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No powerups for either, and no prep. Who beats whom?

Mordru

deleted, thinking of a different dude

Set

Mordru.

Mordru

Set.

Set.

Mordru.

Set

looks like a tie 4 to 4

Originally posted by beatboks
looks like a tie 4 to 4

You're a big Mordru fan. Do you see it close? I say it's pretty close myself.

Originally posted by Golgo13
You're a big Mordru fan. Do you see it close? I say it's pretty close myself.

The thing with Mordru is even when he faces someone more powerful once the battles in full swing he's using their own power against them as well as his own.

In a weakened state having JUST escaped from the ROE he casually defeats an amped Shazam on the ROE using the rocks own power against him. Shazam had sent days building his power to prepare fro DOV Spectre and Mordru who wasn't at full strength took him out in a few panels. When Mordru had finished with the Wizard he was back to his normal power level, and even at that level he could fight an Amped Spectre ( who had killed and absorbed the power of quite a few lords of Magic) for pages.

Mordru had also killed and absorbed a LOT of the Lords of Order and Chaos before killing Jared Stephens Fate. He's casually absorbed the power of fate and Nabu, the Starheart, and many more.

Set ( and I'm assuming we're talking Marvel Set not those of lesser known companies who would be stomped) might start out at a higher power level but it wont last long.

Christ 915 Set was taken down IIRC by Thor, Hulk, Wolverine, Dr Doom and a couple of Nobodies. Atum who has also beaten 616 a couple of times isn't above some of those that Mordru has defeated.

It will be a good fight but as I see it Mordru will prevail in the end

Mordru

Originally posted by beatboks
The thing with Mordru is even when he faces someone more powerful once the battles in full swing he's using their own power against them as well as his own.

In a weakened state having JUST escaped from the ROE he casually defeats an amped Shazam on the ROE using the rocks own power against him. Shazam had sent days building his power to prepare fro DOV Spectre and Mordru who wasn't at full strength took him out in a few panels. When Mordru had finished with the Wizard he was back to his normal power level, and even at that level he could fight an Amped Spectre ( who had killed and absorbed the power of quite a few lords of Magic) for pages.

Mordru had also killed and absorbed a LOT of the Lords of Order and Chaos before killing Jared Stephens Fate. He's casually absorbed the power of fate and Nabu, the Starheart, and many more.

Set ( and I'm assuming we're talking Marvel Set not those of lesser known companies who would be stomped) might start out at a higher power level but it wont last long.

Christ 915 Set was taken down IIRC by Thor, Hulk, Wolverine, Dr Doom and a couple of Nobodies. Atum who has also beaten 616 a couple of times isn't above some of those that Mordru has defeated.

It will be a good fight but as I see it Mordru will prevail in the end

i assume you're referring to JSA #78 in which case mordru doesn't really defeat the wizard, he lets him purposely use his magic to be left weakened when spectre arrives (though clearly mordru could have finished him), but we also must not forgot that mordru did ambush him from behind before shazam even had the chance to use magic.

and Shazam didn't really accomplish much in DoV #6 against the spectre, he injured him greatly but in the end the spectre healed instantly and stomped shazam.

the set you are talking about is from what if v2 #25, and he wasn't defeated like that.

wolverine and hulk and the other street level characters were fighting the 7 brides only:

http://i.imgur.com/f10s6AQ.jpg

while thor, doom, phoenix and SS were the ones who confronted set directly.

set absorbed phoenix's energy and obliterated thor:

http://i.imgur.com/c4KafvT.jpg

surfer went down:

http://i.imgur.com/KvhcBVY.jpg

until an amped quasar imprisons set and himself in the eye of agamotto:

http://i.imgur.com/6BxC9Ph.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iKXZ5UX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/skIWGZH.jpg

so this pretty much the most powerful version of set, however it is a "what if" and thus cannot be used unless specified by the op.

616 set hasn't done anything on this level, his best feat is when classic strange, thor, quasar and others i can't recall at the moment went up against him in his own dimension and were outclassed.

nothing on mordru's level.

Originally posted by operator616
i assume you're referring to JSA #78 in which case mordru doesn't really defeat the wizard, he lets him purposely use his magic to be left weakened when spectre arrives (though clearly mordru could have finished him), but we also must not forgot that mordru did ambush him from behind before shazam even had the chance to use magic.

and Shazam didn't really accomplish much in DoV #6 against the spectre, he injured him greatly but in the end the spectre healed instantly and stomped shazam.

the set you are talking about is from what if v2 #25, and he wasn't defeated like that.

wolverine and hulk and the other street level characters were fighting the 7 brides only:

http://i.imgur.com/f10s6AQ.jpg

while thor, doom, phoenix and SS were the ones who confronted set directly.

set absorbed phoenix's energy and obliterated thor:

http://i.imgur.com/c4KafvT.jpg

surfer went down:

http://i.imgur.com/KvhcBVY.jpg

until an amped quasar imprisons set and himself in the eye of agamotto:

http://i.imgur.com/6BxC9Ph.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iKXZ5UX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/skIWGZH.jpg

so this pretty much the most powerful version of set, however it is a "what if" and thus cannot be used unless specified by the op.

616 set hasn't done anything on this level, his best feat is when classic strange, thor, quasar and others i can't recall at the moment went up against him in his own dimension and were outclassed.

nothing on mordru's level.
No it wasn't. This was the most pathetic version of Set, thankfully it was a What If and not canon.

Set's best include :
a) Besting Gaea ON EARTH, she then b|tched out and called her son for help
b) stalemating Classic Demogorge for MILLIONS of years before being forced to retreat
c) forcing Strange/Scarlet Witch/Spiderman/Thing to focus their wills through a Cosmic Cube while Strange used it's power, while invoking his artifacts, to cast a spell banishing Set from Earth. The spell succeeded but the Cosmic Cube was burnt out in the attempt
d) Imprisoning Gaea and holding her against her will (something Thor didn't even think was possible) while humiliating Strage/Quasar/Thing/Thor
e) fighting Atum while imprisoning Gaea, he lost but even then Set didn't die

Set wins.

He's one of the top Elder Gods. Can't see a skyfather beating him without serious prep and amping.

Originally posted by zopzop
No it wasn't. This was the most pathetic version of Set, thankfully it was a What If and not canon.

Set's best include :
a) Besting Gaea ON EARTH, she then b|tched out and called her son for help
b) stalemating Classic Demogorge for MILLIONS of years before being forced to retreat
c) forcing Strange/Scarlet Witch/Spiderman/Thing to focus their wills through a Cosmic Cube while Strange used it's power, while invoking his artifacts, to cast a spell banishing Set from Earth. The spell succeeded but the Cosmic Cube was burnt out in the attempt
d) Imprisoning Gaea and holding her against her will (something Thor didn't even think was possible) while humiliating Strage/Quasar/Thing/Thor
e) fighting Atum while imprisoning Gaea, he lost but even then Set didn't die

you're leaving out importand context.

a,b) he didn't best gaia, and set was amped by the energies of the dinasouars:

http://i.imgur.com/qRy6igw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yc9F5Cg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0GyvF90.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/znV3i5w.jpg

c) again, this was an amped version since it was a collection of 777 serpent crowns that combined into 1 single form (i can post scans if you request, just don't have the time right now)

d) when did he imprison gaia?

he did humiliate the heroes (as i said in my previous post) but that was in his own dimension.

e) already commented on this.

Originally posted by operator616
you're leaving out importand context.

a,b) he didn't best gaia, and set was amped by the energies of the dinasouars:

http://i.imgur.com/qRy6igw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yc9F5Cg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0GyvF90.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/znV3i5w.jpg
Yes because that's what he does. He feed off their negative emotions and Gaea couldn't stop him without attempting to kill off the dinosaurs.


It wasn't an "amped" version. That's how much crowns they needed to manifest Set on Earth.


See his respect thread.

Set will lose, he's not the magic user like his brother Chthon who would give Mordru hell himself.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Set will lose, he's not the magic user like his brother Chthon who would give Mordru hell himself.
Is that why Chthon never dared face off vs Classic Demogorge yet Set did?

Set stalemated CLASSIC Demogorge for MILLIONS of years before finally losing. The second time they fought, he held Gaea prisoner WHILE facing off vs Thormogorge.

Chthon is overrated.

yes so he couldn't have fought atum for millions of years without the energies of the dinosaurs, and the op specifically states no power-ups.

they gathered the serpend crowns which merged into a gigantic one:

http://i.imgur.com/g0BileK.jpg

Despite that your respect thread doesn't show the image (seems to be broken) i know the instance you're talking about, where gaia says that she doesn't refuse but simply can't help because of set's power, though it happened off panel but fair enough.

still don't see how set is superior to mordru.

Originally posted by operator616
yes so he couldn't have fought atum for millions of years without the energies of the dinosaurs, and the op specifically states no power-ups.
It's not a power up. That's what he does. He feeds off others. Just like he fed off his brother Elders when he killed them and absorbed their power.

Irregardless, that wasn't even the most powerful version of him. The one that imprisoned Gaea while fighting Demogorge was. It was even stated on panel. So......
http://imageshack.us/a/img694/9005/gaeaowned.th.jpg


Yes, to BRING SET TO EARTH. That's how much crowns were needed to get the job done. It wasn't an amp. It was the number needed to open the portal between his realm and Earth.


Yup and Thor didn't even think it was possible. So he fought Classic Demogorge while imprisoning a fellow Elder against her will. UBER.

Mordru

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes, to BRING SET TO EARTH. That's how much crowns were needed to get the job done. It wasn't an amp. It was the number needed to open the portal between his realm and Earth.


i admit that this is a speculation on my part, but my speculation is based on the fact that normal set couldn't possibly be more powerful than a cosmic cube. This contradicts his other showings, like when he got defeated by atum yet he is more powerful than a cosmic cube? this just doesn't make sense. So taking this into consideration, i can only assume that hundreds of serpent crowns merged into one made him vastly more powerful. It's the only logical explanation.

Originally posted by zopzop

It's not a power up. That's what he does. He feeds off others. Just like he fed off his brother Elders when he killed them and absorbed their power. interesting because that's exactly what Mordru does too. As I said on the previous page he uses the energies of his enemies to fight them.