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no handicap.

wolverine 8/10

Wolverine 6/10.

As mch as I want Spidey to win Elektra can mindrape him (can't she?) and Wolverine has hf so he's the last one standing.

Wolverine has the endurance and psi-blocks. Does Elektra even present a threat to Spider-Man physically?

yes she does.

Spiderman all day

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Wolverine has the endurance and psi-blocks. Does Elektra even present a threat to Spider-Man physically? If she tries fighting him without using her powers Spider-man might accidently kick her head off.

Well I'm saying is she fast enough to tag a non-jobbing Spider-Man? Strong enough to hurt him(punches/kicks not pressure points)?

all spidey has to do is web da b*tch(if she cant mind rape him) and knock her head off.

wolverine still wins though

Originally posted by SamZED
If she tries fighting him without using her powers Spider-man might accidently kick her head off.
naw she bee fine, she can amp her durability to redciulous levels through chi.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well I'm saying is she fast enough to tag a non-jobbing Spider-Man? Strong enough to hurt him(punches/kicks not pressure points)?

yes she is fast enough. Yes she strong enough to hurt him, not that it matter sinces she has weapons, so she has no real need to punch, but instead stabb

Elektra.


She's manhandled Wolverine multiple times. Spider-Man is her only real competition here. I would say his webbing would pose the most problem for her, but I don't think he has any resistance to her ninja magics.

She'll have him thinking he's already ko'd both Wolverine and herself while she slits his throat.

wolverine wins more often then not.
elektra comes a close second even a possible split
spidey straight out loses right out the gate most often then not. he might actually be able to beat elektra if he were completely out of character.

Originally posted by Konton
Elektra.


She's manhandled Wolverine multiple times. .
No she hasent. She beat him onces and that not how it play out on the forums. Logan is superior to her, has to much damage soak to loses to her for any type of majority

I know Elektra has some crazy feats but her last display of fighting skills against Bullseye wasnt something to be proud of...

Originally posted by SamZED
I know Elektra has some crazy feats but her last display of fighting skills against Bullseye wasnt something to be proud of...
her last display? She was drugged and injured, she still beat him and kinda badly.

Yeah, but he clearly understimated her at the end. In the beginning of the fight she wasn't drugged but Bullseye was having the upperhand.

Originally posted by SamZED
Yeah, but he clearly understimated her at the end. In the beginning of the fight she wasn't drugged but Bullseye was having the upperhand.

He always talks like that. She was injuried, your trying to say a bulleye at 100% vs an elektra not even closes to 100% beating him is a bad showing of skill for her? also what is the point your trying to make?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He always talks like that. She was injuried, your trying to say a bulleye at 100% vs an elektra not even closes to 100% beating him is a bad showing of skill for her? also what is the point your trying to make? I mean the fight itself, not what he was saying. In the beginning Bullseye was dominating, hit her, blocked several attacks with ease. And im not trying to make a point, just saying. I already admitted that she's gonna mindrape SM.

Originally posted by SamZED
I mean the fight itself, not what he was saying. In the beginning Bullseye was dominating, hit her, blocked several attacks with ease. And im not trying to make a point, just saying. I already admitted that she's gonna mindrape SM.
No he wasent, I just read the fight again. They hit eachother the same amount of times. He was far from dominating her. Hell she started winning so he throw the arrow at the girl knowing elektra would save her.

also in the beggining of the fight elektra even thinks about running, because bulleye killed her onces and it messes with her mind.


actaully you were trying to make a point, you never would jhave stated it if you dident. You trying to say she not as skilled, based off her msot recently showing. Which by the way we dont do that, one showing does not make some one better or worse. Also she was injuried before the fight. If anything the fight shows how much of a bad ass she is.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he wasent, I just read the fight again. They hit eachother the same amount of times. He was far from dominating her. Hell she started winning so he throw the arrow at the girl knowing elektra would save her.

also in the beggining of the fight elektra even thinks about running, because bulleye killed her onces and it messes with her mind.


actaully you were trying to make a point, you never would jhave stated it if you dident. You trying to say she not as skilled, based off her msot recently showing. Which by the way we dont do that, one showing does not make some one better or worse. Also she was injuried before the fight. If anything the fight shows how much of a bad ass she is. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said anything about her not being "as skilled", in fact I dont doubt that she can kick Bullseye's ass. But I dont believe she can beat non-jobbing Spider-man unless she uses her powers.
As for the fight, I've read it today, Bullseye was clearly winning, he cut her, easilly blocked her attacks and punched her in the face, she had to use a trick to actually hurt him. She was far from winning when he threw that poisont arrow.

Originally posted by SamZED
, Bullseye was clearly winning, he cut her, easilly blocked her attacks and punched her in the face, she had to use a trick to actually hurt him. She was far from winning when he threw that poisont arrow.
No he wasent. He never cut her at all actaully. He throw a bullet she caught the bullet, she attack he blocked, he punched her, she exploded the bullet in his face. He stagger back smiled and throw an arrow at the girl. Thats far from dominating or even winning the fight.

Ok I guess I just see it differently. But the way he was blocking her attacks with a smile on his face and without visible efforts and the fact that HE was the one to punch her and not viseversa makes me think that he was dominating.

Originally posted by SamZED
Ok I guess I just see it differently. But the way he was blocking her attacks with a smile on his face and without visible efforts and the fact that HE was the one to punch her and not viseversa makes me think that he was dominating.
He always smiles, becauses he smiles that means he not trying? thats assurd I guess, forrest griffin never tries in fights. yea he pounched her in the face, and she exploded a bullet in his. Not sure how that equates to dominating at all. The fact he through the arrow at the girl with poison on it knowing elektra will grab it, proves he himself clearly did not think he was dominating. He enjoys the thrill of fights, which is why we does not uses guns unless he needs to, then why would he all of a sudden want elektra poisoned, if he was "dominating"? also again she was injuried.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He always smiles, becauses he smiles that means he not trying? thats assurd I guess, forrest griffin never tries in fights. yea he pounched her in the face, and she exploded a bullet in his. Not sure how that equates to dominating at all. The fact he through the arrow at the girl with poison on it knowing elektra will grab it, proves he himself clearly did not think he was dominating. He enjoys the thrill of fights, which is why we does not uses guns unless he needs to, then why would he all of a sudden want elektra poisoned, if he was "dominating"? also again she was injuried. K i give up. I already said I do not doubt that she can kick his ass, just saying that it seemed to me like he was winning that fight. Guess that's just me.

anyways, elektra would loses to spiderman with the using mind rape

Originally posted by Battlehammer
anyways, elektra would loses to spiderman with the using mind rape Wait, are you saying that he can resist her powers?

with out using it lol my bad. There no way spiderman could resist it.

Oh ok got it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No she hasent. She beat him onces and that not how it play out on the forums. Logan is superior to her, has to much damage soak to loses to her for any type of majority

She's got the better of him many times. Albeit a few encounters had many variables to consider (such as fatigue, mind control, etc). But she has always been portrayed as his superior.

Here she is clearly dominating him.
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And here she is mind controlled. Just thought I'd throw this one in because it happened.

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Here she stabs him and leaves him for dead.

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Continued from before. They met again later.

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Logan admits she had a better chance against Gorgon then he did.

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Wolverine was in bad shape here, but Elektra still did exceptional against a super-human opponent.
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Sorry for the multiple posts in a row. I know the rule. But I was told Wolverine and Elektra only fought once. That was, uh, dumb.

Originally posted by Konton
She's got the better of him many times. Albeit a few encounters had many variables to consider (such as fatigue, mind control, etc). But she has always been portrayed as his superior.

Here she is clearly dominating him.
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This might not even be cannon for starters. Then lets review her statement in which she states pretty clearly the only reason she winning is because he trying to help her and reach her and she trying to kill him that makes a huge differences in a fight. Also look at the last scan that claw would have gone through her throat if not for the tracking beam.

Originally posted by Konton

And here she is mind controlled. Just thought I'd throw this one in because it happened.

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again this might not even bee cannon. And again if you look at the context, she amped up on drugs and his body is rejecting them. Then onces it completely out he able to easily slash her to cause the same to her.

Far from good evidences for you to state that Elektra beats wolverine.

Originally posted by Konton

Logan admits she had a better chance against Gorgon then he did.

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/th_gorgon.jpg

Yea because her creator was the author of the story, and it was hyper bole. Logan did do better vs gorgon then elektra ever did. so not sure how that even helps prove your point in the least.


her only legitment win is the reedmer and on the forum that would not happen like this. Logan damage soak is far to high for her to win if neither is holding back or have other out side circumstances

Originally posted by Battlehammer
This might not even be cannon for starters.


again this might not even bee cannon. ROFLMAO

Originally posted by Konton
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Sorry for the multiple posts in a row. I know the rule. But I was told Wolverine and Elektra only fought once. That was, uh, dumb.

No I said she only beat him ones and I ment legitmently, not ones based off circumstances.


oh and why even bring up the shield one? he had just healed from 90% of his body burnt off, she used the shield agents to gain a surprize attack and he was mind controlled.


None of this is present during a forum match making this quite irrelevent.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ROFLMAO
what? It might not be cannon it based off a video game.


and by the way in the run wolverine man handles spiderman

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what? It might not be cannon it based off a video game.


and by the way in the run wolverine man handles spiderman which game?

Originally posted by Starscream M
which game?
I forget the name to be honest. I think it called the imperfects.

Either a split between Wolvie and Elektra or Elektra takes a very small majority.

Spidey's going to be in a lot of pain.

Pretty solid fight, but Spiderman won't be losing a heavy majority. Not on KMC too many options.

Depends on the setting and the distance he can get. Wolverine vs Elektra is great, but against Spiderman it won't be the same for her. Wolverine and Spiderman has been going on for years, so I'll skip that.

No against spiderman she can attack his mind an option which she cant due with wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No against spiderman she can attack his mind an option which she cant due with wolverine. Yes, but s he has the maneuverability disadvantage and needs the ability to launch that attack, which won't happen often in this match.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
This might not even be cannon for starters. Then lets review her statement in which she states pretty clearly the only reason she winning is because he trying to help her and reach her and she trying to kill him that makes a huge differences in a fight. Also look at the last scan that claw would have gone through her throat if not for the tracking beam.



again this might not even bee cannon. And again if you look at the context, she amped up on drugs and his body is rejecting them. Then onces it completely out he able to easily slash her to cause the same to her.

Far from good evidences for you to state that Elektra beats wolverine.

It's canon. The material was writen intended to be used in the canon Marvel Universe.

You know for someone who wnats to argue Wolverine/Darkness is canon....


And she's not "amped" She's just having her aggression pushed up. It's been very clear in multiple statements that Wolverine holds Elektra in higher regard than himself. From all appearances he only hangs with her due to HF with the one exception being his rooftop training arguably.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea because her creator was the author of the story, and it was hyper bole. Logan did do better vs gorgon then elektra ever did. so not sure how that even helps prove your point in the least.

No he didn't he just took more damage and was able to land blows while taking it... HEALING FACTOR.

Originally posted by SamZED
Yeah, but he clearly understimated her at the end. In the beginning of the fight she wasn't drugged but Bullseye was having the upperhand.

Uh.... what?!

Are you kidding me?

Elektra has a broken foot, broken humerous, cracked inner ear, eight broken ribs, a body full of alien contaminants that have effectively kept her from healing, had been shot twice and bled out for 12 hours until she collapsed into a pool of her own blood and had to be hooked up to IV's for the time it took those assassins to track her down in the same evening, THEN took a swan dive out of a building before taking down an assassin.

The Night Nurse said she shouldn't have even been on her feet.

Yet she caught Bullseye's bullet. Impressive.
Countered Bullseye's punch by setting herself up to literally shoot him in the face with his own round using her sai point to hit the round in her hand during fast paced h2h combat....
Even Bullseye was impressed by that, and that was definitely not him getting the upper hand.

Then he hit her with a paralyzing drug coated arrow..... and she STILL BLITZED HIS ASS and jacked him with his own arrow?! Yeah you think that's not impressive? Against a guy who's taken DD? oooook.

Elektra wins.

She would beat either of them 1v1 for a majority.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh.... what?!

Are you kidding me?

Elektra has a broken foot, broken humerous, cracked inner ear, eight broken ribs, a body full of alien contaminants that have effectively kept her from healing, had been shot twice and bled out for 12 hours until she collapsed into a pool of her own blood and had to be hooked up to IV's for the time it took those assassins to track her down in the same evening, THEN took a swan dive out of a building before taking down an assassin.

The Night Nurse said she shouldn't have even been on her feet.

Yet she caught Bullseye's bullet. Impressive.
Countered Bullseye's punch by setting herself up to literally shoot him in the face with his own round using her sai point to hit the round in her hand during fast paced h2h combat....
Even Bullseye was impressed by that, and that was definitely not him getting the upper hand.

Then he hit her with a paralyzing drug coated arrow..... and she STILL BLITZED HIS ASS and jacked him with his own arrow?! Yeah you think that's not impressive? Against a guy who's taken DD? oooook. This huge post was completely unnecessary. If you read the thread you'd see that we covered that part already. I admitted I was wrong.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yes, but s he has the maneuverability disadvantage and needs the ability to launch that attack, which won't happen often in this match.
.......he cant dodge a attack to the mind lol

Originally posted by jinzin
It's canon. The material was writen intended to be used in the canon Marvel Universe.

You know for someone who wnats to argue Wolverine/Darkness is canon....

You may be right, I am not sure, I could have sworn it was stated as not cannon in an article, but I could be wrong.

I argued that it cannon for quite a few reason valid ones, more so then comic created to hype a video game. For starters the author in an article clearly implies it was ment to be cannon. Also the issue came out right after wolverien regain his memories. Wolverine also shown that he knows how to get to the top cow world due to
L&L

Originally posted by jinzin
And she's not "amped" She's just having her aggression pushed up. It's been very clear in multiple statements that Wolverine holds Elektra in higher regard than himself. From all appearances he only hangs with her due to HF with the one exception being his rooftop training arguably.
No it did amp her. he;ll the crap made normal humans superhumans. It made them stornger and faster not simply more agressive.

Yes Logan thinks extremely highly of elektra, but that does not mean he would not beat her. They have had one legitment fight, rest were very circumstantial. Logan damage soak is simply to much

Originally posted by jinzin
No he didn't he just took more damage and was able to land blows while taking it... HEALING FACTOR.

He look to do much better to me, he dodge the attakc that KO her, and he dident get enarly as wreck vs gorgon as her. True it had a lot to do with damage soak, but the statement still was nothing but hyper bole, just becuases some one took elektra out dont mean they will beat wolverine or even be that much fo a threat.

Originally posted by Battlehammer



No it did amp her. he;ll the crap made normal humans superhumans. It made them stornger and faster not simply more agressive.

Yes Logan thinks extremely highly of elektra, but that does not mean he would not beat her. They have had one legitment fight, rest were very circumstantial. Logan damage soak is simply to much


In that issue it was revealed that Logan knew he was faster and stronger in comparison to Elektra. But he couldn't understand how Elektra makes him look bad in there fights. Elektra explained that while she is trying to kill Logan. Logan is trying to reach out to her.

So Logan holds back in his fights with her as well.

I didn't realize Elektra even HAD powers...

spiderman

Originally posted by Battlehammer
naw she bee fine, she can amp her durability to redciulous levels through chi. not high enough

she made her hand so durable a bullet bounced off.....she taken repeated shots from super skrulls ect.

so she's super-durable then? I guess all the street levelers who have taken hits from 50 and 100 class characters have durability sufficient enough to? let's see, wildcat endured black adam three times, so he has at least 100+ class durability, cap took a few from namor, so he has at least 90........shall I continue?

Originally posted by namorsubby
so she's super-durable then? I guess all the street levelers who have taken hits from 50 and 100 class characters have durability sufficient enough to? let's see, wildcat endured black adam three times, so he has at least 100+ class durability, cap took a few from namor, so he has at least 90........shall I continue?
What's your point. Elektra's taken shots from people who are stronger than Spiderman. Ergo, she can take a few of Spiderman's shots.

Not hard, really.

Originally posted by namorsubby
so she's super-durable then? I guess all the street levelers who have taken hits from 50 and 100 class characters have durability sufficient enough to? let's see, wildcat endured black adam three times, so he has at least 100+ class durability, cap took a few from namor, so he has at least 90........shall I continue?

differences is elektra been shown to have the ability to chi amp, as well as shown super natural powers through the dark arts like telepathy, casting illsuions ect.

she superhuman.

she has no super-human durability. she's peak human at best with some hoodoo ancient powers and what not(SOMETIMES), but's she's not superhumanly durable. couple 10 ton shots to the face and she's done, unless it's one of those days, days like all peak humans have, you know what i'm sayin

Originally posted by namorsubby
she has no super-human durability. she's peak human at best with some hoodoo ancient powers and what not(SOMETIMES), but's she's not superhumanly durable. couple 10 ton shots to the face and she's done, unless it's one of those days, days like all peak humans have, you know what i'm sayin
actaully she over peak human, her speed is clearly superhuman and she been consistently shown to be this way.

they aint powers, it abilites taught to her by stick and the hand, which her creator came up with.

I dont think she can withstand to many shots, I only argued that one shot woudlent kill her, hell it wouldent even KO her.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......he cant dodge a attack to the mind lol I think you might have missed what I said.

you mean like blocking bullets with her sai?, or appearing invisible running(which is BTW, just meant to add to her whole ninja vibe), or dodging point blank gunfire? many peak humans do these same things. even d-listers.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think you might have missed what I said.
what you trying to say spiderman would take her out before she mind raped him? doubtful, very doubtful seeing as the speed of though is reidculously fast and elektra for one has rediculous levels of speed to beggin with.

Originally posted by namorsubby
you mean like blocking bullets with her sai?, or appearing invisible running(which is BTW, just meant to add to her whole ninja vibe), or dodging point blank gunfire? many peak humans do these same things. even d-listers.
Not at the level she has. actaully to be honest most of the top level streets feats dont compare to hers, she has some of the best reflex and movement speed feats.

what exactly doesn't compare?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what you trying to say spiderman would take her out before she mind raped him? doubtful, very doubtful seeing as the speed of though is reidculously fast and elektra for one has rediculous levels of speed to beggin with. Not quite what I was saying.

Originally posted by namorsubby
what exactly doesn't compare?
her feats of speed and reflex are higher, then most any street leveler.

like? wouldn't happen to be anything i've already stated would it?

evenif you did it harldy matter, because you righting feats off, does not change the fact they took place, but I learned to ignore you for the most part, becuase while I dela with facts, evidences and so forth, you dela with how you wish the characters to be potrayed not how they are.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
evenif you did it harldy matter, because you righting feats off, does not change the fact they took place, but I learned to ignore you for the most part, becuase while I dela with facts, evidences and so forth, you dela with how you wish the characters to be potrayed not how they are. battlehammer, what are you going off on that for? you're unneccesarily calling me a fanboy and i gotta say, I don't very much appreciate it. now what has ole namorsubby done to deserve your unprovoked negative commentary? lol

i just asked about the feats that set her apart from other peak humans who sometimes have high feats as well.

oh, and it's "writing" off feats

Originally posted by supremthor
Spiderman all day


spidey cant hurt logan. the adamantium skeleton and the healing factor prevent that. However i dont see logan getting his hands on spidey, aint happening.

Spiderman and Wolverine team up.

Wolverine stands on Spiderman's shoulders so he can be eye to eye with Elektra, while she is distracted by his rugged good looks Wolverine kills her.

Then Spiderman webs Wolverine up for the easy win.

Originally posted by zeel
spidey cant hurt logan. the adamantium skeleton and the healing factor prevent that. However i dont see logan getting his hands on spidey, aint happening. understand, I'm not in opposition of you.......but i gotta warn you.........you can't say things like that around here.


wolverine and spidey have the same reflex speed and spidey may be only marginally quicker because of his spidey sense........but so marginal that it can hardly be noticed.


that's the opinion I learned......and you best learn it too, that is, if you don't want trouble.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby
understand, I'm not in opposition of you.......but i gotta warn you.........you can't say things like that around here.


wolverine and spidey have the same reflex speed and spidey may be only marginally quicker because of his spidey sense........but so marginal that it can hardly be noticed.


that's the opinion I learned......and you best learn it too.lol Please, you should have been around in 05.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Please, you should have been around in 05. something tells me i shouldn't have.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby
something tells me i shouldn't have.lol
04 is something you would have loved, logan was underrated so badly that he lsot every thread he was in. DD wa sgetting 8/10 vs him, as was any other street levelers. His skills were stated by many to be well below people in 3rd tier. Hell I think I even remeber majority of people stating shadow cat (who wolverien trianed mind you) was vastly his superior in skill

Originally posted by namorsubby
battlehammer, what are you going off on that for? you're unneccesarily calling me a fanboy and i gotta say, I don't very much appreciate it. now what has ole namorsubby done to deserve your unprovoked negative commentary? lol

i just asked about the feats that set her apart from other peak humans who sometimes have high feats as well.
No I am saying you ignore evidences and are a waste of time and space. You also present no evidences and refuses to acknowledge when your wrong, out side begin sarcastic.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No I am saying you ignore evidences and are a waste of time and space. You also present no evidences and refuses to acknowledge when your wrong, out side begin sarcastic. "being" sarcastic....not "begin"


like I said, what did i do to deserve your insult? I simply asked you what elektra has done to put her above other peak humans who have a few higher than peak human feats, and then you called me a fanboy........well, not outrightly.....but you knew what you were doing.lol


if you felt stumped you should've just said so, or maybe tried being sarcastic like you say i do.........anything is better than lowering yourself to insults.lol

Not insulting you I am stating what you do, it who you are.


elektra delfect machine gune firer with her sias while in mid air, she speed blizt so fast under water she could not bee seen by the human eye ect.

also why would I call you a fanboy in a thread that dident have anything to do with namor........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also why would I call you a fanboy in a thread that dident have anything to do with namor........
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originally posted by Battlehammerelektra delfect machine gune firer with her sias while in mid air, she speed blizt so fast under water she could not bee seen by the human eye ect.

again, not being seen is a ninja kinda thing. taking it literally is a little silly. what is she, the flash?

concerning the first statement, i'm sure i could tell you a street-leveler who has done the same basic thing that you've never even heard of.

Originally posted by namorsubby
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again, not being seen is a ninja kinda thing. taking it literally is a little silly. what is she, the flash?

concerning the first statement, i'm sure i could tell you a street-leveler who has done the same basic thing that you've never even heard of.
It had nothing to do with her bieng a ninja, it was straight up speed.




Trust me you couldent. No street leveler has deflect gun firer of that magnitude while in mid air with such small weapons.

the guy in my avatar deflected gunfire with a boomerang while jumping........could you tell me his name please?


the ultimate d-lister has done near the same thing, so what's your point?


also, are you suggesting elektra really moves that fast? at her size do you know how fast she'd have to be moving to be invisible to the naked eye? are you seriously standing by that or would you like to admit that it's simply a device used to solidify her 'ninja-ness' like it really is before it's too late?

Originally posted by namorsubby
the guy in my avatar deflected gunfire with a boomerang while jumping........could you tell me his name please?


the ultimate d-lister has done near the same thing, so what's your point?


also, are you suggesting elektra really moves that fast? at her size do you know how fast she'd have to be moving to be invisible to the naked eye? are you seriously standing by that or would you like to admit that it's simply a device used to solidify her 'ninja-ness' like it really is before it's too late?

your guys name is Daredevil i believe and alex ross redesigned him from his original look.

aside from that you need to show consistend feats of your character that coresponds with his skill set and abilities.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
your guys name is Daredevil i believe and alex ross redesigned him from his original look. you're cheating........now he's knows.lol


but yeah he isn't even an official peak human and he's done it.a d-list street-leveler does it and is still d-list, but when elektra does it, it makes her special?

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BTW, that's his same basic costume with it's classic color scheme, just drawn by ross so it's looks modern and realistic.......and glossy.lol

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

aside from that you need to show consistend feats of your character that coresponds with his skill set and abilities. i guess the mentioning of my charcter sidetracked you.......i was simply using that as proof that any d-list nobody street-leveler can have feats that exceed what they should every once in a while. it doesn't make them anything more than they are. elektra is no exception, even though she clearly isn't d-list

now maybe you're saying that she consistently has feats on par with that, idk, but i'd disagree.

Basically I got into this same debate with jinzin on Elektra. He proclaimed Elektra is superhuman. But I showed she isn't. Direct comparisons are more important then flashy feats. If her peers that she fights state she is superhuman faster then them or is superhuman in comparison to them. That is more important then flashy feats. Because then any athlete character can be argued to be superhuman like.

Here's some of that debate of the scans that I used.

Originally posted by Daredevil1



Ill just sum all that together of your quotes since its about the same thing. Blocking mulitipile bullets is not that impressive jinzin. Heck even Zaran did it in mid jump against 4 men.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1541/72741zaran2122411lo.th.jpg
OH my god!!! Zaran must be Superhuman in speed..........LOL. But no and if you can't distinguish a flashy scene from what they actually are through the majority of there carrerr or more importantly through direct comparisons of there peers. Then you really don't grasp in how to rank or compare characters. You do know Zaran ran away from Captain America don't you? You do know that Zaran at the time even had help from Matchete as well don't you? Seriosly blocking bullets isn't a superhuman act in comics.

Heck Cap has outrun bullets in one scene and in another. So forget just hand movement but total body movement. No Elektras feats don't compare. Even Cap's crazier feat of blocking beams is still better then him running faster then bullets. You do know Cap played in beams under zero gravity. There was like 11 or more beams shooting at him. Sure one could argue he dodged one of there aim but all 11. I'm talking the space wasn't even that big and they had a tracking guiding them as well. Sure Cap had his shield but in some of the panels he didn't even use the shield.

And at one point he even threw the shield and still avoided the beams. Seriously jinzin. Funny thing is. Even though Cap's speed feats are better. Thats not what really justifies him to be faster. His direct comparisons against his peers is what helps really displays this and his statements of being enhanced to the peak of human potential.


Plus here Elekra its hard to tell by the art work but she's going toe to toe with her evil half in a sai throwing fight and gets hit. So even she gets hit by much slower things then bullets.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2829/daredevil32528.th.jpg

Funny thing is before Daredevil was attempting to parry bullets as well. Elektra moved out of the way and said its to risky. It all depends on the writer on how they portray bullets or make bullets job. Either way your focusing to much on that feat and clamoring superhuman speed. And if that example alone isn't good enough just look at all the times she's been hit by slower things. I can't believe I have to even point this out. She's even been hit by chains on different occasions.



Originally posted by Daredevil1
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2381/elektrav1017pharo15.th.jpg


http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3035/elektra1405.th.jpg


http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4807/elektrav20161920a.th.jpg

Oh my god these chain strikes must being going faster then bullets.




And were you always clamoring how impressive it was for Elektra beating a class 10 Silver Samurai. Well even in that scan while yes they do say he's class 10. They say Elektra is athlete.....LOL.


http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8781/elektrav2004002003.th.jpg


Elektra is not superhuman in speed nor strength which is what you used to say. So only you can quote bios for other characters but not fore Elektra. Give me a break.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You may be right, I am not sure, I could have sworn it was stated as not cannon in an article, but I could be wrong. Not that I've ever seen. Pretty much any material I've read about the mini stated that it was canon and intended for canon use, they were even referencing canon things all throughout the mini.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I argued that it cannon for quite a few reason valid ones, more so then comic created to hype a video game. For starters the author in an article clearly implies it was ment to be cannon. Also the issue came out right after wolverien regain his memories. Wolverine also shown that he knows how to get to the top cow world due to
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They're not more valid than reasons that stand for the Imperfect mini.


Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it did amp her. he;ll the crap made normal humans superhumans. It made them stornger and faster not simply more agressive.
You're right about that, sorry. I forgot they had the impartial narrative state it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes Logan thinks extremely highly of elektra, but that does not mean he would not beat her. They have had one legitment fight, rest were very circumstantial. Logan damage soak is simply to much I'm not arguing he wouldn't beat her. But the only reason he WOULD beat her is due to his healing factor.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Basically I got into this same debate with jinzin on Elektra. He proclaimed Elektra is superhuman. But I showed she isn't. Direct comparisons are more important then flashy feats. If her peers that she fights state she is superhuman faster then them or is superhuman in comparison to them. That is more important then flashy feats. Because then any athlete character can be argued to be superhuman like.

Here's some of that debate of the scans that I used.

Blah blah blah, yeah no you didn't. You showed low end feats which EVERY character has.

Her discription as an "athlete" which you cling to like grim death doesn't devalue her ACTUAL ON PANEL FEATS, which have been superhuman across the board.

You're argument poses nonsense. As if Danny Rand isn't capible of superhuman feats due to being a human.

baseline start off point is olympic peak human adrenaline, TP and chi amps can increase most MA fighters to superhuman lvls.. the lowest end feat of this being possible is taskmaster and his bullet catching feat and fast foward speed burst. he is limited with the amount of usage but the better trained you are the more likely and longer they can maintain and increase strength and speed/reflex to the superhuman lvl....