Cloud and Samus vs Link and Mega Man X

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Acrosurge
Samus (Metroid Prime) teams up with Cloud (FFVII) against Link (LoZ:TP) and Mega Man X (Mega Man X: Command Mission).

The fight takes place on top of the Babel Orbital Station from Mega Man X:Command Mission. A pocket of air has been provided for Cloud and Link.

Battle 1: Basic gear. Here's the breakdown -

Samus - Varia Suit, Power Beam (chargeable), Morph Ball (and bombs), and missiles.

Cloud - Buster Sword, Ice Materia, Lightning Bolt Materia, Summon Titan, and the Beam Blade limit break.

Link - Master Sword, Hylian Shield, Hero's Clothes, Hero's Bow (quiver and arrows), Clawshot, and Bombs

X - Standard armor from X:CM equipped with the dash, X-Buster, two Power Charges, the Charge Shot Action Trigger, and the X Fire Hyper Armor (with its abilities).


Battle 2: The fighters are fully equipped with all the gear from the game specifically listed above.

Battle 3: The fighters get access to all of their abilities or weapons from any game in which they've appeared.

Oh yeah, and this one's for you ScreamPaste. Magic and Tech vs Tech and Magic. Who wins and who falls broken?

ScreamPaste
Lol, <3 Acro. This'll be fun.

Side note though, you gave Samus a pretty useless teammeate. Anyone in this thread spites Cloud pretty badly. =/

Fight one; Cloud gets his arms torn off, and Mega-man and Link get to team up on Samus, who while intensely durable, I doubt she can kill either of them with just her charge beam/missiles.

Fight two, I don't know Mega-man's end game gear but I do know Samus' and Link's.

Cloud gets his arms torn off, and now Samus has super missiles and a missile spewing flamer thrower. Plus her suit's black, so it looks badass. Still, getting teamed up on makes it kind of bad for her, especially if Mega man has any broken time stops.

Last fight Link rips Cloud's arms off and has the triforce.

Acrosurge
Yikes. O_o;

This isn't mean to be spite! Cloud is pretty strong and his Titan Summon and Beam Blade limit break should be somewhat of an equalizer.

And Scream, what did Cloud's arm ever do to you?

ScreamPaste
I just like the image of him getting his arms pulled off. First out of socket, then tearing until they're fully detatched and he falls to the ground, and bleeds out.

Unfortunately the realism in my head means he never totally loses the second arm, it's still hanging there, but yeah. It's dead.

Acrosurge
Um, Scream, I think there might be something wrong with you ^_^;

I'm going to ask you or a Final Fantasy fan to help me out here:

How can I even the playing field to make Battle 1 more even for Cloud? What can I give his standard arsenal (no advanced, late-game overpower weapons) to make a basic fight fair?

ScreamPaste
I hear that a lot.

I'm not sure what you could give him, really. Cloud's best strength feats that I'm aware of don't put him as any stronger than say, Spider-man. Which means he won't be able to damage either Link or Mega man. His Materia's mostly without destructive feats or is pure gameplay. Even Omni-slash has never been shown to do anythign except make Sephiroth die. Destructive feat wise, that's not huge because Seph's never displayed a great deal of durability compared to anyone in this thread.

Imho, ask an FF fan, maybe Killer.

NemeBro
*Fight starts, since Link is too slow, he is cut to pieces by Cloud, or Samus blows him to pieces*

smile

ScreamPaste
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NemeBro
That girl looks familiar.

I think I saw her on ED's list of 4chan members.

Acrosurge
Is there a fire here? Did just step in it with a bucket of gasoline?

Seriously, my apologies. It wasn't my intention to set off any bombs. I just wanted to create a balanced match with popular characters. I should have put in Mega Man instead of X. >.>

NemeBro
Stfu.

ScreamPaste
Nemebro's been trolling me for a couple days now.

Edit; Imho though, this thread turns into

1. 2v1 which gheys Samus

2. 2v1 which gheys Samus

3. Link has the triforce, which gheys Samus.

NemeBro
Trolling you?

I am dead serious.

Speed kills. And speed is something Link lacks.

Acrosurge
Well, we're doing better. Cloud has speed going for him. How fast is he? Does he have feats. How fast is Samus, BTW?

ScreamPaste
A fly's faster than me, but I'm not gonna die because of one.

Samus charge beam has squat for destructuive feats and Cloud's no stronger than Spider man, at BEST.

NemeBro
Samus is mach 17 I think, but she can dodge lasers pretty easily.

As for destructive, her missiles should do the job.

Cloud effortlessly dodges and deflects bullets while weakened.

Cloud can be as strong as Spiderman and still be able to kill Link. Since you know, Link has no durability feats outside of gameplay.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by NemeBro
Samus is mach 17 I think. I have never heard this about Samus before. Is it stated that she can move/react at 17 times the speed of sound?

ScreamPaste
Not to my knowledge.

MooCowofJustice
That's a very interesting feat. Where is it from?

Are you using her speed boost power? That would only cover her on one fight. Link and X still rape the first and last.

Acro, I've never played Command Mission but I wanted to. Is it really good?

Acrosurge
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Acro, I've never played Command Mission but I wanted to. Is it really good? The fighting system is pretty good for a turn-based RPG. Very fun and easy to get used to. The story is lacking, IMO, which is a shame given the character potential. Fortunately, X and Zero become ludicrously powerful by the end of the game... just like always. smile

X:Command Mission introduces two active female protagonists, Marino and Cinnamon. Marino is one of my favorite characters. In her bio, it states that her specialty is moving so fast, she cannot be detected. Sadly, the story does not incorporate this trait, but the gameplay does. She can literally speed-blitz opponents indefinitely, so long as you feed her Gain Hypers every five turns or so.

MooCowofJustice
Neat. I might have to buy it.

How is it on Length and Replay value? I need games to keep me entertained until September.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Neat. I might have to buy it.

How is it on Length and Replay value? I need games to keep me entertained until September. I dunno if it would hold your attention that long. There's quite a bit to collect (including powerful bonus weapons/techniques for the characters), but I think you could probably finish the game in 12 or less hours of straight play.

MooCowofJustice
That's too bad. It looks like a cool game.

Is there a hard mode or anything too? 12 hours is good enough on it's own to warrant a buy. I tend to beat games using different teams of characters too. So if there's a hard mode or something too I could stretch this for quite a while.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I have never heard this about Samus before. Is it stated that she can move/react at 17 times the speed of sound? Manga I believe, it's canon.

MooCowofJustice
I didn't even know there was a manga. Why does Samus get one when OoT's had to be fan made? Laaaaame.

NemeBro
OoT's was fanmade?

News to me.

MooCowofJustice
You might want to check out Samus' then. I don't think Nintendo has ever made an official manga.

Acrosurge
Mach 17's a pretty high speed for something that we really don't Samus portray in the games, so I'd love to see some hard evidence.

Even if the above figure can be proven canon, I can't see it being Samus's regular operating speed, but one attained with the Speed Booster. That being the case, she wouldn't get access to it for Battle 1.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Mach 17's a pretty high speed for something that we really don't Samus portray in the games, so I'd love to see some hard evidence.

Even if the above figure can be proven canon, I can't see it being Samus's regular operating speed, but one attained with the Speed Booster. That being the case, she wouldn't get access to it for Battle 1. Speed booster increases movement speed, not reaction. She reacts to lasers as well.

Samus has also survived a black hole to my recollection, the only one here who might be able to match that power is Megaman X.

ScreamPaste
I'm going to have to check how 'canon' this Manga is, some peopel think the Zelda manga is canon. So.. I'll go investigate.

NemeBro
Why do you have a BT quote in your sig?

What kind of fail is that?

ScreamPaste
It's ironic. He says about Sephiroth what we tell him about Kain.

Edit; The manga is not officially canon, it is /considered/ canon by most people who read it, but it has never been said to be canon, it's simply licensed by Nintendo. Nintendo licenses a lot of non-canon stuff. The Zelda manga is licensed, but non-canon.

Kirikaze Fuuma
@ScreamPaste : Cloud survived after took Bahamut's fireball blast while much smaller fireball destroyed the monument and the surrounding area. Cloud can even cut a building, survived after pierced on his chest by Sephiroth in Nibelheim, and his omni slash makes him intangible. You call him weak? Or maybe Link, X and Samus had done much better? I don't know about Link's and Samus's powers so explain it to me about them.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
@ScreamPaste : Cloud survived after took Bahamut's fireball blast Was obviously shielded.

Kirikaze Fuuma
Originally posted by NemeBro
Was obviously shielded.

Shielded? by what?

NemeBro
If I recall right, Aerith.

She bails him out alot in AC.

K1ll3r
Originally posted by NemeBro
If I recall right, Aerith.

She bails him out alot in AC.

This is true, he gets healed halfway through the energy ball.

However he took a bullet to the face.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by NemeBro
Speed booster increases movement speed, not reaction. She reacts to lasers as well.

Samus has also survived a black hole to my recollection, the only one here who might be able to match that power is Megaman X. Fair enough, though I'm currently reading the Metroid manga now, so I'll be able to confirm/deny her speed and reaction time.

Both Mega Man and X can react to lasers and do so routinely. It comes along with the robot/android reflexes. Both of them have also survived tactical Black Holes (as opposed to the wormhole variety popular in scifi) and X has used his power to tank nuclear warheads and, of course, he has the afore mentioned feat of absorbing a planet-busting force.

In retrospect, I still regret putting X in here instead of Mega Man. He overpowers team 2 too much, but I wanted to balance out Cloud's RPG gameplay, and Rock has never been in an RPG.

ScreamPaste
I'm really glad this manga isn't canon, according to the manga by 14 Samus was still dumb as a post in the middle of a driveway. =[

Acrosurge
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm really glad this manga isn't canon, according to the manga by 14 Samus was still dumb as a post in the middle of a driveway. =Aw, c'mon Scream; she's not any dumber than any other 14 year old girl! I'm liking the manga so far, but ever time I hear the word Federation, I always think of Star Trek's Federation. smile

A couple decent agility and shooting feats so far.

ScreamPaste
I'm just saying, as a Samus fan, it's alot easier to like her when she's not talking =P

Kinda like Link in the old Zelda cartoon.. /cringe.

Cyner
if Metroid: Other M, uses her stuff from Super Metroid she's gonna be overpowered as heck in that game...

Maybe they'll even include "cutscenes" so that people who pretend to know anything about the games will be able to understand how powerful she is.

ScreamPaste
Samus is epic win, just not in the manga xD

NemeBro
Why? I never have read it honestly, only seen a few scans.

ScreamPaste
The first couple chapters portray her as a stereotypical teen ala Sailor Moon.

NemeBro
Lol.

Really? erm

ScreamPaste
Yeah. erm It's saddening for me, I always had this mental image of her being like, ridiculously confident and professional.

It also demistifies the Chozo pretty badly, exploring Chozo ruins was always so fun in the Metroid games. no expression

I'm hoping it gets better.

NemeBro
If you are lucky, maybe a breast shot? If you're lucky, a vag one. 131

Phanteros
Originally posted by NemeBro
If you are lucky, maybe a breast shot? If you're lucky, a vag one. 131 I'm going to "investigate" this manga.

ScreamPaste
I doubt it, Nintendo would never lisence Samus pr0n :P Sadly.

Cyner
actually I found a manga of her that has some pretty good fan service shots and art in general... but it's in japanese only

ScreamPaste
Sharrre.

NemeBro
Indeed, PM if need be.

ScreamPaste
It's getting better, she's off to solo a Space Pirate armada. :]

NemeBro
Samus does that in the games too though lol.

ScreamPaste
Yes, but it's an upgrade from her acting like a whiney teenager. =P I'll let you know if it picks up nicely or flounders from here.

NemeBro
PM me any bewbz.

ScreamPaste
I will, but if it's licensed by Nintendo, don't hold your breath, sir. =P

Acrosurge
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I doubt it, Nintendo would never lisence Samus pr0n :P Sadly.

Originally posted by NemeBro
PM me any bewbz.

Hey! No Samus P0rn in my thread! KThanksbuhbye. mad

ScreamPaste
laughing Fear not, there's no Samus pr0n kickin' around, this manga got semi-legit partway through the second volume. o:

Anyway. If this manga is canon, Samus' legs can be messed up by Kraid stepping on her. Apparently she can walk on busted legs, though, complete with a trail of blood. Maybe it's the suit? =P

Edit: K, then she had a vision, that wasn't actually a vision.. and she can walk again? I'm confused.

Phanteros
yeah Gumachi was already kicked out for Samus porn

ScreamPaste
His Gumachi account's unbanned now, it was onyl gone for a week, the Valiant is banned for being a duplicate account though.

Phanteros
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
His Gumachi account's unbanned now, it was onyl gone for a week, the Valiant is banned for being a duplicate account though. i wonder why he isn't here.

ScreamPaste
Make a Dante vs thread, he has to show up.

ScreamPaste
For the record, unless I find something really broken out about Samus, I'm putting money on Mega Man and Link for all matches. Cloud's just too much of a nonfactor.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
For the record, unless I find something really broken out about Samus, I'm putting money on Mega Man and Link for all matches. Cloud's just too much of a nonfactor. I have to agree. Her firepower doesn't seem to be leaps and bounds above Mega Man's firepower (which means X has a huge advantage in that department) and I've still not found any evidence of Mach 17 speed or reflexes (still reading, though).

Oh, and Scream, just so you're aware, X is still officially in this match, not Mega Man (they're two separate characters). I have to be very precise about this because too many people assume that their capabilities are the same. I would have preferred the original Mega Man in this fight to make it more balanced, but its too late to change it now.

ScreamPaste
K, Link and X o.o

I played Megaman 2 last night. Heatman's level was hellish.

Edit: The manga's not canon anyway, though, so feats from Samus in the manga aren't official. That said, she's pretty powerful in super metriod. You may want to check that game out =P

I really like Samus.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
K, Link and X o.o

I played Megaman 2 last night. Heatman's level was hellish.

Edit: The manga's not canon anyway, though, so feats from Samus in the manga aren't official. That said, she's pretty powerful in super metriod. You may want to check that game out =P

I really like Samus. Thanks, Scream. You've made me a happy fan; too many people act like Mega Man and X are the same. Its a pretty ridiculous statement to make once you've actually gone through the games and the story.

Was that your first time playing Mega Man 2? Are you playing on Hard mode or Normal mode?

I've played Super Metroid, Metroid: Zero Mission and Metroid Fusion. I've enjoyed all three! I'd like to find a decent SNES emulator so I can finish Super Metroid!

Acrosurge
Okay, back. I just finished reading the Metroid Manga and found no references to Mach 17 speed or reflexes for Samus. That being the case, I'm going to conclude (based on the evidence in the canon games) that Samus does indeed have enhanced physiology (strength, reflexes, agility) but not in the bullet time or speed of sound category.

I can safely say, then, that in her Power Suit, she isn't faster than X.

NemeBro
She is able to easily dodge lasers from what I hear.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by NemeBro
She is able to easily dodge lasers from what I hear. Lightspeed reflexes and dodging the aim of a human/alien/other gunner are two separate things. X can dodge lasers. Mega Man can dodge lasers and wait lazily for a bullet to reach him before dodging it. If that's the standard for speed/reflexes, three-quarters of all video game characters can move at lightspeed.

I'm not attacking you, NemeBro, but the laser-dodging thing is a common fallacy both in VG battles and Comicbook battles.

NemeBro
Lasers do not move at lightspeed first of all.

Second of all...You know I really do not care, I'm not going to argue this.

LLLLLink
Team 2 rapes Team 1.

Phanteros
oh common guys, cloud is a huge threat with his Omnislash that moves at the blink of an eye.

NemeBro
It would kill Link. smile

Acrosurge
Originally posted by Phanteros
oh common guys, cloud is a huge threat with his Omnislash that moves at the blink of an eye. I wouldn't contradict that, but I am curious about concrete strength and speed feats for Cloud. I know how he moves in game, but that isn't always the best indication for a character's abilities.

For instance, X can deliver over 120 hits in a single attack, but I've never used that to argue his superspeed. Perhaps I should.

Again, I'm not interested in attacking Cloud, but I am really interested in actual feats for the guy. Link has quantifyiable strength feats; I'm sure Cloud must have them too.

Phanteros
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I wouldn't contradict that, but I am curious about concrete strength and speed feats for Cloud. I know how he moves in game, but that isn't always the best indication for a character's abilities.

For instance, X can deliver over 120 hits in a single attack, but I've never used that to argue his superspeed. Perhaps I should.

Again, I'm not interested in attacking Cloud, but I am really interested in actual feats for the guy. Link has quantifyiable strength feats; I'm sure Cloud must have them too. he can slice van sized debris from a sky scrapper. a bullet timer.

ScreamPaste
Spiderman could do either of those things.

Phanteros
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Spiderman could do either of those things.
are you saying link has a move that happens in the faster than the eye can see.

NemeBro
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Spiderman could do either of those things. Spiderman is also much faster than Link.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by NemeBro
Spiderman is also much faster than Link. Spider-Man is a quantifiable, beyond-all-doubt, bullet timer. He routinely dodges machine gun fire after it leaves the gun barrel. He has moved to block bullets from a gun that was less than 15 feet away after the gun was fired.

Is Cloud actually a bullet timer? Can you explain the "van sized debris from a sky scrapper" thing? Did debris fall from a skyscraper, which Cloud then sliced before it hit the ground?

ScreamPaste
He was in the path of a few peices of debris and cut through it as it fell, given that such pieces would break under their own weight anyway, it's less impressive than it sounds. Imho, Cloud is below Spiderman in everyway.

Also, blocking bullets with a sword the size of the buster sword? I could do that. It's a freeakin' foot wide. <<;

NemeBro
You could not even lift the Buster Sword.

But to be serious, Zack was able to block gunfire with his smaller, SOLDIER sword. Cloud>Zack.

Acrosurge
I can buy that. Are there vids or pics for this bullet-blocking?

NemeBro
Yeah.

I'm not going to find them though.

Acrosurge
Oiy, then its not going to help your case, then. I've found some sources that corroborate your statement, but they are animated and I'm not sure that they are game canon.

NemeBro
I don't really give enough of a shit to prove my "case."

If people are too lazy to find basic knowledge on character's they are debating against, that's their problem.

Acrosurge
Nothing personal, but you realize that makes your statements look pretty weak? If you're okay with that, cool. Just sayin'.

Me, I'm still wondering how Cloud and Link's durability stack up against each other. I mean, they're both basically human, organic in their composition. They do not (at least in the first fight) have the protection of armor, so they're likely inferior when compared to Samus and X. For that matter, I wonder about Samus's durability stacks up against X? She's genetically enhanced and wears the Power Suit and he's armored inside and out.

NemeBro
Neither Link nor Cloud have showed any signifigant level of durability.

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