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At his peak Serpent gets my vote.

Gorr

The Serpent while feeding on fear wins.

Gorr at his peak consumed the Universe or was it, but the Serpent was way beyond that imo.

In retrospect, Odin and his brother have gotten significantly weaker. Not entirely sure why*, when King Thor, who's far from his prime, is still pretty uber.

*Being a symbol of the patriarchy is bad.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Gorr at his peak consumed the Universe or was it, but the Serpent was way beyond that imo.


LMAO.

https://tinyurl.com/uj32yyu

Destroying the planet Earth was unimaginable power to Odin in that arc.

Destroying the earth is unimaginable to just about anyone in comics, seeing as no one has managed to permanently do it

You know full well that Odin is beyond planetary, why make a stupid post like that?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Destroying the earth is unimaginable to just about anyone in comics, seeing as no one has managed to permanently do it

You know full well that Odin is beyond planetary, why make a stupid post like that?
Nobody is asking for it to be completely destroyed. Odin had to make Asgard a warmachine just to raze it down.

Fraction's Odin wasn't beyond planetary.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Destroying the earth is unimaginable to just about anyone in comics, seeing as no one has managed to permanently do it

You know full well that Odin is beyond planetary, why make a stupid post like that? In the vast majority of showings Odin isn't planetary.

In a forum he is though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fraction's Odin wasn't beyond planetary.

what

Originally posted by krisblaze
what
Did I stutter?

How powerful do you think Cul is?

Somewhere more powerful than Odin range. Maybe 1.25 times more powerful when he was amped on fear.

I meant scale-wise.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I meant scale-wise.
Not entirely sure tbh. He never showed power on any scale, it was all comparison with Odin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not entirely sure tbh. He never showed power on any scale, it was all comparison with Odin.
You think Odin was less than planetary.
How powerful do you think him and Cul were?

I said Odin wasn't beyond planetary. Not less than planetary.

Without any such feats from Cul, I can't make any guess.

You obviously have to scale him off of something.

You claim that Odin under Fraction wasn't beyond planetary, despite his showings against Surfer, Galactus, Surtur or the World Eaters.

But you do claim that he isn't less than planetary either. How do you figure? He didn't destroy any houses, cities or planets in that arc.

So obviously you're making some kind of guesstimate here.

Seeing as your in a thread about Cul, it might be reasonable to share your point of view on the character. Otherwise you're just trolling, aren't you?

How powerful do you think Cul is?

Abhi, I demand an answer!

Originally posted by krisblaze
You obviously have to scale him off of something.

You claim that Odin under Fraction wasn't beyond planetary, despite his showings against Surfer, Galactus, Surtur or the World Eaters.

That's not my claim, it's what Odin himself said in the comic.

Am I now?

Like I said he is more powerful than Odin. By how much? I don't know.

If I have to guess, he is like twice the planetary level as Odin was at the best.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Abhi, I demand an answer!

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not my claim, it's what Odin himself said in the comic.
Yes, but the same Odin also fought Galactus and other creatures who had killed planets.
So the power isn't imaginable, because he's seen it many times.
The power to destroy a planet isn't unimaginable even to us.

Do you think it might be something else?
Or are you literally retarded?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, but the same Odin also fought Galactus and other creatures who had killed planets.
So the power isn't imaginable, because he's seen it many times.
The power to destroy a planet isn't unimaginable even to us.

Do you think it might be something else?
Or are you literally retarded?

Currently Odin is nowhere near planetary. This goes for older versions of Odin too. Every writer is different. This isn't forum Odin (who is beyond planetary).

On the forum we use forum Odin, obviously.
Even so, Odin under Fraction was beyond planetary.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, but the same Odin also fought Galactus and other creatures who had killed planets.
So the power isn't imaginable, because he's seen it many times.
The power to destroy a planet isn't unimaginable even to us.

Why are you losing your mind over it?

So I guess you disagree with what Odin himself said about himself.

Is that right?

Odin = planetary
Cul with fear amp = 1.25 times Odin
--> Cul = planetary + moonary

Easy maths.

edit.: Easy ass maths.

Originally posted by krisblaze
On the forum we use forum Odin, obviously.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why are you losing your mind over it?

So I guess you disagree with what Odin himself said about himself.
Is that right?
You tell me.
Nevermind that we see, in that very arc, that Odin killed a planet's population by his lonesome.

Originally posted by krisblaze
You tell me.
Nevermind that we see, in that very arc, that Odin killed a planet's population by his lonesome.
That was in New Mutants crossover IIRC and not written by Fraction.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was in New Mutants crossover IIRC and not written by Fraction.

It was just showing what Matt Fraction wrote, Odin killing Aeshem. He said Odin killed a world to kill the Serpent and then rewrote it:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/odin-reveals-his-secret-to-thor-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/the-serpent-reveals-odins-secret-1.jpg

Which he did. And then he erased the Serpents memory from the Multiverse.

This old news. Fraction Odin manipulated universal/multiversal enegies during Everything Burns.




Edit. Gonna go with trans universal energies.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was just showing what Matt Fraction wrote, Odin killing Aeshem. He said Odin killed a world to kill the Serpent and then rewrote it:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/odin-reveals-his-secret-to-thor-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/the-serpent-reveals-odins-secret-1.jpg

Which he did. And then he erased the Serpents memory from the Multiverse.
Still not written by Fraction.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This old news. Fraction Odin manipulated universal/multiversal enegies during Everything Burns.




Edit. Gonna go with trans universal energies.



Its really cute you actually believe that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still not written by Fraction.
This wasn't written by Fraction?
Did he and Gillen switch runs or something?

Originally posted by abhilegend


Its really cute you actually believe that.
facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still not written by Fraction.

This was written by Fraction, its straight from Fear Itself you retard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
*Yawn*

Here, let me rip your arguments one by one. Again.

It was a shadow world of Asgard and a pocket dimension just like Asgard was. How large Asgard "universe" was? When Thor removed it from Asgard space and brought it on Earth, there was nothing left in Asgard.

https://s31.postimg.cc/sl9bprkez/RCO004.jpg

Even the scientist scan you're so fond of posting says the same.


https://i.postimg.cc/L5MKdZmF/5541631-thor-615-002.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Hn4GTsLc/5541632-thor-615-003.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/HsdDB5SQ/5541633-thor-615-004.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rFj6bmb7/5541634-thor-615-015.jpg

I've highlighted the relevant parts.



And we have no idea what his Galactus is capable of since it was the only time Fraction wrote him.



Hahaha.

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

No, let me try once again.

No, I can't. Seriously, where do you get this stuff?

That's nice? And contradictory to his own writings later on.



Which multiverse? Nine realms aren't multiverse, my dear idiot. They are barely a planet combined going by Fraction's cosmology excluding Earth.

Asgard and each of the nine worlds are fully fledged Universes that even undergo Entropy. Asgard however is the heart of Asgard Space.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Asgard and each of the nine worlds are fully fledged Universes that even undergo Entropy. Asgard however is the heart of Asgard Space.


Fraction outright showed that there was nothing in Asgard "space" once Thor removed and brought the city to Earth.

Rage: That's just the heart of Asgard.

Idiot.

Surely you can both be right.

Asgard, as in the city, can be essential to the Asgard dimension without encompassing all of it.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Surely you can both be right.

Asgard, as in the city, can be essential to the Asgard dimension without encompassing all of it.
Except Asgard city is everything in Asgard space, without it there's literally vacuum.

https://postimg.cc/KR1s3Zm5

That's how shadow world moved up on the world tree. Ignoring such a blatant fact is idiotic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Asgard city is everything in Asgard space, without it there's literally vacuum.

https://postimg.cc/KR1s3Zm5

That's how shadow world moved up on the world tree. Ignoring such a blatant fact is idiotic.

I think Rage is referring to this later statement in the succeeding issue.

https://imgur.com/UlwOXFT

It's entirely possible for them to be universes, but to only have the king of Asgard as the only "place". The vaccuum seems to be referring to Asgard's function as linchpin, not necessarily the fact that the city of Asgard is considered a universe.

The point itself is moot now anyways, as the asgardian cosmology changed again in Vol 4 iirc, with the war of the realms and Malekith stuff.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I think Rage is referring to this later statement in the succeeding issue.

https://imgur.com/UlwOXFT

That's actually repeating the same thing.

But that's exactly what it was.

Nah, it's rather consistent.

Yes, but there's still a space there.

Being the heart of the universe isn't the same as being the entirety of the universe.

It is if removing Asgard removed everything in the "universe". Loki again confirmed that in Thor 619.

Taking Gorr at his peak

Not much to it then.
They're "universes" in the same sense that a pocket dimension would be a universe.

Typical Fraction hyperbole

Serpent definitely had some juice behind him, but not anywhere near as much as Gorr..

Originally posted by krisblaze
Not much to it then.
They're "universes" in the same sense that a pocket dimension would be a universe.

Typical Fraction hyperbole

Originally posted by abhilegend


Fraction outright showed that there was nothing in Asgard "space" once Thor removed and brought the city to Earth.

Rage: That's just the heart of Asgard.

Idiot. Originally posted by abhilegend
That's actually repeating the same thing.

But that's exactly what it was.

Nah, it's rather consistent.

https://i.postimg.cc/2Vv4JXn8/RCO004-1462334551.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/HJWXrYRV/RCO005-1462334551.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/sM45fQnk/RCO006-1462334551.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nXJvtY1K/RCO007-1462334551.jpg

That is Asgard Space. It is a fully-fledged Universe Stars, planets, galaxies etc.

Asgard City is it's heart (Aka the Odin Force), but it is its own Universe.

No, it isn't Asgard's stars or galaxies. Those are normal universe's stars and galaxies.

Its not that complicated.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Not much to it then.
They're "universes" in the same sense that a pocket dimension would be a universe.

Typical Fraction hyperbole

PLEASE do not listen to anything Abhiligend says without any double checking.

Fraction extensively made it clear that the Asgardian realms were Universes. Here, the Dark Gods Universe we saw literally suffer Entropic death:
https://i.postimg.cc/zV0dDGxP/RCO009.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fVy8VQFW/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/sMLwS0dY/RCO011.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SXzVG7kw/RCO012.jpg

Their version of Odin, was staving off Entropy at will, and once they left, it died. Asgard is somewhat similar, but it is a fresh Universe, capable of living on its own.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it isn't Asgard's stars or galaxies. Those are normal universe's stars and galaxies.

Its not that complicated.

They are completely different dimensions under Fraction that are linked via the Rainbow Bridge. Your own scans confirmed it.

https://i.postimg.cc/pythrQ7p/RCO033-1462334819.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qgXt3hVQ/RCO034-1462334819.jpg

Your dumbass just completely forgot you aren't debating with Carver here, and I actually know the Thor mythos.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
PLEASE do not listen to anything Abhiligend says without any double checking.

Fraction extensively made it clear that the Asgardian realms were Universes. Here, the Dark Gods Universe we saw literally suffer Entropic death:
https://i.postimg.cc/zV0dDGxP/RCO009.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fVy8VQFW/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/sMLwS0dY/RCO011.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SXzVG7kw/RCO012.jpg

Their version of Odin, was staving off Entropy at will, and once they left, it died. Asgard is somewhat similar, but it is a fresh Universe, capable of living on its own.


Their "universe" has one planetoid body. That's it. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They are completely different dimensions under Fraction that are linked via the Rainbow Bridge. Your own scans confirmed it.

https://i.postimg.cc/pythrQ7p/RCO033-1462334819.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qgXt3hVQ/RCO034-1462334819.jpg

Your dumbass just completely forgot you aren't debating with Carver here, and I actually know the Thor mythos.
And this proves what exactly? The space of Earth 616 was always visible from Asgard.

And you think you know Thor mythos?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Not much to it then.
They're "universes" in the same sense that a pocket dimension would be a universe.

Typical Fraction hyperbole

https://i.postimg.cc/bSbhc2xM/RCO007-1462334551.jpg

That's what Loki said. This does not preclude that they are Universes. It doesn't even mean Loki was right.

For example, when Thor chopped down the World Tree, the World Eaters were banished to "nothing space" which was still a Universe, just cold (No life).

https://i.postimg.cc/d7TyhJYY/1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/R65nf2Sn/2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kDyt6jkB/3.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ppX5DfHk/4.jpg

It must really get your panties in a bunch having Asgardian cosmology being so large. I have no clue why it does, but its hilarious.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Their "universe" has one planetoid body. That's it.
And this proves what exactly? The space of Earth 616 was always visible from Asgard.

And you think you know Thor mythos?

https://i.postimg.cc/XGpDGGvv/RCO014.jpg

"From the superdense heart of a dying Universe..." and we see all matter collapse to Entropy. They were literally the last living things in their Universe. Unlike Asgard Space which is rich and vibrant.

The scientist was a Quantum Physicists, Tony Stark, Thor, Loki, and all Odin described Universes. Matt Fraction is also not an idiot. He can google, and explain what Universes means. He could've used the word realms, pocket dimensions etc. He specifically said Universes a hundred times.

I also think its hilarious how you accept that they were separate physical realms, but at the same, refute that Asgard isn't. Really odd.

I'm done going back and forth about this. Let's start a thread in the battle zone discussion, post our evidence and have a mod ruling on it (From Bada, PR, and Galan), since those have become popular.

If you want, we can even make it a battlezone. Loser leaves for a month, and wears a sig of the winners choice.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://i.postimg.cc/bSbhc2xM/RCO007-1462334551.jpg

That's what Loki said. This does not preclude that they are Universes. It doesn't even mean Loki was right.

For example, when Thor chopped down the World Tree, the World Eaters were banished to "nothing space" which was still a Universe, just cold (No life).

https://i.postimg.cc/d7TyhJYY/1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/R65nf2Sn/2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kDyt6jkB/3.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ppX5DfHk/4.jpg

It must really get your panties in a bunch having Asgardian cosmology being so large. I have no clue why it does, but its hilarious.
Yeah, still not buying what you are selling.

And yes, Kris is such a Thor hater. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://i.postimg.cc/XGpDGGvv/RCO014.jpg

"From the superdense heart of a dying Universe..." and we see all matter collapse to Entropy. They were literally the last living things in their Universe. Unlike Asgard Space which is rich and vibrant.

The scientist was a Quantum Physicists, Tony Stark, Thor, Loki, and all Odin described Universes. Matt Fraction is also not an idiot. He can google, and explain what Universes means. He could've used the word realms, pocket dimensions etc. He specifically said Universes a hundred times.

I also think its hilarious how you accept that they were separate physical realms, but at the same, refute that Asgard isn't. Really odd.
And what's the "superdense heart of universe" in a universe where there is only one planet on panel. Where are the stars and galaxies dude?

You wouldn't believe me even if I posted an interview from Matt Fraction. Therefore:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm done going back and forth about this. Let's start a thread in the battle zone discussion, post our evidence and have a mod ruling on it (From Bada, PR, and Galan), since those have become popular.

If you want, we can even make it a battlezone. Loser leaves for a month, and wears a sig of the winners choice.



P.S. I tried pointing that out before, and you just ignored it and said it was the normal Universe:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://i.postimg.cc/2Vv4JXn8/RCO004-1462334551.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/HJWXrYRV/RCO005-1462334551.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/sM45fQnk/RCO006-1462334551.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nXJvtY1K/RCO007-1462334551.jpg

That is Asgard Space. It is a fully-fledged Universe Stars, planets, galaxies etc.

Asgard City is it's heart (Aka the Odin Force), but it is its own Universe.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm done going back and forth about this. Let's start a thread in the battle zone discussion, post our evidence and have a mod ruling on it (From Bada, PR, and Galan), since those have become popular.

If you want, we can even make it a battlezone. Loser leaves for a month, and wears a sig of the winners choice.


And isn't it odd that the shadow world or other nine realms don't have any such galaxies or stars?

What you're seeing is the 616 universe in background.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And isn't it odd that the shadow world or other nine realms don't have any such galaxies or stars?

What you're seeing is the 616 universe in background.

It's not odd, I had the scan showing a fully fledged Universe for the World Eater Universe. At this point, it was predictable that despite the Entropy, the description and everything else, you would not accept that a dying Universe would be dark. I just wanted you to commit to your reasoning a bit more.

https://i.postimg.cc/DyFzMP9Y/RCO011.jpg

I'm glad that you accept that the World Tree worlds are fully fledged separate Universes. P.S. Asgard Space isn't just a sector of the regular Universe. It is literally a separate dimension.

https://i.imgflip.com/137tf1.jpg

So you're just going to repost the same scan again and again screaming "Why don't you accept it", huh?

Amnesia about what you idiot? Fraction wrote Asgard as a city occupying a pocket universe. Nothing more. When Surtur attacked the nine realms in Everything Burns, he didn't attack different galaxies in each realm.

How stupid are you?

But tell you what, I'll accept Asgard as a universe if you actually show another person from a different planet or galaxy inside the Asgard "universe".

You simply can't.

Gorr for reason already stated

I'm sorry, I forgot Thor lived in the real world too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm sorry, I forgot Thor lived in the real world too.

It's entirely possible for there to be universes and planets without other people in them...
What an arbitrary stipulation.

I think you should take Rage up on his BZ offer.

Not really, if it was we would at least see these planets in Asgard dimension. We never did.

No, rage would back out as usual, giving some future time for BZ.

Didnt he just post a scan containing other planets?

No, those were in the background with no way to determine if it's from Asgard dimension or 616 universe which is visible from Asgard.

Thematically too Asgard being a separate universe like 616 universe is just stupid.

I don't think there's anything that would ever convince you.

I suggest taking Rage ep on his BZ offer.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't think there's anything that would ever convince you.

I suggest taking Rage ep on his BZ offer.


Sure you can. Just show me an actual planetary body inside the dimensional space of Asgard other than Asgard city itself.

http://i.imgur.com/cVL0EPA.png

Originally posted by krisblaze
http://i.imgur.com/cVL0EPA.png
That's 616 universe in background.

https://i.postimg.cc/q7j8McjW/image.jpg

As you can see the rainbow bridge connects to Asgardian continent only from 616 universe. There's nothing more in Asgard.

Lol

Shit, Asgard is only like two blocks away

Originally posted by krisblaze
Shit, Asgard is only like two blocks away Originally posted by krisblaze
Shit, Asgard is only like two blocks away
facepalm

In all seriousness, Asgard is a dimension.

I had forgotten the initial assertion being made here, that Serpent and Gorr were universal beings.

I don't think Factions statements regarding Asgard being a fully fledged universe in any way make them a universal power. It's a possibility given the wording, but it's not really consistent with earlier or subsequent portrayals.

Edit: What does it being a dimension entail, who knows...Franklin's counter-earth was almost a universe, but still a dimension and still contained within 616.

Franklin's "universe" was a microverse, characters and locations were scaled down in that universe. Heck it had other galaxies too unlike Asgard and yet it was considered a pocket universe.