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Hulcan (Hulk and Vulcan amalgam character) vs. Superman

It's basically Hulk with all of Vulcan's powers + intelligence.

Can he defeat Superman?

Hulcan wins

Originally posted by Madvillain
Hulcan (Hulk and Vulcan amalgam character) vs. Superman

It's basically Hulk with all of Vulcan's powers + intelligence.

Can he defeat Superman?

he'd still be at a massive speed disadvantage but it's possible he could win it. not too sure how vulcan's power would help, unless he is able to sense superman's powers stem from the sun, like he sensed the eldest's power source. if he can do that, hulcan wins handily.

Damn it always comes down to speed. Sentry used some speed at WWH still got him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Damn it always comes down to speed. Sentry used some speed at WWH still got him.

true, but supes' speed feats>>sentry's. i just think he COULD use it to possibly win this. i don't think it's 10/10 either way.

he could use vulcans powers to increase hulks powers while draining the light energy around them that he would be able to 1 shot supes

Who does Superman get to merge with, just to make it fair?

Originally posted by thanos-prime
he could use vulcans powers to increase hulks powers while draining the light energy around them that he would be able to 1 shot supes

if he can do that continuously while taking superman's attacks and stopping him from escaping to get access to the sun's rays, sure.

Originally posted by leonidas
true, but supes' speed feats>>sentry's. i just think he COULD use it to possibly win this. i don't think it's 10/10 either way.

Ok but bare in mind WWH was holding back until that point and dealt with it fairly easy, it suggests he could have coped with something much worse.

Originally posted by -Pr-
if he can do that continuously while taking superman's attacks and stopping him from escaping to get access to the sun's rays, sure. i see no reason why he couldent hulk has insane durability while getting angrier from the punches i dont think it takes that long for vulcan to do something like that but not sure

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but bare in mind WWH was holding back until that point and dealt with it fairly easy, it suggests he could have coped with something much worse.

sentry was also looking for a fist fight.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
i see no reason why he couldent hulk has insane durability while getting angrier from the punches i dont think it takes that long for vulcan to do something like that but not sure

can he catch superman if he decides to fly outside the range of vulcan's light bending abilities?

plus, blocking off the sun won't take away superman's powers. it'll just stop him from recharging, and he has days worth of energy inside his body.

Originally posted by roughrider
Who does Superman get to merge with, just to make it fair?

It doesn't work that way. Only Hulk always gets upgrades just so he can fight Supes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
sentry was also looking for a fist fight.



can he catch superman if he decides to fly outside the range of vulcan's light bending abilities?

plus, blocking off the sun won't take away superman's powers. it'll just stop him from recharging, and he has days worth of energy inside his body. yes but supes has to come down sometime and all the while hulcan is just getting stronger.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
yes but supes has to come down sometime and all the while hulcan is just getting stronger.

he can come down once he recharges. doesn't take more than a few seconds.

plus, superman is a smarter fighter than vulcan.

Yeah, Vulcan fights like a douche and not with his head.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he can come down once he recharges. doesn't take more than a few seconds.

plus, superman is a smarter fighter than vulcan. ok lets say hulcan starts bombarding supes with red sun radiation

Originally posted by -Pr-
sentry was also looking for a fist fight.



My point still stands though.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
ok lets say hulcan starts bombarding supes with red sun radiation

how would he know to do that?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
My point still stands though.

why? superman is much faster than sentry. sentry didn't use all of his speed against hulk. its a completely different scenario.

Supes >> Sentry.

Originally posted by -Pr-
how would he know to do that?



why? superman is much faster than sentry. sentry didn't use all of his speed against hulk. its a completely different scenario. Well im not saying he would but its a scenario

Messing with Supes powers via sapping the energy from supes and hitting him with redsun rad and at the same time feeding into hulks powers FTW

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Well im not saying he would but its a scenario

how? the only people who know superman is weak against red sun are people who've fought him or who have studied him. it's not common knowledge.

Originally posted by -Pr-
how? the only people who know superman is weak against red sun are people who've fought him or who have studied him. it's not common knowledge. would supes be aware of his yellow sun light energy leaving his body?

Originally posted by thanos-prime
would supes be aware of his yellow sun light energy leaving his body?

of course. but there's nothing to stop him recharging himself, as his stores are immense.

Originally posted by -Pr-
of course. but there's nothing to stop him recharging himself, as his stores are immense. i wasn't aware.
i dont think he would need to resort to all that anyway he would beat him physically .

Originally posted by thanos-prime
i wasn't aware.
i dont think he would need to resort to all that anyway he would beat him physically .

howso?

Originally posted by -Pr-
howso? By amping himself to a state that supes cant mess with.

And there is no way of knowing to how fast hulcan can sap supes he could sap him so fast he couldent fly anymore or so slow it wouldent matter

Vulcan is slow compared to Supes.


Supes beats the crap outta this silly upgraded Hulk.


Too bad Glads beat the hell outta Vulcan with his upgrads and Vulcan has 0 feats to put on on the same level as Supes.

BTW, when has Vulcan showed the ability to map himself in strength?

Originally posted by thanos-prime
By amping himself to a state that supes cant mess with.

And there is no way of knowing to how fast hulcan can sap supes he could sap him so fast he couldent fly anymore or so slow it wouldent matter

are you sure vulcan can amp hulk beyond the capacity for superman to match him?

Originally posted by -Pr-

why? superman is much faster than sentry. sentry didn't use all of his speed against hulk. its a completely different scenario.

Well Superman isnt faster he just has more speed feats. Sentry hasnt been around long enough but has comparable feats.

You dont know wether Sentry didnt use all his speed, also you dont always know wether Superman was using all his speed either. At a certain point in the fight he allowed Hulk to hit him but that doesnt apply to every part of the fight.

Originally posted by -Pr-
are you sure vulcan can amp hulk beyond the capacity for superman to match him? Can never be entirely sure but i know vulcans power set and it could be possible Dont know how much radiation amping his body can handle.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well Superman isnt faster he just has more speed feats. Sentry hasnt been around long enough but has comparable feats.

You dont know wether Sentry didnt use all his speed, also you dont always know wether Superman was using all his speed either. At a certain point in the fight he allowed Hulk to hit him but that doesnt apply to every part of the fight.

proof that sentry is as fast as superman?

sentry said himself that he was looking for a fight. he made little or no attempt to blitz hulk.

superman has shown to use his speed in fights when it matters. he doesn't get mad to the point that he can't control himself or fight cleverly.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Can never be entirely sure but i know vulcans power set and it could be possible

it is possible, sure, but i just think you have to consider hulk's starting strength, and how fast he'd have to amp himself to get to that level before the fight ended.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Can never be entirely sure but i know vulcans power set and it could be possible

If it didnt happen panel then dont speculate.

Originally posted by -Pr-
sentry was also looking for a fist fight.



can he catch superman if he decides to fly outside the range of vulcan's light bending abilities?

plus, blocking off the sun won't take away superman's powers. it'll just stop him from recharging, and he has days worth of energy inside his body.

Sentry was hitting hulk with loads of energy, it just had no affect. You must forgot that huge circle of energy that was going around Sentry's body, you know, the energy everyone was blocking and running from.

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry was hitting hulk with loads of energy, it just had no affect. You must forgot that huge circle of energy that was going around Sentry's body, you know, the energy everyone was blocking and running from.

superman doesn't hit people with energy unless it's heat vision, and even then it's very different.

Originally posted by The Nuul
If it didnt happen panel then dont speculate. It is vulcans power he has control over energy lasy time i checked radiation is a type of energy

Originally posted by -Pr-
proof that sentry is as fast as superman?

sentry said himself that he was looking for a fight. he made little or no attempt to blitz hulk.

superman has shown to use his speed in fights when it matters. he doesn't get mad to the point that he can't control himself or fight cleverly.



it is possible, sure, but i just think you have to consider hulk's starting strength, and how fast he'd have to amp himself to get to that level before the fight ended. Yes but at base lvl hulk has fought heavy hitters before

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Yes but at base lvl hulk has fought heavy hitters before

true, but like hulk, superman's strength is dynamic. it might not have the same upper limit, but he tends to reach higher levels of strength faster than most.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well Superman isnt faster he just has more speed feats. Sentry hasnt been around long enough but has comparable feats.

You dont know wether Sentry didnt use all his speed, also you dont always know wether Superman was using all his speed either. At a certain point in the fight he allowed Hulk to hit him but that doesnt apply to every part of the fight.


Like what feats that Sentry has that is comparable?


Supes has more and better speed feats on panel.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Vulcan is slow compared to Supes.


Supes beats the crap outta this silly upgraded Hulk.


Too bad Glads beat the hell outta Vulcan with his upgrads and Vulcan has 0 feats to put on on the same level as Supes.

BTW, when has Vulcan showed the ability to map himself in strength?

To bad comparable people to hulk has stomped supes and the only reason I would give supes a majority over hulk is due to bfring, without it, hulk stomps him (depending on which hulk, savage wins 4/10, mindless 8 or 9/10, wwh 7/8 out of 10, War completely stomps him 9/10, world breaker hulk, none fight, supes get one shotted every damn time).

Originally posted by -Pr-
true, but like hulk, superman's strength is dynamic. it might not have the same upper limit, but he tends to reach higher levels of strength faster than most. Yes but supes is a boy scout he wont go for the kill right away and that will lead to his downfall

Originally posted by thanos-prime
It is vulcans power he has control over energy lasy time i checked radiation is a type of energy

But when did he use his power on panel to amp himself? If you don't know, then don't speculate that he can just because he has the power to do so.

Originally posted by The Nuul
But when did he use his power on panel to amp himself? If you don't know, then don't speculate that he can just because he has the power to do so. This is hulkin not vulcan vs supes he uses radiation to amp hulks power and duribility

Originally posted by -Pr-
superman doesn't hit people with energy unless it's heat vision, and even then it's very different.

You said it was nothing but a fist fight and Sentry also has heat vision and its no telling how hot that energy was that sentry was hitting hulk with but we know that it was melting everything around him and reed saying that everything would be destroyed if the fight continued.

Supes heat vision and ice breath is meaningless to someone like the hulk, someone who heals instantly. It would come down to a fist fight.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
This is hulkin not vulcan vs supes

But Vulcan is not helping Hulk amp his strength.

Originally posted by carver9
To bad comparable people to hulk has stomped supes and the only reason I would give supes a majority over hulk is due to bfring, without it, hulk stomps him (depending on which hulk, savage wins 4/10, mindless 8 or 9/10, wwh 7/8 out of 10, War completely stomps him 9/10, world breaker hulk, none fight, supes get one shotted every damn time).

dur

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Yes but supes is a boy scout he wont go for the kill right away and that will lead to his downfall

why? he can take a beating if he needs to. he does so in most of his fights while he susses out his enemy. eventually, he'd going to realise "hulk is strong enough to match me" and start using his other powers.

its within his character to fight intelligently.

Originally posted by -Pr-
proof that sentry is as fast as superman?

sentry said himself that he was looking for a fight. he made little or no attempt to blitz hulk.

superman has shown to use his speed in fights when it matters. he doesn't get mad to the point that he can't control himself or fight cleverly.



it is possible, sure, but i just think you have to consider hulk's starting strength, and how fast he'd have to amp himself to get to that level before the fight ended.

Sentry is just as fast as supes but answer this for me rauol, when supes and zod fought, do you think they were fighting at super speed. I'm referring to the fight in "man of tomorrow".

Originally posted by -Pr-
dur



why? he can take a beating if he needs to. he does so in most of his fights while he susses out his enemy. eventually, he'd going to realise "hulk is strong enough to match me" and start using his other powers.

its within his character to fight intelligently. Yes but it is not within his character to kill and as there fight progresses hulk is getting stronger if supes dosent kill him when the fight begins he will lose

Originally posted by -Pr-
dur



why? he can take a beating if he needs to. he does so in most of his fights while he susses out his enemy. eventually, he'd going to realise "hulk is strong enough to match me" and start using his other powers.

its within his character to fight intelligently.

LOL, can you stop that and disregard that post and answer the other ones

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Yes but it is not within his character to kill and as there fight progresses hulk is getting stronger if supes dosent kill him when the fight begins he will lose

a ko counts as a win.

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry is just as fast as supes but answer this for me rauol, when supes and zod fought, do you think they were fighting at super speed. I'm referring to the fight in "man of tomorrow".

proof?

do you mean in "for tomorrow" in the phantom zone?

Originally posted by The Nuul
But Vulcan is not helping Hulk amp his strength. It is not vulcan teamed with hulk they are fused together.

Originally posted by -Pr-
a ko counts as a win.



proof?

do you mean in "for tomorrow" in the phantom zone?

How about the proof that sentry was in another state and someone was trying to snipe osborn. The bullet was fired and almost hit osborn but Sentry flew all the way there instantly and caught the bullet.

Yes, thats the book that im talking about

Originally posted by carver9
How about the proof that sentry was in another state and someone was trying to snipe osborn. The bullet was fired and almost hit osborn but Sentry flew all the way there instantly and caught the bullet.

Yes, thats the book that im talking about

superman has done faster.

i haven't read it in a while, so i honestly can't say. iirc, though, they weren't fighting at super speed. why?

This version of Hulk still gets stomped not as bad as others though.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This version of Hulk still gets stomped not as bad as others though. How does he get stomped?

Originally posted by -Pr-
superman has done faster.

i haven't read it in a while, so i honestly can't say. iirc, though, they weren't fighting at super speed. why?

I know supes has done faster and I think that supes is a tad faster than sentry until other feats proves other wise but supes not faster than him at the levels you're putting him. Sentry have plenty of good showings.

Disregard my zod comment.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This version of Hulk still gets stomped not as bad as others though.

Your hate for hulk is known throughout the forum

Originally posted by carver9
I know supes has done faster and I think that supes is a tad faster than sentry until other feats proves other wise but supes not faster than him at the levels you're putting him. Sentry have plenty of good showings.

Disregard my zod comment.

what's sentry's best feat? going from one state to the next?

superman out right points and laughs at that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
what's sentry's best feat? going from one state to the next?

superman out right points and laughs at that.

LOL, good one; what type of speed feats are you looking for because honestly I dont count space flight since so many people have them?

Are you looking for on the planet feats (which would be something good to use in regards of blitzing, etc.....)?

Originally posted by carver9
Your hate for hulk is known throughout the forum No your hate for Superman is fact

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, good one; what type of speed feats are you looking for because honestly I dont count space flight since so many people have them?

Are you looking for on the planet feats (which would be something good to use in regards of blitzing, etc.....)?

not counting space flight is a cop out, first of all. its a valid gauge.

and yes, on planet feats.

Originally posted by -Pr-
not counting space flight is a cop out, first of all. its a valid gauge.

and yes, on planet feats. I don't see why your debating this supes is by far the faster one

Originally posted by thanos-prime
I don't see why your debating this supes is by far the faster one

i know this, and you know this, but...

Originally posted by -Pr-
i know this, and you know this, but... But they don't know this

Originally posted by -Pr-
not counting space flight is a cop out, first of all. its a valid gauge.

and yes, on planet feats.

I told you that supes was faster but I also said that supes isnt leagues faster than Sentry. Our debate is pointless unless you truly think that supes is far above sentry in the speed dept bc if thats the case then I disagree.

Originally posted by carver9
I told you that supes was faster but I also said that supes isnt leagues faster than Sentry. Our debate is pointless unless you truly think that supes is far above sentry in the speed dept bc if thats the case then I disagree.

i think he is a fair bit faster. does that make sentry slow? of course not. i just think superman has the better feats by some degree.

Im pretty sure in the near future sentry will do something to end all speed competitors but till then supes is top dog in this debate

Originally posted by -Pr-
what's sentry's best feat? going from one state to the next?

superman out right points and laughs at that.

Forget state....

Earth to sun.

http://img240.imageshack.us/i/ts08021nz0.jpg/
http://img236.imageshack.us/i/ts08022is8.jpg/



Earth to Saturn in seconds
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MightyAvengers14-018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MightyAvengers14-019.jpg

both scans indicate FTL speed especially the 2nd lot.

I'll respond to the rest of your post later im kinda busy now (try not to get too excited).

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Forget state....

Earth to sun.

http://img240.imageshack.us/i/ts08021nz0.jpg/
http://img236.imageshack.us/i/ts08022is8.jpg/



Earth to Saturn in seconds
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MightyAvengers14-018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MightyAvengers14-019.jpg

both scans indicate FTL speed especially the 2nd lot.

I'll respond to the rest of your post later im kinda busy now (try not to get too excited).



superman has gone faster, though those are nice feats. kudos.

lol @ sentry's face in the second bunch of scans.

pr--there's a scene where superman fights mongul on earth i think, where mongul is throwing punches and superman is dodging them effortlessly. i can't recall where it happened. i THINK it was in the arc where superman battled manchester black the second time, but i'm not positive. i've seen the scans and THINK i even have the book, but i can't remeber WHERE, exactly it happened. do you know what i'm talking about?

anyway, THOSE are the types of speed feats that i think could be used to help him win this. if vulcan's powers can be used intelligently, and he can perceive that solar energy empowers superman and then forcibly DRAINS his cells, he would win this, but it took vulcan a while to figure out the eldest's powersource.

superman only needs to get in, blast his HV through hulk's eyes and issue a HV lobotomy (cable/storm did something similar to hulk and ALMOST killed him). hulk isn't healing from that and the battle is over. no BFR required.

Originally posted by leonidas
pr--there's a scene where superman fights mongul on earth i think, where mongul is throwing punches and superman is dodging them effortlessly. i can't recall where it happened. i THINK it was in the arc where superman battled manchester black the second time, but i'm not positive. i've seen the scans and THINK i even have the book, but i can't remeber WHERE, exactly it happened. do you know what i'm talking about?

anyway, THOSE are the types of speed feats that i think could be used to help him win this. if vulcan's powers can be used intelligently, and he can perceive that solar energy empowers superman and then forcibly DRAINS his cells, he would win this, but it took vulcan a while to figure out the eldest's powersource.

superman only needs to get in, blast his HV through hulk's eyes and issue a HV lobotomy (cable/storm did something similar to hulk and ALMOST killed him). hulk isn't healing from that and the battle is over. no BFR required. When Mongul was training Superman for Imperiex.

Originally posted by Juntai
When Mongul was training Superman for Imperiex.

yeah--THAT's the one! i don't have that book--must have just seen the scan. have you got the scan, by chance?

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah--THAT's the one! i don't have that book--must have just seen the scan. have you got the scan, by chance?

i does, one min.

from Superman 152:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-5.jpg

there's a later fight where he takes on Mongul and Mongal at the same time, but i think this is the one you wanted.

Originally posted by leonidas
pr--there's a scene where superman fights mongul on earth i think, where mongul is throwing punches and superman is dodging them effortlessly. i can't recall where it happened. i THINK it was in the arc where superman battled manchester black the second time, but i'm not positive. i've seen the scans and THINK i even have the book, but i can't remeber WHERE, exactly it happened. do you know what i'm talking about?

anyway, THOSE are the types of speed feats that i think could be used to help him win this. if vulcan's powers can be used intelligently, and he can perceive that solar energy empowers superman and then forcibly DRAINS his cells, he would win this, but it took vulcan a while to figure out the eldest's powersource.

superman only needs to get in, blast his HV through hulk's eyes and issue a HV lobotomy (cable/storm did something similar to hulk and ALMOST killed him). hulk isn't healing from that and the battle is over. no BFR required.

Except, with Vulcan's powers, he can prevent the HV from ever hitting him.

Originally posted by iceman24567
No your hate for Superman is fact

I bet Glads can stomp this Hulcan....

Originally posted by -Pr-
i does, one min.

from Superman 152:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_sup152-5.jpg

there's a later fight where he takes on Mongul and Mongal at the same time, but i think this is the one you wanted.

nope, that's not the one. i'm talking about the one juntai was talking about. they were on earth, mongul was throwing punches and superman was dancing around them easily. jun likely knows the issue. superman 151 or 152 maybe?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Except, with Vulcan's powers, he can prevent the HV from ever hitting him.

that's where the speed issue comes in. it is entirely possible that supes moves too fast for this amalgam to react to. he could lobotomize hulcan before hulcan can defend himself.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Which of course led to stuff like this;
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
nope, that's not the one. i'm talking about the one juntai was talking about. they were on earth, mongul was throwing punches and superman was dancing around them easily. jun likely knows the issue. superman 151 or 152 maybe?

hmm

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

oh THOSE ones. my bad. i love how he pwned bizarro just before that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
hmm



oh THOSE ones. my bad.



and they say YOU'RE the superman expert around here . . . heh

gracias, jun. at least SOMEONE knows their superman around here.

Originally posted by leonidas


and they say YOU'RE the superman expert around here . . . heh


Nah, that's cav9 claiming hes the Supes expert!

Originally posted by leonidas


and they say YOU'RE the superman expert around here . . . heh

gracias, jun. at least SOMEONE knows their superman around here.

hey, your question wasn't exactly precise.

besides, the ones jun posted weren't from when he was being trained to fight imperiex, they were from ending battle, so i was misled.

so there.

also, who says that? tis news to me.

Originally posted by -Pr-
hey, your question wasn't exactly precise.

besides, the ones jun posted weren't from when he was being trained to fight imperiex, they were from ending battle, so i was misled.

so there.

i don't want excuses, mister, i want answers!

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't want excuses, mister, i want answers!



i edited. uhuh

It's OK -Pr-, I still you.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's OK -Pr-, I still you.

inlove

just teasing. i love you BOTH.

Originally posted by leonidas










































just teasing. i love you BOTH.

i keep expecting eny to show up and say something inappropriate...

Originally posted by -Pr-


superman has gone faster, though those are nice feats. kudos.

lol @ sentry's face in the second bunch of scans.

To be fair the amount of showings that Superman has vastly outnumber Sentry's in an out and out feat war Sentry will lose but will have some comparable feats.



Originally posted by leonidas


superman only needs to get in, blast his HV through hulk's eyes and issue a HV lobotomy (cable/storm did something similar to hulk and ALMOST killed him). hulk isn't healing from that and the battle is over. no BFR required.

That wasnt against WWH and Superman most likely wont use that straight away. Sure hes healing from it.

Anyone see this?

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=1196&page=2

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be fair the amount of showings that Superman has vastly outnumber Sentry's in an out and out feat war Sentry will lose but will have some comparable feats.





That wasnt against WWH and Superman most likely wont use that straight away. Sure hes healing from it.

you think he's healing from a completely vaporized pair of eyes and brain?

a simple lightning strike to his brain comatized him. no chance he heals from a melted brain. it would certainly count as a ko anyway.

Originally posted by leonidas
you think he's healing from a completely vaporized pair of eyes and brain?

His HF applies to his whole body.

Originally posted by leonidas

a simple lightning strike to his brain comatized him. no chance he heals from a melted brain.

As far as I know that was a weaker version of the Hulk.

Originally posted by leonidas

it would certainly count as a ko anyway.

Im not sure if it will actually even vaporise his eyes and brain if hes pissed off enough.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
His HF applies to his whole body.



As far as I know that was a weaker version of the Hulk.



Im not sure if it will actually even vaporise his eyes and brain if hes pissed off enough.

even mindless hulk was taken down by sheer bludgeoning damage. usually i'm the guy DEFENDING hulk, but there's no way i see him healing THAT fast, when it's never ever been shown on panel.

Originally posted by leonidas
even mindless hulk was taken down by sheer bludgeoning damage.


Right was that after kicking Doc Samsons arse, Namors, Hercules, Wonder Mans and Iron Man and then eventually being brought down by the combined afforts of the East Coast and West Coast Avengers?


Originally posted by leonidas
usually i'm the guy DEFENDING hulk, but there's no way i see him healing THAT fast, when it's never ever been shown on panel.

What getting shot through the brain by Superman, of course it hasnt but Grey Hulk has healed so fast from Wolverines claws that Wolverine thought his claws were bouncing off him.

Why are you assuming hes going to use that form of attack?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Right was that after kicking Doc Samsons arse, Namors, Hercules, Wonder Mans and Iron Man and then eventually being brought down by the combined afforts of the East Coast and West Coast Avengers?

yeah, but it goes to show there is a limit to his healing.



healing from a gash in your skin vs having your brain literally disintegrated? c'mon . . . he's never shown the level of healing YOU'RE talking about on panel.

and i never assumed he would use that attack. i said it was an option hulcan couldn't defend when coupled with supes's speed. it's also an attack he HAS used in the past and so is a viable option. fact is the best healing fear i know of for hulk was his regeneration feat vs thanos (having his own hands heal inside him fighting speedfreak was another good one) but literally having his brain and eyes melted (if he COULD regenerate from that) would take him some time and at LEAST count as a ko.

Originally posted by leonidas
even mindless hulk was taken down by sheer bludgeoning damage. usually i'm the guy DEFENDING hulk, but there's no way i see him healing THAT fast, when it's never ever been shown on panel. He isn't healing that fast he would at least be koed.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, but it goes to show there is a limit to his healing.



Actually im not even sure if it does because he only lost due to being seperated from Banner and started to get weaker and that version isnt stronger than WWH.


Originally posted by leonidas
healing from a gash in your skin vs having your brain literally disintegrated? c'mon . . . he's never shown the level of healing YOU'RE talking about on panel.

Im not sure if they were just gashes in the skin cos prior to that Grey Hulk was partially impaled. Im just giving you examples of fast healing. Hulks healing is consistent with his strength and cosndiering that WWH was able to redirect Juggernauts movement while holding back shows you how powerful he was. If he goes worldbreaker his HF will be through the roof.

We may not have seen him heal that fast but we havent seen alot of WWh either.

Originally posted by leonidas

and i never assumed he would use that attack. i said it was an option hulcan couldn't defend when coupled with supes's speed. it's also an attack he HAS used in the past and so is a viable option. fact is the best healing fear i know of for hulk was his regeneration feat vs thanos (having his own hands heal inside him fighting speedfreak was another good one) but literally having his brain and eyes melted (if he COULD regenerate from that) would take him some time and at LEAST count as a ko.

I think hes unlikley to use it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually im not even sure if it does because he only lost due to being seperated from Banner and started to get weaker and that version isnt stronger than WWH.




Im not sure if they were just gashes in the skin cos prior to that Grey Hulk was partially impaled. Im just giving you examples of fast healing. Hulks healing is consistent with his strength and cosndiering that WWH was able to redirect Juggernauts movement while holding back shows you how powerful he was. If he goes worldbreaker his HF will be through the roof.

We may not have seen him heal that fast but we havent seen alot of WWh either.



I think hes unlikley to use it.

are we now assuming any hulk CAN go worldbreaker if pushed far enough now? i don't know, i'm just asking.

as far as superman's LIKLIHOOD of using the attack--depends. he's used it so it is in character. if he thinks hulk might survive it he wouldn't be afraid to use it. another thing--if he DOES vaporize his brain, that would likely prevent him from gaining hulk's powers at all. it's hulk's brain that is the emotional center, and hence the center of his power. without a brain, hulk can't access any emotion--obviously--and so by killing his brain, supes would very likely be killing the hulk.

not sure that would be in character or not. it is also possible that superman could simply cauterize the amygdala--he's shown that type of precision in the past.

Originally posted by leonidas
are we now assuming any hulk CAN go worldbreaker if pushed far enough now? i don't know, i'm just asking.

I was under the impression that the current Hulk is WWH. I thought WWH was currently appearing in a title.

Originally posted by leonidas

as far as superman's LIKLIHOOD of using the attack--depends. he's used it so it is in character. if he thinks hulk might survive it he wouldn't be afraid to use it. another thing--if he DOES vaporize his brain, that would likely prevent him from gaining hulk's powers at all. it's hulk's brain that is the emotional center, and hence the center of his power. without a brain, hulk can't access any emotion--obviously--and so by killing his brain, supes would very likely be killing the hulk.

Hulk has had brain injuries before and thats never affected his power. I see what your saying but it probably wouldnt work because the Hulk has been shown to adapt to lots of different attacks which should negeate his powers. Hell if that part of his brain was disintegrated it would probably grow back.


Originally posted by leonidas
not sure that would be in character or not. it is also possible that superman could simply cauterize the amygdala--he's shown that type of precision in the past.

Ok but it doesnt seem to be the norm.

Edit: Heres a weaker version of the Hulk healing from massive injuries almost instantly.

http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/a5375628

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I was under the impression that the current Hulk is WWH. I thought WWH was currently appearing in a title.



Hulk has had brain injuries before and thats never affected his power. I see what your saying but it probably wouldnt work because the Hulk has been shown to adapt to lots of different attacks which should negeate his powers. Hell if that part of his brain was disintegrated it would probably grow back.




Ok but it doesnt seem to be the norm.

Edit: Heres a weaker version of the Hulk healing from massive injuries almost instantly.

http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/a5375628

i've seen that feat--hulk's one of my faves. still, even healing his skin isn't the same thing as healing his brain from what would essentially be nothingness.

i'm not sure whether destroying the emotional center of his brain would prevent him from accessing his powers, but hulk has been calmed before through mental powers, he's been almost killed by a brain injury as well. even if this is wwh, i'm not sure he'd heal--you're talking near INSTANTANEOUS healing--from a disintegrated brain. to the best of my knowledge no one has destroyed the emotional center of his brain, so i concede that it is some speculation, but it does seem to make sense, and if that was destroyed, all hulk's powers--including healing--would end with the attack so obviously regeneration would be impossible.

meh, my point was supes could win this. that was just one option.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I was under the impression that the current Hulk is WWH. I thought WWH was currently appearing in a title.





Nope Savage and Currently depowered.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've seen that feat--hulk's one of my faves. still, even healing his skin isn't the same thing as healing his brain from what would essentially be nothingness.

Hes not just healing his skin theres alot of flesh, the feat was described as being healed from almost a skeleton. In those scans he healed his flesh from nothingness.

Originally posted by leonidas

i'm not sure whether destroying the emotional center of his brain would prevent him from accessing his powers, but hulk has been calmed before through mental powers, he's been almost killed by a brain injury as well.

Ok but hes resisted stuff like that as well.


Originally posted by leonidas
even if this is wwh, i'm not sure he'd heal--you're talking near INSTANTANEOUS healing--from a disintegrated brain.

In the scans provided he healed lots of flesh almost instantly and thats a weaker Hulk.

Originally posted by leonidas

to the best of my knowledge no one has destroyed the emotional center of his brain, so i concede that it is some speculation, but it does seem to make sense, and if that was destroyed, all hulk's powers--including healing--would end with the attack so obviously regeneration would be impossible.

Thing is hes been turned to stone. If your brain has been turned to stone thats technically the same as destroying it. His body adapted and resisted it. At the end of the day the brain is a part of his body and if it gets damaged it will regenerate.

Originally posted by leonidas

meh, my point was supes could win this. that was just one option.

Meh ok.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be fair the amount of showings that Superman has vastly outnumber Sentry's in an out and out feat war Sentry will lose but will have some comparable feats.

when it comes down to quality rather than quantity, superman is still a ways ahead.

Originally posted by -Pr-
when it comes down to quality rather than quantity, superman is still a ways ahead.


You cant seperate the two. Superman has better quality showings because he has loads more showings.

hmm, i'm not sure about that. the only time i remember off-hand that hulk was turned to stone was by dormammu and in that case umar had to free him. i don't THINK grey gargoyle did it, but even in that case he reverts to normal on his own after a set time period. if anything, the fact that dormmy turned him into a statue and hulk was unable to heal from it on his own would support my side of things.

and while it's true hulk has resisted all sorts of mental assaults, this type of attack would be very much different from anything he's really ever come across. is it possible he could regenerate his brain? i'd say yes, but it would take time. i also think it possible--and logical--that the attack would kill him for good.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You cant seperate the two. Superman has better quality showings because he has loads more showings.

no, you can seperate the two. if i show one scan and you show one scan, they're even numbers of scans. trying to blame it on quantity doesn't tend to hold up to scrutiny.

hmm, it seems gargoyle DID at one time turn gray hulk to stone. a couple things about that though--it wasn't emotion that caused banner to change into the gray hulk--it was nightfall. gargoyle also doesn't really 'kill'. like i said he just temporarily changes people. in this case, he changed BANNER to stone and the transformation still happened at nightfall. his healing factor was countering part of the effect though when he became hulk, so, again, meh. some contradictory showings. still really nothing like having his brain disintegrated though.

Originally posted by The Nuul
It doesn't work that way. Only Hulk always gets upgrades just so he can fight Supes.

Guess that bugs the people who think he can solo Supes.

I cant see heat vision stopping wwh, especially since this guy walked through a barrage of adamantium bullets that was going entirely through his body like it was nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant see heat vision stopping wwh, especially since this guy walked through a barrage of adamantium bullets that was going entirely through his body like it was nothing.

Also can't imagine Heat even being a threat to someone who can damn near control all sorts of energy and to be frank... Heat aint that exotic...

Originally posted by roughrider
Guess that bugs the people who think he can solo Supes.

Wouldn't know because I ain't one of them.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Also can't imagine Heat even being a threat to someone who can damn near control all sorts of energy and to be frank... Heat aint that exotic...

he's gotta be able to react to it to control it, and i'd love to see all the speed feats that hulk and vulcan have to support their ability to react to superman-level combat speeds.

Originally posted by leonidas
he's gotta be able to react to it to control it, and i'd love to see all the speed feats that hulk and vulcan have to support their ability to react to superman-level combat speeds.

Using heat and or frost breath in rapid succession could be good except I don't think that Vulcan has to aim or even see the attack coming if he chooses a certain intensity or heat or coldness touching him.

but thats just my thoughts...

I think supes only chance before hulcan depowers supes is to just pummel hulcan right out of the gates and hope his flurry of kicks and punches will kill or ko him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I disagree. Even if you have an even number of feats you are still getting Superman feats from a collection of feats that vastly outnumber Sentry's. Since you have loads more feats to choose from this incraeses your chances of having better ones by a huge amount.

more feats means more low feats too. it balances itself out. just ask any of the anti-superman people on kmc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
more feats means more low feats too. it balances itself out. just ask any of the anti-superman people on kmc.

Its most likely that hes going to have more high-end feats. I recently got more Superman comics and most of his feats are impressive...and there not any different from his appearances in JLA either.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah man Dorrmy is a skyfather level character, that might explain why Dormy succeded and Gargoyle failed ( I'll explain the nightfall thing later). Not only that it sound like he was in his home dimension thus making him more powerful. C'mon man you cant use a feat from a skyfather level character and use it as proof for a herald level character.

meh, maybe. still, stone is stone. not sure why his healing wouldn't work. not like dormmy's stone was special i don't think . . .







that's wwh. this version isn't only current, savage hulk. and not to long ago hulk had to have a piece of shrapnel removed from his head by apocalypse because he couldn't heal from it and it was interferring with his ability to think and his emotions.



the weird thing about gargoyle's attack though--it didn't even prevent BANNER from functioning. he was BANNER--not hulk--when he was changed to stone, and even as banner the change happened. that doesn't say much about the HULK's healing factor, if it was BANNER who changed in the first place. that whole story was . . . odd.

anyway, for your point to be true, we'd need to see a healing feat that would justify it, or need to see him recover from a similarly devastating brain trauma very quickly. we've seen shrapnel in his brain that he could NOT heal from (apoc removed it when he made him WAR), we've seen hulk rendered comatose by a far less potent attack to his brain (storm and cable). we've seen some GREAT healing feats, but nothing that would lead me to believe he could regenerate his brain nearly INSTANTLY. there is also some evidence to suggest that hulk's power (namely emotion) does indeed stem from his brain--he has been calmed multiple times via mental powers.

all those things taken together lead me to conclude that full-force HV (which has power enough to warm PLANETS!) fired through his eyes would certainly end this fight--at least long enough to score a ko for superman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its most likely that hes going to have more high-end feats. I recently got more Superman comics and most of his feats are impressive...and there not any different from his appearances in JLA either.

he has both. more high end, more low end.

he's written to be a fair bit more powerful in his own books than he is in jla. it's always been that way, so yes, there is a difference.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he has both. more high end, more low end.

I'll have to take your word for it, I have seen most of them as high and pretty impressive.

Originally posted by -Pr-

he's written to be a fair bit more powerful in his own books than he is in jla. it's always been that way, so yes, there is a difference.

Well so far it doesnt seem to indicate that at all. Even another poster stated that Superman was the only one that didnt job in the JLA.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I'll have to take your word for it, I have seen most of them as high and pretty impressive.



Well so far it doesnt seem to indicate that at all. Even another poster stated that Superman was the only one that didnt job in the JLA.

what superman comics are you reading? and what JLA are you comparing him to?

Originally posted by -Pr-
what superman comics are you reading?

Various. From 1991-2006.

Originally posted by -Pr-

and what JLA are you comparing him to?

From about 2000-2005

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Various. From 1991-2006.



From about 2000-2005

quite a broad spectrum there. have you read our worlds at war yet, or the rest of the impreriex saga?

Got a question, didnt they say that radiation along along with various forms of heat powered WWH?

Whats to stop the radiation from supes energy adding on to his dynamic abilities?

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question, didnt they say that radiation along along with various forms of heat powered WWH?

Whats to stop the radiation from supes energy adding on to his dynamic abilities?

what do you mean? his hv?

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question, didnt they say that radiation along along with various forms of heat powered WWH?

Whats to stop the radiation from supes energy adding on to his dynamic abilities?

huh? you think his HV will . . . empower hulk? or that just being NEAR superman would empower hulk?

never happened with sentry. ironman's blasts never empowered him. no way his HV would make hulk stronger.

Originally posted by -Pr-
quite a broad spectrum there. have you read our worlds at war yet, or the rest of the impreriex saga?

Nah not yet.. I was thinking of getting OWAW but people slag Leob off. I hate to admit it but hes quite a likeable character alot like Captain America with powers. It was actually the arc Time and Time again that made me like the character more. Hell hes such a nice guy even the dinosaurs liked him, for me that was more important than the power feats.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah not yet.. I was thinking of getting OWAW but people slag Leob off. I hate to admit it but hes quite a likeable character alot like Captain America with powers. It was actually the arc Time and Time again that made me like the character more. Hell hes such a nice guy even the dinosaurs liked him, for me that was more important than the power feats.

glad you're liking it.

the problem with loeb is that he used to be a very, very good writer. then his son died, and his talent seemed to go with it.

our worlds at war is simply one of the best superman stories ever written. the tpb is the size of a small phonebook, but even if you could dl it, its well worth the read.

through most of the 90s, superman is at a pretty standard level. he's good, he's superman, but he's never pushing for high herald status. then towards the end of the 90s and the early 00s, we start to see him getting written at a much higher level. guys like kelly, loeb, casey and chuck austen took over the books, and started writing a superman that was insanely powerful. you'll see it yourself when you get to that stage...

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, maybe. still, stone is stone. not sure why his healing wouldn't work. not like dormmy's stone was special i don't think . . .


Nah man stone aint stone. Thats like saying that Pyro can KO Hulk with flame after seeing Human Torch do it via supernova...you get the point.

Originally posted by leonidas


that's wwh. this version isn't only current, savage hulk. and not to long ago hulk had to have a piece of shrapnel removed from his head by apocalypse because he couldn't heal from it and it was interferring with his ability to think and his emotions.

Well I concede that if its not WWH it wont heal that qucikly however that showing contradicts the fact that his brain should have healed. If the rest of his body heals why wouldnt his brain. HF is for the whole body not just certain parts.


Originally posted by leonidas

the weird thing about gargoyle's attack though--it didn't even prevent BANNER from functioning. he was BANNER--not hulk--when he was changed to stone, and even as banner the change happened. that doesn't say much about the HULK's healing factor, if it was BANNER who changed in the first place. that whole story was . . . odd.

and its been said numerous times that Banner and Hulk are the same. Sorry not sure what your point is though.

Originally posted by leonidas

anyway, for your point to be true, we'd need to see a healing feat that would justify it, or need to see him recover from a similarly devastating brain trauma very quickly. we've seen shrapnel in his brain that he could NOT heal from (apoc removed it when he made him WAR), we've seen hulk rendered comatose by a far less potent attack to his brain (storm and cable). we've seen some GREAT healing feats, but nothing that would lead me to believe he could regenerate his brain nearly INSTANTLY.

Well I have one for WWH not others.

Originally posted by leonidas

there is also some evidence to suggest that hulk's power (namely emotion) does indeed stem from his brain--he has been calmed multiple times via mental powers.

Yeah but we agreed thats different to what were talking about.

Originally posted by leonidas

all those things taken together lead me to conclude that full-force HV (which has power enough to warm PLANETS!) fired through his eyes would certainly end this fight--at least long enough to score a ko for superman.

I concede for other version of the Hulk.