Mxy + Mandrakk + COIE AM vs. Molecule Man + PR Beyonder + Living Tribunal

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shokosugi
so which team wins?

Mindset
Superman

shokosugi
cmon

Mshinu
Originally posted by Mindset
Superman

occultdestroyer
Molecule Man is the weak link in the Marvel Cosmics.

Considering the fact that he recently got punked by Clyde.

shokosugi
this is PR Molecule Man

AlmightyKfish
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Molecule Man is the weak link in the Marvel Cosmics.

Considering the fact that he recently got punked by Clyde.

He was killed off panel then seen as a dead body in the Old man Logan future =/,
the same future where Logan killed Iceman by beheading him.

That hardly counts as a low showing, or even a showing at all.

guy222
All the godlike threads turn to **** fests

Mrblonde
Originally posted by guy222
All the godlike threads turn to **** fests

Agreed

Enyalus
Dr. Doom wins.

quanchi112
Team 2 stomps.

King Kandy
Team two ftw and easily.

Xplosive
Team 2.

TricksterPriest
Team 1 shitstomps due to Mandrakk. The entire team combined doesn't have the firepower to take HIM down.

Naija boy
Originally posted by King Kandy
Team two ftw and easily.

Enyalus
Mandrakk > DC Multiverse against LT > Marvel Omniverse. Consuming the orrery vs. Spinning megaverses in his hands, etc.

Then we've got COIE AM who survived a Creation destroying blast by Spectre, vs. PR MM who let loose a billion dimension busting attack.

Mxy vs. PR Beyonder....I won't get into that, because Galan would be upset with me. angel

Knowsbleed33
But Mandrakk was eating the story man.

Galan007
Originally posted by Enyalus
Mxy vs. PR Beyonder....I won't get into that, because Galan would be upset with me. angel hug


anyhow, superman, and/or doom ftw.

D_Dude1210
superman wins 10/10?

Lord Feron
Doesn't matter who is fighting... BATMAN ALWAYS WINS!!

Enyalus
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Doesn't matter who is fighting... BATMAN ALWAYS WINS!!
Until Doom steals his powers.

KuRuPT Thanosi
which powers? smile

Philosophía
Doom steals half his intellect like Libra did.

ftw.

..

KuRuPT Thanosi
i.e no increase in intellect for doom?

id369
PR Beyonder solos thanks to narrated feats.

Galan007
Originally posted by id369
PR Beyonder solos thanks to narrated feats. in that case, i think you'll love this...

-turpin-
"but wrestling with darkseid, well.... it's like trying to beat the ocean unconscious":

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885022_ds1.jpg

so, using the beyonder line of 'logic', darkseid was septillions of times > anyone else.


and per metron, mandrakk was an even greater threat than darkseid:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885023_ds2.jpg

that said, we can logically come to the conslusion that mandrakk is > darkseid who was already septillions of times more powerful than everyone! this makes makdrakk more powerful than beyonder, even by narration!!!!!!! evillaugh

duryes

Juntai
Originally posted by Galan007
in that case, i think you'll love this...

-turpin-
"but wrestling with darkseid, well.... it's like trying to beat the ocean unconscious":

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885022_ds1.jpg

so, using the beyonder line of 'logic', darkseid was septillions of times > anyone else.


and per metron, mandrakk was an even greater threat than darkseid:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885023_ds2.jpg

that said, we can logically come to the conslusion that mandrakk is > darkseid who was already septillions of times more powerful than everyone! this makes makdrakk more powerful than beyonder, even by narration!!!!!!! evillaugh

duryes Even though the drop in an ocean is just a figure of speech that people commonly use.

Galan007
when it comes to beyonder, that is beside the point!

when will you learn? uhuh

Mindset
Originally posted by Galan007
in that case, i think you'll love this...

-turpin-
"but wrestling with darkseid, well.... it's like trying to beat the ocean unconscious":

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885022_ds1.jpg

so, using the beyonder line of 'logic', darkseid was septillions of times > anyone else.

Not at all, I'm not even sure how you came up with that.

Beyonder 'logic' compared a droplet of water to the ocean, which you could come up with a comparison between the two, hence the septillion babble.

Galan007
same shit, different name.

just commenting on the stupidity, is all. vin

Enyalus
Originally posted by Galan007
in that case, i think you'll love this...

-turpin-
"but wrestling with darkseid, well.... it's like trying to beat the ocean unconscious":

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885022_ds1.jpg

so, using the beyonder line of 'logic', darkseid was septillions of times > anyone else.
Or, just a random thought here, but maybe it meant that a human (Turpin) was septillions of times weaker than an amped New God.

dur

Galan007
or maybe it was a simple hyperbolic phrase, so we as readers have an understanding that the character in question is powerful?

Enyalus
Originally posted by Galan007
or maybe it was a simple hyperbolic phrase, so we as readers have an understanding that the character in question is powerful?
Morrison does that a lot.

Galan007
almost all writers do.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Galan007
almost all writers do.
Shooter means everything he says. uhuh

Except when it comes to honoring Kirby's artwork contracts.

Juntai
Originally posted by Enyalus
Shooter means everything he says. uhuh

Except when it comes to honoring Kirby's artwork contracts. And when he said he was going to be on Legion for a long time.

And. .

Galan007
laughing out loud

Slaanesh
team 2 stomp..

Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by id369
PR Beyonder solos thanks to narrated feats.

You mean like Clyde Wyncham?

The Dark Cloud
Beyonder solos

shokosugi
Mxy solos

Nihilist
Team Omnipotence ftw...zzzzzzz

quanchi112
Originally posted by shokosugi
Mxy solos How so? He has been oneshotted before.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Enyalus

LT > Marvel Omniverse.

Spinning megaverses in his hands, etc.
It's a Marvel Comics feat,
so it's hyperbole.

Just like Beyonder creating from nothingness (On Panel - visually illustrated)
exactly what Shooter claimed,
a Reality compared to the infinite Multiverse,
like a "droplet of water compared to the ocean"

... is considered "hyperbole" by the haters.

This is aside from all the other incredible feats (also on panel)
performed by the self-impose limitations of the Beyonder.
Originally posted by id369

PR Beyonder solos thanks to narrated feats.
See what I mean. facepalm
Originally posted by Enyalus

PR MM who let loose a billion dimension busting attack.
"That blast would've slagged several Billion dimensions"

(Dimensions are entire Universes Marvel) big grin

Oh wait, that's just more hyperbole.
Originally posted by Juntai

Even though the drop in an ocean
is just a figure of speech that people commonly use.
Wut up Jun, been some time true debater & good friend.

But, I've yet to see where Shooter is quoted claiming this friend.

Because, he seemed pretty specific when he gauged Beyonder's power.

"Millions of times more than all the rest of the Multiverse combined"

(which included the LT)

Just sayin, when considering that specificity,
it's not a stretch to think he meant what he literally wrote
at the beginning of every single Secret Wars issue,
concerning the size of the Beyond Realm.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Mindset

Beyonder 'logic' compared a droplet of water to the ocean, which you could come up with a comparison between the two, hence the septillion babble.
thumb up

What's really laughable,
is how some will dismiss Beyonder's on panel showings
in combination with Shooter's literal narrated translation
of said power that displayed said on panel showings.

Yet,
extensive explanations will be driveled
concerning the horseshit nonsense that was Mandrakk.

("eating story" ... beaten by Superman's better story poopycock crap)

Meh, Hulk, Spiderman, FF, to name a few, are greater stories too,
giev em teh "cosmic armor" and they stomp just as well ey?

Anyway ...

Yea, we can justify Mandrakk only being able to beaten by his personal plot device,
the famous "cosmic armor" coupled with Supes historical story,
but let's overlook Beyonder literally stating on panel that he wills his own defeat,

... not that this is a shock,
since the bastard was "millions of times more powerful than the infinite Multiverse"

(which again, included the LT)

Meh, just venting a bit I guess,
it's just senseless to even take Superman Beyond seriously,
when it's obviosuly flirting with a 4th Wall garbage tone.

Just my opinion yall.

Enyalus
Deadpool was practically the editor of the Ms. Marvel book last issue. Even leaving the little editorial comments in the narration boxes at the bottom of the page to explain stuff.

4th Wall powwwah!

Mr Master
Originally posted by Enyalus

Deadpool was practically the editor of the Ms. Marvel book last issue. Even leaving the little editorial comments in the narration boxes at the bottom of the page to explain stuff.

4th Wall powwwah!
Right on. thumb up

... and talking about 4th Wall powaa!

... if you look at what She-Hulk did during her 60 issue Byrne run,
you'd have to sit back and wonder if life was imitating art,
or rather,
art was imitating life.

...Cause, there were many instances where She-Hulk was directing the comic. laughing out loud

Mxyee, eat yur heart out.

Juntai
Originally posted by Mr Master

Wut up Jun, been some time true debater & good friend.

But, I've yet to see where Shooter is quoted claiming this friend.

Because, he seemed pretty specific when he gauged Beyonder's power.

"Millions of times more than all the rest of the Multiverse combined"

(which included the LT)

Just sayin, when considering that specificity,
it's not a stretch to think he meant what he literally wrote
at the beginning of every single Secret Wars issue,
concerning the size of the Beyond Realm. I'm not saying his intent wasn't there, however, 'a drop in the bucket' or 'a drop in the ocean', and variations of are what anyone who's taken an English course understands is an idiom, or figure of speech.
When a newscaster makes a mention of Bill Gates spending money, and says him signing over 10,000 to a charity organization is a 'a drop in the ocean', they don't mean he has septillions times more money than that, because he doesn't. It's not a mathematical statement, it's a idiom used as a comparison. And it's a very popular one in writing.

http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=189357&d=11&h=24&f=254
Here's one example in journalism, considering 1.5million a drop in the ocean.

I could find more.
That's just a drop in the ocean.

xJLxKing
This thread is useless. Almost all these character are feats that can't be measure. Beyonder at one point was stronger then the entire MU. LT was spinning the Megaverse in his hand. Mxy destroyed the DCU. Killed the Spectre. Mandrakk was suppose to be a ultimate villain.

No one can decide the winner. It's just up to which character you like more.

D_Dude1210
Is it too late to say Superman solos all these b-listers?

supremthor
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Is it too late to say Superman solos all these b-listers? its never to late

The Nuul
Originally posted by Mindset
Superman

WhiteWitchKing
Originally posted by Galan007
in that case, i think you'll love this...

-turpin-
"but wrestling with darkseid, well.... it's like trying to beat the ocean unconscious":

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885022_ds1.jpg

so, using the beyonder line of 'logic', darkseid was septillions of times > anyone else.


and per metron, mandrakk was an even greater threat than darkseid:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1885023_ds2.jpg

that said, we can logically come to the conslusion that mandrakk is > darkseid who was already septillions of times more powerful than everyone! this makes makdrakk more powerful than beyonder, even by narration!!!!!!! evillaugh

duryes

But that's comparing Turpin to Darkseid. The Beyonder line compared the Marvel Universe to Beyonder.

Aha! Beyonder solos!

Endless Mike
Let's not deceive ourselves here.

Does anyone honestly think there will ever be a clear conclusion on matches such as these?

iceman24567
Nope

Enyalus
Mxy is the only true threat to anyone on Team Two, and that's only if we use WF.



Sorry boys, but that's how it is.

shokosugi
who's the most powerful in the list?

Enyalus
Originally posted by shokosugi
who's the most powerful in the list?
If we go by feats, PR Beyonder. Mxy. MM. LT. COIE AM. Mandrakk.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Enyalus
If we go by hyperbole, PR Beyonder. Mxy. MM. LT. COIE AM. Mandrakk. thumb up eek! big grin

Enyalus
Originally posted by iceman24567
thumb up eek! big grin
You can't create a universe that's vastly larger than the entire Marvel Universe and casually erase abstract entities while soloing multiple Celestials H2H and call it hyperbole.

Mindset
All of Beyonder's feats are hyperbole if you don't like them Enyalus, don't you know this?

Enyalus
Originally posted by Mindset
All of Beyonder's feats are hyperbole if you don't like them Enyalus, don't you know this?
So long as turnabout being fair play regarding Mandrakk comes into effect, I'm cool with that.

Mindset
Mandrakk can only be beaten by a better story, he is evil personified.

There is no hyperbole.

Enyalus
Another flawless victory for your uber debating skills, Mindset.

It isn't fair. Arguing with you is like debating God while you're paralyzed with terminal stage cancer. sad

Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by Enyalus
You can't create a universe that's vastly larger than the entire Marvel Universe and casually erase abstract entities while soloing multiple Celestials H2H and call it hyperbole.

These are nothing compared to turning the Heroes for Hire building into a pile of gold.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Enyalus
You can't create a universe that's vastly larger than the entire Marvel Universe and casually erase abstract entities while soloing multiple Celestials H2H and call it hyperbole. Yes you can, i just did roll eyes (sarcastic)

Enyalus
Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes you can, i just did roll eyes (sarcastic)
You don't count. You're high.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Enyalus
You don't count. You're high. It's fading so not really sad

Enyalus
Originally posted by iceman24567
It's fading so not really sad
Puff puff pass, homie.

iceman24567
Good idea but some UFC shit is on.

Enyalus
Originally posted by iceman24567
Good idea but some UFC shit is on.
Yes. Sweaty muscled guys mounting other sweaty muscled guys. Huzzah!

iceman24567
The game is MUCH more entertaining

psycho gundam
Originally posted by xJLxKing
This thread is useless.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Juntai

I'm not saying his intent wasn't there, however, 'a drop in the bucket' or 'a drop in the ocean', and variations of are what anyone who's taken an English course understands is an idiom, or figure of speech.
I agree.

Only this doesn't really relate to what Shooter said, imo.

Shooter simply and clearly stated,
that comparing the infinite Multiverse to the Beyond Realm,
is like comparing a droplet of water to the ocean.

There's no need to speculate on what that means imo,
when it's simple english without the need for an English course
to make it any simpler.

On top of this,
Shooter was direct, precise and literal when guaging Beyonder's power,
and if he used a specific number to assert that guage,
I'm going to go out on a limb and believe he meant what he said
concerning the analogy we're debating over.

Meh, and even if we don't take into account the analogy literally,
we atleast still know (undebatably) that Beyonder was in-fact,
millions of times more powerful than the infinite Multiverse combined.

In the end, that's what really matters,
he really was millions of times over infinity itself.
(yea it reads crazy, but it is what it is)

Factor that into perspective and we end up with:

a character that erased then re-created a Multiverse, (Mxy)
a character that threatened a Multiverse, (Mandrakk)
a character that nearly absorbed a Multiverse, (AM)

vs a character millions of times more powerful than a Multiverse, (Beyonder)
a character that was more powerful than a Multiverse combined, (MM)
a character that fashions the power of two Megaverses in one hand,
while spinning the destiny of the Omniverse in the other. (LT)

Not saying who wins, cause really, who gives a shit,
just defining the match according to feats/narration.

Who wins is a question for the sensible, bias, lovers and haters.
Originally posted by Juntai

Here's one example in journalism, considering 1.5million a drop in the ocean.

I could find more.
That's just a drop in the ocean.
I only want Shooter's take on the matter, (which I have him stating even in an interview)
any outside source is inconsequential to me good friend.

Knowsbleed33
I think it's obvious what Shooter was trying to suggest with the narration. He was suggesting that the Beyonder doesn't need the LT or Owens help here.

Galan007
Originally posted by Enyalus
If we go by feats, PR Beyonder. Mxy. i would like to know what feats beyonder has that puts him above mxy.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Galan007
i would like to know what feats beyonder has that puts him above mxy.
I gave them.

Galan007
can you give them again? purtty please. big grin

Enyalus
Originally posted by Enyalus
You can't create a universe that's vastly larger than the entire Marvel Universe and casually erase abstract entities while soloing multiple Celestials H2H and call it hyperbole.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Enyalus


embarrasment

Galan007
^

m'kay, but how exactly are we gathering that the universe beyonder created was larger than the mainstream marvel universe?



for one, the big bang of beyonder's universe was directly compared to that of the mainstream marvel universe:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893027/sw2.jpg.html

so...

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Or perhaps it was this instance?

"meeting no resistance in the infinite beyond":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893028/sw3.jpg.html

obviously it met no resistance. we already know the beyond realm was just a void... so what resistance would his big bang have met? however, i think it's wrong to assume his universe 'filled' the beyond realm, as it was never stated so.

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or this?

"giving meaning to the infinity in which they dwell":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893029/sw4.jpg.html

only thing i can say is, all universes in marvel are infinite. so again, nothing there leads me to believe his universe was >> those of the mainstream creation.

---

here's the whole scan:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893026/sw.jpg.html



---

yes, i know the beyond realm itself was larger, but i've yet to see anything that indicates the universe beyonder spewed, 'filled' the beyond realm itself.


other then that, nothing he's done compares to what mxy's done. imo.

Knowsbleed33
What's Mxy done in a canon story that compares? I know you think Worlds Funnest is canon, but that doesn't make it true.

Galan007
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What's Mxy done in a canon story that compares? I know you think Worlds Funnest is canon, but that doesn't make it true. i've given MORE than enough evidence as to why 'WF' is canon. and so far, all other people have tried to discredit this evidence with is their personal opinion. srsly

Knowsbleed33
Those are great feats.

I'll humor you and let you use WF. How is that more impressive than what the Beyonder has done?

Galan007
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
How is that more impressive than what the Beyonder has done? destroyed an infinite number of universes/restored them all with a snap, owned spectre numerous times, retconned on a whim, etc, etc.

Knowsbleed33
Great. Try this on and tell me how it fits. Thanos with the power of God couldn't kill Death or Atleza doing the same thing Mxy did in WF. Beyonder easily summoned Death and then killed her.

Beyonder also destroyed countless universes from over-thinking, he caused enormous damage across the "infinite" multiverse from having a temper tantrum.

"Meh" to Mxy says I.

Galan007
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Great. Try this on and tell me how it fits. Thanos with the power of God couldn't kill Death or Atleza doing the same thing Mxy did in WF. Beyonder easily summoned Death and then killed her.
death is FAR inferior to the likes of LT/eternity/infinity -

so i don't get your point..

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Beyonder also destroyed countless universes from over-thinking, scans? smile

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
he caused enormous damage across the "infinite" multiverse from having a temper tantrum.m'kay, well mxy actually destroyed the "infinite" multiverse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
"Meh" to Mxy says I. say what you will. smile

Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by Galan007
death is FAR inferior to the likes of LT/eternity/infinity -

so i don't get your point..

My point is Thanos did the same thing with the power of God and couldn't kill Death, are you going to suggest a weaker power would be able to? Beyonder killed Death without trying.



I was incorrect, it doesn't say "countless" it just says he collapsed dimensions. The point still stands, Beyonder was doing all this without trying.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8239/beyonderthinkingtf2.th.jpg



Same thing what I said above. I read WF and I know that Mxy put forth some effort to do what he did, it wasn't easy. Everything the Beyonder did, he did without effort.



thumb up

Galan007
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
My point is Thanos did the same thing with the power of God and couldn't kill Death, are you going to suggest a weaker power would be able to? Beyonder killed Death without trying. death was only safe because she was outside of creation when thanos absorbed it. if he wanted to kill her off, it would have been so.

unless you think that thanos was in some way incapable of owning death, despite his owning LT. srsly

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I was incorrect, it doesn't say "countless" it just says he collapsed dimensions. The point still stands, Beyonder was doing all this without trying. umm, and?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Same thing what I said above. I read WF and I know that Mxy put forth some effort to do what he did, it wasn't easy. you may want to read it again - as everything mxy did was quite effortless.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Everything the Beyonder did, he did without effort. and he didn't do anything on par with mxy.

Knowsbleed33
It wasn't effortless. He had a temper tantrum and unleashed a huge display of power erasing everything.

Galan007
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It wasn't effortless. He had a temper tantrum and unleashed a huge display of power erasing everything. it obviously didn't take too much of his power to destroy, as he recreated it all with a snap.

shokosugi
Galan007 = 5

KnowsBleed = 0

stan5677
mxy solos

Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by shokosugi
Galan007 = 5

KnowsBleed = 0

In the eyes of a DC fanbag.

Mr Master
Leave this to me KB,
I've been waiting for this.
Originally posted by Galan007

m'kay, but how exactly are we gathering that the universe beyonder created was larger than the mainstream marvel universe?
no expression
Originally posted by Galan007

however, i think it's wrong to assume his universe 'filled' the beyond realm,

as it was never stated so.
False .. and facepalm
Originally posted by Galan007


You're not hiding anything,
but you sure are misinterpreting the scans,
and leaving out other material from the arc that elaborates on
the facts concerning Beyonder/Beyond Realm.
Originally posted by Galan007

yes, i know the beyond realm itself was larger
Aren't you fallaciously attempting to prove
that "nothing" suggests the Beyond Realm >>> Infinite Multiverse,
with the scans you're posting?

Now you "know" it was larger?

Which is it?
Originally posted by Galan007

i've yet to see anything that indicates the universe beyonder spewed,

'filled' the beyond realm itself.
The Universe Beyonder spewed was the Beyond Realm so thumb down to your fallacy.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9851/beyondspaceandtimefk9.th.jpg

"Guess I'll just disincorporate, EXPAND to FILL
or actually to become the ol' Beyond Realm again"

Originally posted by Galan007

other then that, nothing he's done compares to what mxy's done. imo.

Other than anything, nothin Mxy has done
compares with what Beyonder's done, imo.

See, easy to just write opinions away.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

destroyed an infinite number of universes/restored them all with a snap
Beyonder created a Universe that compared to an "infinite amount of Universes,"
was like comparing an ocean to a droplet of water.

Mxy is an insect next to Beyonder if this is all you got.
Originally posted by Galan007

owned spectre numerous times
Beyonder made the Living Tribunal tremble with fear. smile

Beyonder (while limiting himself)
defeated in two panels a being (Owne Reece)
who was more powerful than the Multiverse combined. (including the LT)
Originally posted by Galan007

retconned on a whim etc, etc.
Beyonder retconned Hulk's destiny,
gave Rachel Summers a choice of 5 different destinies,
ect, ect.

================================


Anyway, any further bull shit
concerning Beyonder being the entirety of the Beyond Realm

can be taken up with the writer,
incase Beyonder's words (which are actually the Writer's words - dur aren't enough)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7402/jim2mj1.th.jpg

"Beyonder was from a whole different Multiverse,
where he was everything, and everything was him ...

... in a sense, he was like GOD before Genesis"



*** Yes, yes, also stated On Panel***

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6606/beyondspacetime2pq7.th.jpg


================================

That should shut down the hatin for good.

Xplosive
PR Beyonder solos.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Universe Beyonder spewed was the Beyond Realm so thumb down to your fallacy.

"Guess I'll just disincorporate, EXPAND to FILL
or actually to become the ol' Beyond Realm again" i figured you'd post that scan. regardless, i think it's sketchy at best to assume this single comment would have a bearing on what was accomplished in the final issue.

i just don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder created a Universe that compared to an "infinite amount of Universes,"
was like comparing an ocean to a droplet of water.

Mxy is an insect next to Beyonder if this is all you got. that, of course, is IF you think the above was a literal statement, and not hyperbole. this aside, how exactly is that a battle feat?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder made the Living Tribunal tremble with fear. smile and mxy has made a manifestation of the writer "tremble". is that a feat now?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder retconned Hulk's destiny,
gave Rachel Summers a choice of 5 different destinies,
ect, ect. that's cool and all, but i'm talking about completely retconning characters from existence... not just changing their destiny.

Originally posted by Mr Master
can be taken up with the writer,
incase Beyonder's words (which are actually the Writer's words - dur aren't enough)

"Beyonder was from a whole different Multiverse,
where he was everything, and everything was him ...

... in a sense, he was like GOD before Genesis" again, i am not among those who think statements = feats. should i post articles where carlin is talking about mxy?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

i figured you'd post that scan. regardless, i think it's sketchy at best to assume this single comment would have a bearing on what was accomplished in the final issue.
The only word that stuck out out this paragraph is "regardless"
which basically translates to:

Originally posted by Galan007

i just don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound.
Goodness, do I really have to post like 20 scans that spans ALL the Secret Wars issues,
clearly defining Beyonder as the totality of the Beyond Realm?

Goodness, I posted on panel 2 scans, (clear cut)
and if that wasn't enough,
the freaking Writer himself (Shooter) stating the same shit in an interview.

Lord, how far has your resentment of the Beyonder gone?
Originally posted by Galan007

that, of course, is IF you think the above was a literal statement, and not hyperbole. this aside, how exactly is that a battle feat?
How can it be hyperbole, if Beyonder (On Panel) did in fact create the Beyond Realm,
which was stated to be the size it was?

Were you really expecting Al Milgrom to draw an infinite tape measure as proof?

What the f**k?

On top of this:

How is destroying/recreating something that's like a drop of water,
in comparison with Beyonder that was like an ocean?
Originally posted by Galan007

and mxy has made a manifestation of the writer "tremble". is that a feat now?
Nah, because that's 4th wall garbage.

Beyonder made the second most powerful character in Marvel at the time tremble,
not some silly fictional representation of the writer,
who basically had the artist draw him in a goofy scenario.

That nonsense is so stupid to bring up it's really beyond me the dare of it.

But if you wanna go there:

Shooter claimed that his avatar was part of the droplet of water Beyonder discovered,
so ... erm

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1799763_jim2mj1.jpg

"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"
Originally posted by Galan007

that's cool and all, but i'm talking about completely retconning characters from existence... not just changing their destiny.
Huh? .. Erasing characters from existence?

That's a duck walk for the UN, or CN, or a number of other powers.

Please.
Originally posted by Galan007

again, i am not among those who think statements = feats.
should i post articles where carlin is talking about mxy?
Do whatever,
I'm just adding further weight to what was stated and depicted on panel.

Since evidently the on panel showing aren't enough for ya.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
The only word that stuck out out this paragraph is "regardless"
which basically translates to:

that's not what my word choice was meant to represent, at all. it's okay though, jab where you can, i guess. smile


Originally posted by Mr Master
On top of this:

How is destroying/recreating something that's like a drop of water,
in comparison with Beyonder that was like an ocean? analogies from marvel cannot crossover into dc. it's ridiculous to assume otherwise.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, because that's 4th wall garbage.

Beyonder made the second most powerful character in Marvel at the time tremble,
not some silly fictional representation of the writer,
who basically had the artist draw him in a goofy scenario.

That nonsense is so stupid to bring up it's really beyond me the dare of it. ahh it's all garbage. gotcha. thumb up


Originally posted by Mr Master
Huh? .. Erasing characters from existence?

That's a duck walk for the UN, or CN, or a number of other powers.

Please. character retcons differ greatly from nullification.


i didn't respond to the rest because my opinion on the matter has already been stated. there is no reason to repeat things several times smile

Naija boy
From the scans MM posted, i think its pretty clear that Beyonder DID infact create the entirety of the beyond realm. Im honestly not sure how it could be argued otherwise erm

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