were quite extensive, and far beyond the damage Mr X can inflict.

There's a reason Wolverine was poisoned before he fought Shingen, and why he was kept in a state of exhaustion before he fought Cap in Origins, because when his healing factor is at full capacity, he heals too quickly from pressure points for them to bring him down. This has been shown against Echo and Elektra, he can be hurt by pp, but they only make him angry.

And all of this is ignoring that Wolverine can use pressure points too, will hit harder than Cap will due to his adamantium bonded fists, and is absolutely in Cap's league as a fighter, if not better when he's at his best. Even lowballing Wolverine, he's still capable of taking much more punishment than Captain America, as well as dishing out just as much damage. That equation equals victory for Wolverine in this fight.

Pretty much. His healing factor being taxed doesn't mean he will sit there weezing and vomiting or anything. It just means subsequent damage will actually last, and he won't recover from new injuries well. Physically, he'll look normal though.

Even if we allow the X showing, it's just one. We can't really act like that negates his typical ability to brush off that kind of damage.

If his healing factor really run on infinite energy and never needed to recharge, we wouldn't be seeing scenes like Logan emptying the refrigerator of all food or/and sometimes even needing more sleep than his fellow X-Men.