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ok this is ALL the new gods who have gathered on new genesis and apocalypse. no warlogog or anti life equation though. we know that the combined might of the earth's sky fathers was unable to takle on a single celestial. cud the new gods fare better.

all new gods have their mother boxes and have 12 hours of prep. metron/mister miracle/infinity man/high father/takion are ALSO present at this time. they get all their artifacts other than the warlogog or the miracle machine.

who wins?

Exitar

NGs.

Exitar..

Exitar

Really, guys?

C'mon. These aren't the Watchers.

The NG's take this, they could take on several exitars. They have plenty of other weapons besides the worlogog that affect things on a universal scale.

Exitar.

To people who said NG what tech are they going to use?

Originally posted by kgkg
Exitar.

To people who said NG what tech are they going to use?
There's somehow incapable of pulling a Thor and cracking open the outer casing of his armor?

Originally posted by Allankles
The NG's take this, they could take on several exitars. They have plenty of other weapons besides the worlogog that affect things on a universal scale.

That's nice.

Exitar FTW.

Seriously 12 hours prep plus all the new gods the can combine their powers like the Eternals and we know what that does.

Exitar ftw

Originally posted by iceman24567
Seriously 12 hours prep plus all the new gods the can combine their powers like the Eternals and we know what that does.
They can?

IF they can somehow combine all the new gods into one being with takions connection to the source they should be able to pull it off.

Originally posted by kgkg
Exitar.

To people who said NG what tech are they going to use?

Genesis Box transfroms everything in the universe into energy to be manipulated to the users whims. Gwydion the Merlin Sprite made of living language which could counter and effect reality manipulation on a cosmic scale.

Doom Tube - bfr into oblivion. Shadow Demons, Omega Sanction (the beast of restriction).

Highfather can combine gods into single more powerful beings. Omega Doom - tech that allows the user to absorb every energy source over millions of light years by disentergrating all the matter in its area of effect.

They have more than enough tech to defeat several Exitars imo.

Originally posted by Allankles
Genesis Box transfroms everything in the universe into energy to be manipulated to the users whims. Gwydion the Merlin Sprite made of living language which could counter and effect reality manipulation on a cosmic scale.

Doom Tube - bfr into oblivion. Shadow Demons, Omega Sanction (the beast of restriction).

Highfather can combine gods into single more powerful beings. Omega Doom - tech that allows the user to absorb every energy source over millions of light years by disentergrating all the matter in its area of effect.

They have more than enough tech to defeat several Exitars imo. The thing is even people who have warp Universes are seen inferior to Celestials let alone Exitar.

I remember Cosmic Cube saying they are nothing to Exitar and they have shown on panel to be able to affect an entire universe.

and it's not like Exitar is sitting getting attacked he can possible One shot most of them.

I don't think things like Omega Sanction, etc, work on beings more powerful than the user.

And Exitar definitely trumps Darkseid by several magnitudes.

But if they say used a genesis box to convert all the new gods into pure energy then combined them into one being(and as per DOTNG combining one new god with another will increase the total might ten fold)that being along with takion and highfathers connection to the source should be a ridiculously powerful being.

heres my reason for making this thread. people think that celestials are powerful enough to individually effect and perhaps even destroy the universe and simultaneously take out almost all the mystical beings in th world combined. but at the same time, they cant individually beat galactus who on panel is never shown to have universe busting capabilities or even close to it. seems pretty inconsistant to me.

Originally posted by kgkg
The thing is even people who have warp Universes are seen inferior to Celestials let alone Exitar.

I remember Cosmic Cube saying they are nothing to Exitar and they have shown on panel to be able to affect an entire universe.

and it's not like Exitar is sitting getting attacked he can possible One shot most of them.

Heresay doesn't mean much. By heresay Odin could defeat Exitar solo.

Point is the NG have a lot of fire power with all their gizmos and they know what multiversal power is, seeing that they've fought over the fate of the multiverse amongst themselves for millenia.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
heres my reason for making this thread. people think that celestials are powerful enough to individually effect and perhaps even destroy the universe and simultaneously take out almost all the mystical beings in th world combined. but at the same time, they cant individually beat galactus who on panel is never shown to have universe busting capabilities or even close to it. seems pretty inconsistant to me.
Once again I see you don't know what you're talking about. Even the birth of an average Celestial rivals the explosion of the Big Bang. You're talking about Exitar here, perhaps the second strongest Celestial in the canon universe. And Galactus has enough power to simultaneously destroy both the 616 universe and the Negative Zone, per Annihilation.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't think things like Omega Sanction, etc, work on beings more powerful than the user.

And Exitar definitely trumps Darkseid by several magnitudes.

Ok. But I disagree, Omega Sanction is the fundamental force of restriction, his entire point is to suffocate freedom.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Once again I see you don't know what you're talking about. Even the birth of an average Celestial rivals the explosion of the Big Bang. You're talking about Exitar here, perhaps the second strongest Celestial in the canon universe. And Galactus has enough power to simultaneously destroy both the 616 universe and the Negative Zone, per Annihilation.

no, galactus's DEATH has the power to do that, because he acts as a fundamental balance between eternity and death. HE himself as an entity does NOT. his best non vs feat wud probably be releasing the energy sphere surrounding two solar systems in annihlation. a non starving galactus was beaten by aegis and tenebris. wud you by extention, say that both of them have near universe destroying power? i think not.

and are you saying that a single celestial is compareable in power to eternity????? hogwash

and, ur post is baiting.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, galactus's DEATH has the power to do that, because he acts as a fundamental balance between eternity and death. HE himself as an entity does NOT. his best non vs feat wud probably be releasing the energy sphere surrounding two solar systems in annihlation. a non starving galactus was beaten by aegis and tenebris. wud you by extention, say that both of them have near universe destroying power? i think not.
Galactus has the power within him to destroy those two universes. Its like Monarch's armor, etc. All of his power released, two destroy two universes (one of which is a multiverse). And yes, Aegis and Tenebrous are both Galactus-level primordial beings who are universal-level powers. Their Nova Corps bios even spell that out.

they are not however, universe BUSTERS. and thats my point. galactus doesnt have the power WITHING him, he is a KEY to the unbalance which destroyes its own self. i.e. the balance between life and death which keeps the universe going. and this itself has been portrayed inconcistantly, after all, galactus DID die. and nuthing happened, only the release of abraxas, who in turn had to use the ultimate nullifier to kill alternate versions of galactus, which in turn is said to be part of galactus, which if taken at face value, makes no sense, since galactus is dead, and its never clear if abraxas is a part of eternity or a new concept altogether. and then franklin richards, a celestial level being in one interpretation, resurrects galactus, which wud make him above 2 universe busting levels at that point in time if we are to take your claim seriously, which wud make every single celestial, an unparalleled superior to galactus. you see where im going with this.

Almost none of what you said is true.


I don't know why I expected different.






And **** it - Exitar wins.

^your a child. stop baiting, no1 invited you to speak or have a conversation in the first place.

the one you want is "you're".

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^your a child. stop baiting, no1 invited you to speak or have a conversation in the first place.
You're the one who chimmed in, after the conversation I was participating had already begun, when you essentially admitted to this being a bait thread.

^cant be bothered. and the very fact that you knew what it meant is enough to not add to it, language is about communication.

Originally posted by Enyalus
You're the one who chimmed in, after the conversation I was participating had already begun, when you essentially admitted to this being a bait thread.


errrm, i created this thread. i also posted that comment not in relation to any of the previous comments but a stand alone, which shud be obvious since i didnt mention or quote any1. and your comprehension skills are lacking, i referred to your POST as baiting when you said i didnt know what i was talking about and started a conversation when i had never referred to you.

Every single NG VS one Celestial???
LOLWUT?


Seems spitey to me. But meh.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
errrm, i created this thread. i also posted that comment not in relation to any of the previous comments but a stand alone, which shud be obvious since i didnt mention or quote any1. and your comprehension skills are lacking, i referred to your POST as baiting when you said i didnt know what i was talking about and started a conversation when i had never referred to you.
Your information was wrong. Like it usually is. I was correcting you. I can do that.



Exitar FTW.

enyalus, stop with the ad hominem attacks. you didnt correct me since you never countered me with any feats. while my whole argument was based in feats.

exitar

hey guys. if arishem the judge doesn't give the coded instruction to exitar the exterminator, he's going to just float there vacantly.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
heres my reason for making this thread. people think that celestials are powerful enough to individually effect and perhaps even destroy the universe
During the Black Galaxy Saga an average Celestial being born was an event stated to rival the Big Bang itself. That would classify as being universal level. In the newest GOTG and Nova series, a decapitated Celestial's head had a map and teleporter to and for the entire multiverse. In recent Uncanny X-Men issues (507 IIRC), a lobotomized Celestial, using its knowledge, was capable of reversing Wanda's "No More Mutants" spell and repower Magneto. Wanda affected the entire omniverse with that order, by the way. These are average Celestials for the most part.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and simultaneously take out almost all the mystical beings in th world combined. but at the same time, they cant individually beat galactus who on panel is never shown to have universe busting capabilities or even close to it. seems pretty inconsistant to me.
1) Odin has busted entire galaxies before. More than once. He's also shaken the foundations of the entire multiverse. Yet, even he, amped, could do nothing to Arishem. Exitar is more powerful than Arishem. Furthermore, Kubik, who can warp an entire universe, stated that he was no match for any Celestial. Galactus has 'universe-busting capabilities' - the energy he contains within his shell was shown to be enough to destroy the 616 multiverse and the Negative Zone at the same time. This was while he was extremely weakened and starving. This was in Annihilation. Oh, and not being able to beat Galactus? Tiamut during the Black Celestial Saga was shown as being Galactus' superior, and in the Eternals series when Tiamut finally awoke, it stated that Galactus finally knew fear.




Enough feats for you?? Good. I'm done.

Exitar wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't think things like Omega Sanction, etc, work on beings more powerful than the user.

And Exitar definitely trumps Darkseid by several magnitudes.
it worked on BATMAN
NGs take this

Originally posted by manx422
it worked on BATMAN
NGs take this
lmao


I was sincerely expecting you to say "ORION SOLOS"

I've missed you. Where ya been?

exams kept me busy
so i could not visit the site
but i was viewing it on my mobile

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Every single NG VS one Celestial???
LOLWUT?


Seems spitey to me. But meh.

It is spite. As I already explained the NG's would take down several Exitars, let alone one. Hell Omega Sanction would trap 10 Exitars and still have room for more imo.

OS won't do shit to Exitar..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
OS won't do shit to Exitar..
it killed BATMAN
BATMAN>>>TOAA
he made 1 billion

Food for thought; Exitar is mightier then the entire 4th host combined.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
OS won't do shit to Exitar..

Pray tell why not? You do know that OS is living oblivion, it shifts and adapts to restrain anything.

As far as what it does to Exitar, it traps him for eternity in a life designed by its master. That's a loss for Exitar unless you can tell me why living oblivion would have problems entrapping Exitar?

Remember that OS envelopes a person's entire reality. Hell Exitar won't know he's been trapped unless he can see the fundamental patterns that form the reality around him.

Another interesting thing is DS was able to use OS against a target that had travelled into a blackhole.

Originally posted by Allankles
Another interesting thing is DS was able to use OS against a target that had travelled into a blackhole.

Aside from more rambling, what does this add in terms of meaningful feats?

Exitar

Originally posted by Allankles
Pray tell why not? You do know that OS is living oblivion, it shifts and adapts to restrain anything.

As far as what it does to Exitar, it traps him for eternity in a life designed by its master. That's a loss for Exitar unless you can tell me why living oblivion would have problems entrapping Exitar?

Remember that OS envelopes a person's entire reality. Hell Exitar won't know he's been trapped unless he can see the fundamental patterns that form the reality around him. Shut the f*ck up.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Aside from more rambling, what does this add in terms of meaningful feats?

That should be obvious. Physical phenomenon aren't a hindrance to Omega.

Originally posted by Mindset
Shut the f*ck up.

Negative. (As in, NO!)

I figured Allan would say the same ol hyperbole he always does iwth no actual battle feats to back them up.

Next bit of flaming or baiting and I'll close the thread and give out warnings.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I figured Allan would say the same ol hyperbole he always does iwth no actual battle feats to back them up.

That's what I've been explaining. Based on feats Omega Sanction is a cosmic Hamster wheel, capable of trapping a life form in a "bubble" of reality where existence is dictated by Darkseid.

What it is exactly is living oblivion, and it functions on a fundamental level where physical reality is irrelevant.

DS has always had ludicrously cheap game-breaking superpowers. Grant came up with a doozy with the Omega Sanction though.

Originally posted by Allankles
That should be obvious. Physical phenomenon aren't a hindrance to Omega.

And physical phenomenons aren't a hindrance on that gun Batman fired either. And? Batman also walked around in that black hole...and, well, just about everybody else who was inside it. Have this adds to the OS having an effect on Exitar is beyond me. Kubik was afraid to get near a Celestial because it would destroy both of them. That's a feats that's relevant to this fight - not the black hole stuff.

that gun was new god tech. and you really did not understand FC if this is your defense.

the incident he is refering to is Seven Soldiers. as for the big bang birth? it was a galaxy. nothing more. and a blast rivalling the big bang would done more damage, so we chalk that up to hyperbole.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And physical phenomenons aren't a hindrance on that gun Batman fired either. And? Batman also walked around in that black hole...and, well, just about everybody else who was inside it. Have this adds to the OS having an effect on Exitar is beyond me. Kubik was afraid to get near a Celestial because it would destroy both of them. That's a feats that's relevant to this fight - not the black hole stuff.

That's not the blackhole I'm talking about, there wasn't any blackhole in Darkseid's immediate vicinity. Besides what does a high tech gun have to do with anything?

Omega had trapped Shilo Norman when Norman was travelling through/in a blackhole.

Also how exactly would Exitar affect Omega Sanction? A destructive blast? Not going to work on a force capable of generating an infinite number of realities to bombard its target or capable of moving, altering and adapting it's form to entrap whatever life form is in its snare.

What does Exitar bring to the table to overcome the ultimate prison?

you are assuming a no-limits fallacy to it, but then again, that actually is a core tenet of the concept of the Omega Force itself. If it works on Exitar, he is probably screwed.

Ok then this should be simple since this is based on feats... Give me examples of the OS working on somebody on Exitar's level?

Read my lips. The Omega Force is a no-limits attack. 2nd, the Omega Effect has worked on Spectre, AM, and others. Thor punched a hole into Exitar, it can be done.

Third, if DS used the Omega Sanction directly on Exitars brain case, you do not think he would feel it? Darkseids finder beams can go through objects and will only trigger on the target, he can track them to strike the brain. Thus, bypassing the defenses.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Read my lips. The Omega Force is a no-limits attack. 2nd, the Omega Effect has worked on Spectre, AM, and others. Thor punched a hole into Exitar, it can be done.

Third, if DS used the Omega Sanction directly on Exitars brain case, you do not think he would feel it? Darkseids finder beams can go through objects and will only trigger on the target, he can track them to strike the brain. Thus, bypassing the defenses.

Bullshit they beat Spectre and AM with the OS. Post this on panel proof you speak off as both incidents I remember it doing next to nothing.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Read my lips. The Omega Force is a no-limits attack.
By "Omega Force" as an attack I'm going to assume you mean the Omega Effect. If thats the case, it won't work. Celestials cannot be destroyed, period. And if he uses the OE to BFR...well, c'mon. BFR, seriously? Darkseid's best bet would be the Omega Sanction, and I have serious, serious doubts that will work. Why? For one, its a reality warping power. Kubik, who had universal-scale reality warping powers admitted his inferiority to Arishem's power. Exitar is more powerful. Two, the OS is essentially a BFR attack - you can dress it up all you like with fancy wording, but that's what it is. Celestials can teleport across time and space with ease. Thirdly, Celestials exist on all planes of existence simultaneously. I know Darkseid can fire his beams across time and space, but can he fire it pan-dimensionally? I doubt that. Lastly, Darkseid is far less powerful than Exitar, who is probably the second most powerful canon Celestial (behind Tiamut). I do not buy into the no-limits fallacy going on. If a being is vastly more powerful than Darkseid, I don't believe it would work on them. Promethean Giants, Yuga Khan, Spectre, Nabu, I'm sure you can think of others, etc. The Omega Effect failed to put Doomsday down permanently. It failed to put Superman down. It's failed on at least one other that I can think of. I think that's good reason for believing it will fail against Exitar.

I can't believe I'm even having to argue against Darkseid soloing Exitar. The thought alone is absurd.

Omega Sanction can take out all of Marvel, dumby.

Originally posted by Mindset
Omega Sanction can take out all of Marvel, dumby.
Shut your mouth or make use of it by filling it with Darkseid's granite phallus.

If only I could be so lucky, unfortunately there are 2 people here who are permanently attached.

All very true.

Little are they aware that's just Kyle in a Darkseid suit.

Originally posted by Mindset
If only I could be so lucky, unfortunately there are 2 people here who are permanently attached. they don't call him "trick" for nuthin'.

Originally posted by Enyalus
By "Omega Force" as an attack I'm going to assume you mean the Omega Effect. If thats the case, it won't work. Celestials cannot be destroyed, period. And if he uses the OE to BFR...well, c'mon. BFR, seriously? Darkseid's best bet would be the Omega Sanction, and I have serious, serious doubts that will work. Why? For one, its a reality warping power. Kubik, who had universal-scale reality warping powers admitted his inferiority to Arishem's power. Exitar is more powerful. Two, the OS is essentially a BFR attack - you can dress it up all you like with fancy wording, but that's what it is. Celestials can teleport across time and space with ease. Thirdly, Celestials exist on all planes of existence simultaneously. I know Darkseid can fire his beams across time and space, but can he fire it pan-dimensionally? I doubt that. Lastly, Darkseid is far less powerful than Exitar, who is probably the second most powerful canon Celestial (behind Tiamut). I do not buy into the no-limits fallacy going on. If a being is vastly more powerful than Darkseid, I don't believe it would work on them. Promethean Giants, Yuga Khan, Spectre, Nabu, I'm sure you can think of others, etc. The Omega Effect failed to put Doomsday down permanently. It failed to put Superman down. It's failed on at least one other that I can think of. I think that's good reason for believing it will fail against Exitar.

I can't believe I'm even having to argue against Darkseid soloing Exitar. The thought alone is absurd.

I'm not arguing he solos. Just that there is more than enough firepower here for him to have an opportunity to strike the brain directly.

HE NEVER USED THE OE ON DOOMSDAY. And please don't mention Superman. He doesn't count.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not arguing he solos. Just that there is more than enough firepower here for him to have an opportunity to strike the brain directly.
I know. Allan did. You've been a bit more objectively lately, I noticed. Thank god for that.

I argued for the NGs winning until Leon came in and pissed me off.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
HE NEVER USED THE OE ON DOOMSDAY. And please don't mention Superman. He doesn't count.
On panel I think Darkseid said he did. "Let's see how well you handle the Omega Effect" or something like that. I could go back and check, though.

The brain = Exitar's weakness

Isn't that what basically overloaded Thor in the end...

Originally posted by Charmander
The brain = Exitar's weakness

Isn't that what basically overloaded Thor in the end...
Yup. The energy from Exitar's "brain" turned Thor to a skeleton (although that could have just been animation for the Celestial genetically copying Thor, because an exact clone of him made by Exitar appears later) and then Thor's casually tossed out of Exitar by the brain's beam.

the thor clone basically told thor to never do that sort of thing ever again, thor has complied.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the thor clone basically told thor to never do that sort of thing ever again, thor has complied.
And then the Thor clone was one-shot by the Celestial Slayer. uhuh Thor wins again.

Stellaris

Originally posted by guy222
Stellaris


Couldn't remember her actual name. Just what she called herself.

Lol at DS beating Exitar.

sounds like a thread

DS can never beat Exitar under his own power..that can never happen..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
DS can never beat Exitar under his own power..that can never happen..

The infinite powers of the Omega Sanction disagrees with you!

Originally posted by Slaanesh
DS can never beat Exitar under his own power..that can never happen..

Exitar>DS easily

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The infinite powers of the Omega Sanction disagrees with you!

it's DS we know to well that his level of infinite is that shitty kinda infinite..

Yep, apparently, Superman's finite > DS's infinite!

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Yep, apparently, Superman's finite > DS's infinite!
Well, Dominus had infinite power IIRC and Superman beat him the second time around, so...

Can't say I have ever really considered a loss to superman as something to be ashamed of its been proven time and time again when shit is really on the line hes practically unstoppable.

Almost as unstoppable as a Celestial, perhaps.

Anyways any one new god standing against exitar without some uber device is laughable,If they combine all of themselves into one being I think they have a shot though.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Anyways any one new god standing against exitar without some uber device is laughable,If they combine all of themselves into one being I think they have a shot though. But...but, omega sanction...infinite...no limits...

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Can't say I have ever really considered a loss to superman as something to be ashamed of its been proven time and time again when shit is really on the line hes practically unstoppable. just like rulk

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Anyways any one new god standing against exitar without some uber device is laughable,If they combine all of themselves into one being I think they have a shot though.

What do you think Omega Sanction is? It's as a weapon.

Last I checked the omega sanction is what darkseid uses to throw people into worsening lives over and over again,exitar is far above anyone I have seen him use it on.

True, but as I pointed out, a direct shot to his brain will probably do some damage.

And before someone mentions Thor, that was Thor. This is Darkseid. The two are not equal in any sense of the word. And if Thor could open up a hole, DS can. Hell, no single celestial has the firepower to take down both New Genesis and Apokolips.

True..Thor and DS are not equals in any sense of the world..but in Exitar sense..they are both equals..both are nothing more than a bug..

You gravely underestimate the new gods. And DS is a bug? Not if Exitar faces Darkseid at his height. Darkseid's boomtubed form is tough enough, let's not bring in the true form that crushed the multiverse.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Last I checked the omega sanction is what darkseid uses to throw people into worsening lives over and over again,exitar is far above anyone I have seen him use it on.

This is what's been said about Omega Sanction on panel:

"It is the fundamental force of restriction. The trap that follows you wherever you go (so teleportation is irrelevant). That moves as you move unseen and all around.

It is your life. Living oblivion. A weapon of Darkseid. Ever shifting, ever adapting the prison you cannot escape. The victim is born again and again in OS. Broken and blinded by the explosion of being."

If we use Darkseid at his true form, I see no reason why it wouldn't send Exitar to hell.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hell, no single celestial has the firepower to take down both New Genesis and Apokolips.

Given all their artifacts they would take down several celestials. Even without the worlogog or the ALE (like in this battle). Exitar is out of his depth.

Genesis box, Gwydion, Shadow Demons (anti matter entities further evolved by the Omega Force), Highfather merging several gods into single more powerful beings. Omega Doom. Not to mention some of Promethean giants they can control. Doomtubes. And other devices capable of destorting reality or turning any matter into pure energy.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If we use Darkseid at his true form, I see no reason why it wouldn't send Exitar to hell.

what true form..he got beat by DD on Apokolips..Apokolips is his home rite..u wanna tell me he use his avatar on Apokolips..u wanna tell me all the new god use their avatar on Apokolips and Genesis??what true form are u talking about??get real guys..DS got beat by regular heroes all the time..DS is not on Celestial level..not even close..

People who go to apokolips or new genesis do so with a boom tube that thereby enlarges them to the level of the new gods otherwise they would be less than microscopic organisms to them.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
what true form..he got beat by DD on Apokolips..Apokolips is his home rite..u wanna tell me he use his avatar on Apokolips..u wanna tell me all the new god use their avatar on Apokolips and Genesis??what true form are u talking about??get real guys..DS got beat by regular heroes all the time..DS is not on Celestial level..not even close..

That's why they have weapons here. As far as the true DS TP is talking about, reference Seven Soldiers, DOTNG and FC. The more recent DS would never lose to Doomsday. That's why many of his showing were retconed to avatars, small fractions of the greater "omnipotent" Darkseid.

http://f.imagehost.org/t/0312/Anarky-mini2-12.jpg

More precisely his avatars are on Apokolips as well and sit on his throne. As the scan above indicates.

Does size matter concerning power my friends?

Unless you're like bigger than all the reality of a respective omniverse of course,
but that rarity aside ...

5'4" Wanda tore the entire Omniverse to pieces then rebuilt it with a thought.

Pffft...Giant Man is true power

Ahw, but Giant Man is a special case.

Not fair.

damn..all the time he got beat it was an avatar..man that sukzz..his real form must be really powerful..this thread use DS avatar rite??so..i still say DS get oneshotted..his avatar is nothing more than a bug compare to Exitar..

Darky and the avatars

Originally posted by Mr Master
Does size matter concerning power my friends?

Unless you're like bigger than all the reality of a respective omniverse of course,
but that rarity aside ...

5'4" Wanda tore the entire Omniverse to pieces then rebuilt it with a thought.

Read Final Crisis. You'll see.

I did

i did too..but i didn't see

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Read Final Crisis. You'll see. He wrote it.

I'm sure if you look in all of the obscure comics featuring the New Gods you'd find something or other that could take on Exitar.

Originally posted by -K-M-
As well as.....

*From the Darkseid Respect Thread
Never knew DS was THAT powerful.
Being trapped in the Source Wall and still able to dispense infinite energy outside the Wall.
Heck, he should probably be up there in the DC tier.

I'm really starting to believe that Trick and Allan are both in love with DS. The non sense they continue to say over and over again really has me concerned for their health. It can't be good to masturbate while reading comics as much as they clearly do.

I ask AGAIN... Name me the strongest character that DS used the OS on and took him down? DS is like a fly to Exitar and yet you still think DS could phase him lol.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
damn..all the time he got beat it was an avatar..man that sukzz..his real form must be really powerful..this thread use DS avatar rite??so..i still say DS get oneshotted..his avatar is nothing more than a bug compare to Exitar..

Or Desaad posing as him...

Originally posted by -K-M-
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Darkseid Imposter
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New Gods #15
Here it shows the events were Desaad pretended to be DS such as Dr.Fate #10-12 , Action Comics #586, Superman #3 , and various others

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGods_v2_15-03.jpg *From the Darkseid Respect Thread


Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Never knew DS was THAT powerful.
Being trapped in the Source Wall and still able to dispense infinite energy outside the Wall.
Heck, he should probably be up there in the DC tier.

He should, but all characters have their low moments. Check out the respect thread as that's not his most powerful feat. I'm not touching his Final Crisis form, as that's just down right confusing.

Originally posted by Allankles
This is what's been said about Omega Sanction on panel:

"It is the fundamental force of restriction. The trap that follows you wherever you go (so teleportation is irrelevant).

What if, like Exitar, you can and do exist in multiple points of space at the same time/simultaneously? Limited form of omnipresence. Thor 380.

Could some of your DS lovers please give me the strongest character the OS worked on to give DS a victory.

This is what I think of the whole "Darkseid is a concept" argument:

Darkseid: At LAST! My plans are almost in fruition, you are the last one who stands in my way, Kal-El.
Superman: I WILL STOP YOU!
Darksied: You fool! This is simply an Avatar, Darkseid is not a physical being, I am an abstract concept, a force of nature. How can you hope to defeat a concept??
Superman: By punching you in the face enough times.
Darkseid: ............. Oh.

KAPOW!

SUPERMAN... WINS!

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This is what I think of the whole "Darkseid is a concept" argument:

Darkseid: At LAST! My plans are almost in fruition, you are the last one who stands in my way, Kal-El.
Superman: I WILL STOP YOU!
Darksied: You fool! This is simply an Avatar, Darkseid is not a physical being, I am an abstract concept, a force of nature. How can you hope to defeat a concept??
Superman: By punching you in the face enough times.
Darkseid: ............. Oh.

KAPOW!

SUPERMAN... WINS!

yeah pretty much...

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This is what I think of the whole "Darkseid is a concept" argument:

Darkseid: At LAST! My plans are almost in fruition, you are the last one who stands in my way, Kal-El.
Superman: I WILL STOP YOU!
Darksied: You fool! This is simply an Avatar, Darkseid is not a physical being, I am an abstract concept, a force of nature. How can you hope to defeat a concept??
Superman: By punching you in the face enough times.
Darkseid: ............. Oh.

KAPOW!

SUPERMAN... WINS!

Thats why to defeat the real darkseid he still needed radion,darkseid to already be mortally wounded by orion,the black racer and the miracle machine right.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
heres my reason for making this thread. people think that celestials are powerful enough to individually effect and perhaps even destroy the universe and simultaneously take out almost all the mystical beings in th world combined. but at the same time, they cant individually beat galactus who on panel is never shown to have universe busting capabilities or even close to it. seems pretty inconsistant to me. When did any Celestial ever fight Galactus?

In an alternate reality where it was really Franklin.

So it's completely relevant.

^ Clearly. uhuh
Originally posted by Allankles
Given all their artifacts they would take down several celestials. Even without the worlogog or the ALE (like in this battle). Exitar is out of his depth.

Genesis box, Gwydion, Shadow Demons (anti matter entities further evolved by the Omega Force), Highfather merging several gods into single more powerful beings. Omega Doom. Not to mention some of Promethean giants they can control. Doomtubes. And other devices capable of destorting reality or turning any matter into pure energy. In the same vein, I think I could combine Doom's tech and AIM tech and come up with as much plot-device tech power as the New Gods' that you listed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Clearly. uhuh
In the same vein, I think I could combine Doom's tech and AIM tech and come up with as much plot-device tech power as the New Gods' that you listed.

Ok.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Thats why to defeat the real darkseid he still needed radion,darkseid to already be mortally wounded by orion,the black racer and the miracle machine right.

Of course no one wants to mention that. In FC DS was beyond fisticuffs.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I ask AGAIN... Name me the strongest character that DS used the OS on and took him down?

That's already been addressed. How is strength relevant when the fabric of existence is being used to imprison the target?

You've yet to provide any evidence that would make Exitar immune to an ever adapting prison capable of bombarding a life form with an infinite number of realities until their ego is annhilated.

Originally posted by Enyalus
What if, like Exitar, you can and do exist in multiple points of space at the same time/simultaneously? Limited form of omnipresence. Thor 380.

Only the version attacking the New Gods is relevant.

Originally posted by Allankles
Only the version attacking the New Gods is relevant.
You quoted exactly what the OS is. Where is that quote from?

Originally posted by Enyalus
You quoted exactly what the OS is. Where is that quote from?

Seven Soldiers of Victory.

Originally posted by Allankles
Seven Soldiers of Victory.
Yeah...I've only read the Mister Miracle issue of it. Do you have a particular issue in mind?

can't say, aside from odin, no other asgardian gods were worth mentioning. balder was just well, balder.. and the warriors three well..meh..just warriors who stood out from the crowd and weren't much more powerful than the average asgardian...

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah...I've only read the Mister Miracle issue of it. Do you have a particular issue in mind?

Well actually I think it's from the last issue of Miracle, isuue # 4.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Could some of your DS lovers please give me the strongest character the OS worked on to give DS a victory.

Worked on Imperiex Prime which is clearly above Exitar

Originally posted by Allankles
That's already been addressed. How is strength relevant when the fabric of existence is being used to imprison the target?

You've yet to provide any evidence that would make Exitar immune to an ever adapting prison capable of bombarding a life form with an infinite number of realities until their ego is annhilated.

No you haven't addressed it at all. What I'm looking for is not hyperbolic statements with no battle feats. What I'm looking for and asking for are battle feats against powerful foes like Exitar. It shouldn't be hard to name some powerful people DS took down ALONE with the OS since it's the ubber no limits weapon. If only they worked on Superman/batman/DD/Orion... then again those guys are more powerful then Exitar.... lol. So, again you didn't address anything and this shouldn't be hard... give me a character DS has taken down on Exitar level alone with the OS. It's really simple but you keep avoiding it because there are no such battle feats only hyperbole.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
If only they worked on Superman/batman/DD/Orion... then again those guys are more powerful then Exitar.... lol.

You don't seem to understand what OS is since he hasn't used it on Superman, Orion or DD. He's already killed Batman with the OE, and used the OS on him in FC.

Here's the word for word description of OS. And please identify the difference between a description of its attributes and hyperbolic statements. This is what it is and what it does as per the comics.

Originally posted by Allankles
This is what's been said about Omega Sanction on panel:

"It is the fundamental force of restriction. The trap that follows you wherever you go. That moves as you move unseen and all around.

It is your life. Living oblivion. A weapon of Darkseid. Ever shifting, ever adapting the prison you cannot escape. The victim is born again and again in OS. Broken and blinded by the explosion of being."

Originally posted by Allankles
You don't seem to understand what OS is since he hasn't used it on Superman, Orion or DD. He's already killed Batman with the OE, and used the OS on him in FC.

Here's the word for word description of OS. And please identify the difference between a description of its attributes and hyperbolic statements. This is what it is and what it does as per the comics.

Thank you for avoding the question for the 4th time. So, you concede that the OS has no battle feats or has worked on anybody of Exitar's level. You keep giving descriptions and hyperbolic statements and have yet to give me battle feats. So, thank you for once again proving my point and avoiding the question because you have no answer. You couldn't just said the OS hasn't worked against anybody on Exitar's level and actually on anybody of any significance. Thank you

The fundamental force of restriction? Honestly in literal terms that hardly means anything at all. It certainly doesnt prove that it would affect exitar. Not even close. No limit fallacies,ambiguous and frankly meaningless statements arent a substitute for feats.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thank you for avoding the question for the 4th time. So, you concede that the OS has no battle feats or has worked on anybody of Exitar's level. You keep giving descriptions and hyperbolic statements and have yet to give me battle feats. So, thank you for once again proving my point and avoiding the question because you have no answer. You couldn't just said the OS hasn't worked against anybody on Exitar's level and actually on anybody of any significance. Thank you

Again learn to identify the difference between a description and hyperbole. As far as not working on anyone of signifcance, what's that supposed to mean?

The avatar of the Source/champion of freedom/master of the life equation Mr. Mircacle and the Batman are far more significant than Exitar. But that's just me.

As far as whether or not it works on Exitar, you've yet to provide any argument why it wouldn't.

^ you didn't just post that, i must have misread it.......

Originally posted by Naija boy
The fundamental force of restriction? Honestly in literal terms that hardly means anything at all. It certainly doesnt prove that it would affect exitar. Not even close. No limit fallacies.

How do you figure? You do know what fundamental means right? As far as Exitar goes, what's the source of your confidence?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ you didn't just post that, i must have misread it.......

He used the word 'significant'. Exitar isn't more significant then the characters I mentioned.

according to a concept exclusive to dc comics.

batman wouldn't carry that "title" over to marvel if he was transported there.

You know about concepts of hierarchy of infinities, right?

So, what about Exitar can exist in higher-level-infinity of realities, then OS can throw at him?

And 'fundamental' doesn't means shit.
Gravity, time or frigging electricity all are fundamental, and still are Celestials' bitches.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
according to a concept exclusive to dc comics.

batman wouldn't carry that "title" over to marvel if he was transported there.

I was pointing out that significant goes both ways. Also in many ways Batman is more 'significant', even in his placement in the fictional mythos.

Originally posted by Survivor19
You know about concepts of hierarchy of infinities, right?

So, what about Exitar can exist in higher-level-infinity of realities, then OS can throw at him?

And 'fundamental' doesn't means shit.
Gravity, time or frigging electricity all are fundamental, and still are Celestials' bitches.

Gravity is fundamental to natural space-time, restriction is an idea or form that exists beyond the natural physical realities.

We're talking fundamental in the philosophical sense i.e. the intangible ideas and forms that exist before the physical interactions.

The fundamental force of restriction is not any natural fundamental force like gravity.

and so is wolverine.... big deal.... oh but wait, the celestials were the ones who tampered with humanity that allowed mutation in the first place. without them there wouldn't be any eternals, deviants, skrulls, or mutants.

wanga maximoff is a mutant, by extension the celestials are the prime-movers of everything she's ever done.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
and so is wolverine.... big deal.... oh but wait, the celestials were the ones who tampered with humanity that allowed mutation in the first place. without them there wouldn't be any eternals, deviants, skrulls, or mutants.

wanga maximoff is a mutant, by extension the celestials are the prime-movers of everything she's ever done.

I know that. But I hope you're not going to argue that Batman's role as a keystone isn't more significant. Or the role he plays above and beyond fiction.

Kind of a pointless thing to mention by Thanosi. Even Miracle is certainly more 'significant' in the role he plays and his abiltiy to escape anything as the avatar to the god of freedom. Just a weak argument either way.

of coarse batman is more significant OUTSIDE of fiction, that's not really up for debate. but within the history of marvel, the celestials are as you put it, "keystone" characters.