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Superman- Sundipped Our Worlds At war

VS

Rune King Thor

Does Thor avenge the loss or is it 2-0 for Superman?

RK Thor, easily.

2-0 Supes

Originally posted by shokosugi
2-0 Supes How does Supes even touch him?

RKT with ease.

RKT. Magic.

RKT easily

Rune King Thor stomps.

RKT stomps.

RKT might win this, but it's not that easy. Superman was operating on a rediculous level in OWAW.

Rune King Thor "might" win this?

facepalm

Superman gets stomped.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
RKT might win this, but it's not that easy. Superman was operating on a rediculous level in OWAW. RK thor was operating on an even higher level. There is nothing Superman can really do here to win.

RKT

RKT FTW

Woah... No. Just no.

Originally posted by quanchi112
RK thor was operating on an even higher level. There is nothing Superman can really do here to win.

O rly? I should point out that RKT could never duplicate the feats Superman did in that arc. Superman fought B-13, Warworld and Imperiex Prime.

I should point out that RKT could duplicate the feats Superman did in that arc.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
RKT might win this, but it's not that easy.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9292/1452fq6.gif

What the....

Superman has 0 chances here.

Superman wins. He has heat vision

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
O rly? I should point out that RKT could never duplicate the feats Superman did in that arc. Superman fought B-13, Warworld and Imperiex Prime.



Put him in the same situation and he can. Far easier.

Rune King Thor > Odin >(By a margin) Sun Dipped Superman

OWAW Supes has a shot. Durability amped by several magnitudes, strength amped to several magnitudes. We have to assume Thor packs more of a punch than Braniac 13's Imperiex powered weapons.

Other than that you have to assume a magic "weakness" for Supes, something that's been quite misinterpreted post crisis.

Havn't seen RKT stand any powerful blows from anything close to Sun dipped Superman or speed reaction for that matter.

RKT arc was too short and lacks other powerful character to build-up his image. IMO

I vote for RKT.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Put him in the same situation and he can. Far easier.

Rune King Thor > Odin >(By a margin) Sun Dipped Superman

That guy is obviously not to be taken seriously. How does the ability or inability to duplicate the feats of a person with a different powerset somehow give u victory in a match? (though as u said RKT would easily be able to replicate anything done in that arc).

RKT turns superman into the wind. match over.

Spite. This isn't classic Thor. RKT barely notices the red caped flea

RKT for the win

Originally posted by Naija boy
That guy is obviously not to be taken seriously. How does the ability or inability to duplicate the feats of a person with a different powerset somehow give u victory in a match? (though as u said RKT would easily be able to replicate anything done in that arc).

RKT turns superman into the wind. match over.

True. Anyone who thinks Superman has a shot, Sun Dipped or not does not know what Odin can do and what Rune King Thor can do.

I mean, how is this even a fight?

Odin stomps Superman, Sun Dipped or not. Rune King Thor is beyond someone like Odin.

RKT with ease. Where is Avlon when you need him?

Originally posted by Naija boy
That guy is obviously not to be taken seriously. How does the ability or inability to duplicate the feats of a person with a different powerset somehow give u victory in a match? (though as u said RKT would easily be able to replicate anything done in that arc).

RKT turns superman into the wind. match over.

You're dissing TP but he's only playing devils advocate. Outside of a potential BFR or trying to obliterate him, RKT doesn't have as many options as you might think.

And everyone of Supes stats have been amped enough to handle a being like Branaic 13 with Imperiex powered war world, no mean feat.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're dissing TP but he's only playing devils advocate. Outside of a potential BFR or trying to obliterate him, RKT doesn't have as many options as you might think.

And everyone of Supes stats have been amped enough to handle a being like Branaic 13 with Imperiex powered war world, no mean feat.

Huh? RKT is above skyfather level. He has numerous options like obliteration/time manip/BFR/transmutation/ and the list goes on.

Superman being amped enough to push warworld and what not puts him nowhere near RKTs level overall. Not even close.

Magic weakness has -nothing- to do with RKT beating the crap out of Superman here. Superman could be ridiculously durable to magic and he would still get destroyed. Thor can't even be killed in this shape, all he has to do is write a rune and he is resurrected.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True. Anyone who thinks Superman has a shot, Sun Dipped or not does not know what Odin can do and what Rune King Thor can do.

I mean, how is this even a fight?

Odin stomps Superman, Sun Dipped or not. Rune King Thor is beyond someone like Odin.

Originally posted by Allankles
OWAW Supes has a shot. Durability amped by several magnitudes, strength amped to several magnitudes. We have to assume Thor packs more of a punch than Braniac 13's Imperiex powered weapons.

Other than that you have to assume a magic "weakness" for Supes, something that's been quite misinterpreted post crisis. Did you read the ragnarok arc?

its a fight because sun dipped has taken on the likes of imperiex. sun dipped = wank mode

Originally posted by Allankles
Outside of a potential BFR or trying to obliterate him, RKT doesn't have as many options as you might think.

Yeah, you pretty much nailed the options on the head.

RKT would easily kill Pre Crisis Superman or Superman Prime. This weaker version of Superman won't be much more than an annoynce for him.

Interesting thread.

Sun dipped Superman overpowered thousands of galaxies worth of power. It's very feasible that Superman could one shot RKT. Also Superman is astronomically faster than RKT. He would absolutely view him as a near statue.
It took RKT several seconds just to do anything exotic. 1 second to Superman is an eternity.

RKT is stronger than Odin,what is superman gonna do? Lolz..thor shitstomps

Originally posted by Genii96
RKT is stronger than Odin,what is superman gonna do? Lolz..thor shitstomps
What can Thor do which Imperiex powered B13 couldn't? B13 was alone tearing entire timelines to shreds while fighting Imperiex across infinite timelines while also converting the entire universe into his image.

Superman made him his *****.

Just like he would do to Thor here.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Put him in the same situation and he can. Far easier.

Rune King Thor > Odin >(By a margin) Sun Dipped Superman
crylaugh

RKT can overpower Imperiex powered B13?

B13 can alone rip entire time space continuum apart.

http://i.imgur.com/ag1C2oJ.jpg

Originally posted by starlock
RKT for the win

Originally posted by starlock
RKT for the win

Originally posted by abhilegend

B13 can alone rip entire time space continuum apart.

http://i.imgur.com/ag1C2oJ.jpg
According to that scan, it's the concept of "time" of a single Timeline being affected.
If you wouldn't mind so we understand this scenario better,
can you post the scans of the actual feat taking place?
Did B13 use tech, or was it an energy blast, or did he wave his hand?
Or rather, it was the result of B13's battle with Imperiex? (like a synergetic affect?)

I'm genuinely interested in knowing how Superman > a guy who can affect the concept of time on a universal scale.

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to that scan, it's the concept of "time" of a single Timeline being affected.
If you wouldn't mind so we understand this scenario better,
can you post the scans of the actual feat taking place?
Did B13 use tech, or was it an energy blast, or did he wave his hand?
Or rather, it was the result of B13's battle with Imperiex? (like a synergetic affect?)

I'm genuinely interested in knowing how Superman > a guy who can affect the concept of time on a universal scale.
B13 was downloading his entire persona into a thousand million vectors simultaneously to wage war on omni-temporal fronts to Imperiex while he conquered the universe in far future. He was doing it in every timeline possible.

http://i.imgur.com/qnW12l4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XaUrthm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Y4uWH9Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2v0JU9i.jpg

Waverider even states him as "Ravager of timelines".

Superman does shit like this on regular intervals. Once he punched through his own death and defeated her.

How does that makes any sense? I don't know.

Sundipped Superman from OWAW wins, and it isn't even close.

Originally posted by abhilegend

B13 was downloading his entire persona into a thousand million vectors simultaneously to wage war on omni-temporal fronts to Imperiex while he conquered the universe in far future.

He was doing it in every timeline possible.

http://i.imgur.com/qnW12l4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XaUrthm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Y4uWH9Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2v0JU9i.jpg

Waverider even states him as "Ravager of timelines".
Interesting, yet confusing. They make it seem like it's a single universe containing multiple timelines.
But then we have the "omni-temporal" line, which to me means "all time." All "time" can be interpreted differently.

What's a "vector?" It smells like a 'timeline' in the context it's being used. A scan would be nice though.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman ... Once he punched through his own death and defeated her.
Holy! .. he actually defeated Endless Death?

I gotta see that. If he did that, he's beyond both Odin and RKT.
Originally posted by abhilegend

How does that makes any sense? I don't know.
I know. DC sucks.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting, yet confusing. They make it seem like it's a single universe containing multiple timelines.

Infinite universes. It was revealed as a multiverse which eventually collapsed into a single universe.


Its timeline.

Not endless Death. Cosmic avatar of Death which ended creation in the same comic.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-57.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-58.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-59.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-60.jpg

And here is Death claiming entire universeS.

Originally posted by abhilegend
BTW here is Death destroying entire universe to destroy superman's will.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15137956_supersting-40_zpsea339a47.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15137957_supersting-41_zps27072470.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15137958_supersting-42_zps23aa4e95.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15137959_supersting-44_zps238f5a3f.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15137960_supersting-45_zps00e08cc4.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15137961_supersting-47_zps6a9f4aa5.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15137962_supersting-48-49_zpscb0ad26e.jpg

It was universal Death.

"worlds will dissolve, universes will perish"

http://i.imgur.com/p6PWJhR.jpg?1




Marvel sucks more.

Someone probably want to PM Operator about those Death scans ABHI posted. Operator did a good job breaking that scene down.

The Superman Wank is strong.


RKT stomps him with relative ease.

Originally posted by carver9
Someone probably want to PM Operator about those Death scans ABHI posted. Operator did a good job breaking that scene down.
Lulz. He didn't. Death itself conceded that Superman beat it.Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
The Superman Wank is strong.


RKT stomps him with relative ease.
Or we know how powerful he was.

Is there anyone fool enough to actually claim Superman has a prayer against RKT?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Infinite universes.

It was revealed as a multiverse which eventually collapsed into a single universe.
I'm sure ... but I'll need scans.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Its timeline.
Scans?
Originally posted by abhilegend

Not endless Death. Cosmic avatar of Death which ended creation in the same comic.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-57.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-58.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-59.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=supersting-60.jpg
"Creation" is not "ending" in those scans above. Cosmically speaking? Nothing's happening there except for Supes escape.
Originally posted by abhilegend

And here is Death claiming entire universeS.
I haven't seen one scan where this "Death avatar" is claiming even one universe.
Originally posted by abhilegend

here is Death destroying entire universe to destroy superman's will
According to those scans, the "Death avatar" is pushing Supes forward in "time" to the ends of the universe.

The "Death avatar" itself is not destroying that universe directly.

That's actually the self-perpetuating cycle of "Entropy" doing that.
Originally posted by abhilegend

"worlds will dissolve, universes will perish"

http://i.imgur.com/p6PWJhR.jpg?1
The full page please.

It seems "avatar Death" is just speaking in general,
telling Supes that while everything else dies, (a product of Entropy) he will live on.

The full scan should elaborate.

Sexy:



heh ... better than an empty slot with the term: "edit."

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to those scans, the "Death avatar" is pushing Supes forward in "time" to the ends of the universe.

The "Death avatar" itself is not destroying that universe directly.

That's actually the self-perpetuating cycle of "Entropy" doing that.

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Anyway, even if the feat was as you suppose it to be, it's not that big of a deal imo.

Korvac re-created an entire universe 100's of times over to affect Captain America's "will."

72 Reality re-creations:




Here we have 100's ...




But Cap's "will" was just too strong:



Remove your doubt and just BELIEVE in the power of Superman and The House of El!

Superman stomps thor

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Is there anyone fool enough to actually claim Superman has a prayer against RKT?

Sure, Superman can pray for a quick death.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sexy:



heh ... better than an empty slot with the term: "edit."

That booty doesn't look real.

Originally posted by carver9

That booty doesn't look real.
Perhaps, I never had it unfortunately so I wouldn't know.

Her name is Ines Helen, she's definitely one of the sexiest women out there in public light.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Ines+Helen+pics&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBYQsARqFQoTCLv-trzq-ccCFU_vgAodhRYEgA


http://the305.com/2015/04/06/ines-helene-aka-ini-helen-from-instagram-44-photos/

Damn, attractive face, shapely petite figure, backside that puts j.lo to shame
and a pair that makes you wanna stand up and beg for butter milk.

... and that super sexy mouth, looks like it can suck start a leaf blower.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Perhaps, I never had it unfortunately so I wouldn't know.

Her name is Ines Helen, she's definitely one of the sexiest women out there in public light.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Ines+Helen+pics&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBYQsARqFQoTCLv-trzq-ccCFU_vgAodhRYEgA


http://the305.com/2015/04/06/ines-helene-aka-ini-helen-from-instagram-44-photos/

Damn, attractive face, shapely petite figure, backside that puts j.lo to shame
and a pair that makes you wanna stand up and beg for butter milk.

... and that super sexy mouth, looks like it can suck start a leaf blower.



I agree with everything you said, especially the mouth part.

Smh...

Rune King Thor wins easily. He waves his hand, and bye bye Superman.

Superman punches himself back into existence.

Originally posted by carver9


I agree with everything you said, especially the mouth part.


Superfanboys are grossed out. She isn't shit compared to pancake ass Louis Lane.

I'm 100% on board with the "Superman can overcome all challenges" idea, but there's a lot of excessive wanking going on here.

Vague scans are being taken to extremes with limited context for how things happened or time. Then terrible ABC logic is thrown on top.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Superfanboys are grossed out. She isn't shit compared to pancake ass Louis Lane.

Superman must have butt raped you as child.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Superman must have butt raped you as child. Thor wins

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Superman must have butt raped you as child.

lolz!

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Superman must have butt raped you as child.

Is that how it spreads?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thor wins

I agree Thor wins this, however BAV is like a raging teen on a period.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm sure ... but I'll need scans.

Scans?


Already provided.

Well, thanks for your useless commentary. Who do you think was claiming universes at the end of the universe?

Of course it is.

Which was what the avatar was. Why do you think it was infuriated with Superman?

I already posted that. Do you want glasses?

Which the Death will claim. Any other questions?

RKT stomps.

Sun dipped Superman was only about 2x as powerful than normal

Welcome back big dog.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Welcome back big dog. Thanks, how's things?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanks, how's things?

Same shit, watching the world fall apart and talking about Carver.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Already provided.
I didn't see it friend.

You said: "it was revealed as a multiverse which eventually collapsed into a single universe" ...

Can you please oblige me with the proof?
Originally posted by abhilegend

Who do you think was claiming universes at the end of the universe?
I haven't seen anyone "claiming universes" in your scans friend.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Of course it is.
I have to disagree.

It was simply pushing Supes forward in "time" to the natural entropic ends of the universe.

If there's evidence that says otherwise, I'd be glad to view it friend.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Which was what the avatar was.
I haven't seen proof of the "Death avatar" being proclaimed as the embodiment of "Entropy."
The only reason I see for the "avatar" to be pissed, is cause it will never claim Supes.
Originally posted by abhilegend

I already posted that.

This is all you posted: (a cropped page)

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24071501_the_rest.jpg

Full page would be appreciated please.

Originally posted by Zack M
lolz!

More likely that he butt raped your entire Kindergarten class and you grew up to like it. He really can do anything.

Originally posted by burrrrrr
Is that how it spreads?

What, the h1 virus? You know how it spreads, and I ain't talking about no blood transfusion.

Thor has Magic.....and this is Rune King Thor....he stomps a Sun Dipped Superman if this was like Pre/One Million then yeah he would stomp but this is just a sun dipped superman.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
RKT stomps.

Sun dipped Superman was only about 2x as powerful than normal


That's what I used to think too but someone (Prof McAbe, I think) posted a very convincing argument that he was at least 100 times more powerful than normal in a difference thread recently.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Superman must have butt raped you as child.

Originally posted by Star428


Jokes on you. Superman used his red bikinis to draw you in as a child. You never had a chance.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Jokes on you. Superman used his red bikinis to draw you in as a child. You never had a chance.

Actually the joke was on you.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What, the h1 virus? You know how it spreads, and I ain't talking about no blood transfusion.

Originally posted by Star428
That's what I used to think too but someone (Prof McAbe, I think) posted a very convincing argument that he was at least 100 times more powerful than normal in a difference thread recently.

Now I know you're lying, Prof never posts anything convincing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now I know you're lying, Prof never posts anything convincing.

How is this a fight?

This is like a dollar store squirt gun vs a Tsunami...

The skyfather+ Thor wins easily.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
How is this a fight?

This is like a dollar store squirt gun vs a Tsunami...

The skyfather+ Thor wins easily.
Not really. This Superman kicks the asses of skyfathers like Imperiex powered B13 casually.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I didn't see it friend.

You said: "it was revealed as a multiverse which eventually collapsed into a single universe" ...

Can you please oblige me with the proof?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14370019

There you go.



Which it was claiming as death of all beings.

Like it did to all beings and entire creation.


Isn't that what you do? How does it matters again?

I'd imagine something similar to what happened here, happening is sun dipped Superman fought RK Thor. The only difference is that the beating would be far more severe.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/sp/0e7a1624434b05b23e96d72b0204d15f/2897928.jpg

Wish I knew how to shrink that scan.

Heck, Imperiex probes destroyed Old Gods and destroyed the Godworld which unleashed Godwave.

Nobody thinks RKT is more powerful than Old Gods and Godwave, do they?

Everybody does.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody thinks RKT Superman/Doomsday is more powerful than Old Gods and Godwave, do they?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now I know you're lying, Prof never posts anything convincing.

Thor wins.

Superman when serious is able to kill abstracts.

Superman > Imperiex probe > rune king thor

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to those scans, the "Death avatar" is pushing Supes forward in "time" to the ends of the universe.


I agree.

In fact, Superman states on-panel that he's been "moved across time"

http://s30.postimg.org/y2togfmc1/Supes.jpg

That "death" entity wasn't destroying the universe like abhi claimed. Conflating being moved into the future with destroying the universe is a pretty monumental error.

Originally posted by Cogito
I'm 100% on board with the "Superman can overcome all challenges" idea, but there's a lot of excessive wanking going on here.

Vague scans are being taken to extremes with limited context for how things happened or time. Then terrible ABC logic is thrown on top.


100% agree.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman when serious is able to kill abstracts.

Superman > Imperiex probe > rune king thor

Originally posted by abhilegend

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14370019

There you go.
Full page please. I'd appreciate also the prior page and the following page
to understand the context behind that conversation.
Anyway, I always thought the DC multiverse collapse and became one reality at the PC Anti-Monitor incident?
Originally posted by abhilegend

Which it was claiming as death of all beings.

Like it did to all beings and entire creation.
I disagree. Further evidence below:
Originally posted by One-Punch
I agree.

In fact, Superman states on-panel that he's been "moved across time"



That "death" entity wasn't destroying the universe like abhi claimed.
Conflating being moved into the future with destroying the universe is a pretty monumental error.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Isn't that what you do? How does it matters again?
Yea I do it, but my crops are posted accordingly, (sometimes full pages are needed)
and I have no problem with posting a Full page instead if someone requested it.

So, Full page please friend.

What durability feats against blunt force supports Thor being able to withstand getting punched from such a Superman (overpowering the Imperiex begotten force)? Also what speed feats does he have that supports Superman not able to see him frozen in time?

Originally posted by h1a8
What durability feats against blunt force supports Thor being able to withstand getting punched from such a Superman (overpowering the Imperiex begotten force)? Also what speed feats does he have that supports Superman not able to see him frozen in time?

Superman moves so fast that he can rend time itself, and he has strength that can erase abstract concepts such as Entropy (Imperiex).

Superman really does transcend Abstract levels when he needs, such as overpowering/out speeding death, Entropy, Eternity, etc.

^^^ Clownshoes. You literally make other superman fans, sans ABHI, look reasonable

OWAW Superman was already 5-10 times stronger than his trans level bests, with the sundip this increased at least by a factor of 100. This would allow him to stomp rkt. Some not so smart people should read owaw before making clueless comments.

So in your opinion superman at base best is 500x weaker?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
So in your opinion superman at base best is 500x weaker?

At least, yes. That's what Loeb showed us, take it for what it's worth.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
So in your opinion superman at base best is 500x weaker?


Superman never truly loses power, rather he just starts actualizing more of his always constant suppressed potential.

Superman is the most powerful abstract entity in all comics, and in OWAW superman was tapping a slight bit more of his abstract power than he nornally does.

Does this make sense to you, my son?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
At least, yes. That's what Loeb showed us, take it for what it's worth.

Yeah...so when Byrne has low showings, we disregard it and call it 'Byrne Superman', but never 'Loeb Superman'. Hmmm.

Superclowns are at it again eh, lmao at SD Superman been anything above sky father lvl

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah...so when Byrne has low showings, we disregard it and call it 'Byrne Superman', but never 'Loeb Superman'. Hmmm.

Byrne Era Superman was drawn and written by multiple writers/artist and had a consistent level that Byne established, since this time he has grown in power, which is the reason why we distinguish post CotiE into Byrne Era and post Byrne Era, Loeb Force Superman was the epitome of this evolution which resulted in a on average trans level char that can tap into skyfather+ tiers if needed, see FC. So yes we can call the Superman after OWAW Loeb Superman till FC, though he went back with his mental blockades after OWAW as he was too dangerous.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/35951/3773878-superman+sun_dip1.jpg

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Superclowns are at it again eh, lmao at SD Superman been anything above sky father lvl


I know, it's just silly.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Superclowns are at it again eh, lmao at SD Superman been anything above sky father lvl
Originally posted by Stoic
I know, it's just silly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heck, Imperiex probes destroyed Old Gods and destroyed the Godworld which unleashed Godwave.

Nobody thinks RKT is more powerful than Old Gods and Godwave, do they?

Hippolyta and Aquaman breached a probe's armor and destroyed it, are they greater than Old Gods and the Godwave too?

This just in..

Black Lightning and Lane/tank > Old Gods

This is carver lowball level, be ashamed. They needed amps, every one of those defeats came in with a price, the lives of those who oppsed a Probe. Their feat is not like Supermans, because he survived it and oneshoted them, without amps.

So because a Probe can be destroyed by an amped being that dies in the process, or the plot that comes with a sacrifice, makes every feat of Superman who oneshot Probes that defeated the whole JLA invalid? Gimme a break.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This just in..

Black Lightning and Lane/tank > Old Gods
This just in...

Saying Superman isn't abstract/skyfather level is lowballing him.

RKT EVERY time

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
This is carver lowball level, be ashamed. They needed amps, every one of those defeats came in with a price, the lives of those who oppsed a Probe. Their feat is not like Supermans, because he survived it and oneshoted them, without amps.

So because a Probe can be destroyed by an amped being that dies in the process, or the plot that comes with a sacrifice, makes every feat of Superman who oneshot Probes that defeated the whole JLA invalid? Gimme a break.

Still, the claim is that relatively low level people with amps can achieve what Old Gods cannot.

The only problem is lowballing the shit out of what happened to Old Gods off panel and without context, and using that "evidence" to improperly elevate Superman

Originally posted by Cogito
Still, the claim is that relatively low level people with amps can achieve what Old Gods cannot.

The only problem is lowballing the shit out of what happened to Old Gods off panel and without context, and using that "evidence" to improperly elevate Superman

So you want old gods to be capable to breach the armor of a Probe and die in the process?

Lowballing is always the proplem as is highballing. We can estimate Supermans amps and the power of the Probes. I don't said anything about the old gods till now but fighting lowballing with lowballing won't make it better.

What makes people believe that RK Thor could not obliterate millions of Probes? He pulled Loki's head off like he was plucking a grape. Lokis was amped to a decent degree as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
What makes people believe that RK Thor could not obliterate millions of Probes? He pulled Loki's head off like he was plucking a grape. Lokis was amped to a decent degree as well.

What makes people believe he can?

We know who the Probes defeated, from lowest to highest showings we can estimate where they rank, they have the feats. Now we know where Superman and his peers can be placed compared to them. We also can see how much power Superman had to gain in order to perform as he did against them. And in the end we see that the sundip gave him at least an 100x powerboost.

So, where would you rank a Probe that can defeat the entire JLA? High Trans?
Where would you rank a Probe that can defeat a Herald? Low Trans or HH?
Where would you rank a Probe that can defeat 100.000 Daxamites? Skyfather?
Where would you rank Superman who oneshotted multiple of those Probes?
Where would you rank Superman who gained an 100+ powerboost?

What do we know of RKT. Show us his best feats, who has he defeated? The old Gods? What feats do they have? Genuinely asking.
Where would you rank RKT based on feats?
Where would you rank the old Gods based on feats?

Sure we can work with a no limits fallacy but this would be pointless.

The probe that Superman fought was easily Oldgod level, which is above skyfather level.

People may not like it but Superman has the greatest range of potential out of any comic character in history, he is the center concept/abstract of which all of DC hinges upon (this is mentioned on panel, batman is also mentioned as another one of the foundation concepts). When Superman defeated Imperiex who was the multiversal abstract of entropy, he ascended far beyond multiversal abstract level for that battle.

In short Superman is a Multi-megaversal abstract that becomes whatever it needs to be in order to keep the organism that is DC alive, this has also been mentioned/alluded to on panel during the cosmic armor arc.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
What makes people believe he can?

We know who the Probes defeated, from lowest to highest showings we can estimate where they rank, they have the feats. Now we know where Superman and his peers can be placed compared to them. We also can see how much power Superman had to gain in order to perform as he did against them. And in the end we see that the sundip gave him at least an 100x powerboost.

So, where would you rank a Probe that can defeat the entire JLA? High Trans?
Where would you rank a Probe that can defeat a Herald? Low Trans or HH?
Where would you rank a Probe that can defeat 100.000 Daxamites? Skyfather?
Where would you rank Superman who oneshotted multiple of those Probes?
Where would you rank Superman who gained an 100+ powerboost?

What do we know of RKT. Show us his best feats, who has he defeated? The old Gods? What feats do they have? Genuinely asking.
Where would you rank RKT based on feats?
Where would you rank the old Gods based on feats?

Sure we can work with a no limits fallacy but this would be pointless.

I'd rank it at low trans. Throwing a bunch of weaklings at one very strong character still means that those characters get dusted. RK Thor was above Odin's level. Saying that Superman got a boost that made him 100 times more powerful is wild speculation. He may have only been 2 times or 4 times more powerful. Show me where it ever states that he was 100 times more powerful.

King Thor who was far weaker than RK Thor was able to warp America's shield, which up to that point hadn't been damaged by anything less than Thanos with the IG. RK Thor also had powers above the physical, which means that speed, and punches would mean little to someone that could simply pause time on him. There are feats, and there is contextual dialog. How many feats does the Living Tribunal have? Does this mean that Sun dipped Superman could beat him? How many feats does the Anti Life entity have? Does this mean that Sun dipped Superman can defeat it?

Originally posted by Cogito

What can I say? OWAW was the ultimate wankfest.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I agree.

In fact, Superman states on-panel that he's been "moved across time"

http://s30.postimg.org/y2togfmc1/Supes.jpg

That "death" entity wasn't destroying the universe like abhi claimed. Conflating being moved into the future with destroying the universe is a pretty monumental error.

Death moved Superman in time to see the universe being destroyed by its hand. Its flat out stated several times that the universe died by Death's hands.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Full page please. I'd appreciate also the prior page and the following page
to understand the context behind that conversation.
Anyway, I always thought the DC multiverse collapse and became one reality at the PC Anti-Monitor incident?

That's the only relevant scene of the whole issue.

Imperiex had been collapsing the entire creation before.



Nope.






Will do once I am near my comics again. Right now I'm not.

Originally posted by Cogito
Hippolyta and Aquaman breached a probe's armor and destroyed it, are they greater than Old Gods and the Godwave too?
Did they do it under their own power?

Originally posted by Board Walker
The probe that Superman fought was easily Oldgod level, which is above skyfather level.

People may not like it but Superman has the greatest range of potential out of any comic character in history, he is the center concept/abstract of which all of DC hinges upon (this is mentioned on panel, batman is also mentioned as another one of the foundation concepts). When Superman defeated Imperiex who was the multiversal abstract of entropy, he ascended far beyond multiversal abstract level for that battle.

In short Superman is a Multi-megaversal abstract that becomes whatever it needs to be in order to keep the organism that is DC alive, this has also been mentioned/alluded to on panel during the cosmic armor arc.


According to you, nobody, anywhere could beat Superman. Not even the writers. Do you have any idea how insane that sounds.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
According to you, nobody, anywhere could beat Superman. Not even the writers. Do you have any idea how insane that sounds.

He said Batman is Abstract as well. Don't take him seriously.

Board Walker=Carver9 in terms of anything debating no offense.....but its true.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Death moved Superman in time to see the universe being destroyed by its hand. Its flat out stated several times that the universe died by Death's hands.
Nope, you're not reading your own scans.

All that Death entity did was move Superman far into the future to a time where everything has naturally died to show the inevitability of death.

^^ ...
Originally posted by BeyonderGod

Board Walker=Carver9 in terms of anything debating no offense.....but its true.
If you're not joking ... then, hell no!

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ...

If you're not joking ... then, hell no!

There's a good reason why Abhi refuses to post the un-cropped scan you requested, I'll post the full page below.

http://s29.postimg.org/teuy92koj/1687963_supersting33cu9.jpg


And here's the part abhi cropped out and refuses show:

http://s28.postimg.org/zachdmq5p/Death.jpg

Originally posted by One-Punch
Nope, you're not reading your own scans.

All that Death entity did was move Superman far into the future to a time where everything has naturally died to show the inevitability of death. Death is RESPONSIBLE for things dying. If things die naturally (without Death having anything to do with it), then what is Death's purpose?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
RKT EVERY time

What do you think would happen if Superman punches RKT in the face?
Would RKT tank it, would he be koed, or would he be killed?
Explain why to your answer.

Originally posted by Board Walker
The probe that Superman fought was easily Oldgod level, which is above skyfather level.

People may not like it but Superman has the greatest range of potential out of any comic character in history, he is the center concept/abstract of which all of DC hinges upon (this is mentioned on panel, batman is also mentioned as another one of the foundation concepts). When Superman defeated Imperiex who was the multiversal abstract of entropy, he ascended far beyond multiversal abstract level for that battle.

In short Superman is a Multi-megaversal abstract that becomes whatever it needs to be in order to keep the organism that is DC alive, this has also been mentioned/alluded to on panel during the cosmic armor arc.

Now the probe is above Skyfather level? Jesus you're a moron. I mean, as dumb as dumb can get.

Originally posted by One-Punch
There's a good reason why Abhi refuses to post the un-cropped scan you requested, I'll post the full page below.

http://s29.postimg.org/teuy92koj/1687963_supersting33cu9.jpg


And here's the part abhi cropped out and refuses show:

http://s28.postimg.org/zachdmq5p/Death.jpg

Wow,BUSTED!!!

Wow, the most important part
http://s14.postimg.org/9u371qdb5/superman.jpg

So even Death confirms Superman status. An anomaly, "universes will perish, yet you will go on and on". The Quintessence and the Linear Man also saw superman as an Nexus being. Imperiex also saw that Superman is an anomaly. Alexander Luthor found out that everything comes from Superman and in Final Crisis we learned that Superman and his story is the most powerful force in creation.

Alone by this it's clear, if Superman is serious he doesn't even needs the sundip to beat RKT.

Good to see that Supermans status is confirmed by the abstracts through differen't stories.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Nope, you're not reading your own scans.

All that Death entity did was move Superman far into the future to a time where everything has naturally died to show the inevitability of death.
Haha, what? How am I not reading my scans? Superman flat out States that the entire creation is dissolving. Death is frustrated that the whole of creation is destroyed and even then it can't claim him just like it did to the rest of the universe.

Originally posted by One-Punch
There's a good reason why Abhi refuses to post the un-cropped scan you requested, I'll post the full page below.

http://s29.postimg.org/teuy92koj/1687963_supersting33cu9.jpg


And here's the part abhi cropped out and refuses show:

http://s28.postimg.org/zachdmq5p/Death.jpg
I posted that scan because I don't have my PC with me and I could only find that scan in my post history.

Bravo, you showed that it was Superman's own death. I never claimed otherwise.
Originally posted by abhilegend
B13 was downloading his entire persona into a thousand million vectors simultaneously to wage war on omni-temporal fronts to Imperiex while he conquered the universe in far future. He was doing it in every timeline possible.

http://i.imgur.com/qnW12l4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XaUrthm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Y4uWH9Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2v0JU9i.jpg

Waverider even states him as "Ravager of timelines".

Superman does shit like this on regular intervals. Once he punched through his own death and defeated her.

How does that makes any sense? I don't know.

So what exactly are you trying to prove here?

Originally posted by One-Punch
There's a good reason why Abhi refuses to post the un-cropped scan you requested, I'll post the full page below.

http://s29.postimg.org/teuy92koj/1687963_supersting33cu9.jpg


And here's the part abhi cropped out and refuses show:

http://s28.postimg.org/zachdmq5p/Death.jpg

What does any of that have to do with Superman being unable to lose?
Why are people getting hung up on that one scan? People have seen him
lose to far less.

Originally posted by Stoic
What does any of that have to do with Superman being unable to lose?
Why are people getting hung up on that one scan? People have seen him
lose to far less.

If the story requires it he will lose but we are going by "full capacity" on this vs Forum, we don't write a comic here where the hero has to lose from time to time in order to make those stories interesting.

Originally posted by Stoic
What does any of that have to do with Superman being unable to lose?
Why are people getting hung up on that one scan? People have seen him
lose to far less.



Hulk doesn't lose either since an Abstract said he has limitless power and him almost taxing out an abstract that was ripping through reality.

Originally posted by One-Punch

There's a good reason why Abhi refuses to post the un-cropped scan you requested.

http://s29.postimg.org/teuy92koj/1687963_supersting33cu9.jpg

... wow ... I see clearly now.

This "Death avatar" according to its own words is strictly related to Superman, and nothing else it seems:

"I'm not just any 'Death' ... I'm your 'Death.'
Each man has his own personal shadow ... that walks with him from cradle to grave ... and I am yours alone.
All of creation follows a natural cycle. But not you! ... worlds die, universes die yet you go on."

-----------------------------------------------------

Now that the full context of what this "Death" is saying has been highlighted,
there is no doubt that it was never referring to itself killing anything but Superman in that scene.

This scenario reminds me of when Miss Death tried to convince Strange to embrace her.

Never change Carver. Superman punched a hole in Emperor Joker.

He oneshots RKT. Right?

Originally posted by Mr Master
... wow ... I see clearly now.

This "Death avatar" according to its own words is strictly related to Superman, and nothing else it seems:

"I'm not just any 'Death' ... I'm your 'Death.'
Each man has his own personal shadow ... that walks with him from cradle to grave ... and I am yours alone.
All of creation follows a natural cycle. But not you! worlds die, universes die yet you go on."

-----------------------------------------------------

Now that the full context of what this "Death" is saying has been highlighted,
there is no doubt that it was never referring to itself killing anything but Superman in that scene.

This scenario reminds me of when Miss Death tried to convince Strange to embrace her.

I stated from start that it was his own death. Doesn't changes the fact that the same Death was claiming entire creation while showing Superman that he couldn't die.

You are acting like punching through your own Death and defeating it is any less ridiculous.

Or Superman surviving the death of entire creation.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If the story requires it he will lose but we are going by "full capacity" on this vs Forum, we don't write a comic here where the hero has to lose from time to time in order to make those stories interesting.

And yet at full capacity he was unable to stop himself from being moved across time. What power will he have against being frozen in time? You're trying to compare the Justice League to Odin, and characters above him. There are actual forces in comics that trump speed, strength, and all of the other powers that Superman possesses. Not to mention that the forces that work in DC don't necessarily work to those extremes in a neutral setting.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Never change Carver. Superman punched a hole in Emperor Joker.

He oneshots RKT. Right?

I'm not even talking about who wins here. What I'm talking about is statements being used as hard core evidence. Then he interpreted it wrong.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... wow ... I see clearly now.

This "Death avatar" according to its own words is strictly related to Superman, and nothing else it seems:

"I'm not just any 'Death' ... I'm your 'Death.'
Each man has his own personal shadow ... that walks with him from cradle to grave ... and I am yours alone.
All of creation follows a natural cycle. But not you! ... worlds die, universes die yet you go on."

-----------------------------------------------------

Now that the full context of what this "Death" is saying has been highlighted,
there is no doubt that it was never referring to itself killing anything but Superman in that scene.

This scenario reminds me of when Miss Death tried to convince Strange to embrace her.



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Originally posted by Stoic
And yet at full capacity he was unable to stop himself from being moved across time. What power will he have against being frozen in time? You're trying to compare the Justice League to Odin, and characters above him. There are actual forces in comics that trump speed, strength, and all of the other powers that Superman possesses. Not to mention that the forces that work in DC don't necessarily work to those extremes in a neutral setting.
Sundipped Superman had no problem taking Warworld to the dawn of time and moving through time frozen in a microsecond.

No reason why he couldn't deal with RKT freezing time here. Not that RKT ever stopped time from my knowledge.

Originally posted by carver9


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Of course you aren't.

Originally posted by carver9


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