K1ll3r
Hey everyone!
This is my first topic in this area, I am not really in the know with all of your conspiracy theories and whatnot, but I have read about what you guys talk about, and this isn't nearly as interesting as that =P however it is still fairly interesting. Just an fyi, this isn't exactly a conspiracy just propaganda of sorts (people always saying you need protection).
First some background of myself, ever since I was young I wanted to be a 'Programmer' developing applications or games. This lead to some not so legal activities once I really found the Internet and created random viruses and worms and spread them out, (Back then I basically copy and pasted code and just changed some things to do whatever I wanted). So after reviewing what I 'made' back then I see they basically targetted a single firewall\anti-virus package and would just go through the vulnerabilities in them.
So I decided to do a little experiment, first I got my laptop with Vista on it and took off all Security measures and kept the Norton Internet Security Suite on. Second, I got my desktop running XP SP 2 and I took off all Security measures all together (Nothing would ever pop-up or say a virus was present).
Now with that in place I then visited some Warez sites and downloaded keygens and cracks (anti-virus and firewalls usually say these are viruses or trojans or contain them). So what happened after a while was my Laptops explorer became widly erratic and didn't work as intended, Norton found up to 20 viruses\adware etc on it after the searching done. However my desktop had nothing wrong with it at all, it still ran normally and explorer still worked fine, I was conversing with my friend about this and he said to install AVG on my desktop and scan to see if there was anything, so I did a scan and found one cookie that MAY have been malicious (it wasn't, just crude login information for a cruddy website my friend also owed me 20 dollars afterwards).
So in conclusion:
Windows Vista, without built in security, but with Norton ended up with 20 viruses\adware etc. (I had to format my lappy at that point because it was almost unusable)
Windows XP SP2, without any security at all ended up with a cookie that may have been malicious.
I have a few theories:
Theory 1:
Due to the fact that 'everyone' now uses some kind of firewall or multiple firewalls / anti-virus packages, the creators of these malicious softwares believe to ever infect anyone they have to target specific domains i.e Norton Internet Security, AVG, Kapersky etc. (This is my most prominent theory).
Theory 2:
Malicious software creators are in fact the Firewall / Anti-Virus package makers, but use a group of 'Blackhat Script Kiddies' to create variants and different versions while also distributing them.
Theory 3:
Malicious software is created by opponents in the commercial world to fight eachother and try and get people to hate the product and switch to theirs. e.g. AVG creates a Virus that specifically targets Norton and gets people pissed with Norton, they then again use 'Script Kiddies' to do the big distribution and variant creation.
It could be any of them or a combination of them or even all 3!
Oh well, I am just going to enjoy no slow down on my computer from having an anti-virus package and needing to scan all the time =P.
If you have any questions feel free to ask, and all comments are welcome!
Thanks, K1ll3r.
This is my first topic in this area, I am not really in the know with all of your conspiracy theories and whatnot, but I have read about what you guys talk about, and this isn't nearly as interesting as that =P however it is still fairly interesting. Just an fyi, this isn't exactly a conspiracy just propaganda of sorts (people always saying you need protection).
First some background of myself, ever since I was young I wanted to be a 'Programmer' developing applications or games. This lead to some not so legal activities once I really found the Internet and created random viruses and worms and spread them out, (Back then I basically copy and pasted code and just changed some things to do whatever I wanted). So after reviewing what I 'made' back then I see they basically targetted a single firewall\anti-virus package and would just go through the vulnerabilities in them.
So I decided to do a little experiment, first I got my laptop with Vista on it and took off all Security measures and kept the Norton Internet Security Suite on. Second, I got my desktop running XP SP 2 and I took off all Security measures all together (Nothing would ever pop-up or say a virus was present).
Now with that in place I then visited some Warez sites and downloaded keygens and cracks (anti-virus and firewalls usually say these are viruses or trojans or contain them). So what happened after a while was my Laptops explorer became widly erratic and didn't work as intended, Norton found up to 20 viruses\adware etc on it after the searching done. However my desktop had nothing wrong with it at all, it still ran normally and explorer still worked fine, I was conversing with my friend about this and he said to install AVG on my desktop and scan to see if there was anything, so I did a scan and found one cookie that MAY have been malicious (it wasn't, just crude login information for a cruddy website my friend also owed me 20 dollars afterwards).
So in conclusion:
Windows Vista, without built in security, but with Norton ended up with 20 viruses\adware etc. (I had to format my lappy at that point because it was almost unusable)
Windows XP SP2, without any security at all ended up with a cookie that may have been malicious.
I have a few theories:
Theory 1:
Due to the fact that 'everyone' now uses some kind of firewall or multiple firewalls / anti-virus packages, the creators of these malicious softwares believe to ever infect anyone they have to target specific domains i.e Norton Internet Security, AVG, Kapersky etc. (This is my most prominent theory).
Theory 2:
Malicious software creators are in fact the Firewall / Anti-Virus package makers, but use a group of 'Blackhat Script Kiddies' to create variants and different versions while also distributing them.
Theory 3:
Malicious software is created by opponents in the commercial world to fight eachother and try and get people to hate the product and switch to theirs. e.g. AVG creates a Virus that specifically targets Norton and gets people pissed with Norton, they then again use 'Script Kiddies' to do the big distribution and variant creation.
It could be any of them or a combination of them or even all 3!
Oh well, I am just going to enjoy no slow down on my computer from having an anti-virus package and needing to scan all the time =P.
If you have any questions feel free to ask, and all comments are welcome!
Thanks, K1ll3r.