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Gladiator vs Orion
Who takes it?
Peak Powered

Dog of War

did you see recent fight with him and beta ray bill?

yes I did, it was mostly off panels, not much to see

now STFU

lol

Originally posted by MrMind
yes I did, it was mostly off panels, not much to see

now STFU

What's your deal man? Orion isn't some Galactus level threat.

Gladiator has destroyed a planet with his hands,

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
did you see recent fight with him and beta ray bill?
Dude do you got the issue this took place in? Or better yet, scans of the fight?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Gladiator vs Orion
Who takes it?
Peak Powered peak orion uses the ale to make gladiator punch himself in the face repeatedly. gladiator loses due to self KO.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude do you got the issue this took place in? Or better yet, scans of the fight?

iirc it was posted in character ownage or ownage thread by galan

Originally posted by Galan007
GotG:
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Glads managed to beat BRB after a long battle.

Orion imo although Glads is getting a little respect lately

The same

Originally posted by zopzop
Wow, that's a great showing for Glads.

Dude, Glads beating a Thor level being H2H convincingly like he did is a great feat.

Orion owned Hal, managed to KO Superman (temporarily), and resisted Mogo's gravity attack (which an army of Black Lanterns were unable to do). Cool Glads feat, but Orion is superior, especially with gear.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Orion owned Hal, managed to KO Superman (temporarily), and resisted Mogo's gravity attack (which an army of Black Lanterns were unable to do). Cool Glads feat, but Orion is superior, especially with gear.
Oh, I know. I'm not saying Glads beats Orion, I'm just saying Glads beating BRB ,even if it was mostly H2H, is an impressive feat for him.

I agree with you, Orion wins.

Whatever happened to the superior speed argument that is so often used around here? Gladiator turns him into a statue, and hits him until he becomes a puddle of blood.

Why would Glads use superior speed?

As your lawyer Stoic, don't answer that.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Qaoh3qmKzOFVK/giphy.gif

people do know that Gladiator has the strength to hurt Thor level beings right?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
people do know that Gladiator has the strength to hurt Thor level beings right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


whats funny?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
whats funny?

Thor is street level

I wouldn't completely dismiss it.

Bottom line Glads had the upper hand in a team battle that, seemed to have him facing off against Bill for a majority of the time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor is street level

I'd say low meta, we need Stilt's ruling on this. He's the authority as far as anything Thor related

Then how did he beat him?

Pure strength? HV? Freeze breath? Speed? Did BRB use everything in his bag of tricks? His full strength?

Can I take BRBs greatest showings, then scale from there?

Originally posted by h1a8
Because the writer wants us to believe that Glads beat him alone.
This is fiction. You can't make up stuff that the writer didn't blatantly put in to get us to believe something.

show me glads beating bill. what? you can't? then you're making up the idea that glads beat him byb his lonesome. the last scan we see of the 2 has BILL having the upper hand. but i should automatically believe glads somehow turned it around and beat bill because he was holding his body later? so? did we see glads take out moondragon? did someone else do that while he was fighting bill? off panel is off panel and pretty much useless.

yet I'M making things up. i'm saying we have no idea how bill lost. if anyone is making things up, i'm afraid it's YOU.

Originally posted by leonidas
show me glads beating bill. what? you can't? then you're making up the idea that glads beat him byb his lonesome. the last scan we see of the 2 has BILL having the upper hand. but i should automatically believe glads somehow turned it around and beat bill because he was holding his body later? so? did we see glads take out moondragon? did someone else do that while he was fighting bill? off panel is off panel and pretty much useless.

yet I'M making things up. i'm saying we have no idea how bill lost. if anyone is making things up, i'm afraid it's YOU. We don't have any idea how he lost but we know who he lost to. It's called storytelling. Both were fighting one on one. That is what we see and assume is going on UNLESS there is some indication that it changed. It's all about what the writer intended, not what really happened (since none of this stuff actually happened).


Bottomline: writer's intentions are pretty clear. And you are making stuff up.

Gladiator won. We don't know how, but he did. The idea that he beat Bill into a KO'd state shouldn't be too hard to believe. It's not as if the Scorpion did it. Gladiator certainly has the speed to to let off several thousand punches per minute, which would easily be enough to beat Bill.

Originally posted by Stoic
Whatever happened to the superior speed argument that is so often used around here? Gladiator turns him into a statue, and hits him until he becomes a puddle of blood.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would Glads use superior speed?

Still waiting, Stoic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would Glads use superior speed?


Full capacity rule. Why would the Flash use superior speed in a forum battle? Why when he finds out that Grodd is on the loose does he not end things before they begin, when we know that he can? Orion is no Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
We don't have any idea how he lost but we know who he lost to. It's called storytelling. Both were fighting one on one. That is what we see and assume is going on UNLESS there is some indication that it changed. It's all about what the writer intended, not what really happened (since none of this stuff actually happened).


Bottomline: writer's intentions are pretty clear. And you are making stuff up.



prove glads beat bill one on one.

no, we do NOT know who he lost to, or how--at all. the writer's intention was very unclear. we don't even have a clue what role moondragon played, or who beat her. did glads beat her too? huh? storytelling requires me to, you know, tell a story. i'm saying we have no idea how bill--or moondragon--lost. you, and others, otoh, are claiming glads....SOMEHOW beat bill--and seemingly moondragon though we never saw them engage--in a huge team situation. supposing glads didn't have help in that type of scenario seems overly presumptuous. it is possible glads simply beat bill straight up, but we do not know that. you and the others claiming he did like it's a fact? THAT is storytelling. but carry on making sh!t up and misrepresenting a non-feat.
it tends to be what you do.

Originally posted by Stoic
Full capacity rule. Why would the Flash use superior speed in a forum battle? Why when he finds out that Grodd is on the loose does he not end things before they begin, when we know that he can? Orion is no Superman.

Nice.

Orion is at full capacity too then, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nice.

Orion is at full capacity too then, right?

No. Just Gladiator

it's clear to me that off panel, bill actually fought to full capacity and even used the god blast for the first time. glads tanked it though, then proceeded to heimdall-style blitz bill hitting him 10 000 times in his horse face until bill was ko'd.

It's clear to me Gladiator used his HV, and despite BRBs best attempts at absorbing it with Stormbreaker, he actually overloaded it and destroyed it.

Odin then showed up, and remade it for Bill. But as punishment, he decreed that Bill had to be carried by Glads as if he had been defeated.

Prove me wrong.

It's clear to me, Gladiator was kicking BRB ass so bad.
Thor, Odin and all the Asgardians were informed, so they had to abandon the War of Realms. They teleported themselves to help BRB. only to all get their asses handed to them by Gladiator. Odin had to beg on his knees for forgiveness. Gladiator bfred all of them back to New York City.

It happened off panels, I had a writer friend who can confirm

Lots of clarity going on in this thread.

it's nice to see a thread where it's clear everyone agrees for once.

Sounds like a very interesting fight between bill and glads, can anyone post some scans?

pg 1.....

It tells you everything you need to know about Gladiator that his only notable non-flying in space speed feats are done by a future version from a non-existent timeline i.e. non-usable, and a random 'nanosecond' statement.

That said, I do think he beat hamerless] Beta Ray Bill in what can be called a direct fight - but he did explicitly use heat vision so it was not pure h2h. Though I'm one of the few people who think that he is slightly stronger/would be a favorite in that scenario against the Thor-folks

That said, Orion would clearly win here all things being involved , as would Thor most of the time if he's not fighting like an idiot

i agree he COULD have beaten bill. stating it as fact though, just doesn't work. i also said straight h2h would favor glads, though it would be very close imo. still no idea how the fight went down though. i have absolutely zero issue with anyone saying they believe glads beat bill. he may very well have done so. just don't try conflating belief/opinion with fact is all's i'm saying.

I don't agree, but I also don't care, tbh. It's not like we're disagreeing that Gladiator could beat a hamerless BRB.

I don't understand the discussion, frankly. Is this to keep BRB's UFC record against Gladiator as 0-0-0 instead of 0-0-1? He's obviously using TRT , so he'll get a No Contest next issue.

the discussion is pretty basic as far as i see it--how much stock do we put in an off-panel victory? imo, not much/next to none. /shrug

we can't even be sure bill didn't recall the hammer and STILL lost the fight though i like mungi's idea of how it might have went down.

IMO, Off-pannel victory still should considering just not as solid as on-pannel victory.
I mean after all, Even it off-pannel, But it still in comic and it's facts, It still better than just our own assumptions.
Of course, Due to we haven't fully fight scene, So neither do we know what exactly happened made off-pannel feats less convincible than on-pannel feats

What are you guys arguing about, specifically? I skimmed the thread, and I don't get it. We know that Bill lost to Gladiator... So? They're not that far apart stat-wise that such a thing should be a surprise, so what's the issue?

The fight doesn't raise or lower the stock of either man significantly, so it shouldn't be an issue.

The issue isnt that Bill lost it's how. Plus his last scene appearance was a cliff hanger so hopefully more on the fight is coming

Originally posted by Stoic
Wait a second, are you denying that he has high end super speed? He clearly has character issues, where we see him stand there and gloat like when Masterson Thor takes him out, but was that purely CIS, or was an equally large portion of PIS involved? If not for plot, Gladiator had Wonder Man and Masterson dead to rights, and that was due mainly to speed. Orion isn't as fast as Gladiator no matter how you look at it. Speed in my opinion is not the be all, end all, but take note how those that preach it as gospel have become reluctant to stand by their past arguments and repeated rebuttals. What is the basis for this level of two faced behavior? We have a guy that dodges bullets, and even lasers, and one that moves multiple times the speed of light which was written. If it was written, it should be acknowledged. After all, we have to acknowledge the Astro Force, mother box, a good fight with Superman, and any other ability that Orion has.

Only two faced one here is you.

I have asked repeatedly if both sides are allowed their full capacity. I am not reluctant to stand by my past arguments and repeated rebuttals.

So is Orion allowed full capacity too, just like Gladiator?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
The issue isnt that Bill lost it's how.

Given that it was off-panel, how can that at all be important?

But yeah, hopefully we get more information.

Because it's for applicability.

Same way BP won against Black Dwarf. Is it an MA feat? Did Panther use his tech? Was it a magical feat? Pure strength?

With Gladiator/BRB, is it an energy projection feat (HV)? Did he speed blitz BRB? Use Strontian MA? Did he have help? Etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nice.

Orion is at full capacity too then, right?

Stoic......Still waiting...... I mean,you DON'T just use arguments when it suits you right?

Gladiator has moved at light speed, survived an explosion that was capable of shedding half of a solar system and then he contained said blast. Hes moved at 100 times the speed of light. Swam in suns. Matched heat vision temporarily with Tyrant while withstand his punches. Broke planets. One punched a Phoenix user. One punched Vulcan. Dang!!! That full capacity rule is real cute right now. Beyonce sexy cute.

Almost forgot. He crossed Galaxies in the blink of an eye. G.A.L.A.X.I.E.S.

Yes.

So is Orion at full capacity too?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes.

So is Orion at full capacity too?

He can be if you want him to. With that said, bell rings, Gladiator blitz over while Orion is a statue, rips his glider from his body, snatch the mother box from him. Throw it into deep space, then proceed at punching Orion to sleep before Orion had a chance to move a muscle. Powerset TKO.

Then does Orion get to be his full New God form? Where planets are the size of marbles?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then does Orion get to be his full New God form? Where planets are the size of marbles?

Is that the Orion the thread starter is using? Anyways, Gladiator blitz over, grab Orion by the neck and toss him into the sun before Orion even moves a muscle. Does Orion have showings of surviving the sun?

Originally posted by carver9
Is that the Orion the thread starter is using? Anyways, Gladiator blitz over, grab Orion by the neck and toss him into the sun before Orion even moves a muscle. Does Orion have showings of surviving the sun?

Peak powered.

Full capacity rule.

Please read OP

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Peak powered.

Full capacity rule.

Please read OP

So I can use World Breaker Hulk? Chaos Wanda? New Sun Gambit? God Like Cable? Desperation is your first cousin.

Where is Gambit in this thread
Hulk?

Wanda?

So confusing Carter. Hello!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where is Gambit in this thread
Hulk?

Wanda?

So confusing Carter. Hello!

The point is, we dont bump a character up to a transformation just because you're trapped in a corner. They don't have to be in this thread. We use the AVERAGE character, not a character that rarely shows up. Keep trying. I believe in you. You'll conjure up an argument, soon (fingers crossed).

Wait what part of peak powered = average lol.

Are you drunk again

I've been asking about full capacity from page 1 of this thread. Damborg saw the trap lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait what part of peak powered = average lol.

Are you drunk again

I've been asking about full capacity from page 1 of this thread. Damborg saw the trap lol

Well, at least you admit Orion needs to amp up to insane levels to best Gladiator. I achieved something here.

He was always at those levels.

Blame OP. Either he's ignorant or just not thinking 😂😂

Gotcha. Glad we've came to the conclusion that JLA assisting Orion, not the one that is towering planets cant beat Gladiator. Thank you Saint. THANK YA.

Well I never said that?

Reading comprehension DEFINITELY isn't your forte, lol. Even Stoic was wise enough to not fall into the trap, but you couldn't resist.

OP specifically said peak powered. We ALSO have a full capacity rule.

I only work with what I was given. You can argue about Wanda, or Ghost Rider, or Gambit all you want .

I was given peak powered Orion. Stoic brought up full capacity....well, who am I to resist? After all, if people want to use a certain way of arguing, they should be consistent and apply it both ways right

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then does Orion get to be his full New God form? Where planets are the size of marbles?

Is this the size that we see him at in comics? If so I guess that when he's on Earth... Listen dude, you're reaching really hard at this point.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well I never said that?

Reading comprehension DEFINITELY isn't your forte, lol. Even Stoic was wise enough to not fall into the trap, but you couldn't resist.

OP specifically said peak powered. We ALSO have a full capacity rule.

I only work with what I was given. You can argue about Wanda, or Ghost Rider, or Gambit all you want .

I was given peak powered Orion. Stoic brought up full capacity....well, who am I to resist? After all, if people want to use a certain way of arguing, they should be consistent and apply it both ways right

Is this the Orion we are discussing?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
Is this the size that we see him at in comics? If so I guess that when he's on Earth... Listen dude, you're reaching really hard at this point.

Hey, OP is the one who specified PEAK powered. Not 'average', or 'usual'.

Reaching hard at this point? It's been my default stance from the very start.

We want to use full capacity? Sure, no prob. But the way you're only using it when it suits you is very mysterious.....

Originally posted by carver9
Is this the Orion we are discussing?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

Is that Orion at his peak? Are worlds the size of marbles to him?

you're not clever enough to debate against me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is that Orion at his peak? Are worlds the size of marbles to him?

you're not clever enough to debate against me.

Or you are being desperate. Thread starter, please explain which Orion you are using.

Carver, people are saying you're going to be the next POTUS?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is that Orion at his peak? Are worlds the size of marbles to him?

you're not clever enough to debate against me.

So the next time there's a Champion of the Universe, or for that matter any Elder of the Universe in a thread vs a Herald level threat, I'm hoping that you will use this full capacity ruling, because they can also grow to gargantuan sizes. Oh and while we're at it, we'd better include Zeus and Odin as well.

You're all kind of wrong DS. Don't think for a moment that you're actually fooling anyone with this bullshit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is that Orion at his peak? Are worlds the size of marbles to him?

you're not clever enough to debate against me.

Even in the Godhead arc, Orion and the New Gods were called the most powerful gods in the multiverse. The council of 8 basically schooled the New Guardians.

Alberto, which Orion is this?

Normal. Base

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carver, people are saying you're going to be the next POTUS?

President seems like such a step down from Azor Ahai...

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Even in the Godhead arc, Orion and the New Gods were called the most powerful gods in the multiverse. The council of 8 basically schooled the New Guardians.

what does the council of 8 have to do with orion lol

Originally posted by carver9
Or you are being desperate. Thread starter, please explain which Orion you are using.

Lol.

It's way too late.

Thread rules mean he gets two days, or two pages, before he can change stips.

Sorry boys. OP said peak powered. He is either ignorant or not thinking

Originally posted by Stoic
So the next time there's a Champion of the Universe, or for that matter any Elder of the Universe in a thread vs a Herald level threat, I'm hoping that you will use this full capacity ruling, because they can also grow to gargantuan sizes. Oh and while we're at it, we'd better include Zeus and Odin as well.

Well if OP says peak powered, and someone like you comes in all excited because they think they can use the full capacity rule lol.....
If he wants to change it now, too late. Time to open a new thread, this one is solidly in Orion's favour.

Too bad, so sad.

Also says neutral ground.

So you're saying they're at the levels they walk around in on New Genesis? Agreed.

OP trumps forum rules when explicitly stated, I believe. So whilst non canon source aren't usually allowed, I can make a thread with a What If version if I wanted.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're saying they're at the levels they walk around in on New Genesis? Agreed.

OP trumps forum rules when explicitly stated, I believe. So whilst non canon source aren't usually allowed, I can make a thread with a What If version if I wanted. No, what I'm saying is that all your twisting of words and "rules" doesn't back up Orion fighting at solar system plus sizes.

Do you think you come off better than Carver in these sorts of situations or something? Stooping below Carver levels for pages arguing with everyone that they actually meant this because they misused a word? Might as well declare arguments unusable because someone made a typo; literally arguing with retards about the connotations of "peak" while the dude brags about Gladiator destroying planets and hurting Thor level beings. For that matter, we don't even know what character is fighting Orion because the guy you're using couldn't even spell the character you think he's using. Too late to clarify too.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OP trumps forum rules when explicitly stated, I believe. So whilst non canon source aren't usually allowed, I can make a thread with a What If version if I wanted. Woah cool. You learn something new every day.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
what does the council of 8 have to do with orion lol

Orion and the Council of 8 made Lanterns like Sinestro, Mogo, Hal, and Larfleeze look like amateurs.