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They fight in downtown NYC -Harlem
Both get standard gear
current version of spidey
the most recent version of cap before he died
who wins and how give reasons why you think your character will win
discuss

Spider-Man 10/10. You have got to know these characters power levels. Your making spite threads.

The only advantage Cap has on Spidey is his fighting skill and experience. Spider-Man has everything else. If Cap is stupid enough to throw his shield he won't get it back.

IIRC Cap was able to dominate Spidey when he had the upgrade with stingers and stuff. Steve`s skills > Peter`s "power levels"

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Spider-Man 10/10. You have got to know these characters power levels. Your making spite threads.


You have got to know these characters history, and Spider-man has regularly been badly troubled by a lot less capable combatants than Steve Rogers.

Webbing may give Spider-man the majority, but if you think this is SPITE, then you don't know what you're talking about,

Oh, I don't? What's Rogers going to do? Spider-Man can rip his shield out of his hands and use it as a battering tool.

cap's jobber aura, skills and knowledge of spidey will get him 5.5 or even a 6/10 from spidey.

if we simply do bio stats then of course spidey wins.

if we draw our knowledge from the comics strength and weakness's spidey is slightly superior then cap but cap skills even him out enough to compete with the spider.

He can compete for a short time, yes, he just probably won't win any.

Jobber auras don't count. We make sense here.

Spidey`s simply a kid who sometimes need a daddy like Cap or Logan to shut him up and ground him

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/511/spc3tx0.jpg

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Oh, I don't? What's Rogers going to do?

Ask Kingpin.

Although i can tell you're a Bio kinda guy, thus your view is skewed and wrong forever, until doomsday cometh.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Ask Kingpin. Bullshit. But I'll play along. Current or Classic?

What would happen in a comic:
Spider-man's gonna spend most of the time doubting himself and let Steve punch him in the face.

What would happen in a comic if Spider-man was bloodlusted: Parker would go all out but Steve would somehow find some crazy way to stalemate him.

What SHOULD happen if Spider-man is bloodlusted and doesn't care that he's fighting CAPTAIN AMERICA:
The fight is in Harlem. One punch and Roger's head is near the statue of libirty...

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He can compete for a short time, yes, he just probably won't win any.

Jobber auras don't count. We make sense here.

What about the countless thugs that have put him on his ass?

Originally posted by SamZED
What SHOULD happen if Spider-man is bloodlusted and doesn't cate that he's fighting CAPTAIN AMERICA:
The fight is in Harlem. One punch and Roger's head is near the statue of libirty... This is the only scenario of the three that matter here. I'm a Cap fan but here he is inferior.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Spidey`s simply a kid who sometimes need a daddy like Cap or Logan to shut him up and ground him

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/511/spc3tx0.jpg

Totally agreed. Oh and profiled.

Originally posted by Juk3n
What about the countless thugs that have put him on his ass? Again, Bullshit.

what about DareDevil putting him on his @$$ while bloodlusted numerous times?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I don't like it, it didn't happen.

Fixed.

What SHOULD happen is not the way we debate. If it was, WWH wouldnt have got that far because there were MANY mutants on Marvel earth who could have mashed him.

What we go by here is Character history, some CIS, consistant showings and the truth is, Spider-man shows consistancy..in getting beat down in h2h fights with Top tier Martial artists. People like Blade or Kraven who rock him like a child.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Again, Bullshit.

Read more Spider-man

He holds back in books. He has no reason to here. Are Caps punches and kicks going to hurt Spider-Man? His shield is his only option to do considerable damage and it can easily be stripped by Parker's superior strength. Again I ask, what is Rogers going to do. He may know Parker's moves but that shouldn't mean he can react. Parker is too fast.

Originally posted by Juk3n
What SHOULD happen is not the way we debate. If it was, WWH wouldnt have got that far because there were MANY mutants on Marvel earth who could have mashed him.

What we go by here is Character history, some CIS, consistant showings and the truth is, Spider-man shows consistancy..in getting beat down in h2h fights with Top tier Martial artists. People like Blade or Kraven who rock him like a child. Blade has guns and blades. Kraven theoretically should only need one hit. Cap has neither of these luxuries.

Parker`s silly "style" of bouncing about is NOTHING to a master martial artist like Cap.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4228/spc6hl9.jpg

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Are Caps punches and kicks going to hurt Spider-Man?

YES, that's the point you Genius. Caps punches have hurt people more durable than Spider-man.

Your thinking to much about what "should happen", but the facts of Spider-mans pitfalls against master martial artists are all on panel , in colour for you to read whenever you like.

Do so


and stop your fanboy nonsense.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He holds back in books. He has no reason to here. Are Caps punches and kicks going to hurt Spider-Man? His shield is his only option to do considerable damage and it can easily be stripped by Parker's superior strength. Again I ask, what is Rogers going to do. He may know Parker's moves but that shouldn't mean he can react. Parker is too fast.

CIP.

Yes, they are. Even with the bulletproof armor Parker felt his punches.

Cap's not a slowpoke either.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Blade has guns and blades. Kraven theoretically should only need one hit. Cap has neither of these luxuries.
what cap has is a razor sharp shield that can slice parker in half or shatter petes skull or fist on first contact that is what captain america has. Captain america has the years of combat experience, MA skills and foresight to have studied parker and his fighting style to make this fight closer then you are willing to believe he also has higher stamina then peter if you want to believe it or not to simply tire the spider out with his hopping and dodging. The fact is that cap's only weakness here is that he will have to anticipate some of the spiders attacks against him which isnt much of a handicap seeing as the majority of fighters have bn doing it for ages since they dont have SSS coursing through their veins when fighting and dodging bullets they simply anticipate their opponents attack before hand.

Originally posted by Juk3n
What SHOULD happen is not the way we debate. If it was, WWH wouldnt have got that far because there were MANY mutants on Marvel earth who could have mashed him.

What we go by here is Character history, some CIS, consistant showings and the truth is, Spider-man shows consistancy..in getting beat down in h2h fights with Top tier Martial artists. People like Blade or Kraven who rock him like a child. Spider-man pwns Kraven all the time, Parker makes HIM look like a child. What you really should take into concideration -
1) Spider-man HOLDS BACK whenever he fights guys without super powers.
2) He even hold back when he fight people WITH superpowers
3) He jobbs often to let other less powerful heros look good. That happens all the time in comics, check pretty much any respect thread and you'd find scans of the character beating or stalemating Hulk. So now what? We take it seriously and use it as proofs? No.
4) Spider-man is capable of punching a hole in Cap's head and has the speed to do that.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Your thinking to much about what "should happen", but the facts of Spider-mans pitfalls against master martial artists are all on panel , in colour for you to read whenever you like. So Spider-Man is going to stand there? You think Cap will get in more hits than the faster person then vice versa? When I said Spider-Man 10/10 I meant that Spider-Man should win every fight, however Cap can put up a fight for varying degrees. It may last awhile but Spidey will still win.

I'm not a Spider-Man fanboy.

Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man is capable of punching a hole in Cap's head and has the speed to do that.

Too bad he is not skilled enough to connect and will only get Cap`s fist in his face for his trouble.. again.

the spider will only get a shattered hand when it connects with cap's shield for trying to decapitate the old war horse with a power punch.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Too bad he is not skilled enough to connect and will only get Cap`s fist in his face for his trouble.. again. He doesn't need the skill to connect, just the speed advantage. And he has it. Plus the strength advantage, plus reflexes, plus ss, should I continue? The only thing that Cap has over Spider-man is his jobber aura, oh and skills that mean jack in a fight against opponent who'd punch a hole in his head before he could throw a punch.
But if it makes anyone feel any better Cap can beat a holding back Spider-man who is doubting if he should fight at all.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Even with the bulletproof armor Parker felt his punches.

Cap's not a slowpoke either. Well, Stark stated it was designed for small calibre bullets. But I don't think it's designed to protect much against blunt force or explosions(shrapnel).

Agreed. Cap is far from a slowpoke. He is outclassed by Spider-Man however.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what cap has is a razor sharp shield that can slice parker in half or shatter petes skull or fist on first contact that is what captain america has. Captain america has the years of combat experience, MA skills and foresight to have studied parker and his fighting style to make this fight closer then you are willing to believe he also has higher stamina then peter if you want to believe it or not to simply tire the spider out with his hopping and dodging. The fact is that cap's only weakness here is that he will have to anticipate some of the spiders attacks against him which isnt much of a handicap seeing as the majority of fighters have bn doing it for ages since they dont have SSS coursing through their veins when fighting and dodging bullets they simply anticipate their opponents attack before hand.

1. Spider-Man is going to tire from hopping and dodging? That's his trademark style. I don't recall him bending over on his knees in lack of air alot after doing this.
2. Cap has a number of weaknesses here. He's inferior in strength, speed, agility, and durability.
3. I'm sure Cap knows Parker's style. But that doesn't necessarily mean he should be able to react to the person far faster.

Originally posted by SamZED
He doesn't need the skill to connect, just the speed advantage. And he has it.

Actually since he is pretty unskilled Cap will pretty much know what Spidey will do before he knows it himself just by reading his body language.. it is what master martial artists do. Spidey will hit hothing except the shield just like he has done before over and over again. Then an All American haymaker will put Parker on his ass.. as usual.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Actually since he is pretty unskilled Cap will pretty much know what Spidey will do before he knows it himself just by reading his body language.. it is what master martial artists do. Spidey will hit hothing except the shield just like he has done before over and over again. Then an All American haymaker will put Parker on his ass.. as usual. He may be able to limitedly predict Spider-Man's moves but it doesn't mean he'll be able to react to them. Daredevil does the same thing and when Parker doesn't hold back.........

It's usual for Parker to hold back against his lifelong role model. The guy who he nearly shits his pants when he's in his mere proximity. That BS is irrelevant here.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Actually since he is pretty unskilled Cap will pretty much know what Spidey will do before he knows it himself just by reading his body language.. it is what master martial artists do. Spidey will hit hothing except the shield just like he has done before over and over again. Then an All American haymaker will put Parker on his ass.. as usual. Even if Spider-man's gonna hit the shield, the next thing he's gonna do is use his spider powers to pull it along with Cap's hands. Your logic is weird. I can show you 4 fights where Spider-man is either winning or stalemating Hulk. By your logic since that is a "usual" thing Spider-man can beat non-jobbing Hulk. You can talk about Cap's ma skills all day, that aint gonna help him a bit. The truth is - one punch is all Parker needs to kill Steve if he's bloodlusted. And he has every physical advantage to land that punch. Simple as that.

Originally posted by SamZED
Even if Spider-man's gonna hit the shield, the next thing he's gonna do is use his spider powers to pull it along with Cap's hands.

You realize that even NAMOR failed to do that?

Originally posted by SamZED
You can talk about Cap's ma skills all day, that aint gonna help him a bit. The truth is - one punch is all Parker needs to kill Steve if he's bloodlusted. And he has every physical advantage to land that punch. Simple as that.

Seems skills > Parkers advantages since he has lost pretty badly to Cap more than once in the past. Skills and willpower is what makes one able to overcome any challenge. Simple as that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You realize that even NAMOR failed to do that? Unlike Namor Spider-man doesn't need to GRAB the shield. Spider powers, remember?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You realize that even NAMOR failed to do that? Combat speed-wise Namor isn't as fast as Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Skills and willpower is what makes one able to overcome any challenge. Simple as that. If it's so simple why did he get thrashed against the faster and stronger(sound familiar) opponent in Iron Man.

Cap dwarfs Stark in skills but Stark reflexes, speed, and strength were far among Cap. Don't say Stark is a 100 tonner and Spider-Man fluctuates from 15-25 tons because I seriously doubt Stark would ever hit his friend that hard.

Originally posted by SamZED
Unlike Namor Spider-man doesn't need to GRAB the shield. Spider powers, remember?

He'd just remove the paint.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Seems skills > Parkers advantages since he has lost pretty badly to Cap more than once in the past. Skills and willpower is what makes one able to overcome any challenge. Simple as that. Yeah, maybe in a romantic novel...
In a fight Parker's gonna shove Steve's will power im not gonna tell where. Stop bringing their past fights. I already said that SM HOLDS BACK even when he fights Green Goblin who is his mortal enemy, let alone when he fights a legend, a man he admires. He questions himself a billion times before throwing a punch. Not gonna happen if he's bloodlusted and that is the scenario im talking about.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Combat speed-wise Namor isn't as fast as Spider-Man.

If it's so simple why did he get thrashed against the faster and stronger(sound familiar) opponent in Iron Man.

Cap dwarfs Stark in skills but Stark reflexes, speed, and strength were far among Cap. Don't say Stark is a 100 tonner and Spider-Man fluctuates from 15-25 tons because I seriously doubt Stark would ever hit his friend that hard.

Debatable.

Stark had Extremis then and his armor recorder "every punch Steve has ever thrown".

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He'd just remove the paint. Not really, his powers do not work that way. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to stick to walls through his costume. He'd remove Steve's hands.

Originally posted by SamZED
Not really, his powers do not work that way. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to stick to walls through his costume. He'd remove Steve's hands.

He'd dislocate them, at best.

For whoever said that Kraven makes Parker look like a child...

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1787/amazingspidermanannual0.th.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1787/amazingspidermanannual0.th.jpg


Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He'd dislocate them, at best. Even if so after that he'd still punch him in the head.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stark had Extremis then and his armor recorder "every punch Steve has ever thrown". That isn't the point. He had recorded every attack, yes, and for the sake of this argument you Cap supporters claim he can attest to something similar when it comes to Spider-Man. Iron Man knew what Cap was going to do, yes, but he had the necessary speed, reflexes, and strength to carry out his counters and attacks. Spider-Man may not be on Iron Man's level(we don't know how hard Tony was trying) but he holds the same advantages here against Cap that Tony had in Civil War.

If Tony knew all of Parker's moves too it sure did show.

pretty sure even in a blood lusted mode the spider would have a just as much trouble against cap due to even more sloppy attacks.. seeing as DD has humiliated spidey a few time when he was bloodlusted.

1. CIS/PIS cap 8/10

2. CIS 5.5 to even a full 6/10

3. Bloodlusted spider Calm Cap 7/10

4. Bloodlusted 50/50

Originally posted by Darth Martin
If it's so simple why did he get thrashed against the faster and stronger(sound familiar) opponent in Iron Man.

Cap dwarfs Stark in skills but Stark reflexes, speed, and strength were far among Cap. Don't say Stark is a 100 tonner and Spider-Man fluctuates from 15-25 tons because I seriously doubt Stark would ever hit his friend that hard.

Well I don`t know Cap`s record against IM but the powersets are hardly comparable. Are you saying the fights where Cap dominated Spidey like the unskilled teenager he is did not happen because of something IM has done?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Spider-Man may not be on Iron Man's level(we don't know how hard Tony was trying) but he holds the same advantages here against Cap that Tony had in Civil War.

What? So he's facing dazed Cap and has a free shot?

Originally posted by Mshinu
Well I don`t know Cap`s record against IM but the powersets are hardly comparable. Are you saying the fights where Cap dominated Spidey like the unskilled teenager he is did not happen because of something IM has done? No. Just a comparison of Cap vs a person who has advantages in speed, reflexes, and strength. Again, I'm aware Iron Man>>>Spider-Man>Cap.

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