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can the gl win?

Yo.

Hal shows him how to bag wimmen in under 30secs; Nate conceeds defeat & becomes a student of his teaching on "How to be a Player".




Tazer

otay buddy

good to see ya posting on kmc

Shaman FTW...check this thread..http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t453257.html

Don't Lanterns have psi-blocks?

Yeah, and Hal's are some of the best. He wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, and Hal's are some of the best. He wins.

Nate is far more than just a telepath but he'd have a hell of a time against Jordan.

Still not a remotely easy match for either of them .... I'm going to stiuck to 50/50 for now.

yeah same here.

Hal FTW

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Don't Lanterns have psi-blocks?
Hal has bin effected by telepathy though. It grants him resistance, not immunity.

The real question, is how his psi-block's stack up to Nate Grey? And why?


Despite the fact, over all I give Hal the majority.

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Hal has bin effected by telepathy though. It grants him resistance, not immunity.

The real question, is how his psi-block's stack up to Nate Grey? And why?

Despite the fact, over all I give Hal the majority.

incorrect: GLs tp-shields grant immunity, as theyve *never* been beaten b4 once activated. even Fernus never actually got thru.

now, granted they arent always activated.........




Tazer

Assuming that Hal does know Nate possesses mystical/magical prowess and TP powers, he should enable the psi-blocks, rendering TP virtually useless, especially to a GL of Hal's caliber.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Assuming that Hal does know Nate possesses mystical/magical prowess and TP powers, he should enable the psi-blocks, rendering TP virtually useless, especially to a GL of Hal's caliber. Nate has a bad habit of breaking mind blocks, wont be long before he breaks him..

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Nate has a bad habit of breaking mind blocks, wont be long before he breaks him..

Which is based off like, nothing.

i'd give hal a slight egde. maybe 6/10 based on what i've recently read of the shaman.

Hal every single time 10/10

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



incorrect: GLs tp-shields grant immunity, as theyve *never* been beaten b4 once activated. even Fernus never actually got thru.

now, granted they arent always activated.........




Tazer

Incorrect they grant resistance not immunity. I remember Guy and co struggling with them on.

Wow, that is so cool!

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/haha_oh_wow.jpg

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Incorrect they grant resistance not immunity. I remember Guy and co struggling with them on.

GLs have shown considerable resistance against TP'ers WITHOUT their shields (such as when Hal fought Guy, Star Sapphire *and* Hector Hammond w/o tp-shields) being up, and to date when ever they HAVE been up all tp-atks (Fernus being a notable exception) have been nullified.

unless U can be more specific of the instance U saw them struggling w/them up, GL tp-shields grant immunity.




Tazer

Nate is a real rulebreaker ftw

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



this to me sounds like he accomplished that task via tk, rather than tp.

granted, I *never* read Xman, Im just saying how it comes across given the fact he does have "the standard two".




Tazer
Psi inhibitors target psionic powers.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



GLs have shown considerable resistance against TP'ers WITHOUT their shields (such as when Hal fought Guy, Star Sapphire *and* Hector Hammond w/o tp-shields) being up, and to date when ever they HAVE been up all tp-atks (Fernus being a notable exception) have been nullified.

unless U can be more specific of the instance U saw them struggling w/them up, GL tp-shields grant immunity.




Tazer

GLC v4 #7

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Psi inhibitors target psionic powers.

wasnt doubting *that*, but was saying how Nate took out the inhibitors.......

Originally posted by id369
GLC v4 #7

U mean this book:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/574/150571-18248-111461-1-green-lantern-corps_super.jpg

or this: http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1867/168048-18216-113139-1-green-lantern_super.jpg




Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



wasnt doubting *that*, but was saying how Nate took out the inhibitors.......



U mean this book:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/574/150571-18248-111461-1-green-lantern-corps_super.jpg

or this: http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1867/168048-18216-113139-1-green-lantern_super.jpg




Tazer

Ok I see what you mean.

Yeah that book.

Yo.

ok, I read BOTH books since U never actually stated which 1 ya meant...........and theres nothing in either which deals w/tp-shields.

try again??




Tazer

Originally posted by Raoul
that contradicts and is contradicted by hal's showing in one of the gl books around the same time with hector hammond.

True but, you cant deny that Hammon was weaken at the moment.

Recently Tangent did a number on Guy and John. Despite being aware of Tangen Supermans ability.


It goes to what I stated earlier, that the ring can only apply resistance not immunity.

The real question, is how does Nate's psi stack up to the ring's defenses. Because I place Nate's power above Hector or the Dominator, nearing Tangent Superman psi. He did sweep through Sinister own Mind (a telapth himself), and those psi disruptor when he was like 10 or something.

Shaman X-Man, under his own power can merge minds across realities.

Originally posted by id369
True but, you cant deny that Hammon was weaken at the moment.

Recently Tangent did a number on Guy and John. Despite being aware of Tangen Supermans ability.


It goes to what I stated earlier, that the ring can only apply resistance not immunity.

The real question, is how does Nate's psi stack up to the ring's defenses. Because I place Nate's power above Hector or the Dominator, nearing Tangent Superman psi. He did sweep through Sinister own Mind (a telapth himself), and those psi disruptor when he was like 10 or something.

Shaman X-Man, under his own power can merge minds across realities.

true @ hammond part.

in hal's origin, sinestro dissed him for not being able to deal with hammond. to me, that implied that an experienced GL should have no problem dealing with a telepath.

i think if the shield is up, most gl's should be protected by most telepaths, if you tell the ring to block psionic signals.

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
True but, you cant deny that Hammon was weaken at the moment.

which has nothing to do w/it becuz it was *specifically stated* that Hal both LOWERED & RAISED his tp-shield in GL v4 #4, and I dont remember HH being weak in the moment, inasmuch as lonely & starved for outside stimuli (correct me if Im wrong on that anybody).

Originally posted by id369
Recently Tangent did a number on Guy and John. Despite being aware of Tangen Supermans ability.

It goes to what I stated earlier, that the ring can only apply resistance not immunity.

which I also dont remem them fighting him w/their tp-shields activated.

and to go along w/my point, theres a Guy/Ultra-Humanite fight in Blue Beetle Vol 2 #14 where after getting beaten on a bit by the U-H Guy *states* that he's kicked his shield on, and as I recall it becomes pretty much a wipe since he no longer needs to put any effort into dealing with him as a mental-threat.




Tazer

the walls around your mind bit is pretty ambiguous as far as statements go.

Originally posted by Raoul
true @ hammond part.

in hal's origin, sinestro dissed him for not being able to deal with hammond. to me, that implied that an experienced GL should have no problem dealing with a telepath.

i think if the shield is up, most gl's should be protected by most telepaths, if you tell the ring to block psionic signals.

It also indicates that they are not granted immunity, but resistance

I am telling you, its resistance not immunity.

Maybe we will get a better example of how mental shields stack up to a powerful psi, when Martian Manhunter guns to take down the GL members.

Originally posted by Tazer
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thats not his 1st time fighting Hammond, and him looking that way is largely due to artistic license; seeing as he has NO motor control, its not like he'll be able to keep himself from leaving spit-rivers going down his clothing (basically, he's a physical invalid).........



Ok how about this, show me a direct statement that states he was in 100% healthy.


Originally posted by Tazer


well, I do agree w/ya about the "fighting w/o mental-shields up" -thing (even tho that IS something which has been done, and often, throughout Oan-GL history), but that line is *still* not direct proof that they were up. and even if it did, U would have the *SOLE* example of it being so, as opposed to the rest of their history.

so sorry, but no dice.




Tazer

The walls around your mind are thin. - A direct statement to how weak their mental shields are to the Dominator.

You actually see the GL being effected by a TP assault, before he lets him know, that he has his own natural resistance to Telepathy.

This is tough to decide on, I'm going to say draw for now.

Originally posted by id369
Maybe we will get a better example of how mental shields stack up to a powerful psi, when Martian Manhunter guns to take down the GL members.

Marty (Hal Jordan's good side given life) blocks Martian Manhunter:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/1f32a478.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Marty (Hal Jordan's good side given life) blocks Martian Manhunter:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/1f32a478.jpg
Yeah but Marty is elite among elite. 131fist

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Marty (Hal Jordan's good side given life) blocks Martian Manhunter:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/1f32a478.jpg

I think Shaman nate is leagues above what MM can possibly hope to ever do. EVerything he accomplishes is through his mind and i'm sure you already know his feats.

^You think wrong.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
^You think wrong.
I don't like all the wanking MM's TP gets around here, but this I'll agree with.

Yo.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It also indicates that they are not granted immunity, but resistance

nooooooooot really.

Originally posted by id369
I am telling you, its resistance not immunity.

Maybe we will get a better example of how mental shields stack up to a powerful psi, when Martian Manhunter guns to take down the GL members.

already happened; MM was locked out.

and that was done while the person was fighting multiple opponents (MM included) at that.

Originally posted by id369
Ok how about this, show me a direct statement that states he was in 100% healthy.

sure, as soon as U show me a statement that says his health *wasnt* nominal.



Originally posted by id369
The walls around your mind are thin. - A direct statement to how weak their mental shields are to the Dominator.

You actually see the GL being effected by a TP assault, before he lets him know, that he has his own natural resistance to Telepathy.

no, thats U reading into it more than is actually being said.




Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Yeah but Marty is elite among elite. 131fist

nah, it was just his Ring given sentience.

there was nothing "elite" about it/him.




Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't like all the wanking MM's TP gets around here, but this I'll agree with.

if Xman has tp-feats that stretch over dimensions.....Im not sure Id pick MM over him.




Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



if Xman has tp-feats that stretch over dimensions.....Im not sure Id pick MM over him.




Tazer

Loki and Strange both have telepathy that stretch over dimensions.

It's not -that- impressive.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



if Xman has tp-feats that stretch over dimensions.....Im not sure Id pick MM over him.




Tazer

Dimensions? How about across realities.peaches

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0258/16.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0715/17_6.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0603/18_2.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0510/19_2.jpg

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Loki and Strange both have telepathy that stretch over dimensions.

It's not -that- impressive.

To be fair, Dr. Strange and his assistant Wong have stated that the magic-based TP that The Dr. uses is akin to using the backdoor with regular TP being the front door. It works alot differently than normal TP.

I'd assume Loki uses something similar. This of course, is not counting the use of the Eye of Agamotto for Strange.

Yo.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Loki and Strange both have telepathy that stretch over dimensions.

It's not -that- impressive.

both're magic users tho; I consider a feat done by a person NOT making use of an external power source more impressive personally.

Originally posted by id369
Dimensions? How about across realities.peaches

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0258/16.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0715/17_6.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0603/18_2.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0510/19_2.jpg

both words R synonymous in this context, so 6 of 1/2 OR half-dozen of the other really. THAT aside, I cant view the thumbs until I get home unfortunately (damn that Unc. Sam and his firewall......)






Tazer

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
To be fair, Dr. Strange and his assistant Wong have stated that the magic-based TP that The Dr. uses is akin to using the backdoor with regular TP being the front door. It works alot differently than normal TP.

I'd assume Loki uses something similar. This of course, is not counting the use of the Eye of Agamotto for Strange.

Never assume, because when you assume you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me" And since I am already an ass that makes me a double ass. You know what it's like to be a double ass? It's not fun. The majority of Loki's abilities are built in. He doesn't need to chant, dance, cluck or invoke any other people's name. And he has fought Odin on the astral plane.

Originally posted by id369
Dimensions? How about across realities.peaches

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0258/16.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0715/17_6.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0603/18_2.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0510/19_2.jpg

good point have never seen mm tp go across the multiverse. But tp (which hal has either immunity or resistance to ) is only going to be one factor. i like tk and tp characters against Green lanterns. While i like x-man can take every other gl (with the exception of mogo) I see hall getting 5.2 out of ten in there fights. it will come down to will power and both have it in spades but hal just has a little more.

Personally that's one of the best TP feats I have ever seen.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It also indicates that they are not granted immunity, but resistance

resistance dependent on willpower. with hal, it might as well be immunity.

Originally posted by id369
Personally that's one of the best TP feats I have ever seen.
Then you've obviously never read Mighty Mouse. biscuits

Originally posted by Raoul
resistance dependent on willpower. with hal, it might as well be immunity.

Meh, it's impossible to be immune to telepathy. You just like to cling on to that particular word. But it won't help against Nate. Next thing we know, Cassandra Nova's in for a whooping too, right?

Yo.

its also impossible to link minds across different dimensions..........






Tazer

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Meh, it's impossible to be immune to telepathy. You just like to cling on to that particular word. But it won't help against Nate. Next thing we know, Cassandra Nova's in for a whooping too, right?

i'm not clinging to anything, so calm down.

who's talking about cassandra nova? i'm not.