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Who would win based on this amazing trailer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE4JygFXJpU

omg!

Based on that trailer alone and disregarding everything else that happened in the movies then Jane would win.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Based on that trailer alone and disregarding everything else that happened in the movies then Jane would win. Why? He got owned twice by the both of them, which I assume would be the standard case anyway. Frank is good, but the other two are on another playing field.

Ray Stevenson's Punisher ownz them both in the same time

That trailer was brilliant!
Anyway Punisher probably wins more often than not, depending on the arsenal he gets. He can do more damage in one go than the others, if he's equipped like he is in the movie.

They shot at him and Batman pressed something that blew up on him, his armor protected him any damage whereas we have Punisher with already a win over the superhuman (to their standards) Russian, Frank even had batman on the ground with a gun pointed in his face. Also Joker owning Frank is never standard anywhere.

Punisher wouldn't kill Batman because he's a fellow hero, while Batman would simultaneously try to capture Joker and stop Frank from killing people. He's the king of prep(Even by movie standards, Bale was a generally better planner and had more resources). And Joker would own Punisher 99% of the time, he's that good.

Are the ownings when Batman caught him off guard and hit his gun with something, and when Joker shot at his car?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
And Joker would own Punisher 99% of the time, he's that good.

Nah.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Punisher wouldn't kill Batman because he's a fellow hero, while Batman would simultaneously try to capture Joker and stop Frank from killing people. He's the king of prep(Even by movie standards, Bale was a generally better planner and had more resources). And Joker would own Punisher 99% of the time, he's that good.

Frank doesn't care if you're a fellow hero. Hell he killed Stiltman IIRC while he was trying to help him. He's shot Wolverine in the face and ran him over with a steamroller too.

Batman is not the king of prep, there are a few who can plan faster and better than him if given the same resources.

What has Joker done that puts him above Frank? How does he trump Frank in your opinion?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Are the ownings when Batman caught him off guard and hit his gun with something, and when Joker shot at his car? Yes, and when Batman parried the sword at his apartment and when Joker apparently flipped blows up Punisher in a truck at 2:12. And notice how Punisher never gets a clear shot at Joker.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Yes, and when Batman parried the sword at his apartment and when Joker apparently flipped blows up Punisher in a truck at 2:12. And notice how Punisher never gets a clear shot at Joker.

That was actually a pipe not a sword. Actually Joker was in the truck, not Frank, they even showed Frank pushing the button. So Frank actually owned Joker.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Frank doesn't care if you're a fellow hero. Hell he killed Stiltman IIRC while he was trying to help him. He's shot Wolverine in the face and ran him over with a steamroller too.

Batman is not the king of prep, there are a few who can plan faster and better than him if given the same resources.

What has Joker done that puts him above Frank? How does he trump Frank in your opinion? Well since I mention standard continuity:

The Joker has built robots that are capable of beating Superman
Has taken on the power of a god
Has poisoned god level beings
Has owned people in combat and intellectual matters who should be better than him on paper(Batgirl, Deathstroke, Ra's Al Ghul, Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman, etc)

Based on the trailer, it appears Joker always has the upper hand too.

Since when have Stiltman and Wolverine been straight heroes? Batman is almost exactly like Franks hero, Captain America, in stature and reputation.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
That was actually a pipe not a sword. Actually Joker was in the truck, not Frank, they even showed Frank pushing the button. So Frank actually owned Joker. Oops, my mistake. But if we are assuming everyone acts in character and "in order", Joker survives that attempt on his life.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Well since I mention standard continuity:

The Joker has built robots that are capable of beating Superman
Has taken on the power of a god
Has poisoned god level beings
Has owned people in combat and intellectual matters who should be better than him on paper(Batgirl, Deathstroke, Ra's Al Ghul, Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman, etc)

Based on the trailer, it appears Joker always has the upper hand too.

Since when have Stiltman and Wolverine been straight heroes? Batman is almost exactly like Franks hero, Captain America, in stature and reputation.

Yet at the end of the day he still gets owned by a powerless human. What's his defense against a bullet to the head or his base being blown up?

He couldn't have always had the upper hand if his truck blew up due to a bomb by Frank.

Wolverine and Punisher are the same type of hero and at that time Stiltman was trying to help him and Frank even knew that. Frank is in no way near Steve Rogers in stature, reputation or anything for that matter. Do you read The Punisher comics at all?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Oops, my mistake. But if we are assuming everyone acts in character and "in order", Joker survives that attempt on his life.

so Joker survived an assassination attempt on his life in the movie? Not saying that Frank killed him there, I'm just asking. Joker showed no h2h feats that puts him above Frank, nor any bullet dodging or durability.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yet at the end of the day he still gets owned by a powerless human. What's his defense against a bullet to the head or his base being blown up?

He couldn't have always had the upper hand if his truck blew up due to a bomb by Frank.

Wolverine and Punisher are the same type of hero and at that time Stiltman was trying to help him and Frank even knew that. Frank is in no way near Steve Rogers in stature, reputation or anything for that matter. Do you read The Punisher comics at all? How would Frank even know where to look for the Joker?

He survived it anyhow. That's at least a moral loss for Frank.

I said Batman was similar in stature. Bruce almost peak human and is a brilliant prepper as Steve is a brilliant tactician.

You obviously haven't seen Punisher interrogate someone. Joker's thugs aren't loyal to him, they only work for him because of fear and money.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
so Joker survived an assassination attempt on his life in the movie? Not saying that Frank killed him there, I'm just asking. Joker showed no h2h feats that puts him above Frank, nor any bullet dodging or durability. The Joker always has the home field advantage, so the burden of proof is on Frank. He owned a man who was trained by literally the best in the world, how much more proof do you need?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Joker always has the home field advantage, so the burden of proof is on Frank. He owned a man who was trained by literally the best in the world, how much more proof do you need?

He didn't own him in that trailer and you said based only on the trailer. When did he take Batman on 1 on 1 and owned him? Throughout that trailer they couldn't hurt Frank at all, his armor took everything they had.

Ra's is only the best in Batman World.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He didn't own him in that trailer and you said based only on the trailer. When did he take Batman on 1 on 1 and owned him? Throughout that trailer they couldn't hurt Frank at all, his armor took everything they had.

Ra's is only the best in Batman World. Not many people debate based on trailers alone. I meant to say that if this trailer was being made into an actual movie, who would win?


Batman never kills and Joker obviously is just toying with him like he does Batsy.