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who wins?

Omega.

Omega stomps. He couldn't be defeated outside destroying the Miracle Machine.

Omega easy peasy.

prime loses

Omega might take the majority, but I don't think it would be an easy battle by any means. Personally, I don't think there's much Omega did that Prime would be incapable of. However, Prime's Guardian amp seemed much more finite than Omega's power - and that's the main reason I see him taking this.

You think Prime can take multiple Pre-Crisis bricks? LOSH. I don't see it.

Originally posted by cloud102
You think Prime can take multiple Pre-Crisis bricks? LOSH. I don't see it. Take a good look at Prime's feats while he was amped. I personally think he could pound through the same peeps Omega did.

On another note, just because you throw the title 'pre-crisis' in front of a character's name, doesn't mean they get an auto-win srsly. Granted, most PC characters have very high showings - but for the most part, they also have ridiculously low showings. Say it with me... "BALANCE."

Originally posted by Galan007
Take a good look at Prime's feats while was amped. I personally think he could pound through the same peeps Omega did.

On another note, just because you throw the title 'pre-crisis' in front of a character's name, doesn't give them the auto-win srsly. Granted, most PC characters have very high showings - but for the most part, they also have ridiculously low showings. Say it with me... "BALANCE."

yeah, they were all over the place, but they're highs are just as good as Prime's. It's not like they did them once and they were forgotten.

BTW, I'd take Omega over a Guardian or Guardian amped Prime.

Originally posted by cloud102
BTW, I'd take Omega over a Guardian or Guardian amped Prime.

Me, too. Clear advantage of strength and even speed.

I don't get all the SBP's wank fest. He's clearly powerful, but he's not special. Give him 30 years of page time and I'm sure he'll have some bad showings, too.

He's not faster than a PC brick or stronger. And he's certainly not as smart.

Originally posted by cloud102
yeah, they were all over the place Which is why character balance is key - especially when debating pre-crisis characters.

Here's the entirety of Omega's rampage, more or less:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega1.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega2.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega3.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega4.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega5.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega6.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega7.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega8.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega9.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega10.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega11.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega12.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega13.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega14.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega15.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega16.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega17.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/omega18.jpg

Do I personally feel Prime could do most/all of that? Well, yes. Keep in mind that I still gave Omega the win - I just don't see it being easy, is all.

Originally posted by cloud102
I don't get all the SBP's wank fest. He's clearly powerful, but he's not special. Give him 30 years of page time and I'm sure he'll have some bad showings, too.

He's not faster than a PC brick or stronger. And he's certainly not as smart.

Well, I think barring the ridiculous PC feats (like sneezing in space), he's nearly as strong as PC Superman (at Prime's base). But as fast and all that? Nah. Nor as smart. And PC Omega >>> PC Supes.

At one point, that's all the PC characters (Kryptonians) were doing. Silly feats. Mixed in with some bad, yes, but the good outweighs the bad, IMO.

And seeing that Omega is all the hate in the universe and Prime is finite... You're right there.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well, I think barring the ridiculous PC feats (like sneezing in space), he's nearly as strong as PC Superman (at Prime's base). But as fast and all that? Nah. Nor as smart. And PC Omega >>> PC Supes.

Superboy also broke free from phantom zone type dimensions as well. Just by moving.

Originally posted by cloud102
And seeing that Omega is all the hate in the universe and Prime is finite... You're right there. Pretty much. IMO, they'd start out near the same level - but as the battle went on Prime's amp would eventually wear off, whereas Omega's power would stay consistent.

Originally posted by cloud102
Superboy also broke free from phantom zone type dimensions as well. Just by moving. Physically busting through dimensions, physically causing retcons, throwing planets around like baseballs, owning pretty much the entirety of DC earth, shredding through GL's like fodder, overcoming the ridiculously powerful Monarch (who's feats say enough,) etc etc.

Like I said - just don't see it being easy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty much. IMO, they'd start out near the same level - but as the battle went on Prime's amp would eventually wear off, whereas Omega's power would stay consistent.

Physically busting through dimensions, physically causing retcons, throwing planets around like baseballs, owning pretty much the entirety of DC earth, shredding through GL's like fodder, overcoming the ridiculously powerful Monarch (who's feats say enough,) etc etc.

Like I said - just don't see it being easy.

Moving planets isn't all that when you're talking PC. I mean Superman did fly into heaven. Superman did bear the force of a universe caving in or at least most of it.

I'm betting if Superman or Monel (PC) wanted to take over current DC earth and rip through GL's, I bet they could.

But for all that power, Prime wasn't able to take out Ion easily like he should have.

Originally posted by cloud102
I mean Superman did fly into heaven. Superman did bear the force of a universe caving in or at least most of it. He's also been owned by a space monkey. "BALANCE."


Originally posted by cloud102
But for all that power, Prime wasn't able to take out Ion easily like he should have. a.) Did you see the same fight I did?
b.) There is no way Prime was at full power during that fight.
3.) This is Guardian amped Prime, anyway.

I forgot Prime needed a boost to contend. Seriously, Superman while weakened was able to move planets. So, it can work both ways.

omega wins

Originally posted by cloud102
I forgot Prime needed a boost to contend. To contend with Omega? Absolutely.

I like Prime more. However, I just don't know much about Omega except the ones that Galan posted.