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Powergirl is said to have beaten a Superman from another Earth. In fact i heard she apparently beat 3 Superman. I don't remember much so i think this is a good way to refresh my memory and see what other people think. As it's been a while since i read stuff with PG. So hopefully this will help me to clarify my doubts if people here have feats that i could have forgotten about. And it's be fun to see other people's opinions too.

Round 1 Post Crisis Versions.

Round 2. Post Flashpoint Versions.

Superman casually

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman casually

So what i heard is wrong? PG didn't beat a Superman from another earth or more than one Superman?

Originally posted by light889
So what i heard is wrong? PG didn't beat a Superman from another earth or more than one Superman? Doesn't mean she's going to beat EVERY Superman.

Originally posted by lawest9
Doesn't mean she's going to beat EVERY Superman.

I know that. But my memory on Post Crisis PG is foggy. So i made the threat to see what other people think since i'm sure there must be somebody here that remembers better than me. I haven't found feats of Powergirl beating any Superman. And i don't remember info confirming that she beat any Superman that was truly equal to the main Clark from Post Crisis. That's why i am asking and made the thread. Maybe she is stronger than i remember.

My suggestion is

1)If you have the scans that she beat Superman, you could use image search and find the issues to look for yourself.

2)If these people didn't give any scans but still made this claim, then it very likely they just pulled this shit from their asses, so don't bother to invest too much eergy in it. Or you could go to the Comic Book Questions & Discussion thread and ask in there

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
My suggestion is

1)If you have the scans that she beat Superman, you could use image search and find the issues to look for yourself.

2)If these people didn't give any scans but still made this claim, then it very likely they just pulled this shit from their asses, so don't bother to invest too much eergy in it. Or you could go to the Comic Book Questions & Discussion thread and ask in there

I don't have the scans and i don't remember seeing them ever. But in the conversation about clark compared to other kryptonians. This was mentioned about PG. So now i am trying to see if there are things from Post Crisis PG that i missed or maybe i don't remember.

So you are saying that post crisis powergirl never beat a superman? i heard she beat superman from another earth before coming to main post crisis earth.

Sounds like it never happened

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sounds like it never happened

I am trying my best to remember. Apparently it was an statement. That she beat a superman from another earth before coming into the main earth in Post Crisis. But i can't find anything so far. Because if the statament is true. I would still like to know if we can be sure that she beat a superman comparble in power to main earth post crisis superman. But i can't find anything so far.

https://imgur.com/a/kSgxagS

infinity inc #7. if that's what you're thinking of.

and as you can see if you look through the issue--superman wins without much, if any, trouble.

Superman wins but Powergirl does extremely well.

Originally posted by leonidas
https://imgur.com/a/kSgxagS

infinity inc #7. if that's what you're thinking of.

Thanks. But that comic is before the Post Crisis continuity right? The statement i heard is that Powergirl Beat another Superman beforer coming to the Post Crisis earth. If that is true. The statement must be from a Post crisis comic.

Powergirl has a WAAAYYY better ass:

https://i.imgur.com/C1GUbLo.jpg

Originally posted by light889
Thanks. But that comic is before the Post Crisis continuity right? The statement i heard is that Powergirl Beat another Superman beforer coming to the Post Crisis earth. If that is true. The statement must be from a Post crisis comic.

We don't go by statements. We go by feats. So the narrative can state all day that she's a million times stronger none of the direct showings give her an edge. He's simply her better. No other way to take it

That's.... assuming the statement even exists, which from the multiple posts, tells me it doesn't at all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's.... assuming the statement even exists, which from the multiple posts, tells me it doesn't at all.

Hmmm 🤔 missed that part. So pretty much a wasted argument

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm 🤔 missed that part. So pretty much a wasted argument

Apparently it is from a comic where PG beat a dark Superman and the whole JL. But still i can't find nything about it.

JSA 36. But she didn't beat Superman, he was under mind control and under the shock of the mind control broken.

Originally posted by abhilegend
JSA 36. But she didn't beat Superman, he was under mind control and under the shock of the mind control broken.

So she wasn't shown as an equal to him in that fight?

Originally posted by abhilegend
JSA 36. But she didn't beat Superman, he was under mind control and under the shock of the mind control broken.

Are you sure is issue 36? She didn't fight Superman in that issue

It's issue 35

Mind control is always iffy. For example, Batman took Superman out when he was mind controlled, but no one would argue they were equals.

Full capacity etc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
JSA 36. But she didn't beat Superman, he was under mind control and under the shock of the mind control broken.

Didn't see it her fight SM in issue 35. She did beat blue moon in 33. Blue moon said she was more powerful than superman when the moon is full. How accurate is that?

Originally posted by light889
Didn't see it her fight SM in issue 35. She did beat blue moon in 33. Blue moon said she was more powerful than superman when the moon is full. How accurate is that?

Is this what you're talking about?

https://i.ibb.co/Jv2Yjfn/RCO005.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vvSF221/RCO008.jpg https://i.ibb.co/3RDpz80/RCO016.jpg https://i.ibb.co/N7jRbH0/RCO018.jpg

JSA 35 it's from.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Is this what you're talking about?

https://i.ibb.co/Jv2Yjfn/RCO005.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vvSF221/RCO008.jpg https://i.ibb.co/3RDpz80/RCO016.jpg https://i.ibb.co/N7jRbH0/RCO018.jpg

JSA 35 it's from.

Thanks. So the context seems to suggest she didn't really beat superman? She is not his equal then or i am missing something?

I honestly don't recall what's happening in the arc and why they're fighting, but on this forum at least we tend to look at it as being not admissible if a character is compromised.

It would be like me getting in the ring with Mike Tyson... but he has a blindfold on, one hand tied behind his back, and a nasty bout of food poisoning. Sure, I might technically beat him, but it's not like he was at his best either.

Originally posted by light889
Thanks. So the context seems to suggest she didn't really beat superman? She is not his equal then or i am missing something?

Superman and all the characters in grey colour were under control by Ultra-Humanite when he took the power of the Thunderbolt. He used the Thunderbolt to insert brain implants into then and control them via this.

As such they were hardly reacting as a normal Superman would react since Ultra had to choose their moves. Controlling so many would have also made his reactions even slower.

No way in hell is post Crisis PG beating Superman with both going all out. For the first decade or so post crisis she was even more nerfed than bronze age. During this period (bronze age) she was basically action comics 38 Superman level. It wasn't till the latter part of the All Star comics revival (approaching modern age) when she could actually fly etc. Inf Inc (the scans shown by Leo) of her loosing to a stream of ruthlessness affected earth 2 Superman was when she was finally a fully powered earth 2 Kryptonian. Post crisis when she was retconned to be the grand daughter of Arion genetically altered by his magic her invulnerability didn't even protect her from Superman's heat vision. He was literally able to cut her with it to perform surgery.

Since Digi hasn't been on KMC for a while pretty sure I'm the only resident JSA fanboy so you can't assume I have a modicum of knowledge on the subject

Originally posted by beatboks
Superman and all the characters in grey colour were under control by Ultra-Humanite when he took the power of the Thunderbolt. He used the Thunderbolt to insert brain implants into then and control them via this.

As such they were hardly reacting as a normal Superman would react since Ultra had to choose their moves. Controlling so many would have also made his reactions even slower.

No way in hell is post Crisis PG beating Superman with both going all out. For the first decade or so post crisis she was even more nerfed than bronze age. During this period (bronze age) she was basically action comics 38 Superman level. It wasn't till the latter part of the All Star comics revival (approaching modern age) when she could actually fly etc. Inf Inc (the scans shown by Leo) of her loosing to a stream of ruthlessness affected earth 2 Superman was when she was finally a fully powered earth 2 Kryptonian. Post crisis when she was retconned to be the grand daughter of Arion genetically altered by his magic her invulnerability didn't even protect her from Superman's heat vision. He was literally able to cut her with it to perform surgery.

Since Digi hasn't been on KMC for a while pretty sure I'm the only resident JSA fanboy so you can't assume I have a modicum of knowledge on the subject

I see. Thanks for the info. I really didn't remember anything by PG to put her on par with post crisis SM. But since somebody mentioned that she beat a superman. I had to try to find the issue and context. Now i see that context of that fight does prove she isn't equal to post crisis SM.

Originally posted by light889
Didn't see it her fight SM in issue 35. She did beat blue moon in 33. Blue moon said she was more powerful than superman when the moon is full. How accurate is that?

Ohh FYI the Blue Moon appearance your referencing was from Justice Society 35, 36 when Jay got the new Dr Fate to help the JSA. It's run started in 2006 or 2007.

The JSA series that Abhi referred to started its run mid 1999.

Originally posted by beatboks
Ohh FYI the Blue Moon appearance your referencing was from Justice Society 35, 36 when Jay got the new Dr Fate to help the JSA. It's run started in 2006 or 2007.

The JSA series that Abhi referred to started its run mid 1999.

Would you say is accurate that blue moon was more powerful than SM when PG beat her?

No, because she simply doesn't have the feats SM has

As DS said, no lacking feats.
This is literally why you can't rely on statements without feats to support them. Blue Moon might "believe" it to be the case while never having tested it to be sure.

Originally posted by beatboks
As DS said, no lacking feats.
This is literally why you can't rely on statements without feats to support them. Blue Moon might "believe" it to be the case while never having tested it to be sure.

I see. Thank you.

Great reasons above. Even bloodlusted and going all out Powergirl isn't a match for Superman.

Superman handliy

I just remembered something. Isn't there another fight where an aged superman fought Powergirl and still beat her?

Originally posted by light889
I just remembered something. Isn't there another fight where an aged superman fought Powergirl and still beat her?

Would be interesting to see it.

Originally posted by light889
I just remembered something. Isn't there another fight where an aged superman fought Powergirl and still beat her?

I don't know if Kal-L fought her another time, but during BLACKEST NIGHT Power Girl backed by the JSA did terribly against Blak Lantern Kal-L. Though he did have that regeneration thing, she had a ton of help.

Superman also did way better against Black Lantern Kal-L with less help. In fact not only was it just Superboy, but due to the events and Superboy having been dead before as well, there were times Conner turned against Superman and Superman had to fight them both, as well as times Superboy was temporarily out of the battle to fight against the influence Black Lanterns were having.

I do not know if Power Girl and Kal-L fought before, almost certainly would have been Pre-CRISIS unless it was a flashback scene or something similar. Maybe it happened during CONVERGENCE and I forgot.

As for the fight in JSA, to elaborate on a few things mentioned, they explicitly state that those under control are like puppets, and have none of the experience.

Here they explain how the braincaps work.

https://bit.ly/3eoSbEo

Talking about it gives direct access to their motor functions making them puppets. Says they're far less formidable.

And here Ultra-Humanite describes it as marionettes.

https://bit.ly/3g2vTsF

This page happens directly before Power Girl starts fighting Superman, reiterating they're puppets.

https://bit.ly/3ConKWH

So Superman is definitely less formidable, the writer made it clear. As for the KO, it's pretty much him repeatedly getting sucker punched and her last hit is after the braincap is dosabled. As you can see, people were dropped just from the braincap being disabled. It was tied directly to their nervous system.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman wins but Powergirl does extremely well.

Oh wait, you're serious?

Originally posted by Alex_Ferrana
Would be interesting to see it.
Its in All Star Squadron when they fought and Kal-L beat the crap out of her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its in All Star Squadron when they fought and Kal-L beat the crap out of her.

Pre-CRISIS?

Yes

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes

Thought so, thanks.