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Damn you must hate the xmen

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Damn you must hate the xmen

not necessarily

when you got Magneto, Jean, Juggernaut, Iceman

and most importantly

Jubilee

Cannonball soloes.

But on which team??

.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cannonball soloes.

But on which team??

hmmmm....

X-Men.

X-Men.

If thats Phoenix then the X-men win. If thats just Jean Grey then the Avengers slaughter. It would be a tough battle with an average Avengers lineup but in that pic you have Thor, Hyperion and Star Brand who could arguably solo.

Rogue absorbs Bobby, then disperses across the battlefield and absorbs every Avenger. Excluding, perhaps, Carol just because she wouldn't want that ***** in her head again. Game over.

Originally posted by Magnon
Rogue absorbs Bobby, then disperses across the battlefield and absorbs every Avenger. Excluding, perhaps, Carol just because she wouldn't want that ***** in her head again. Game over.

Its not as easy as youre making it sound. Rogue has to get in close and make skin to skin contact to absorb powers. The Avengers team has a lot of high level energy wielders who could take her out from a distance, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Thor, Hyperion. Ex Nihilo, Manifold, Abyss.

I noticed that the Starbrand is on deck. He's a Phoenix level threat alone.

If the Avengers team can defend against tp they should win.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If thats Phoenix then the X-men win. If thats just Jean Grey then the Avengers slaughter. It would be a tough battle with an average Avengers lineup but in that pic you have Thor, Hyperion and Star Brand who could arguably solo.

Thos

lol@ Thor solo'ing anyone

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
lol@ Thor solo'ing anyone

StarBrand bro. Comprehension is everything

Same Starbrand that had to sacrifice himself in order to handle a single cannon fodder beyonder?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Same Starbrand that had to sacrifice himself in order to handle a single cannon fodder beyonder?

I see you didnt acknowledge your previous error but have swiftly moved the topic along. Nicely done

As for your point about Starbrand, is it a Beyonder hes facing in this battle, or even beings comparable to a Beyonder? Because im quite sure its a bunch of X-men

What was your point again?

The three you mentioned are glass cannons at best.

Deep inside, you know that.

Keep drooling over supposed power levels and you'll never get a single forum match right, lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its not as easy as youre making it sound. Rogue has to get in close and make skin to skin contact to absorb powers. The Avengers team has a lot of high level energy wielders who could take her out from a distance, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Thor, Hyperion. Ex Nihilo, Manifold, Abyss.
Rogue can absorb people by touching them even if her skin has turned into some other type of material (ice, water, ...) via power theft. With Iceman's powers it would be almost impossible for the Avengers to avoid getting touched. Thor and Hyperion in particular would get absorbed quite fast.

Heck, she could even absorb Kitty (and Kurt) in addition to Bobby, before going after the Avengers. She could then remain incorporeal while filling the battle field with incorporeal extensions from her body... and then solidify them all. Not only would she instantly absorb all the Avengers but also kill most of them (ice spikes phased into them). (btw, the final panel below is NSFW -- you've been warned)

https://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/UA2_R1_zpsb27f4bd0.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The three you mentioned are glass cannons at best.

Deep inside, you know that.

Keep drooling over supposed power levels and you'll never get a single forum match right, lol.

The inviduals i highlighted in the post youre obsessing over would be characters who possess the ability to both dish out and take to a high level.

Definition of glass cannon:

"Glass cannon" is a popular term in gaming (especially online-gaming), where it refers to a character class that has remarkable offensive power, but has low defence."

Nah

and to reference one of the aforementioned individuals performance against a Beyonder as some sort of proof for this glass cannon tag is quite nonsensical.

You are in no position to assess my debating competence.

Back to the drawing board kid

You always sound so butthurt

Starbrand was all bark, no bite...

Thor's embarrassed himself beyond belief. There is no redemption for him on this forum.

Hickman's Hype was okay, but despite his powerset, you just needed two skilled streets to occupy him.

manifold teleport the entire X-men lineup into the nearest black hole.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You always sound so butthurt

Starbrand was all bark, not bite...

Thor's embarrassed himself beyond belief. There is no redemption for him on this forum.

Hickman's Hype was okay, but despite his powerset, you just needed two skilled streets to occupy him.

Another fail of a rebuttal.

You cannot use one or two low showings of a character to discredit their general showings across continuity. Youve been here too long to not know that mate.

None of these guys in question can be called glass cannons in respect to Marvel Earth. An example of a glass cannon would be Storm or Professor Xavier. Not characters who in addition to their strong offence have high degrees of durability which would serve them just fine in this match up against X-men.

Originally posted by deathslash
manifold teleport the entire X-men lineup into the nearest black hole.

Thats it. Job done.

Originally posted by deathslash
manifold teleport the entire X-men Avengers lineup into the nearest black hole.
Cyclops gets mightily pissed at Emma.
FTFY

Originally posted by Magnon
Rogue can absorb people by touching them even if her skin has turned into some other type of material (ice, water, ...) via power theft. With Iceman's powers it would be almost impossible for the Avengers to avoid getting touched. Thor and Hyperion in particular would get absorbed quite fast.

Heck, she could even absorb Kitty (and Kurt) in addition to Bobby, before going after the Avengers. She could then remain incorporeal while filling the battle field with incorporeal extensions from her body... and then solidify them all. Not only would she instantly absorb all the Avengers but also kill most of them (ice spikes phased into them). (btw, the final panel below is NSFW -- you've been warned)

https://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/UA2_R1_zpsb27f4bd0.jpg

Tell me more.

How would the absorption of Icemans powers make it impossible for the Avengers to avoid getting touched? You've piqued my curiosity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Tell me more.

How would the absorption of Icemans powers make it impossible for the Avengers to avoid getting touched? You've piqued my curiosity
It would involve Rogue using the omega-level powers of Bobby (+ the powers of Kitty and Kurt, if she goes for an overkill). I see Mimic is also in the X-Men roster, he could do pretty much the same as Rogue.

Iirc it places tremendous strain on Rogues body when she absorbs that many different powersets. Not saying she can't do it just that it's kinda a last resort. Iceman is good but he still struggles with the childish persona, he struggled with daken yet can make hundreds of ice golems.

X-Men heavies are Mags, Polaris, Bobby (If serious thus ooc), Psylocke, Juggs( he's always depowered when on a X-team though), Rogue, Warren (current), Mimic oh and Jean..but she's either a non factor or too op. You'd have to pick a specific version from a certain era to make her fit.

It seems like most folks forgot about the 4 strong to extremely strong telepaths on the X-Men side. Jean, Cable, Psylocke, and Emma are in that picture.

Yeah, telepathic assault would rape Steve's boys bad.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It seems like most folks forgot about the 4 strong to extremely strong telepaths on the X-Men side. Jean, Cable, Psylocke, and Emma are in that picture.

True except Cable can't see him doing much and Emma is vulnerable outside diamond form. I wonder if starbrand/nightmare etc have to feats or resistance

Plenty of muscle around to protect Emma.

Steve gets sodomized in front of his own team.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It seems like most folks forgot about the 4 strong to extremely strong telepaths on the X-Men side. Jean, Cable, Psylocke, and Emma are in that picture. that's assuming that they can do anything before manifold decides which star will offer the best view of the X-men cooking.

Originally posted by deathslash
that's assuming that they can do anything before manifold decides which star will offer the best view of the X-men cooking.

Not sure why they can't? If anything, Manifold is a liability when the mutants mind control him (and others; they don't have to just focus on him alone).

Plus, Pixie is also there. And all she ever really does is portal around.

Originally posted by deathslash
that's assuming that they can do anything before manifold decides which star will offer the best view of the X-men cooking.
Dark is right. Even if he fired first, Pixie would teleport them right back while Jean shields them from the star.

He is definitely slower by feats than Psylocke or Jean though. It's doubtful he'd win a quickdraw.

Manifold drops all of the X-men into a black-hole.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You always sound so butthurt

Starbrand was all bark, no bite...

Thor's embarrassed himself beyond belief. There is no redemption for him on this forum.

Hickman's Hype was okay, but despite his powerset, you just needed two skilled streets to occupy him.

Starbrand was the heaviest hitter on a team of heavy hitter.

Thor under Hickman was a beast, wdym, and this was when God of Thunder was in full swing. He'd shit on almost everyone.

Hyperion under Hickman had by far the greatest feats out of any Super-brick to ever appear in Marvel.

Good points.

They will make great opponents for each other when Jean and Psylocke turn them into puppets.


Cap will be allowed to fight Wolverine uninterrupted, just so the fans can whine when Wolverine hospitalizes him.

X-men have the Phoenix and Psylocke. Both of whom could turn half the Avengers on the other half, so long as they're protected from an initial blitz.

Overall, X-men should take a majority, mainly due to Phoenix Jean.

emma is above wolverine

non phoenix Jean btw

Originally posted by MrMind

non phoenix Jean btw
X-men phucking die. Thor teleports them into a sun that Manifold drops into a black hole before Star Brand makes the black hole cease to exist. Then the Avengers go out for Shawarma.

was reading first page, Thor or Hype soloing?

classic Juggy, Iceman and FP Magneto can keep them occupied

bfr is lame, let's avoid fighting by sending opponent to another place, but a viable tactic I guess

Originally posted by deathslash
X-men phucking die. Thor teleports them into a sun that Manifold drops into a black hole before Star Brand makes the black hole cease to exist. Then the Avengers go out for Shawarma.

But why are people assuming there's no mindrape?

These Avengers have been controlled before.

Originally posted by MrMind
was reading first page, Thor or Hype soloing?

classic Juggy, Iceman and FP Magneto can keep them occupied

bfr is lame, let's avoid fighting by sending opponent to another place, but a viable tactic I guess
It's not even that. They just keep ignoring that Pixie can literally do the same to Manifold. This is a rare instance were both teams can counter the BFR option.

Not to mention, massively ignoring CIS here. It's the Avengers and the X-Men fighting. Pixie isn't going to teleport Steve to the sun and Thor won't try to decapitate Jubilee.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But why are people assuming there's no mindrape?

These Avengers have been controlled before.
Cassandra Nova was going to the solo the Avengers/Atlantean/X-Men coalition and they were wearing replica Magneto helmets.

Good thing current, Phoenix-less Jean was there to save them. She no sold Cassandra's TP attack and was still holding back, while Cassandra was trying to kill her.
https://postimg.cc/622hyXYR
https://postimg.cc/3yw1QpGt

Jean is seemingly = to Cassandra at this point at least, and I see little TP resistance in that lineup outside of Spider-Woman. If we're going the "they go all out route", I see Jean just making them all take a nap Xavier style. Emma, Psylocke, and Cable backing her just guarantees an already forgone outcome.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Jean is a robot?

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm not sure what you're saying. Jean is a robot?

I'm saying there was no psi battle. Cassandra was felled by a nanobot. They were just facing each other.

during one of the scenes we find out the real Jean is still in Atlantis when she is fighting Cassandra Nova

Oh, that. You're thinking of a separate encounter. That happened a few issues earlier, when Nova took over Rachel's mind(casually, from Genosha while Rachel was in New York).

In the actual battle, Jean had Gabby use the nanobot because she wanted to heal Cassandra rather than kill her. The fight was real though.

tony has had showings of good to very good to....poor tp protection. i'd be surprised if starbrand could be taken over, but no evidence to the contrary makes it baseless speculation. thor has been hit or miss with tp over the years and smasher's armor MIGHT afford SOME protection....

but other than that the others are eff'd and even assuming all of the above ARE protected, they'd then have all the x-men + the other avengers to go against. starbrand against jean (if this is phoenix in this thing) COULD be a super cool match up, but she's the only one i'd say could match starbrand's overall power. assume for a moment they ko each other. even with that, hard to see the avengers winning this. so many players makes anything possible i guess, but the avengers don't have any answer to the overwhelming tp edge here. /shrug

starbrand v phoenis would be awesome to see on paper though.....

Originally posted by leonidas
phoenis
Freudian slip?

Leo loves penises

It's penisia to you sir

The mind whammy will def slow down the Avengers.

In terms of raw power, the Avengers line up destroys the X-Men. Saying that, the X-Men team still wins. You got a handful of powerful telepaths on that team that spell trouble for the Avengers who lack any way to effectively counter them.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Oh, that. You're thinking of a separate encounter. That happened a few issues earlier, when Nova took over Rachel's mind(casually, from Genosha while Rachel was in New York).

In the actual battle, Jean had Gabby use the nanobot because she wanted to heal Cassandra rather than kill her. The fight was real though.

Jean is not a robot in this. But a robot/nanobot is what took down Cassandra, not Jean.

So the feat is invalid for Jean. This could maybe be Trinary's feat at best.

They didn't psi fight though. The nanobot stopped her before that happened. Well, they TK fought but Cassandra downed her lol

So not only did Jean NOT "completely ignore" a TP assault, that the battle was won by a nanobot makes your assertion about Jean not needing to "hold back" also makes the whole post pointless

https://i.postimg.cc/BLYwPbDQ/myo.jpg

I've already covered this in another thread. You're operating off of a cropped scan broski. That isn't enough to understand what happened here.
Originally posted by StyleTime


Her statement about holding back due the Phoenix looks like it was true.

Jean completely ignored a full on telepathic assault from Cassandra Nova recently.
https://postimg.cc/KK9bT79S
https://postimg.cc/qtrYL481
https://postimg.cc/NKmSm5ry

Jean "loses" eventually
https://postimg.cc/xcGWHyCx

...except Jean was just playing dead. She was setting Nova up for Gabby to hit Nova with a personality altering nanite. And Jean explains she wasn't trying to kill Cassandra, but wanted to heal her instead.
https://postimg.cc/TprX0vkc
https://postimg.cc/G8ZZPXGN
https://postimg.cc/7GCFTFG0

As you said, "True Jean" strikes again! Even an out-to-kill Cassandra couldn't take her out and Jean wasn't even using her "real" power. Jean doesn't need the weak ass Phoenix yo.

Yes I addressed the whole post, re read my scans again

I only see one scan there, although I'm on my phone at the moment.

But, no, you're still mistaken. Jean was explicitly not trying to kill Nova there, and came in with the plan to switch her personality via nanobot.

They fought before the nanobot came into play though. Nova floats there trying to rip Jean's mind apart and fails. Jean tells Captain America this after Nova removes her helmet and says "You think you can keep me out of your head, Jean? I won't be ignored."