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Inspired by the Superman vs Iceman thread

How does "full potential" Iceman fair against Classic thor?

Better fight because thor has control over weather, etc...

I dont know.

that would be a pretty good fight i would like to see who could overpower the other in terms of wheather control.

H2H Thor would pummel bobby but i can't see him finishing him off.

I can't see bobby langing anything stroug enough to put thor down.

Godblast might work if he gets every piece of bobby but then again he still might reform.

I guess Thor can bfr bobby to the sun or out into deep space.

thor's best chance would be to absorb his life force

Originally posted by DarkOdin
that would be a pretty good fight i would like to see who could overpower the other in terms of wheather control.

H2H Thor would pummel bobby but i can't see him finishing him off.

I can't see bobby langing anything stroug enough to put thor down.

Godblast might work if he gets every piece of bobby but then again he still might reform.

I guess Thor can bfr bobby to the sun or out into deep space.

thor's best chance would be to absorb his life force

good post and good possibilities

Current thor would kill him though. Classic would be a better fight.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
that would be a pretty good fight i would like to see who could overpower the other in terms of wheather control.

H2H Thor would pummel bobby but i can't see him finishing him off.

I can't see bobby langing anything stroug enough to put thor down.

Godblast might work if he gets every piece of bobby but then again he still might reform.

I guess Thor can bfr bobby to the sun or out into deep space.

thor's best chance would be to absorb his life force

The only thing that would work that you said is absorbing his life force. But how often does he do that. Anyway that is definitly a great avenue. Nothing else you said would mean anything. Thor would have a chance unlike supes.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Inspired by the Superman vs Iceman thread

How does "full potential" Iceman fair against Classic thor?

They've fought once (Not "full potential", and it could be more than once, but that is all I know of). Sorta. In a "what if?" scenario inside of a cannon book.

Apparently Thor thinks Iceman (I'm trying to quote, but I might be paraphrasing) "(you) could have been the most powerful of heroes!" This was in a future where all mutants were killed and Iceman was the only one left (apparently). He went on a rampage, and well, that was about all you saw as they continued their journey with Swamp Thing.

Also, Thor thinks Iceman could be the next Frost Giant. This is an earlier encounter they had:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4052/xmenfirstclass005020iy5.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7963/xmenfirstclass005023cx1.jpg

Just stuff for informational value. Though the first scan does show him being frozen shifty

Originally posted by Blair Wind
They've fought once (Not "full potential", and it could be more than once, but that is all I know of). Sorta. In a "what if?" scenario inside of a cannon book.

Apparently Thor thinks Iceman (I'm trying to quote, but I might be paraphrasing) "(you) could have been the most powerful of heroes!" This was in a future where all mutants were killed and Iceman was the only one left (apparently). He went on a rampage, and well, that was about all you saw as they continued their journey with Swamp Thing.

Also, Thor thinks Iceman could be the next Frost Giant. This is an earlier encounter they had:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4052/xmenfirstclass005020iy5.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7963/xmenfirstclass005023cx1.jpg

Just stuff for informational value. Though the first scan does show him being frozen shifty That would be hot

Originally posted by carver9
Current thor would kill him though. Classic would be a better fight.

OP made it classic Thor

full potential iceman would win probably...there are few beings below trans who could beat a full potential iceman

if its based on the best iceman has shown on panel, then bobby gets icy butt cracked

Originally posted by Blair Wind
They've fought once (Not "full potential", and it could be more than once, but that is all I know of). Sorta. In a "what if?" scenario inside of a cannon book.

Apparently Thor thinks Iceman (I'm trying to quote, but I might be paraphrasing) "(you) could have been the most powerful of heroes!" This was in a future where all mutants were killed and Iceman was the only one left (apparently). He went on a rampage, and well, that was about all you saw as they continued their journey with Swamp Thing.

Also, Thor thinks Iceman could be the next Frost Giant. This is an earlier encounter they had:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4052/xmenfirstclass005020iy5.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7963/xmenfirstclass005023cx1.jpg

Just stuff for informational value. Though the first scan does show him being frozen shifty

Thats pretty damn awesome.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
The only thing that would work that you said is absorbing his life force. But how often does he do that. Anyway that is definitly a great avenue. Nothing else you said would mean anything. Thor would have a chance unlike supes.

Well i would think BFR would work to but is is a cheap move and it should work.

thor done it once if any more then that i am not sure but is is an option thor has a few more option's then must bricks.

Here comes more of the Iceman speculation crap.

Originally posted by Starscream M
full potential iceman would win probably...there are few beings below trans who could beat a full potential iceman

if its based on the best iceman has shown on panel, then bobby gets icy butt cracked

How would full potential iceman counter getting Bfred or absorbed into the hammer.etc Also what would full potential iceman do to put thor down?

Originally posted by Naija boy
How would full potential iceman counter getting Bfred or absorbed into the hammer.etc Also what would full potential iceman do to put thor down?

Can thor bleed, I do know one thing though, thor cannot be put down by EXTREME temperatures so it would be hard pressed to put thor down with temperatures that he can conjure himself. This is more of a stalemate unless iceman goes inside thor ripping him from the inside out.

Thor got water in his blood stream.

Originally posted by skygunner41
Thor got water in his blood stream.

sky I havent forgot about that scan I'm sending you but if he does then thor is screwed.

Originally posted by carver9
Can thor bleed, I do know one thing though, thor cannot be put down by EXTREME temperatures so it would be hard pressed to put thor down with temperatures that he can conjure himself. This is more of a stalemate unless iceman goes inside thor ripping him from the inside out.

i can see a stalemate. thor sucks the lifeforce out of bobby as bobby freezes Thor in a huge block of ice lol

Originally posted by DarkOdin
i can see a stalemate. thor sucks the lifeforce out of bobby as bobby freezes Thor in a huge block of ice lol

That would be the image of the month.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
i can see a stalemate. thor sucks the lifeforce out of bobby as bobby freezes Thor in a huge block of ice lol

Then someone picks up the hammer and WAMMO!!! A person has Iceman and Thor powers!

Originally posted by carver9
Can thor bleed, I do know one thing though, thor cannot be put down by EXTREME temperatures so it would be hard pressed to put thor down with temperatures that he can conjure himself. This is more of a stalemate unless iceman goes inside thor ripping him from the inside out.

Thor is highly molecularly resistant. Loki needed to be amped by skyfather level magic to even affect him(Loki who is a very high level matter manipulator).i dont think Iceman manipulating his molecules is very likely to work.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor is highly molecularly resistant. Loki needed to be amped by skyfather level magic to even affect him(Loki who is a very high level matter manipulator).i dont think Iceman manipulating his molecules is very likely to work.

I know these things that why I said ice jumping inside of him.

Originally posted by carver9
I know these things that why I said ice jumping inside of him.

Thats probly more dangerous to iceman than it is to thor.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Thats probly more dangerous to iceman than it is to thor.

I agree with this, I actually thought about how much control thor has over his body. Stalemate or thor bfrs him.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this, I actually thought about how much control thor has over his body. Stalemate or thor bfrs him. Or Thor whammies Iceman's consciousness causing Iceman to mentally die

Originally posted by Newjak
Or Thor whammies Iceman's consciousness causing Iceman to mentally die

lol, naah, that'll never happen.

Originally posted by carver9
lol, naah, that'll never happen. Why not even in his in best feats Iceman's entire consciousness is still focused into one single entity in one given point.

Originally posted by Newjak
Why not even in his in best feats Iceman's entire consciousness is still focused into one single entity in one given point.

Because Cav9 knows best, he knows all about comics.

Originally posted by Newjak
Why not even in his in best feats Iceman's entire consciousness is still focused into one single entity in one given point.

Thats incorrect. Iceman can exist in many places at once...

Originally posted by Newjak
Why not even in his in best feats Iceman's entire consciousness is still focused into one single entity in one given point.

I didnt read your post right, I thought you were saying that thor is going to hammer unconcious physically. My bad.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Because Cav9 knows best, he knows all about comics.

I love you NUUL

Originally posted by The Nuul
Here comes more of the Iceman speculation crap.

Originally posted by Vanlore
Thats incorrect. Iceman can exist in many places at once... Incorrect

Iceman's body maybe able to exploded outwards into different locales but his mind has and has always been shown to stay in one area at one focal point just like a normal human's mind. This is why even when Emma took control of him she could still only use human perceptions of the area she was in.

Originally posted by Newjak
Incorrect

Iceman's body maybe able to exploded outwards into different locales but his mind has and has always been shown to stay in one area at one focal point just like a normal human's mind. This is why even when Emma took control of him she could still only use human perceptions of the area she was in.

Incorrect.

Here is Bobby shown in two different locations at the same time, both with Juggernaut and with Kate Pryde and Rachel Summers.

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/2593/xmenforever5p087lm.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/9580/xmenforever5p093pq.jpg

He also talks about how he is kind of....."everywhere" talking from different locations (using the bubbles as indicators) until he reformed
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/1770/xmenforever5p227kd.jpg

Can you also post him growing 80ft tall, or amping his strength, turning to fog, turning into water, frieezing someones blood just by staring at them.

Originally posted by carver9
Can you also post him growing 80ft tall, or amping his strength, turning to fog, turning into water, frieezing someones blood just by staring at them.

Tomorrow, when I'm done with my research paper. It is the only reason I have not busted out with a 20,000 character length double post here and in the Superman thread, and have only been giving little scans here and there.

Originally posted by carver9
Can you also post him growing 80ft tall, or amping his strength, turning to fog, turning into water, frieezing someones blood just by staring at them.
They're all in the Iceman Respect thread. Also in the Superman vs iceman thread.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Here comes more of the Iceman speculation crap. Nuul's tears help Bobby encase Thor in ice.

Cartman: Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! My-yummy!

Originally posted by Mindset
Nuul's tears help Bobby encase Thor in ice.
I think I just peed my pants a little. rofl.

Classic Thor isn't gong to have any problem with extreme cold or any speculative molecular/kinetic control.

Extreme cold? No problem:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability04.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability16284.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability27-403.jpg

Control over moisture in his body? No problem:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability13.jpg

Speculative kinetic control over his molecules? No problem:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability06Avengers014.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability07163.jpg


Odd forces that surpass even mere kinetic control over his molecules? No problem:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability02.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability10Avengers107.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability15282.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability25381.jpg

And really... this is just his inherent defense that has nothing to do with Mjolnir.

^Grrr! I wanted to be the one to bring these scans!

^ I been working on a Revamped Thor Respect Thread...

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Back off. uhuh

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Originally posted by Lord Feron
Thats pretty damn awesome.

That was also done in an episode of SPiderman and his Amazing friends....Iceman was kidnapped by a female frost giant or some shyt

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I been working on a Revamped Thor Respect Thread...

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Back off. uhuh

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Seriously? Damn. The idea had been popping in and out of my mind as well so i slowly started rereading thru my thor comics looking for feats.

But thanks to u what i thought was a great idea has become null and void

For this there shall be a reckoning!cursing

^ I'll be done in a few weeks. You can help Darthgoober on reviving his Captain America Respect Thread project...

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... are you can just suck it.

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Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
That was also done in an episode of SPiderman and his Amazing friends....Iceman was kidnapped by a female frost giant or some shyt And both of those instances were based on this Thor comic if I am not mistaken, Thor #377:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Respect/th_Loki.jpg

^ Meh, Ill just have to transfer to a Revamped Odin thread.(unless uve started on that one toouhuh)

^ I've been working concomitantly on a Asgardians thread for the lesser known individuals like Hela, Executioner, Sif, Warriors Three and Odin...

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... but you can do Odin if you want. uhuh

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'll be done in a few weeks. You can help Darthgoober on reviving his Captain America Respect Thread project...

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... are you can just suck it.

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And both of those instances were based on this Thor comic if I am not mistaken, Thor #377:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Respect/th_Loki.jpg


Thanks dude....that's why I like this board...there is always someone who knows something you don't know. 377 though i beleive came out after Spiderman and his Amazing Friends was off the air, but I will check to find the issue so I can read it. I never knew it was based off a comic.

^ March, 1987 was the publishing date...

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uhuh

^ ... I'll get you next time, Inspector Gadget!!!!111 jr_shakefist

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Classic Thor isn't gong to have any problem with extreme cold or any speculative molecular/kinetic control.

Extreme cold? No problem:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability04.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability16284.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability27-403.jpg

Control over moisture in his body? No problem:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/th_ThorDurability13.jpg

Iceman can freeze things to aboslute zero or close to it, really no comparison there. With regards to the scans you posted.

If anything that shows he has some level of resistance, but it didn't show he had control over the moisture of his body.

Not sure what defense Mjolnir will afford him though.

Originally posted by Mindset
Iceman can freeze things to aboslute zero or close to it, really no comparison there. With regards to the scans you posted.

If anything that shows he has some level of resistance, but it didn't show he had control over the moisture of his body.

Not sure what defense Mjolnir will afford him though. Temperatures from the North Pole have been measured to be near -70 degrees Celsius. Absolute zero is -273 degrees Celsius.

Anyway, with Mjolnir, he can protect himself and two humans from the ground-zero effects of the Casket of Ancient Winters that was freezing the entire world over well enough:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/th_ThorMjolnir100-Vortex349.jpg

uhuh

Couldnt bobby just freeze Mjolnir till its brittle enough that a small breeze of wind will sent it shattering. Thor has basic human biology anyways, don't see why bobby can't internally freeze him.

^ facepalm

So no defense?

^ Apparently none that can ward off socks and trolls. facepalm

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Apparently none that can ward off socks and trolls. facepalm

Unfortunate but true. Best to just ignore him until the mods catch on.

So I suppose arguing a topic and staying on course is a little to much to ask. I don't see why Thor isn't vulnerable to bobby's powers, simply put I think he loses this and I'm entitiled to that opinion.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Incorrect.

Here is Bobby shown in two different locations at the same time, both with Juggernaut and with Kate Pryde and Rachel Summers.

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/2593/xmenforever5p087lm.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/9580/xmenforever5p093pq.jpg

He also talks about how he is kind of....."everywhere" talking from different locations (using the bubbles as indicators) until he reformed
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/1770/xmenforever5p227kd.jpg

I fail to see how he was in two places at the same time. Looks like two different time frames. Iceman traveled from one location to another.

The last scan is hyperbole. See the words "kind of". He simply meant he was in the surrounding air. He wasn't on Mars now.

Originally posted by h1a8
I fail to see how he was in two places at the same time. Looks like two different time frames. Iceman traveled from one location to another.

The last scan is hyperbole. See the words "kind of". He simply meant he was in the surrounding air. He wasn't on Mars now.

Look at the second scan. Iceman finishes his own sentence in an entirely different location. He was in both places at the same time.

And I never meant that he was on Mars, but his "mind" was kind of everywhere in the surrounding area. I never meant otherwise.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Look at the second scan. Iceman finishes his own sentence in an entirely different location. He was in both places at the same time.

And I never meant that he was on Mars, but his "mind" was kind of everywhere in the surrounding area. I never meant otherwise.

Those scans are totally unclear. It seems like it can be a flashback. If you are right then the narrator should have clarified things. What is that liquid hanging in the background? I don't see it. I need to investigate more.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those scans are totally unclear. It seems like it can be a flashback. If you are right then the narrator should have clarified things. What is that liquid hanging in the background? I don't see it. I need to investigate more.

To give context, Iceman shows up in a different world (as do Jean, Juggernaught, Mystique, and Toad) and gets blown up by Sentinels. Juggernaut comes in and destroys them after Mystique is killed, and Iceman finds out he can reform himself. He then goes on to teleport a short distance just to show off for Juggs. While talking to Juggs, he comments on where Jean might be, which is where the two scans come from. He "teleports" to Jean, and is in two places at once. Any liquid in the background is purely Iceman's doing, as are the stars, and icy things holding up the metal.

Originally posted by Mindset
Iceman can freeze things to aboslute zero or close to it, really no comparison there. With regards to the scans you posted.

If anything that shows he has some level of resistance, but it didn't show he had control over the moisture of his body.

Not sure what defense Mjolnir will afford him though.


i highly doubt bobbys ice will effect thors hammer.

Thor.

Vanlore where are you? LOL

Show them Iceman beats Thor like you tried so hard to do for Superman.
Don't be bias towards Marvel now.

Originally posted by zeel
i highly doubt bobbys ice will effect thors hammer. What did that have to do with my post?

Originally posted by zeel
i highly doubt bobbys ice will effect thors hammer. exactly

Thor smashes him to bits with Mjolnir then BFR's his smashed particles into the sun.

Are we forgetting Thor is a god here?

Originally posted by Madvillain
Thor smashes him to bits with Mjolnir then BFR's his smashed particles into the sun.

Smashing him into pieces and then teleporting the pieces into the Sun isn't stopping Iceman. His existence doesn't depend on his body.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I been working on a Revamped Thor Respect Thread...

Seriously?

Damn, I wanted to do one. I was even starting to sort through my collection for feats.

Well if you need any help just ask, I have all of Thor's appearance on hand.

Thor would find a way to win

"Smashing him into pieces and then teleporting the pieces into the Sun isn't stopping Iceman. His existence doesn't depend on his body."

Well his existence will be teleported into said sun.

Based on Astonishing XMen 63 - Iceman puts the deep freeze on him

Thor wins.

What can full potential Iceman do?
If he can freeze things at absolute zero almost instantly then he kills Thor.
He freezes all the moisture in Thor. Thor dies. Right Vanlore?

Thor survives In deep space without issue, Idk why anyone would think absolute zero is a game changer...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor survives In deep space without issue, Idk why anyone would think absolute zero is a game changer... absolute zero is the infinity of cold. Deep space is infinitely hot compared to absolute zero. Hell, 0.001K is infinitely hot compared to absolute zero.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor survives In deep space without issue, Idk why anyone would think absolute zero is a game changer...
Because space isn't as cold as absolute zero and Hulk had to rescue thor from freezing just recently at absolute zero.

Bobby dies!

Far enough away from a star space hits 99% absolute zero.

So yeah pretty much space is...

Iceman. If Thor gets creative, he can win.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Far enough away from a star space hits 99% absolute zero.

So yeah pretty much space is... you don't understand . Absolute zero is theoretically impossible. If achieved in the real universe then the entire universe would be destroyed. It is like hitting something with infinite power. Deep space is a couple degrees above absolute zero. But absolute zero is infinitely colder. Absolute zero is infinitely colder than 0.0000000000000001 k

Resisting 10000000000000000000000000000000 doesn't mean you are resistant against infinity.

The Boomerang Nebula sits at -172C

Absolute zero is -174C

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Far enough away from a star space hits 99% absolute zero.

So yeah pretty much space is...
Absolute zero=/=99% absolute zero. Scientists have reached that temperature in real world IIRC.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The Boomerang Nebula sits at -172C

Absolute zero is -174C
Wut?

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Originally posted by pym-ftw
The Boomerang Nebula sits at -172C

Absolute zero is -174C absolute zero is -273c

But like I said, absolute zero is infinitely colder than even a temperature a millionth of a degree above absolute zero.

Also iceman powers don't work as you think. He actually controls the atoms of moisture. Full potential iceman should have full control and stop atoms from moving (absolute zero). So he should be omnipotent with anything containing moisture. Now iceman in comics never reached this potential.

272.15
273.1

Sorry about that

Post-Death Seed Iceman could casually on a whim turn the entire freaking planet into a snowball. That entire comic took all those Iceman theories that have been floating around and flipped them. Instead of being so dangerous because of the potential applications of his abilities it's because of just raw power. A bit meh tbh as there are too many such stories as it is. I preferred him being a scalpel instead of another hammer.

Iceman can produce temperatures near absolute zero but I doubt that's going to stop Thor. Neither is freezing his insides.

That being said, Iceman was able to encase Thor temporarily (Granted by surprise but still) so I think I'm going to go with him. This average day to day Thor I'm talking about however. If you take solo series Thor, some high end incarnation, or an amped version, ice isn't stopping him.