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on a roll prep. this is a solid match. damian has some ranged stuff that could net him wins. in cqc? off the top of my head, i might take shatterstar for a slight majority.

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Why would this be a good match? Is it because Wolverine easily schooled Shatterstar, or is Damian just that good?

Shatterstar sucks

So does Damian, but he wins

Could you see Damian clowning Thing the way SS did?

Good question. I think Damian is more skilled, smarter, while shatterstat has the edge in physicals. Damian has been getting a really good push lately too

shatterstat?

She shatters statistics?

Shatterstar. Wayne Jr isn't strong enough

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Shatterstar. Wayne Jr isn't strong enough

Damian has already bested stronger opponents. Skill makes up for it.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Damian has already bested stronger opponents. Skill makes up for it.


SS has a hf, enhanced strength, he can bfr....plus all the tricks Damian has. It's a stomp

Originally posted by Sin I AM
SS has a hf, enhanced strength, he can bfr....plus all the tricks Damian has. It's a stomp

Tell that to the Talon he stomped. Talon's have HF and enhanced speed, strength, etc... No BFR

Hand ninjas are enhanced, too. Fodder is fodder,

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Tell that to the Talon he stomped. Talon's have HF and enhanced speed, strength, etc... No BFR

Well thankfully SS isn't a fodder hand ninja or Talon.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well thankfully SS isn't a fodder hand ninja or Talon.

During that time, they were giving Batman and the whole family hell.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
During that time, they were giving Batman and the whole family hell.

Then it sounds like pis to me since Damian is the weakest Robin this side of Spoiler

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Then it sounds like pis to me since Damian is the weakest Robin this side of Spoiler

Weakest? Tom King and Tynion have him in the top 5, one below Batman, Casssandra, and Dick. Recently went toe to toe with Connor who is the best HTH fighter on DC earth. Or top 3 at least.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Could you see Damian clowning Thing the way SS did? Sure, why not.

Thing is an easy character to clown when you want to give somebody a feat.

Stats vs stats. Shatterstar would dominate.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Weakest? Tom King and Tynion have him in the top 5, one below Batman, Casssandra, and Dick. Recently went toe to toe with Connor who is the best HTH fighter on DC earth. Or top 3 at least.

Sorry forgot about this thread. Tim is a better tactical fighter than Damian who's extremely emotional. So is Cass, Jason would wreck him...he may break even with Babs or Spoiler or something.

Can't recall off the top of my head, not really fan of the character. But if we go by "has beaten", I err on the side of caution and say Damian wins.

Why I went with stats as writers have characters like Wolverine and Batman punching tons above their weight level because they're fan favorites.

Stat-wise: Shatter is stronger, faster and more agile than Damian, he can also take more damage and he should also be better with any weapon he's using due to his advanced learning abilities.

Stats don't have much meaning when your opponent is a lot more skilled. Damian could use the death blow (as he did with NoBody) and end the fight one hit. He also killed a Talon who was stronger, faster, and more agile.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Stats don't have much meaning when your opponent is a lot more skilled. Damian could use the death blow (as he did with NoBody) and end the fight one hit. He also killed a Talon who was stronger, faster, and more agile. Disagree, stats matter a lot when judging these fights and skill is great, but can fall nigh useless at times. eg Lady Shiva is far more skilled than most, but she'd lose to the powerhouses like Superman and Gladiator. Not that I'm saying Shattestar's skills/powers/abilities are that far above Damian's skills/abilities

Didn't Morgan beat the living shit out of Damian and the death blow only came after Batman severely wounded Morgan and he was incapacitated?

Which reminds me now, Shatterstar has that stupid bio-electric shockwave attack in his arsenal.

Originally posted by Robtard
Disagree, stats matter a lot when judging these fights and skill is great, but can fall nigh useless at times. eg Lady Shiva is far more skilled than most, but she'd lose to the powerhouses like Superman and Gladiator. Not that I'm saying Shattestar's skills/powers/abilities are that far above Damian's skills/abilities

Didn't Morgan beat the living shit out of Damian and the death blow only came after Batman severely wounded Morgan and he was incapacitated?

Which reminds me now, Shatterstar has that stupid bio-electric shockwave attack in his arsenal.

I'm not saying they can beat power houses like those, but Shiva has own d people outside her weight class before. Check out the last Batman arc she was in.

Same with Damian.

Originally posted by Robtard
Disagree, stats matter a lot when judging these fights and skill is great, but can fall nigh useless at times. eg Lady Shiva is far more skilled than most, but she'd lose to the powerhouses like Superman and Gladiator. Not that I'm saying Shattestar's skills/powers/abilities are that far above Damian's skills/abilities

Didn't Morgan beat the living shit out of Damian and the death blow only came after Batman severely wounded Morgan and he was incapacitated?

Which reminds me now, Shatterstar has that stupid bio-electric shockwave attack in his arsenal.

OP changed the stips and took away his meta abilities. So no bio electric and bfr stuff. He's basically an enhanced agile human with ok fighting skills against an skilled child. He's good but he isn't that good and someone mentioned Connor which is a terrible example

If Shatterstar needs to be gimped in order for Damian to have a chance, that tells you all you need to know.

Gimped? Anyway, nobody really addressed the question in the room: Who has Shatterstar actually fought on Damian's level?

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Gimped? Anyway, nobody really addressed the question in the room: Who has Shatterstar actually fought on Damian's level?

Domino is about Damian's level....he fought her

And yes gimped. Anytime you have to take away a characters abilities in order for their adversary to have a chance to fight it's gimping. It's acknowledging that under normal circumstances they'd get beaten.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Domino is about Damian's level....he fought her

And yes gimped. Anytime you have to take away a characters abilities in order for their adversary to have a chance to fight it's gimping. It's acknowledging that under normal circumstances they'd get beaten. Domino stomped Shatterstar when her powers were malfunctioning and she was injured.

lol yeah. ss doesn't exactly have a great record against anyone of real note. i guess his best 'win' would be against the thing...? i know he's been shown to teleport now, so that would obviously be a big advantage here. if he can blast from a distance, teleport and get in close i think he'd still have the physical advantage but damian is certainly winning his share. i think it's close and i'm undecided about the majority here.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Domino is about Damian's level....he fought her

And yes gimped. Anytime you have to take away a characters abilities in order for their adversary to have a chance to fight it's gimping. It's acknowledging that under normal circumstances they'd get beaten.

He doesn't have a good track record against her.

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