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Does any of the characters below have a similar showing to what Hulk did here that actually shows true dynamic power. Here Ironman with the armor of a Celestial is absorbing Hulks power while attacking him with the power of 100s of thousands exploding suns and Hulk power is increasing, getting stronger. I would like to see verbiage saying the person is getting more powerful. A clear indication of it.

https://i.ibb.co/rdrYjfr/Screenshot-20240521-160024-Samsung-Internet.png

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Thor
Surfer
Superman
Wonder Woman
Juggernaut
Spiderman
Captain Marvel (DC)
Orion
Lobo

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman has dynamic strength, just like a bunch of other characters. .

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm just going to say this:

Superman has dynamic strength. To say otherwise is either ignorance or lying.

Originally posted by Galan007
I've always believed Superman does have dynamic strength, and feel like his history supports that. It would be...eh...hard to change my mind there.

There's the verbiage.

Thor wasn't exactly wrong when he explained to Ororo how heroes could push themselves harder and harder and achieve impossible feats when the situation called for it.

Everyone has a dynamic strength of sorts.

Even Carver's grandma. Especially Carver's grandma. She stopped herself from drowning Carver in a puddle.

Where does it mention dynamic strength in this panel?

He's just replenishing the gamma radiation that they are stealing.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Where does it mention dynamic strength in this panel?

He's just replenishing the gamma radiation that they are stealing.


Lol... that's dynamic strength/power. He's becoming stronger and more powerful while getting his energy seeped from him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's the verbiage.

That's not how we do it here. Post scans, please.

Originally posted by -Pr-

But sure; let's start you off with an easy one. Or at least, it should be if what you're saying is true:

from Superman #152:

https://i.ibb.co/dW6vN41/week01-2000-Superman-V2-152-05.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
That's not how we do it here. Post scans, please.
Originally posted by Galan007
This is obvious to those of us who...you know...actually READ the story.


If Doomsday were the only being getting stronger as the battle progressed, then Superman wouldn't have been able to continuously keep stepping up in order to keep pace with him. After all, Supes postulated that a kick from Doomsday(when he was still at his WEAKEST levels, mind you) may have been the hardest he'd EVER been hit up to that point:
http://i.imgur.com/jJrjjUf.jpg


IOW, Doomsday's strength continued to grow, thus Superman's MUST HAVE done the same. Heck, the bulk of their battle was about Superman removing his mental blocks so that he COULD become strong enough to win. Numerous bits of dialogue tell us this -- here are a few examples:

http://i.imgur.com/Nxd0iKf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mAvpixa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uKuqAwD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/o8x55lF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Hd4RrZx.jpg



When Superman finally realized that he needed to kill Doomsday to win -- THAT is when he began landing attacks that actually hurt the beast. This culminated with Supes packing all of his strength into one final attack, which 'killed' DD:

http://i.imgur.com/sXfsGqT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Jerav8b.jpg

yep. the doomsday battle was what i was thinking of. pretty sure superman having dynamic strength should be a given by this point. the others on the list would be much more challenging than superman.

Spidey has his whole rising to the occasion stick, and Lobo has his multiversal explanation, Thor has his Warrior Madness but that's it I think?

Some more:
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, so now you just ignore the scans presented which explicitly TELL US that Superman's powers are dynamic? Nope, not going to let you off that easy:
http://i.imgur.com/754etNQ.jpg
(It's from AoS #636 if you care to look for yourself, since you read so many comics.)



You're trolling harder than normal lately. Just stop.

Originally posted by leonidas
yep. the doomsday battle was what i was thinking of. pretty sure superman having dynamic strength should be a given by this point. the others on the list would be much more challenging than superman.

Superman recently admitted he was getting weaker in his fight against Doomsday and that he had no energy.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman recently admitted he was getting weaker in his fight against Doomsday and that he had no energy.
So, how did he kill Doomsday carvster?

Doomsday was that weak, silly. Someone with no energy was able to kill him.

Sub Jarvis in there, and he'd have done the same.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomsday was that weak, silly. Someone with no energy was able to kill him.

Sub Jarvis in there, and he'd have done the same. Or better yet......Alfred.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, how did he kill Doomsday carvster?

Reserves. He used his remaining energy (like he said) to take out Doomsday. Superman was able to hurt Doomsday in that fight and I'm sure that played a factor in the ending results. Like I've said, Superman admitted he was near powerless at the end of his fight with Doomsday. You all would accept the statement (especially Dark) if it came from another character.

Originally posted by lawest9
Or better yet......Alfred.

Current dead Alfred could replicate what Superman did.

Originally posted by carver9
Reserves. He used his remaining energy (like he said) to take out Doomsday. Superman was able to hurt Doomsday in that fight and I'm sure that played a factor in the ending results. Like I've said, Superman admitted he was near powerless at the end of his fight with Doomsday. You all would accept the statement (especially Dark) if it came from another character.
But if Doomsday got stronger and Superman got weaker, how's Superman able to kill him on reserve power when he couldn't even hurt him at full power?

Originally posted by abhilegend
But if Doomsday got stronger and Superman got weaker, how's Superman able to kill him on reserve power when he couldn't even hurt him at full power?

I literally just told you why. Superman was able to hurt him which played a role in Doomsday losing. I don't get what the problem is. Superman literally mentioned recently that he was depleted of power when he fought Doomsday around the end of the battle.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Current dead Alfred could replicate what Superman did.

Recent showings is what matters, right Dark (Hulk withstand 100 hercs)?

Originally posted by carver9
Recent showings is what matters, right Dark (Hulk withstand 100 hercs)?

When did he withstand 100 Hercs? Scans.

Also, aren't YOU the one who always insists on only using last week's scan lmao.

We've already been through this. You said it's a magical attack based off later verbiage.

Originally posted by carver9
I literally just told you why. Superman was able to hurt him which played a role in Doomsday losing. I don't get what the problem is. Superman literally mentioned recently that he was depleted of power when he fought Doomsday around the end of the battle.
Didn't Superman only hurt Doomsday at the end of the battle?
https://ibb.co/RDy53s4

I.E, Superman still keeps up with Doomsday when DD is getting stronger
And actually starts killing Doomsday(as when he hurts Doomsday, he then kills Doomsday in a short time). So like Abhi said, if Doomsday gets stronger over time and Superman is getting weaker, how's Superman able to hurt and kill him on reserve power when he couldn't even hurt him at full power?

Originally posted by carver9
We've already been through this. You said it's a magical attack based off later verbiage.

Not me - mod ruling
It's called learning from new information

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't Superman only hurt Doomsday at the end of the battle?
https://ibb.co/RDy53s4

I.E, Superman still keeps up with Doomsday when DD is getting stronger
And actually starts killing Doomsday(as when he hurts Doomsday, he then kills Doomsday in a short time). So like Abhi said, if Doomsday gets stronger over time and Superman is getting weaker, how's Superman able to hurt and kill him on reserve power when he couldn't even hurt him at full power?

Wait, characters beating stronger opponents doesn't exist? This is only a Superman trait?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not me - mod ruling
It's called learning from new information

You started it. 😄

Originally posted by carver9
Wait, characters beating stronger opponents doesn't exist? This is only a Superman trait?
But the point is, what you said actually didn't counter what Abhi and Galan said there

Originally posted by carver9
You started it. 😄

?????

You're the one always laughing at old scans, saying they're older than your grandma. You KNOW I've got your posts ready to be quoted....

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But the point is, what you said actually didn't counter what Abhi and Galan said there

I didn't say anything, Superman did, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't say anything, Superman did, lol.

So you didn't counter anything from the scans posted.

Lol... I don't have to say anything, Superman literally said he had NOTHING in the tank...

https://i.ibb.co/ZmrtgsJ/Screenshot-20230831-215251-Chrome.png

Any other Marvel character, you would be drooling over this statement.

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't say anything, Superman did, lol.
Which I don't see the contradictions here? I.E, what Superman said doesn't really change the facts listed by Galan and Abhi(which proved Superman has dynamic strength)

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Which I don't see the contradictions here? I.E, what Superman said doesn't really change the facts listed by Galan and Abhi(which proved Superman has dynamic strength)

Read above, please. I'm not neglecting he has it or not but going by what Superman is saying, that scene isn't a display of dynamic strength.

Originally posted by carver9
I literally just told you why. Superman was able to hurt him which played a role in Doomsday losing. I don't get what the problem is. Superman literally mentioned recently that he was depleted of power when he fought Doomsday around the end of the battle.
Superman was only able to hurt him at the end of the fight, he literally says "Finally, I've managed to hurt him".

https://i.imgur.com/sXfsGqT.jpg

Are you illiterate?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was only able to hurt him at the end of the fight, he literally says "Finally, I've managed to hurt him".

https://i.imgur.com/sXfsGqT.jpg

Are you illiterate?

Which means he had enough strength to accomplish a goal. The fight went downhill for both after that. There's no other way around it. Superman even admitted in the older scenes that his legs were feeling wobbly. Are you saying Superman is lying above when he said he was tired and drained?

Originally posted by carver9
Read above, please. I'm not neglecting he has it or not but going by what Superman is saying, that scene isn't a display of dynamic strength.
Yeah I read it, mutilple times actually, since you brought up the scan quite often and I was pretty sure you were referring to the scan in this thread(before you even posted it)

Which is why I kind of baffled how this scan related to what Galan and Abhi said here?

I mean, Doomsday can be tired out from the hurts it gets(provide it's potential enough, such in Superman case). Doesn't mean Doomsday doesn't have dynamic strength

Originally posted by carver9
Which means he had enough strength to accomplish a goal. The fight went downhill for both after that. There's no other way around it. Superman even admitted in the older scenes that his legs were feeling wobbly. Are you saying Superman is lying above when he said he was tired and drained?

He had enough strength whilst having nothing left?

Carver, are you drunk

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah I read it, mutilple times actually, since you brought up the scan quite often and I was pretty sure you were referring to the scan in this thread(before you even posted it)

Which is why I kind of baffled how this scan related to what Galan and Abhi said here?

I mean, Doomsday can be tired out from the hurts it gets(provide it's potential enough, such in Superman case). Doesn't mean Doomsday doesn't have dynamic strength

Who said anything about Doomsday? I said Superman doesn't. Just to dig deeper into this. This scene match Superman vs Doomsday perfectly. Ben during the fight is unable to hurt Hulk. He admits that Hulk is stronger and bigger than him. He even screams out that he gave it all he got and that he was about to black out. The last punch defeated the mind controlled Hulk that was bigger, stronger, and more powerful. Does Ben have dynamic strength?

https://i.ibb.co/Yh4wVmZ/Screenshot-20240522-141647-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/S7JvKgG/Screenshot-20240522-141659-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/W0JcYnP/Screenshot-20240522-141730-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/FWwhTwW/Screenshot-20240522-141804-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hBt3hcX/Screenshot-20240522-141825-Chrome.jpg

Please answer with a yes or no

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He had enough strength whilst having nothing left?

Carver, are you drunk

Does Ben have dynamic strength?

Originally posted by carver9
Does Ben have dynamic strength?

No. Because he didn't defeat the bigger stronger more powerful Hulk. Hulk was mind controlled there.

Or are you saying it's a valid victory for Ben? Hmmm. Although, if we are to take statements as true, it literally says the fight isn't about Brawn, but Heart.

That's IF we are taking the scans as they are.

With regards to your Superman scan.....

You want to take it at face value, yes? You are saying he had nothing left in the tank, correct?

Originally posted by carver9
Which means he had enough strength to accomplish a goal. The fight went downhill for both after that. There's no other way around it. Superman even admitted in the older scenes that his legs were feeling wobbly. Are you saying Superman is lying above when he said he was tired and drained?
Funny you mentioned that....
Before the end of fight, Superman already was tiring out, yet, he can't hurt/weaken Doomsday a bit
https://ibb.co/4SLVGfr

And keep in mind that Doomsday was getting stronger throughout this fight
Originally posted by Galan007


Logical deduction aside, it was also outright stated that Doomsday's strength continuously increased during the battle -- which obviously means Superman's strength did the same:

http://i.imgur.com/nwAdaF5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RuUWlrF.jpg



...........http://i.imgur.com/dF1BQKO.jpg





*In short, your point/opinion here is the accurate one.
Yet, at the end of fight, Superman punches a fully unhurt Doomsday to death in space of a few pages while before that Superman can't even hurt Doomsday in multiple issues
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanvsDoomsdayFinal14.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanvsDoomsdayFinal15.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanvsDoomsdayFinal16.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanvsDoomsdayFinal17.jpg

In short, whether Superman is tired out at the end of fight or not isn't the point. The point is Superman's drastic change in power levels(I.E, dynamic strength)

Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about Doomsday? I said Superman doesn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm just going to say this:

Superman has dynamic strength. To say otherwise is either ignorance or lying.



Round and round we go,

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No. Because he didn't defeat the bigger stronger more powerful Hulk. Hulk was mind controlled there.

Or are you saying it's a valid victory for Ben? Hmmm. Although, if we are to take statements as true, it literally says the fight isn't about Brawn, but Heart.

That's IF we are taking the scans as they are.

With regards to your Superman scan.....

You want to take it at face value, yes? You are saying he had nothing left in the tank, correct?

He couldn't beat this version of Hulk before, mind controlled or not, he was still getting destroyed.

Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about Doomsday? I said Superman doesn't. Just to dig deeper into this. This scene match Superman vs Doomsday perfectly. Ben during the fight is unable to hurt Hulk. He admits that Hulk is stronger and bigger than him. He even screams out that he gave it all he got and that he was about to black out. The last punch defeated the mind controlled Hulk that was bigger, stronger, and more powerful. Does Ben have dynamic strength?

Isn't that sort of in line with Superman and Doomsday's case?
See above, Superman is unable to hurt Doomsday throughout multiple issues.
Yet, at the end of fight, a battered Superman punches Doomsday to death in like 4 pages. While Doomsday was getting stronger before the end of this fight

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Isn't that sort of in line with Superman and Doomsday's case?
See above, Superman is unable to hurt Doomsday throughout multiple issues.
Yet, at the end of fight, a battered Superman punches Doomsday to death in like 4 pages. While Doomsday was getting stronger before the end of this fight

Lol... yes, that's my point. Ben doesn't have dynamic strength.

Originally posted by carver9
He couldn't beat this version of Hulk before, mind controlled or not, he was still getting destroyed.

Oh. Sounds like PIS, then. Because you're now saying....Ben *didn't* win a clear victory here?

Either he did, or he didn't. And either Hulk is more powerful in this comic, or he isn't.

If he IS more powerful (and I agree with you, Carvy!) then it can't possibly be a clear victory for Ben. Unless....it's PIS. Nice scans, though.

But as I was asking:

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... yes, that's my point. Ben doesn't have dynamic strength.
So...you're saying it's simultaneously is dynamic strength(increase in power levels) but not dynamic strength?

Does that make sense to you, Carver?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. Sounds like PIS, then. Because you're now saying....Ben *didn't* win a clear victory here?

Either he did, or he didn't. And either Hulk is more powerful in this comic, or he isn't.

If he IS more powerful (and I agree with you, Carvy!) then it can't possibly be a clear victory for Ben. Unless....it's PIS. Nice scans, though.

But as I was asking:

That's just ONE of the scenes with a far weaker, near depleted of power character beats a stronger, far more powerful character. Ben admitted during the fight Hulk was more powerful and stronger (even while mind controlled), and he still managed to beat him. Hulk at one point said he couldn't feel Thing punches. That he gave it all he got. That he was on the verge of blacken out. Physical damage and a hole in his face. Lol... the point is, shit like this happens all of the time. That does not mean a character has dynamic power. 🤣🤣

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So...you're saying it's simultaneously is dynamic strength(increase in power levels) but not dynamic strength?

Does that make sense to you, Carver?

No, what I'm saying is, the heroes win and a hero defeating the enemy while beaten up and bruised is pretty freaking common in all stories.

Originally posted by carver9
That's just ONE of the scenes with a far weaker, near depleted of power character beats a stronger, far more powerful character. Ben admitted during the fight Hulk was more powerful and stronger (even while mind controlled), and he still managed to beat him. Hulk at one point said he couldn't feel Thing punches. That he gave it all he got. That he was on the verge of blacken out. Physical damage and a hole in his face. Lol... the point is, shit like this happens all of the time. That does not mean a character has dynamic power. 🤣🤣
Originally posted by carver9
No, what I'm saying is, the heroes win and a hero defeating the enemy while beaten up and bruised is pretty freaking common in all stories.
So....what is the point for you posting this?
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I don't have to say anything, Superman literally said he had NOTHING in the tank...

https://i.ibb.co/ZmrtgsJ/Screenshot-20230831-215251-Chrome.png

Any other Marvel character, you would be drooling over this statement.
I mean, it sounds whether or not Superman is tired out at the end of fight doesn't contradict anything about dynamic strength.

Basically what I said before, it seems you were just randomly throwing around scans but not had an actual argument

He is tired, depleted, and out of strength as per his own admission. It's literally right there on page for you coming directly from his own mouth.

Originally posted by carver9
He is tired, depleted, and out of strength as per his own admission. It's literally right there on page for you coming directly from his own mouth.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

In short, whether Superman is tired out at the end of fight or not isn't the point. The point is Superman's drastic change in power levels(I.E, dynamic strength)

Originally posted by carver9
He is tired, depleted, and out of strength as per his own admission. It's literally right there on page for you coming directly from his own mouth.
OK, you want to take it at face value - he had NOTHING in the tank.
So can we substitute The Penguin in there? Riddler? Alfred? Dead Alfred?

You are so hung up on this, you don't realise the stupidity of focussing on the hyperbole of it all.
Do you literally think that Superman had NOTHING (emphasis) left? Don't try to be a coward, stand up for your beliefs here. You read those words and think yes, Superman had NOTHING left?

This is obviously false, as he could literally still swing his arms around. He could obviously still kill Doomsday. Their last punch could still send shockwaves around the planet or whatever.

Or are you saying Superman, at 0% power, is capable of doing all that? Pretty powerful, indeed.

The point here is that at that moment, he WAS at 0% power, then suddenly ramped up to 100%/X%and killed Doomsday.

Because YOUR logic, is that Superman at 0% power, can kill Doomsday. If you want to argue that Doomsday was weakened by then, sure - could Aunt May, at that instant, also oneshot Doomsday? Remember, Doomsday also has dynamic strength- or are you quibbling that too now?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998


Or reserves. Couldn't be anything dynamic since he died right after that last punch. Another scene of a character down, out, and bruised taking out a more powerful opponent...

https://i.ibb.co/qmc0bpQ/main-qimg-c87969f6ea34af30dd784999ec9d464b-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/6YWwww5/main-qimg-5fe84c4eeb6ef4cf366b802cac8e837f-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/HKk4ZYj/main-qimg-f580ec22f2e61314b038a0fab1501628-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/TPd5Rz2/main-qimg-b5f15c4a07af357021747d15d29e9568-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/XYHr2J9/main-qimg-8e5cf67ec874b2bde721ecd9ac73cc72-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/BtXxD8m/main-qimg-c8334f52178f26378e0a0a4efbbac6cd-lq.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Or reserves. Couldn't be anything dynamic since he died right after that last punch. Another scene of a character down, out, and bruised taking out a more powerful opponent...

But your scan literally says NOTHING left in the tank. It can't be reserves.

So what is it?

(I will address the Thor scan later).

Originally posted by carver9
Or reserves. Couldn't be anything dynamic since he died right after that last punch. Another scene of a character down, out, and bruised taking out a more powerful opponent...

Yet, Superman, while at his full power(at the beginning of their fight), can't hurt/weaken Doomsday. While Doomsday is getting stronger
But Superman kills it by his reserves in 4 pages?

So by this logic, a 100% Superman can't hurt a 100% Doomsday. But later, a 1% Superman kills a 1000% Doomsday in like a few punches?

Does this make sense to you?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OK, you want to take it at face value - he had NOTHING in the tank.
So can we substitute The Penguin in there? Riddler? Alfred? Dead Alfred?

You are so hung up on this, you don't realise the stupidity of focussing on the hyperbole of it all.
Do you literally think that Superman had NOTHING (emphasis) left? Don't try to be a coward, stand up for your beliefs here. You read those words and think yes, Superman had NOTHING left?

This is obviously false, as he could literally still swing his arms around. He could obviously still kill Doomsday. Their last punch could still send shockwaves around the planet or whatever.

Or are you saying Superman, at 0% power, is capable of doing all that? Pretty powerful, indeed.

The point here is that at that moment, he WAS at 0% power, then suddenly ramped up to 100%/X%and killed Doomsday.

Because YOUR logic, is that Superman at 0% power, can kill Doomsday. If you want to argue that Doomsday was weakened by then, sure - could Aunt May, at that instant, also oneshot Doomsday? Remember, Doomsday also has dynamic strength- or are you quibbling that too now?

Superman definition of Nothing is obviously different than a human definition of Nothing. I don't know why you keep comparing him to a human when that is obviously not the case. Going from 100 to 0 instantly doesn't even make sense. Especially considering the last punch killing both and Doomsday going all out the entire time. He compared his tiredness to a human. Exhausted, etc... and even while tired, we are still never at zero. I'm seeing it as him saying he has nothing left to continue fighting, but he is tired, drained, and exhausted and gave everything he had left in that final blow that killed both of them.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yet, Superman, while at his full power(at the beginning of their fight), can't hurt/weaken Doomsday. While Doomsday is getting stronger
But Superman kills it by his reserves in 4 pages?

So by this logic, a 100% Superman can't hurt a 100% Doomsday. But later, a 1% Superman kills a 1000% Doomsday in like a few punches?

Does this make sense to you?

Or Superman was holding back and became serious when he knew what was at stake (and him being the only hero standing). Just like the Ben scans I posted. When he was fresh and at 100%, he couldn't hurt Hulk, but when he knew what the cost was, while hurt, exhausted, near passing out, he was able to knock out Hulk. The scene is literally identical to the Superman and Doomsday fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Or Superman was holding back and became serious when he knew what was at stake (and him being the only hero standing). Just like the Ben scans I posted. When he was fresh and at 100%, he couldn't hurt Hulk, but when he knew what the cost was, while hurt, exhausted, near passing out, he was able to knock out Hulk. The scene is literally identical to the Superman and Doomsday fight.
By this logic, isn't the scan on the topic also can be argued with Hulk isn't a true dynamic strength, but rather, just he starts using more power?

Edit:
Plus, it kind of moot point, no? Since like posted before, Superman's power depends on his mental state
I.E, if he is in a situation that he feels he needs to give everything he has to stop a dangerous opponent(and in this case, Doomsday), his stress would increase, and thus, his solar power absorbing level/his power levels
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, so now you just ignore the scans presented which explicitly TELL US that Superman's powers are dynamic? Nope, not going to let you off that easy:
http://i.imgur.com/754etNQ.jpg
(It's from AoS #636 if you care to look for yourself, since you read so many comics.)



You're trolling harder than normal lately. Just stop.

Originally posted by carver9
Or Superman was holding back and became serious when he knew what was at stake (and him being the only hero standing). Just like the Ben scans I posted. When he was fresh and at 100%, he couldn't hurt Hulk, but when he knew what the cost was, while hurt, exhausted, near passing out, he was able to knock out Hulk. The scene is literally identical to the Superman and Doomsday fight.

So an all out Ben is able to oneshot the Hulk? Good to know.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman definition of Nothing is obviously different than a human definition of Nothing. I don't know why you keep comparing him to a human when that is obviously not the case. Going from 100 to 0 instantly doesn't even make sense. Especially considering the last punch killing both and Doomsday going all out the entire time. He compared his tiredness to a human. Exhausted, etc... and even while tired, we are still never at zero. I'm seeing it as him saying he has nothing left to continue fighting, but he is tired, drained, and exhausted and gave everything he had left in that final blow that killed both of them.

So the scan is wrong then, he DID have something left in the tank. Not NOTHING.

HMM.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So an all out Ben is able to oneshot the Hulk? Good to know.

There we have it, guys. Full Capacity, Ben Grimm can oneshot Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So the scan is wrong then, he DID have something left in the tank. Not NOTHING.

HMM.

Nothing in the sense of a super human like him, but not aunt may, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There we have it, guys. Full Capacity, Ben Grimm can oneshot Hulk.

You read what you want to read. I literally told you that Ben beat a MIND CONTROLLED Hulk who was still stronger and more powerful than him.

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing in the sense of a super human like him, but not aunt may, lol.

He literally says he's tired, not in the way superhumans are, but like humans are. He has nothing left. We. ARE accepting the scan, right?

Like you said, it's not YOUR words, it's Superman's. He literally says he has NOTHING (your emphasis).

Or are you saying the words are wrong now
Originally posted by carver9
You read what you want to read. I literally told you that Ben beat a MIND CONTROLLED Hulk who was still stronger and more powerful than him.

Well then Ben obviously only beat him because Hulk was compromised, then. The scan literally tells us how brawn (i.e. strength) has nothing to do with it.

Good scan though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He literally says he's tired, not in the way superhumans are, but like humans are. He has nothing left. We. ARE accepting the scan, right?

Like you said, it's not YOUR words, it's Superman's. He literally says he has NOTHING (your emphasis).

Or are you saying the words are wrong now


Well then Ben obviously only beat him because Hulk was compromised, then. The scan literally tells us how brawn (i.e. strength) has nothing to do with it.

Good scan though.


The scan stays. The plot of the story match other stories from heros vs the villains.

What I'm literally telling you is while compromised, Hulk was still stronger and more powerful than Ben and withstood everything Ben threw at him with a smile. Again, compromised Hulk>>>>Ben and Ben was still able to knock Hulk out at the end. He would've died if he didn't.

Originally posted by carver9
The scan stays. The plot of the story match other stories from heros vs the villains.

What I'm literally telling you is while compromised, Hulk was still stronger and more powerful than Ben and withstood everything Ben threw at him with a smile. Again, compromised Hulk>>>>Ben and Ben was still able to knock Hulk out at the end. He would've died if he didn't.
Yes, like I said, good scan.

So remind me, since you said this:
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't say anything, Superman did, lol.

And the scan CLEARLY states he has NOTHING left in the tank lmao.

This you, right?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I don't have to say anything, Superman literally said he had NOTHING in the tank....

So he kills Doomsday with NOTHING in the tank (except you now say he had reserves).

Which is it? He has reserves, or he has NOTHING in the tank?

He even says he's tired like how humans are tired, with nothing in the tank, lmao. So there's your point about superhumans (lol) shot down by your own scan.

Good scan, Carvy. Superman at 0% can kill Doomsday and shatter windows and set off earthquakes around the world etc etc.

I'm so confused now lol. How are they not all examples of dynamic strength?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I'm so confused now lol. How are they not all examples of dynamic strength?

Adrenaline rush. Whatever you want to call it. Every character has displayed this. It's not the kind of dynamic strength Hulk has. Not even close.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Spidey has his whole rising to the occasion stick, and Lobo has his multiversal explanation, Thor has his Warrior Madness but that's it I think?

Adrenaline gives all of us dynamic strength, if you want to get technical.

And in comics it obviously does miracles of a greater degree.

I don't think you know what "one shot" mean, Diesl".

He thinks that's what happens when he jizzes on the Men's Health magazine with Henry Cavill on its cover and goes to sleep

I have a question for anyone who can help me, how do you unblock someone on your ignore list?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He thinks that's what happens when he jizzes on the Men's Health magazine with Henry Cavill on its cover and goes to sleep

Originally posted by lawest9
I have a question for anyone who can help me, how do you unblock someone on your ignore list?

Click on user CP at the top, then press on edit ignore list. Remove who you want from your ignore list and hit save.

Originally posted by carver9
Click on user CP at the top, then press on edit ignore list. Remove who you want from your ignore list and hit save. Thank you Carv, instructions were successful.

Originally posted by carver9
Which means he had enough strength to accomplish a goal. The fight went downhill for both after that. There's no other way around it. Superman even admitted in the older scenes that his legs were feeling wobbly. Are you saying Superman is lying above when he said he was tired and drained?
How did he get that strength when he had nothing in the tank as you said?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How did he get that strength when he had nothing in the tank as you said?

I don't know. Maybe because of the same reason Danger stomped the entire Xmen including Beast and a more powerful Danger gets wrecked by Beast in later issues...

https://i.ibb.co/cLqNP0v/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bKCTHYp/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/VDMqWyT/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-3.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/BgFtxMN/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/09j8vWY/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-5.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/r5vG16G/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-1-e1517060419924.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/61jd3Zb/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/gwSfB8D/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-3.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/VgSbXTx/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/b7c1mWZ/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-5-e1517060445611.jpg

Beast has dynamic strength as well.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't know. Maybe because of the same reason Danger stomped the entire Xmen including Beast and a more powerful Danger gets wrecked by Beast in later issues...

https://i.ibb.co/cLqNP0v/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bKCTHYp/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/VDMqWyT/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-3.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/BgFtxMN/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/09j8vWY/danger-vs-the-astonishing-x-men-5.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/r5vG16G/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-1-e1517060419924.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/61jd3Zb/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/gwSfB8D/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-3.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/VgSbXTx/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/b7c1mWZ/beast-vs-danger-astonishing-x-men-5-e1517060445611.jpg

Beast has dynamic strength as well. how

Lol Carver knows he's backed himself into a corner.

Superman literally had nothing in the tank. Beast, Thing, Thor, none of them have statements saying they had NOTHING left.

Good scan, Carvy.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman recently admitted he was getting weaker in his fight against Doomsday and that he had no energy.]


Originally posted by carver9
Reserves. He used his remaining energy (like he said) to take out Doomsday. ..... Like I've said, Superman admitted he was near powerless at the end of his fight with Doomsday. You all would accept the statement (especially Dark) if it came from another character.

Which is it, Carv? He had no energy, but had some energy, had no power but was near powerless?

Tell me which it is. Your stance seems to..... dynamically shift.

the dd stuff is....a red herring at this point? we have been told, EXPLICITLY, that superman's energy levels are altered by his stress levels. how exactly is that NOT entirely analogous to the hulk...?

We've also been told Doomsday's strength is also dependent on his emotional levels.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't know. Maybe because of the same reason Danger stomped the entire Xmen including Beast and a more powerful Danger gets wrecked by Beast in later issues...



Beast has dynamic strength as well.
https://i.imgur.com/V0WED1r.jpeg

Originally posted by carver9
Adrenaline rush. Whatever you want to call it. Every character has displayed this. It's not the kind of dynamic strength Hulk has. Not even close.

Why are you lying?

What is the official definition of 'dynamic strength'? We need to establish this definition before any debate can proceed.

I propose two definitions:

1. Maximum mental strength: The peak strength one can exert using "all" of their effort.

2. Dynamic strength: The ability for one's "maximum mental strength" to increase by at least 100% (2 times more) due to the ability to draw more power from an external power source.

Here are two examples of dynamic strength.

Hulk initially fails to lift a weight despite exerting his full effort. However, an hour later, after becoming significantly angrier, he successfully lifts something 4 times as heavy.

Similarly, Superman struggles to lift a weight using his full effort, but later manages to lift something 8 times as heavy upon seeing Lois in mortal danger."

Van you give examples of Superman and Hulk failing to lift something and then lifting it moments later? Thanks

You can just do Superman if you want since my initial post about Hulk showed him getting more powerful by the second.

How about Superman oneshotting the Chained etc?

Originally posted by carver9
Van you give examples of Superman and Hulk failing to lift something and then lifting it moments later? Thanks

You can just do Superman if you want since my initial post about Hulk showed him getting more powerful by the second.

Doesn't have to be lifting. It can be striking, pulling, etc.
Superman punches DD with all of his might for hours without hurting DD. Then suddenly, after Superman drops mental blocks, goes being able to hurt DD to killing him in a few moments.

Superman fights a probe for hours and is shown using all of his might without damaging the probe.
Then later, after training and meditation, he is seen one shoting probes like tissue paper.

Hulk has failed to lift Onslaught and failed to damage Onslaught. But after Jean mind shenanigans, Hulk is able to overpower Onslaught and damage his shell.

I'm pretty sure there are many other examples.

Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't have to be lifting. It can be striking, pulling, etc.
Superman punches DD with all of his might for hours without hurting DD. Then suddenly, after Superman drops mental blocks, goes being able to hurt DD to killing him in a few moments.

For the record, I think Superman has dynamic strength...

But I do think the underlined parts of this sound pretty contradictory. And run counter to what "dynamic" means.

Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't have to be lifting. It can be striking, pulling, etc.
Superman punches DD with all of his might for hours without hurting DD. Then suddenly, after Superman drops mental blocks, goes being able to hurt DD to killing him in a few moments.

Superman fights a probe for hours and is shown using all of his might without damaging the probe.
Then later, after training and meditation, he is seen one shoting probes like tissue paper.

Hulk has failed to lift Onslaught and failed to damage Onslaught. But after Jean mind shenanigans, Hulk is able to overpower Onslaught and damage his shell.

I'm pretty sure there are many other examples.

Thing punched Hulk throughout this comic without hurting him, moments later, he makes Hulk bleed and then knocks him out. Does Thing have dynamic strength or does showings like this only apply to Superman?

https://i.ibb.co/Yh4wVmZ/Screenshot-20240522-141647-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/S7JvKgG/Screenshot-20240522-141659-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/W0JcYnP/Screenshot-20240522-141730-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/FWwhTwW/Screenshot-20240522-141804-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hBt3hcX/Screenshot-20240522-141825-Chrome.jpg

Also, when did Hulk fail to hurt Onslaught? All Jean did was turn Hulk into Savage Hulk. Banner Hulk didn't have the "get stronger while madder" powerset.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. Sounds like PIS, then. Because you're now saying....Ben *didn't* win a clear victory here?

Either he did, or he didn't. And either Hulk is more powerful in this comic, or he isn't.

If he IS more powerful (and I agree with you, Carvy!) then it can't possibly be a clear victory for Ben. Unless....it's PIS. Nice scans, though.

But as I was asking:

Can the same be said about Superman vs Doomsday? If not, why.

Originally posted by carver9
Can the same be said about Superman vs Doomsday? If not, why.

No, it cannot. Because Superman has dynamic strength.

Does Ben Grimm have Reed saying things like this?

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, so now you just ignore the scans presented which explicitly TELL US that Superman's powers are dynamic? Nope, not going to let you off that easy:
http://i.imgur.com/754etNQ.jpg
(It's from AoS #636 if you care to look for yourself, since you read so many comics.)



You're trolling harder than normal lately. Just stop.

Remember, it cannot be reserves, because as you say:

Originally posted by carver9
Superman recently admitted he was getting weaker in his fight against Doomsday and that he had no energy.

No energy. 0.

Posting the Chained (amongst others) fight:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman gets angry, oneshots his villains (including the Chained). Lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/MfTDMRBZ/17-6.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PpKy5KPF/19-3.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/jCdvFV1V/20-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/6Tjzsjs8/21-6.jpg

Nobody wants an angry Superman. Note this is after he's been weakened by green K:

https://i.postimg.cc/VNSZw8km/15-8.jpg

Insane dynamic strength.

Previously, the Chained was this big bad who needed the entire Super Family to take down, IIRC.

Your first scan from Galan is relevant but your second ones are not for a number of reasons (since Wolverine, Spiderman, Batman, etc... have scenes of taking out their entire Rogue gallery when pissed).

Galan scan is saying Supes is keeping possession of his solar energy. Even though this is mostly verbiage, him retaining/keeping his energy isn't what I'm discussing here. I'm saying he doesn't get stronger. He has a cap on his strength. There's a difference. Also, I don't know why your arguing with me about a scene that mentions Superman energy levels being near depleted. It's literally on panel. Either Superman was lying (and I don't consider him a liar) or Doomsday was also weakened.

Let me show you an example of dynamic strength using Hulk and Superman, lol...

Thing has heart force. Sometimes it makes parts of his fights a little PIS-y. Either way, it has no bearing on Superman.

Originally posted by carver9

Galan scan is saying Supes is keeping possession of his solar energy. Re-read the scan. It says that more stress = more storage.

This is what I was trying to say was wrong about h1's description. It's not just about mental blocks over his strength. Superman accesses a power supply that increases over the course of a fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Your first scan from Galan is relevant but your second ones are not for a number of reasons (since Wolverine, Spiderman, Batman, etc... have scenes of taking out their entire Rogue gallery when pissed).

Galan scan is saying Supes is keeping possession of his solar energy. Even though this is mostly verbiage, him retaining/keeping his energy isn't what I'm discussing here. I'm saying he doesn't get stronger. He has a cap on his strength. There's a difference. Also, I don't know why your arguing with me about a scene that mentions Superman energy levels being near depleted. It's literally on panel. Either Superman was lying (and I don't consider him a liar) or Doomsday was also weakened.

Not near depleted. He had nothing. Which meant Doomsday was soooooo weak, someone with zero energy left could kill him. Literally on panel:

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I don't have to say anything, Superman literally said he had NOTHING in the tank...

https://i.ibb.co/ZmrtgsJ/Screenshot-20230831-215251-Chrome.png

Any other Marvel character, you would be drooling over this statement.

Thanks for the scan!

So if we take it at face value, using your logic, Superman killed Doomsday with no energy left. Which means....Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Jarvis, any one of them could have killed Doomsday there.

Assuming Superman didn't dynamically ramp up, you see.

Originally posted by Smurph
Re-read the scan. It says that more stress = more storage.

This is what I was trying to say was wrong about h1's description. It's not just about mental blocks over his strength. Superman accesses a power supply that increases over the course of a fight.

Like getting a bigger phone battery, the harder you use it.

Brainiac absorbs Superman power which leaves him depleted of energy.

https://i.ibb.co/QHdTCr4/Screenshot-20240626-171510-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/vwkKPBX/Screenshot-20240626-171718-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/xJf24R0/Screenshot-20240626-172344-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/G0QwcT8/Screenshot-20240626-172409-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/rffKB1p/Screenshot-20240626-172630-Samsung-Internet.jpg

Hulk is getting his power absorbed but is becoming far more powerful.

https://ibb.co/KKvdPzv

Huge difference here

Originally posted by carver9
Brainiac absorbs Superman power which leaves him depleted of energy.

Hulk is getting his power absorbed but is becoming far more powerful.

https://ibb.co/KKvdPzv

Huge difference here

Lol your scan actually shows his powers ramping back up (Lobo tells him to get up to speed). A few pages later:
https://i.postimg.cc/Xvg44cZH/14-9.jpg

A good show of dynamic strength, no sun needed here. Superman just ramped up back to his usual strength levels. Bear in mind the Brainiac Queen was still draining him in battle:

https://i.postimg.cc/wM1pXCwZ/10-8.jpg

Proof he was 'fully back':

https://i.postimg.cc/KcCz9ftB/06-4.jpg

Now. we know Brainiac didn't keep any suns handy around to recharge him - yet here he is.

How do you square this fine comic, carver? He was drained, depleted of energy. There were no suns nearby. Yet a few panels later, he is at full strength.

Dynamic. Or are you wrong, and he *wasn't* depleted, lol. Same way he had NOTHING left, was tired as normal humans get tired, yet could still kill Doomsday?

Lol... the argument ISNT him getting back to his normal strength over time. True dynamic strength, he wouldn't have been drained in the first place. There's more showings like this, a lot more. Heck, there's showings of him being drained so much, that he completely lost his powers for a while. Also, that was a stressful situation he was in, so he should've been able to ramp up easily there. His family was being hurt.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... the argument ISNT him getting back to his normal strength over time. True dynamic strength, he wouldn't have been drained in the first place. There's more showings like this, a lot more. Heck, there's showings of him being drained so much, that he completely lost his powers for a while. Also, that was a stressful situation he was in, so he should've been able to ramp up easily there. His family was being hurt.

He...did? He was using HV etc. like I said, it wasn't like he was powerless after being released.

Am also confused as to why TONY'S failure has a bearing on BRAINIAC'S success?

So explain how in your scans he's depleted, yet at full power a couple of pages later? Where's this energy coming from?

Same question, where did he have the energy to kill Doomsday? He had nothing, remember.

All of them got their powers back. Superboy, Supergirl, Superman... every single one of them and they were all depleted of power, lmmfao. So I'm guessing we are handing out dynamic strength to everyone?

If I'm starving, so hungry that I can barely stand.....then fight 12 rounds against Mike Tyson, and at the end of the 12 rounds am at 100%, without any external amps like burgerdipping(lol).

Is that not dynamic strength?

Originally posted by carver9
All of them got their powers back. Superboy, Supergirl, Superman... every single one of them and they were all depleted of power, lmmfao. So I'm guessing we are handing out dynamic strength to everyone?

So explain it. You're the one who brought it into this thread....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If I'm starving, so hungry that I can barely stand.....then fight 12 rounds against Mike Tyson, and at the end of the 12 rounds am at 100%, without any external amps like burgerdipping(lol).

Is that not dynamic strength?



So explain it. You're the one who brought it into this thread....

Yes, it's a small form of dynamic strength. As long as we agree that Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy doesn't go from 100 to 200 based off emotions, I'm cool because that is my argument.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, it's a small form of dynamic strength. As long as we agree that Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy doesn't go from 100 to 200 based off emotions, I'm cool because that is my argument.

Supergirl and Superboy had power dampeners

https://i.postimg.cc/sgT1JrmD/07-5.jpg

Superman didn't have his power negated. As Brainiac says, it's not just sunlight that gives him energy:
https://i.postimg.cc/CMb1QD72/14-1.png

Where, if not his emotional state (i.e. the love for his family)? Is Brainiac, level 12 master intelligence (or whatever DC call it lol) making stuff up?

Almost had me there. All of them were getting their powers drained the same time Superman was getting sapped up.

https://i.ibb.co/nr2CB8g/Screenshot-20240626-182402-Samsung-Internet.png


https://i.ibb.co/vDJPxRH/Screenshot-20240626-182621-Samsung-Internet.png


Nice try though.

Wait, did the comics state they had their full powers back like Superman had?

Originally posted by carver9
Almost had me there. All of them were getting their powers drained the same time Superman was getting sapped up.

https://i.ibb.co/nr2CB8g/Screenshot-20240626-182402-Samsung-Internet.png


https://i.ibb.co/vDJPxRH/Screenshot-20240626-182621-Samsung-Internet.png


Nice try though.
Also, doesn't this only prove that Kryptonians all have dynamic strength?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wait, did the comics state they had their full powers back like Superman had?


I'm basing this primarily off of Supergirl and Superboy not being able to fly or shoot lasers before to them being able to one punch kill Brainiacs. I do think Brainiac sucks but is it to this level? There's also other kryptonians there that didn't even get any type of exposure to sunlight flying around shooting lasers out of their eyes...

https://i.ibb.co/Rzrh7hq/Screenshot-20240626-183321-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/L93YMR0/Screenshot-20240626-183348-Samsung-Internet.png

Originally posted by carver9
I'm basing this primarily off of Supergirl and Superboy not being able to fly or shoot lasers before to them being able to one punch kill Brainiacs. I do think Brainiac sucks but is it to this level? There's also other kryptonians there that didn't even get any type of exposure to sunlight flying around shooting lasers out of their eyes...

https://i.ibb.co/Rzrh7hq/Screenshot-20240626-183321-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/L93YMR0/Screenshot-20240626-183348-Samsung-Internet.png
So basically, you're saying that Supergirl and Superboy, their dynamic strength is enough to ramp up they from not being able to fly to the point that they can one punch kill Brainiacs(after these Kryptonians get sapped energy) ?

That....sounds a lot like Kryptonians can go from 100 to 200 by their dynamic strength

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So basically, you're saying that Supergirl and Superboy, their dynamic strength is enough to ramp up they from not being able to fly to the point that they can one punch kill Brainiacs(after these Kryptonians get sapped energy) ?

That....sounds a lot like Kryptonians can go from 100 to 200 by their dynamic strength

Gotcha, so with that said, we agree that Thing also has dynamic strength since he went from not being able to hurt Hulk 'in that fight' to being able to knock him out? Or again, does this only apply to the Supes?

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha, so with that said, we agree that Thing also has dynamic strength since he went from not being able to hurt Hulk 'in that fight' to being able to knock him out? Or again, does this only apply to the Supes?
Not sure what you're trying to prove here?

I mean, you basically used a scene, where Superman shows dynamic strength, to prove he doesn't have?
And then doubled down, used other Krytponians, who also show dynamic strength according to you, to prove Superman(a Kryptonian) doesn't have dynamic strength?

I.E, all you did seems to only hurt your argument rather than help it

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Not sure what you're trying to prove here?

I mean, you basically used a scene, where Superman shows dynamic strength, to prove he doesn't have?
And then doubled down, used other Krytponians, who also show dynamic strength according to you, to prove Superman(a Kryptonian) doesn't have dynamic strength?

I literally said Superman has a form of dynamic strength where over time he can get back to 100% but there's nothing in that scene that shows him going over that. He even admits he is only at full power. All of them.

Originally posted by carver9
I literally said Superman has a form of dynamic strength where over time he can get back to 100% but there's nothing in that scene that shows him going over that. He even admits he is only at full power. All of them.
But as DS pointed out, Superboy and Supergirl had power dampeners even before Brainiac drained them?
Yet, later they can do better than before(I.E, they powers ramp to a level that actually counter the power dampeners)

And Superman has "his power levels tied to his emotions" scene

And I think most importantly, not sure how this scene proves that Superman's dynamic strength only capped at only 100%?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But as DS pointed out, Superboy and Supergirl had power dampeners even before Brainiac drained them?
Yet, later they can do better than before(I.E, they powers ramp to a level that actually counter the power dampeners)

And Superman has "his power levels tied to his emotions" scene

And I think most importantly, not sure how this scene proves that Superman's dynamic strength only capped at only 100%?

Like I told you before and keep telling you, their powers were gone. To the point of them not even being able to fly...

https://i.ibb.co/nkHFFBN/Screenshot-20240626-192821-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/b5pgCVW/Screenshot-20240626-193014-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/m4ry8JQ/Screenshot-20240626-193034-Samsung-Internet.png

If that's the truth about Superman powers being tied to his emotion, he wouldn't have been weakened at all. Especially since his family right in front of him was being hurt and Brainiac plan after that was to attack earth. If that doesn't make him emotional, what does?

It proves it because Superman said he's at full power. What does full power mean to you? It also proves it because if he had dynamic strength and it's based primarily off of emotions, he wouldn't have been depleted of power, especially with him being in one of the most critical situations in his career. His entire family being tortured and earth being next.

Originally posted by carver9
Van you give examples of Superman and Hulk failing to lift something and then lifting it moments later? Thanks

You can just do Superman if you want since my initial post about Hulk showed him getting more powerful by the second.

Derrick, years ago you asked for a clear example of Superman's powers increasing without Sun dipping. I showed you how in UP, UP AND AWAY his body was not absorbing solar energy like it was supposed to(scientific analysis) then suddenly when he's being chased by a couple villains, his powers somewhat kick in. He's running surprisingly fast, even gets hit by one of the villains uninjured. Then gets hit by a train and his hand leaves an impression.

Then I showed his powers clearly making jumps during fights, going from being relatively weak and slow, no flight, etc to getting stronger, true flight, etc,, his powers making at least two or three clear jumps due to needing to be more powerful to face the opposition. He even gained a new power, or at least his mind improved so much the writer treated it like one.

You pretended these were never posted and ignored me when I called you out for giving you just what you asked for.

So you agree that given time, he can gain his power back? I'm not against that since this is an ability most Heralds can do. My only argument is him going from 100% to 105%, 110% 150%, etc... I think he has a cap.

This is more of a dynamic showing imo...

So much power was being drained from Hulk that the energy readings were off the scales. It was so much energy being absorbed that the machine overloaded but Hulk was still at 100%. Not only that, he was laughing and said it tickles (thanks for the scans ODG)...

https://i.ibb.co/yNZLTHV/Savage-Hulk-Draining08464.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/HqM863v/Savage-Hulk-Draining09.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
So you agree that given time, he can gain his power back? I'm not against that since this is an ability most Heralds can do. My only argument is him going from 100% to 105%, 110% 150%, etc... I think he has a cap.

Are you seriously this dishonest?

Originally posted by Smurph
For the record, I think Superman has dynamic strength...

But I do think the underlined parts of this sound pretty contradictory. And run counter to what "dynamic" means.

Droping the blocks could mean able gain access to more external energy.
Superman's mental could be somehow making him access a certain amount of energy at any given time. Affect the mental and you might affect the amount he absorbs.

Originally posted by carver9
Thing punched Hulk throughout this comic without hurting him, moments later, he makes Hulk bleed and then knocks him out. Does Thing have dynamic strength or does showings like this only apply to Superman?

https://i.ibb.co/Yh4wVmZ/Screenshot-20240522-141647-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/S7JvKgG/Screenshot-20240522-141659-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/W0JcYnP/Screenshot-20240522-141730-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/FWwhTwW/Screenshot-20240522-141804-Chrome.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hBt3hcX/Screenshot-20240522-141825-Chrome.jpg

Also, when did Hulk fail to hurt Onslaught? All Jean did was turn Hulk into Savage Hulk. Banner Hulk didn't have the "get stronger while madder" powerset.
You suppose to show Thing hitting Hulk the same way without making him bleed. He headbutt him.
And the comic didn't say Hulk wasn't hurt by the punches.
Obviously Thing held back from using all his strength due to knowing his arm wouldn't be able to take it. In the end, he just said phuck my arm. I'm knocking this mfr out.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, it's a small form of dynamic strength. As long as we agree that Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy doesn't go from 100 to 200 based off emotions, I'm cool because that is my argument.
Explain to me how Superman went from using all his might for hours not damaging a probe to one shotting them with ease?

Why wasn't he generating one shot strength when using all his might?
Don't deflect, just answer the question.

Originally posted by carver9
Almost had me there. All of them were getting their powers drained the same time Superman was getting sapped up.



Nice try though.

*sigh*

I don't think you are paying attention to the comics. Look at the panels - Superman is so weak, he can hardly talk; he needs Lobo to help him up:
https://i.postimg.cc/DSQZfsbr/06-5.jpg

The others? Not so much.

Conclusion: Superman is weaker than the others. He had more energy taken from him. He literally needs help standing, he can't talk properly.

The next page:
https://i.postimg.cc/k2PGdwDM/07-6.jpg

He's using HV. That's quite the dynamic levels.

Then, next time we see them:
https://i.postimg.cc/QBPvYMfP/10-8.jpg

Brainiac Queen is draining him further.

Then, he gets back to 100% power.

So he's at 0% (or....1%? low enough that he can't even talk in full sentences), goes up to....30% with HV? Gets drained down to 20%, then ramps up to 100%, all in the space of a single battle. The exact percentages are up for debate, but that's not the point here - the point being he was weak to the point he couldn't talk properly, then was using HV (i.e. SHOOTING energy out), then was drained further, yet still got back up to 100%, all whilst fighting.

Superboy and Supergirl DID get drained a bit, yes - but not to the same extent. They lost their powers due to the power negators, not due to draining.

Once Lobo started destroying stuff, they don't have negators negating them, so whatever they got drained to, its nowhere near Superman's level of draining, as they weren't struggling to talk and had to be helped around by Lobo.

Originally posted by h1a8
Explain to me how Superman went from using all his might for hours not damaging a probe to one shotting them with ease?

Why wasn't he generating one shot strength when using all his might?
Don't deflect, just answer the question.

Don't forget, during the training Mongul put Superman through to make him more powerful in preparation of Imperiex(well a Probe, but at least Mongul made it seem to be the real Imperiex) Superman said he felt his powers surge. Verbiage carter asked for.....that was already posted.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I told you before and keep telling you, their powers were gone. To the point of them not even being able to fly...

https://i.ibb.co/nkHFFBN/Screenshot-20240626-192821-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/b5pgCVW/Screenshot-20240626-193014-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/m4ry8JQ/Screenshot-20240626-193034-Samsung-Internet.png

If that's the truth about Superman powers being tied to his emotion, he wouldn't have been weakened at all. Especially since his family right in front of him was being hurt and Brainiac plan after that was to attack earth. If that doesn't make him emotional, what does?

It proves it because Superman said he's at full power. What does full power mean to you? It also proves it because if he had dynamic strength and it's based primarily off of emotions, he wouldn't have been depleted of power, especially with him being in one of the most critical situations in his career. His entire family being tortured and earth being next.
I don't think you're paying attention here, perhaps you're just trolling?
According to you, their powers were gone, but then suddenly, their powers ramped up to the point they can do punching Brainiacs or whatever. That's kind of a dynamic strength increase in here, no?

Also, not sure why Brainiac successesfully drained Superman due to the Brainiac Queen needed an imaginable power source to active has anything to do with Superman's powers not emotion based?
On the contrary, I think it actually hurts your case, as Brainiac states Superman's power is different from other Kryptonians, Superman also gains his strength from other place(with the comic showing Brainiac uses his family as hostage), and Brainiac needs an unimagiable power source to active Brainiac Queen
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Huh, so it seems to confirm Superman's powers are beyond the normal Kryptonians.
As Brainiac needs an unimaginable power source, then the Lobo crew brings Superman in, and Brainiac states his powers are different, much more than just exposure to yellow suns.
https://ibb.co/T0vZ3SF
https://ibb.co/NS9tzND
https://ibb.co/10Dm5wN
I.E, if anything, it actually seems to indicate Superman's power is based on emotion. As Brainiac needs an unimaginable power source(Superman) to active the Queen, and Brainiac shows Superman his family is in danger while states Superman's power also gain strength from other place

Derrick seriously set his shitty phone to minimum brightness?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Derrick seriously set his shitty phone to minimum brightness?

His phone does not have dynamic levels. It's probably dying.
Or he's perpetually indoors, hunting money launderers. None can escape the Carv.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I don't think you're paying attention here, perhaps you're just trolling?
According to you, their powers were gone, but then suddenly, their powers ramped up to the point they can do punching Brainiacs or whatever. That's kind of a dynamic strength increase in here, no?

Also, not sure why Brainiac successesfully drained Superman due to the Brainiac Queen needed an imaginable power source to active has anything to do with Superman's powers not emotion based?
On the contrary, I think it actually hurts your case, as Brainiac states Superman's power is different from other Kryptonians, Superman also gains his strength from other place(with the comic showing Brainiac uses his family as hostage), and Brainiac needs an unimagiable power source to active Brainiac Queen

I.E, if anything, it actually seems to indicate Superman's power is based on emotion. As Brainiac needs an unimaginable power source(Superman) to active the Queen, and Brainiac shows Superman his family is in danger while states Superman's power also gain strength from other place

You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman because he could supply him an infinite amount of power on his own. He literally tells Superman that he is going to hang him in front of a yellow sun so that he can continue to feed his queen power.

https://i.ibb.co/sjmd9PV/Screenshot-20240627-073951-Samsung-Internet.png

This entire story goes against dynamic power. All of it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Explain to me how Superman went from using all his might for hours not damaging a probe to one shotting them with ease?

Why wasn't he generating one shot strength when using all his might?
Don't deflect, just answer the question.

It's simple, he stopped holding back. Even against his first fight against the Probe, at one point he couldn't hurt it and when he realized the consequences if the probe got away, he killed it.

Originally posted by carver9
You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman because he could supply him an infinite amount of power on his own.
LMAO, you literally posted Brainiac absorbs Superman's power(in order to active the Queen) just a page before

Originally posted by carver9
Brainiac absorbs Superman power which leaves him depleted of energy.

https://i.ibb.co/QHdTCr4/Screenshot-20240626-171510-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/vwkKPBX/Screenshot-20240626-171718-Samsung-Internet.png
https://i.ibb.co/xJf24R0/Screenshot-20240626-172344-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/G0QwcT8/Screenshot-20240626-172409-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/rffKB1p/Screenshot-20240626-172630-Samsung-Internet.jpg

I'm guessing you don't see the other Supes tied up? Also, she needed MORE power, she was dying, so that's why he brought up tying Supes to a yellow sun to feed her power. Read the comic.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm guessing you don't see the other Supes tied up? Also, she needed MORE power, she was dying, so that's why he brought up tying Supes to a yellow sun to feed her power. Read the comic.
I'm guessing you don't see
1) Superman is also tied up there
2) Lobo and General Chacal brings Superman to Brainiac as he needs unimaginable power
https://ibb.co/T0vZ3SF
https://ibb.co/NS9tzND
3) Superman's power was depleted after the drain
What a logical conclusion you can make based on these facts?

And for tying Superman to a yellow sun part. It only proves that Brainiac has further needs for Superman. Since after creating the Queen, the Queen still needs to feed on power. It doesn't mean Brainiac doesn't need Superman to active the Queen in the first place

Originally posted by carver9
You're embarrassing yourself.
Are you trying to make a self-introduction?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I'm guessing you don't see
1) Superman is also tied up there
2) Lobo and General Chacal brings Superman to Brainiac as he needs unimaginable power
https://ibb.co/T0vZ3SF
https://ibb.co/NS9tzND
3) Superman's power was depleted after the drain
What a logical conclusion you can make based on these facts?

And for tying Superman to a yellow sun part. It only proves that Brainiac has further needs for Superman. Since after creating the Queen, the Queen still needs to feed on power. It doesn't mean Brainiac doesn't need Superman to active the Queen in the first place


Are you trying to make a self-introduction?

So he needed Superman, Superboy, and Supergirl since they are all tied up getting their energy sapped. Gotcha.

Yes, he needed more power, so he included Supes to the other heroes he captured. He didn't need ONLY Supes because he isn't enough.

You keep bringing up the same things. Yes, Superman was able to get his power back to 100%, but so did other kryptonians. Heck, there were kryptonians flying around shooting heat vision who didn't experience the yellow sun at all. Getting to 100% isn't my argument. He can't Amp past that.

He could tie Supergirl and any other kryptonian to a yellow sun amping them as well. He didn't have to mention them because he was literally punching Supes in the face during that time. Sun amping is a kryptonian feature, not a Superman feature. He also needed Lobo and his race to Amp her as well.

The Thing scans are not the same - Ben wasn't drained of his energy, then suddenly ramped back up.

Same with Beast, or with Thor.

Carver, you specifically used a storyline where the villain explicitly says Superman doesn't just get his powers from the yellow sun....then say it has nothing to do with dynamic strength?

Ok, where does Superman get his powers from, then? And how is this unique to Superman?

Originally posted by carver9

Yes, he needed more power, so he included Supes
So you basically you're wrong in here?
Originally posted by carver9
You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman


BTW, I can assure you I read and understand the comics. But for you, I'm not so sure. I mean, even if you read, I have my doubts you understand them....

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you basically you're wrong in here?


BTW, I can assure you I read and understand the comics. But for you, I'm not so sure. I mean, even if you read, I have my doubts you understand them....

He needed Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, and Lobo and his family. Everyone played a part. It's silly that you cut off most of that reply. Superman alone wouldn't supply him enough power to get the job done, so he added his family. He mentioned tying Superman under a yellow sun to give him the power he need. Someone with dynamic power, someone like Hulk... the infinite, ongoing power is already there. No outside sources needed.

Wait so what are you arguing, Carv?

Dynamic power or infinite power? They are two separate things.

Originally posted by carver9
He needed Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, and Lobo and his family. Everyone played a part. It's silly that you cut off most of that reply. Superman alone wouldn't supply him enough power to get the job done, so he added his family. He mentioned tying Superman under a yellow sun to give him the power he need. Someone with dynamic power, someone like Hulk... the infinite, ongoing power is already there. No outside sources needed.
I cut it because most of your reply just moving goalposts
You first say Brainiac didn't need Superman, and when it's proved wrong, you move to whatever shit you're trying to make( Also, like DS said, dynamic power =//= infinite power. You're confusing two concepts here)

@Dark

Dynamic. I added infinite because Hulk is an continuing source of power. Anyways, I already agreed with you. I said that he can get back to 100% after being drained which shows some form of dynamics. That 100% is Superman full power as mentioned by Dupes. Anything outside of this is what I disagree with.

Originally posted by carver9
It's simple, he stopped holding back. Even against his first fight against the Probe, at one point he couldn't hurt it and when he realized the consequences if the probe got away, he killed it.

Then exaplain this, as this is was Mongul training him for Imperiex.

Originally posted by -Pr-

from Superman #152:

https://i.ibb.co/dW6vN41/week01-2000-Superman-V2-152-05.jpg

How is simply not holding back going to make his powers surge if he doesn't have dynamic powers?

Derrick, hello!!

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I cut it because most of your reply just moving goalposts
You first say Brainiac didn't need Superman, and when it's proved wrong, you move to whatever shit you're trying to make( Also, like DS said, dynamic power =//= infinite power. You're confusing two concepts here)

When did I say Brainiac didn't need Superman?

Originally posted by carver9
When did I say Brainiac didn't need Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman because he could supply him an infinite amount of power on his own. He literally tells Superman that he is going to hang him in front of a yellow sun so that he can continue to feed his queen power.

https://i.ibb.co/sjmd9PV/Screenshot-20240627-073951-Samsung-Internet.png

This entire story goes against dynamic power. All of it.

He definitely needed Superman, anyway. Whether it be alone or not, Brainiac explicitly mentions that because of Superman, Metropolis has the greatest amount of power in the universe (I'm now cropping scans because people seem to have a hard time reading):

https://i.postimg.cc/3Jhm9Snq/17-13.jpg

IF he didn't need Superman, why send General Chacal (silly name, btw - almost DBZ level) to get him?
https://i.postimg.cc/gkKR7V72/07.png

Rhetorical question. Answer: because he needed unimaginable power:
https://i.postimg.cc/7L52bpZ5/13.png

That was really the only reason the Czarnians still stuck around:
https://i.postimg.cc/T37bdRf8/17.png

Superman, of course, being different from everyone else:
https://i.postimg.cc/CxLDpZyH/14-2.png

So, Carver - what is this mysterious other source of power that Superman has? I mean, I am sure Superboy/Supergirl etc all love their friends and family too, but somehow it's not just simple family love - Superman alone has the ability to channel this love/emotion into power, unlike anyone else. But if it is not emotional, what is it, Carver? Been asking this.