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Ultimate Marvel Herald (UMH)

* Silver Surfer's body, attributes, and power cosmic
- Thor's magic capabilities and Mjolnir
- Hulk's healing factor and rage amping ability (both durability and strength)
- Blackbolt's powers


vs


Ultimate DC Herald (UDH)

* Superman's body and attributes (and elimination of weaknesses to magic, kryptonite and sunlight)
- Firestorm's powers
- Hal Jordan's GL Ring and skillset and mastery of its powers
- Martian Manhunter's powers

UMH FTW.

UDH because

- Firestorm's powers
- Hal Jordan's GL Ring and skillset and mastery of its powers
- Martian Manhunter's powers

is better than

- Thor's magic capabilities and Mjolnir
- Hulk's healing factor and rage amping ability (both durability and strength)
- Blackbolt's powers

Originally posted by Spire
UDH because

- Firestorm's powers
- Hal Jordan's GL Ring and skillset and mastery of its powers
- Martian Manhunter's powers

is better than

- Thor's magic capabilities and Mjolnir
- Hulk's healing factor and rage amping ability (both durability and strength)
- Blackbolt's powers Not when you have Surfers power cosmic on top of them.

@ Firestorm's powers being better than Mjolnir's.

UMH stomp..100/10...

He didn't give Superman any weakness here. He also has GL to help him.

It's not a stomp. I just feel that Surfers set doesn't give him as much.

Originally posted by Spire
He didn't give Superman any weakness here. He also has GL to help him.

It's not a stomp. I just feel that Surfers set doesn't give him as much.

Power Cosmic + BB Scream + Mjolnir + Hulk HF doesn't give much???

i was joking when i said it's a stomp..but UMH still win 10/10..

Originally posted by Enyalus
@ Firestorm's powers being better than Mjolnir's. lol

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Power Cosmic + BB Scream + Mjolnir + Hulk HF doesn't give much???

i was joking when i said it's a stomp..but UMH still win 10/10..

What is the point of Thor's Magic and Mjolnir when you already have PC?

Hulk HF? That's the tie breaker right there!

"Oh no I got a bump on my head, I'm going to lose. Oh wait I have HF. Yay, I'm going to live."

Also, he took away Superman weaknes exploit as well.

Originally posted by Enyalus
@ Firestorm's powers being better than Mjolnir's.

Never implied that.

I was pointing out I believe the second set adds more than the first.

Originally posted by Spire
What is the point of Thor's Magic and Mjolnir when you already have PC?

Hulk HF? That's the tie breaker right there!

"Oh no I got a bump on my head, I'm going to lose. Oh wait I have HF. Yay, I'm going to live."

Also, he took away Superman weaknes exploit as well.

he can channel PC through Mjolnir making it more powerful maybe..

with the HF..he can heal from virtually any wound..add PC to that..

Superman weakness doesn't mean anything..SS can beat Supes without using any weakness exploitation..

Hulk's Rage plus power cosmic amp plus BB's scream plus Mjolnir = pwn

Originally posted by Slaanesh
he can channel PC through Mjolnir making it more powerful maybe..

with the HF..he can heal from virtually any wound..add PC to that..

Superman weakness doesn't mean anything..SS can beat Supes without using any weakness exploitation..

Basically it's all PC. Which Surfer already has.

As for Mjolnir... What makes Thor what/who he is? Him or his hammer.

Not sure HF will matter here. KO is the name of the game.

I don't see Surfer taking Superman without weakness exploit, but regardless he is still going to have to work harder with this stip.

I don't think his set works as well for him as Superman's and the weakness exploit is another chip in the pile.

Gob Blast/Transmutation/Dimensional Travel is all his hammer.

Probably some other stuff that I didn't think of.

Originally posted by Mindset
Gob Blast/Transmutation/Dimensional Travel is all his hammer.

God Blast is Thor's life force.

I don't think the godblast is an option here. He is still no Thor

Originally posted by Spire
God Blast is Thor's life force. His life force channeled through Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Spire
Basically it's all PC. Which Surfer already has.

As for Mjolnir... What makes Thor what/who he is? Him or his hammer.

Not sure HF will matter here. KO is the name of the game.

I don't see Surfer taking Superman without weakness exploit, but regardless he is still going to have to work harder with this stip.

I don't think his set works as well for him as Superman's and the weakness exploit is another chip in the pile.

no..it's PC + some other awesome power..

i put my bet on his hammer..Thor without his hammer is like Hercules..

it's hard to KO people with HF..add SS durability to that..

Surfer will beat any Herald type for majority..with or without weakness exploitation..Surfer is the top Herald type char there is..

Originally posted by Mindset
His life force channeled through Mjolnir.

Cool.

No Thor life force, No Godblast.

The OP has given the amalgam Thor's magic capabilities, it can use God blast.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
no..it's PC + some other awesome power..

i put my bet on his hammer..Thor without his hammer is like Hercules..

it's hard to KO people with HF..add SS durability to that..

Surfer will beat any Herald type for majority..with or without weakness exploitation..Surfer is the top Herald type char there is..

What does the hammer add?

Don't think so man. Can't see surfer bleeding or getting broken bones. KO is the game.

Maybe, but regardless he still is gonna have to work harder.

Originally posted by Mindset
The OP has given the amalgam Thor's magic capabilities, it can use God blast.

Can't because magic(lightning, etc.) isn't his life force.

Originally posted by Spire
Can't because magic(lightning, etc.) isn't his life force. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Mindset
The OP has given the amalgam Thor's magic capabilities, it can use God blast.

It's not just a magic capability. It's Thor's lifeforce. His Asgardian existance. Still he doesn't need this to win

Originally posted by Mindset
What are you talking about?

Just refuting stuff.

Carry on.

Originally posted by Warlord
It's not just a magic capability. It's Thor's lifeforce. His Asgardian existance. Still he doesn't need this to win Yea, we've established that.

This amalgam has the full use of Thor's magic and Mjolnir, it will use the amalgam's life force.

Originally posted by Spire
What does the hammer add?

Don't think so man. Can't see surfer bleeding or getting broken bones. KO is the game.

Maybe, but regardless he still is gonna have to work harder.

it increase attack damage..have u ever play RPG games..when u add weapon to your char..their damage increase

it's not that easy to KO Surfer..he took a blast and punch from T&A and is still conscious and able to fight..add a HF to that kinda durability..u got one though monster to KO..

yeah..it'll be a great fight..

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, we've established that.

This amalgam has the full use of Thor's magic and Mjolnir, it will use the amalgam's life force.

THat would be like the Surfer delivering a Godblast
hmmm....

I guess.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
it increase attack damage..have u ever play RPG games..when u add weapon to your char..their damage increase

it's not that easy to KO Surfer..he took a blast and punch from T&A and is still conscious and able to fight..add a HF to that kinda durability..u got one though monster to KO..

yeah..it'll be a great fight..

Supes likes to hit stuff. If we use your RPG(I basically did this as soon as I saw the thread heh) scenario Superman ends up with 'a powerful weapon'.

MM doubles his strength and Firestorm should give him a little bit also.

Also GL ring would give him a suit of armor, sword and shield, etc.

What here adds to Surfer's PC?

For him is just the same PC and a hammer.

Also Surfer can no longer exploit here too...

It's a good fight.

Supes alone can solo this b-level marvel combo.

Originally posted by Spire
Supes likes to hit stuff. If we use your RPG(I basically did this as soon as I saw the thread heh) scenario Superman ends up with 'a powerful weapon'.

MM doubles his strength and Firestorm should give him a little bit also.

Also GL ring would give him a suit of armor, sword and shield, etc.

What here adds to Surfer's PC?

For him is just the same PC and a hammer.

Also Surfer can no longer exploit here too...

It's a good fight.

Surfer can amp his strength with PC and Hulk rage too..

that armor will be destroy by BB scream ability..

they don't add to his PC..they add to his powerset

not just any hammer..it's Mjolnir..it's a weapon enhanced by Odin..

why do u keep talking about weakness exploit??it's not even that important

Originally posted by Starscream M
Ultimate Marvel Herald (UMH)

* Silver Surfer's body, attributes, and power cosmic
- Thor's magic capabilities and Mjolnir
- Hulk's healing factor and rage amping ability (both durability and strength)
- Blackbolt's powers


vs


Ultimate DC Herald (UDH)

* Superman's body and attributes (and elimination of weaknesses to magic, kryptonite and sunlight)
- Firestorm's powers
- Hal Jordan's GL Ring and skillset and mastery of its powers
- Martian Manhunter's powers
Do similar abilities among the amalgam component characters(super strength, speed, ect.) stack or overlap?

Originally posted by Spire
He didn't give Superman any weakness here. He also has GL to help him.

It's not a stomp. I just feel that Surfers set doesn't give him as much.
Surfer doesn't NEED to get as much from the opening post. The Power Cosmic already gives him advanced Matter/Energy manipulation capabilities so Firestorm and GL don't add anything that he couldn't counter WITHOUT being upgraded. It also provides psychic abilities, invisibility, intangibility, and at least some shapeshifting abilities so Manhunter doesn't really add anything that Surfer can't already counter either.

Unless the attributes of the amalgams stack together, all the additions really do is make Supes into a physically stronger version of standard Surfer if you think about it.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Surfer can amp his strength with PC and Hulk rage too..

that armor will be destroy by BB scream ability..

they don't add to his PC..they add to his powerset

not just any hammer..it's Mjolnir..it's a weapon enhanced by Odin..

why do u keep talking about weakness exploit??it's not even that important

Oh ok, so this is an ampfest now then? Hulk rage? When. Surfer is a pacifist. Calm and in control. Sure, there is always the possiblity he gets mad but... eh.

BB scream is not gonna bust Hal's constructs. But why would you scream anyways? You are Surfer and you have PC...

You are missing the point PC is his power set. Flying around blowing shit up...

What does the hammer add? Is Surfer now going to want H2H Superman? So it's Thor vs Superman now?

Exploit is important. You bring up Surfer vs Superman, the very first thing that is said is "weakness exploit".

Originally posted by Spire
Oh ok, so this is an ampfest now then? Hulk rage? When. Surfer is a pacifist. Calm and in control. Sure, there is always the possiblity he gets mad but... eh.

BB scream is not gonna bust Hal's constructs. But why would you scream anyways? You are Surfer and you have PC...

You are missing the point PC is his power set. Flying around blowing shit up...

What does the hammer add? Is Surfer now going to want H2H Superman? So it's Thor vs Superman now?

Exploit is important. You bring up Surfer vs Superman, the very first thing that is said is "weakness exploit".

what??Surfer is not going to use anything the OP give him??then what's the point on giving him all that extra power..his scream can destroy shit now..of coz he will scream

he got the hammer..what do u think he's going to do with it..if Supes ever got close..he's gonna bust Supes head with it..

yeah.they said that so that it'll be an easy win..without it..SS still win..just not that easy..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
what??Surfer is not going to use anything the OP give him??then what's the point on giving him all that extra power..his scream can destroy shit now..of coz he will scream

he got the hammer..what do u think he's going to do with it..if Supes ever got close..he's gonna bust Supes head with it..

yeah.they said that so that it'll be an easy win..without it..SS still win..just not that easy..

Nope and that is my argument.

He won't scream or hammer, when he could use PC instead.

Originally posted by Spire
Nope and that is my argument.

He won't scream or hammer, when he could use PC instead.

Or he could do all 3 simultaneously. He still got 2 arms and a mouth...

Originally posted by Spire
Nope and that is my argument.

He won't scream or hammer, when he could use PC instead.

okie

SS still win though..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
okie

SS still win though..



See, debating can be civil.

Originally posted by Spire


See, debating can be civil.

so..u agree that SS win

Gamma-Cosmic-amped Godblast Scream... ouch.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
so..u agree that SS win

Yes. Your last post changed my mind.

Originally posted by Spire
Yes. Your last post changed my mind.

Oops! I've changed it back.

Sorry, good sir.

how could u cry

well..i just want to tell u that u are wrong buddy tongue

Why do everybody just keeps talking "Sutfer this, surfer that"? Ot apply Surfer's character to amalgam???

BB's scream has the highest energy output then everything else (except maybe hulk's strenchth).
PC is limited and can be exhausted, by itself. Add Gamma Rage (tm) and T3H scream, and it never ends ))

Surfer uses his board as weapon, like, always. If the amalgam has T3H hammer, he uses it.
And one-shots DC amalgam. Too much power to cope with.

it is Surfer..but with extra power..

Even split, imo.

It's the Silver Hulk.

UMH FTW.

HULK's power source (infinite) + PC to manipulate, channel and amp it + Mjolnir to conduct it and/or contain it (hammer blows) = total ownage.

nothing UDH can do to even hurt UMH (Hulk's insanely powerful HF - Maestro resurrected from the dead by it! - added to Surfer's ability to heal - Surfer healed Thor! - would make UMH unkillable), attempting to runaway would be futile too as Thor + Surfer can traverse dimensions at will and Surfer is far faster than anyone else here.

UMH stomp

Blackbolt's got more power than just the scream. He has beaten Savage Hulk and others multiple times without resorting to his voice.

Marvel Amalgam has too much power. GL Ring will eventually be drained of power. Hulk rage, and Mjolnir will not.

For those who are selling UDH short:

remember, Superman can now self-amp his powers with Firestorm's powers...so that would be pretty devastating

second, with MM's intangibility ability, Superman can easily avoid BB's scream

godblast wouldn't even be a viable attack imo because Superman is way too fast to be hit by an attack that has lag time

so don't understand UDH

Surfer can easily siphon off Superman's solar energies... also, because Surfer is imbued with the Hulk's dynamic strength, durability and healing, he can do so indefinitely (no limit).

I think you've created a monster that cannot be beaten, by combining Surfer + Hulk. just give Hulk superman's speed, flight and range attack options and Hulk would own almost every herald out there, so giving him Surfer's attributes >>> every herald known to mankind.

Originally posted by Starscream M
For those who are selling UDH short:

remember, Superman can now self-amp his powers with Firestorm's powers...so that would be pretty devastating

second, with MM's intangibility ability, Superman can easily avoid BB's scream

godblast wouldn't even be a viable attack imo because Superman is way too fast to be hit by an attack that has lag time

so don't understand UDH

he can also amp using a gl ring. if hal can amp himself to superman level strength, then i can only imagine what it would do for Superman's physiology.

he could also rewrite his DNA to remove weaknesses.

plus, he can constantly bathe his cells in yellow solar energy using firestorm's powers.

suddenly you have an insanely amped, sundipped Superman combined with the rest. should easily be enough to match the opposition, imo.

Originally posted by Raoul


he could also rewrite his DNA to remove weaknesses.
I've already eliminated all of his weaknesses

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do similar abilities among the amalgam component characters(super strength, speed, ect.) stack or overlap?


no stacking....they have attributes of the main characters (surfer and superman)

^ Oh no stacking huh. I think I'd go for UDH then. Self amping + GL ring would mean insane invulnerability.

So basically it's Surfer w/ Hulk's strength and Healing factor, mastery over Mjolnir + other magical capabilities of Thor, and BB energy output/scream

vs.

Superman w/ Firestorm transmutation/ matter manipulation abilities, mastery over a GL Ring, and MM's TP, Intangibility, shapeshifting, and phasing.


To me it's a toss up.

Surfer can amp his strength via PC to reach Hulk's upper levels much quicker. Plus he has many of the power sets of these other characters due to PC such as transmutation/matter manipulation abilities, TP, Intangibility, phasing plus a ridiculous energy output only amplified by BB's ability. To top it off he has a very useful and versatile powerset with Thor's capabilities which grant him access to mystical elements.

On the other hand, there's Supes with ability to fuel himself with yellow sunlight on a constant basis granting him an incredible amount of power. Ultimately, you're left with a Suped up Surfer with incredible reaction time, ridiculous strength, and a GL Ring.

Both kind of sound the same to me.

The X-Factors, IMO, are Mjolnir and the GL Ring.

UMH in a horrible spite

Originally posted by Starscream M
I've already eliminated all of his weaknesses

all the better.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
UMH in a horrible spite

You're being either irrational or ignorant.

The only way you can consider this spite is if:

1) You're a Marvel (I hate this word) fanboy.

2) You have no clue as to the DC amalgam's power set.

Originally posted by nimbus006
You're being either irrational or ignorant.

The only way you can consider this spite is if:

1) You're a Marvel (I hate this word) fanboy.

2) You have no clue as to the DC amalgam's power set.
Goober already covered this. FS, Hal's, and MM's powerset is basically already covered by the Power Cosmic. The only initial advantage the DC amalgam would have is the edge in strength.

Add in the PC's ability to amp one's strength, Hulk's ability to amp his strength, and BlackBolt's ability to amp his strength, and that advantage is quickly nullified.


UMH wins virtually every time.

its not spite, however, UDH starts off at a lower powerset because UMH is just that much better SS>SM. But like someone said it really comes down to the ring and the hammer...

UMH would own UDH. 10/10. Too much ampage, durability and versatility.

Edit. This is not a spitestomp tho. UDH would put up a great fight and will throw the UMH around the first few parts of the fight. A few ampings later and the UMH becomes wayyyy too durable for the UDH to beat.

UMH wins everytime but has to work for it.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Goober already covered this. FS, Hal's, and MM's powerset is basically already covered by the Power Cosmic. The only initial advantage the DC amalgam would have is the edge in strength.

Add in the PC's ability to amp one's strength, Hulk's ability to amp his strength, and BlackBolt's ability to amp his strength, and that advantage is quickly nullified.


UMH wins virtually every time.

You're being either irrational or ignorant.

The only way you can consider this spite is if:

1) You're a Marvel (I hate this word) fanboy.

2) You have no clue as to the DC amalgam's power set.

Originally posted by nimbus006
You're being either irrational or ignorant.
Would you like to make an actual argument to back up your case or just stick with the trolling?

Guys, calm it down.

also, are people assuming the DCH can't amp?

Marvel FTW imo. I'm really unclear how this Marvel Ama can be put down. It already has SS/Thor's/Durability plus the best healing factor in the business in hulk. Plus imo better amping capabilities in SS and Hulk. more power output with Thor+Hammer. I just see team Marvel as better in most aspects of this fight.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
no..it's PC + some other awesome power..

i put my bet on his hammer..Thor without his hammer is like Hercules..Thor can control the weather without Mjolnir. Thor can use other abilities without Mjolnir as well.

I don't see why the UMH wouldn't just block off or absorb the self-amping of the UDH in the same way that exiled Surfer did to Savage Hulk or current Surfer did to Skaar. Even with the exponential amp that the UDH could exploit, Hulk's attributes also exponentially amp the UMH as well.

At best, it's a stalemate, but that only assumes that the UMH wouldn't use the Power Cosmic, Blackbolt's powers or Mjolnir's powers to manipulate, redirect, contain or block the UDH's energy/power.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor can control the weather without Mjolnir. Thor can use other abilities without Mjolnir as well.

I don't see why the UMH wouldn't just block off or absorb the self-amping of the UDH in the same way that exiled Surfer did to Savage Hulk or current Surfer did to Skaar. Even with the exponential amp that the UDH could exploit, Hulk's attributes also exponentially amp the UMH as well.

At best, it's a stalemate, but that only assumes that the UMH wouldn't use the Power Cosmic, Blackbolt's powers or Mjolnir's powers to manipulate, redirect, contain or block the UDH's energy/power.

I agree with this summary. You see One when talking about other stuff besides Odin v. Thanos and Juggs vs. Hulk we get along just fine haha

Originally posted by nimbus006
You're being either irrational or ignorant.

The only way you can consider this spite is if:

1) You're a Marvel (I hate this word) fanboy.

2) You have no clue as to the DC amalgam's power set.

Or 3: You're a DC Fanboy

The foursome of Marvel is just more powerful that the one of DC.
Unless you want to argue that Hal Jordan is more powerful that Surfer, Sups stronger that Hulk or Firestorm more powerful that Thor.

The two amalgams are basically the same, but Marvel have the edge in the power, thanks to the foursome who is used to make him.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Or 3: You're a DC Fanboy

The foursome of Marvel is just more powerful that the one of DC.
Unless you want to argue that Hal Jordan is more powerful that Surfer, Sups stronger that Hulk or Firestorm more powerful that Thor.

The two amalgams are basically the same, but Marvel have the edge in the power, thanks to the foursome who is used to make him. There are lots of people who would argue that part. Lots.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
There are lots of people who would argue that part. Lots.
Hm. Going by solo performed feats, I think I could make a case for Hulk being stronger than Supes.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Hm. Going by solo performed feats, I think I could make a case for Hulk being stronger than Supes. how? supermans feats seem to eclipse hulks

Originally posted by Starscream M
how? supermans feats seem to eclipse hulks
No.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No. he's moved warworld

Originally posted by Enyalus
Hm. Going by solo performed feats, I think I could make a case for Hulk being stronger than Supes.

and vice versa.

TC, your UMH takes this 6/10 against your UDH. Surfer's PC is the clincher. A GL ring is infinitely more useful than Mjlonir.

I'd take FS matrix against BB's scream (slight advantage) but you already have a gl ring which kind of shares some abilities.

I'd take MM's powers (telepathy, phasing, mass gaining, shape shifting) over Hulk's and though the HF is limited to a point, it's reenforced by surfer level durability so UMH for a very slight win.

MM's mass gaining and shape shifting would make the UDH quite the monster though.

Actually I think it's a split or slight majority to the UDH. The UMH has Hulk's rage amping, but the UDH has Supes body getting amped as well. The UMH has Hulk's HF, but shape shifting and mass gaining is better damage soak.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Would you like to make an actual argument to back up your case or just stick with the trolling?



Read the whole thread so I don't have to copy and paste things for you.

This was my first post:

So basically it's Surfer w/ Hulk's strength and Healing factor, mastery over Mjolnir + other magical capabilities of Thor, and BB energy output/scream

vs.

Superman w/ Firestorm transmutation/ matter manipulation abilities, mastery over a GL Ring, and MM's TP, Intangibility, shapeshifting, and phasing.


To me it's a toss up.

Surfer can amp his strength via PC to reach Hulk's upper levels much quicker. Plus he has many of the power sets of these other characters due to PC such as transmutation/matter manipulation abilities, TP, Intangibility, phasing plus a ridiculous energy output only amplified by BB's ability. To top it off he has a very useful and versatile powerset with Thor's capabilities which grant him access to mystical elements.

On the other hand, there's Supes with ability to fuel himself with yellow sunlight on a constant basis granting him an incredible amount of power. Ultimately, you're left with a Suped up Surfer with incredible reaction time, ridiculous strength, and a GL Ring.

Both kind of sound the same to me.

The X-Factors, IMO, are Mjolnir and the GL Ring.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Or 3: You're a DC Fanboy



Originally posted by Bouboumaster The foursome of Marvel is just more powerful that the one of DC.
Unless you want to argue that Hal Jordan is more powerful that Surfer, Sups stronger that Hulk or Firestorm more powerful that Thor.

The two amalgams are basically the same, but Marvel have the edge in the power, thanks to the foursome who is used to make him.

You say the two amalgams are basically the same, then you proceed to call it a stomp. Please explain that to me.

The only thing I was arguing is that it's not a stomp.

And Superman is stronger than Hulk.

Originally posted by nimbus006




You say the two amalgams are basically the same, then you proceed to call it a stomp. Please explain that to me.

The only thing I was arguing is that it's not a stomp.

And Superman is stronger than Hulk.


The two amalgams are the same, but Marvel is more powerful. That's it. DC haven't nothing on Marvel in this match.

Oh, and Hulk smash puny kryptonian.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he's moved warworld
Yeah. Amped.

Originally posted by Raoul
and vice versa.
No, I really don't think so. Solo feat-wise.


...Could do a feat war though. Might need Rage's help with the scans tho.

UMH 7-8/10.

I have seen people saying that thors abilities are a non factor here and to say that they must be extremely confused. Thors abilities are a huge advantage in regards to offensive output and energy absorption as he is the most impressive out of any on the battlefield in these areas.(in regards to energy absorption BY FAR the most impressive). When u then add in BBs voice and energy absorption abilities as well as surfers huge poweroutput and energy absorption abilities, the UMH has the clear advantage here.

Nextly, there is the issue of matter/energy manipulation. While both sides are impressive in this regard, the UMH is once again superior with Surfer (best matter/energy manipulator on the field), Thor and BB. This combination is clearly superior to Firestorm and GL.

Even physically, the UDH doesnt necessarilly have the advantage. While a superman being amped by Firestorm and GL would be a monster physically he is certainly matched if not exceeded by the UMH, who will be amped by Surfer,Blackbolt AND the Hulk as well and he will only get stronger,faster, and more durable as the fight goes on. Further with his vastly superior energy absorption abilities the UMH can likely block off or at least greatly hinder the UDH supply of sunlight thereby constantly weakening him.

To sum it up UMH wins because of greater matter/energy manip abilities,offensive output,defensive capabilities (Thor/Surfer/BB) and at least on par physical attributes.