MM vs SS

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Supermutant
Martian Manhunter vs SuperSkrull in a slugfest no mental powers including hypnosis & no prep.

Digi
MM. Stronger, more durable, better energy projection, the whole deal. Some insanely creative use of Sue's powers would be the only way SS would have a chance, and it wouldn't be much of one.

Space M ummy
Originally posted by Digi
MM. Stronger, more durable, better energy projection, the whole deal. Some insanely creative use of Sue's powers would be the only way SS would have a chance, and it wouldn't be much of one.

isn't martian manhunter weak to fire? Superskrull has the abilities of the human torch...?

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Space M ummy
isn't martian manhunter weak to fire? Superskrull has the abilities of the human torch...? in the end MM wuz only vulnrable to magic fire or somethin (unless im mixin up with some1 else)

Space M ummy
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
in the end MM wuz only vulnrable to magic fire or somethin (unless im mixin up with some1 else)

I thought it was "fires of passion" or some other nonsense- meaning fire that's intentionally used offensively against him will work just fine, but he won't lose his powers around lit matches like he used to.

Supermutant
SS has the damage soak of Reed and Thing, plus he is in the 85 ton range and can go supernova. MM died by fire in Final Crisis from Libra.

Space M ummy
Originally posted by Supermutant
SS has the damage soak of Reed and Thing, plus he is in the 85 ton range and can go supernova. MM died by fire in Final Crisis from Libra.

Reed and Thing's damage soak isn't that impressive vs. MM's strength level IMHO, but the abilities of the torch + invisible woman absolutely break this match.

Also, don't forget that Jonn is a hero and would (in normal circumstances) only go for a KO, but the SS is ABSOLUTELY a killer, and will use the most lethal means as soon as he can

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Space M ummy
but the SS is ABSOLUTELY a killer, and will use the most lethal means as soon as he can oh? huh allways seemed 2 me SS didnt have teh stomach for violence (hes aint a warrior like Thor)

Digi
Forgot about the fire stuff. MM is still in a different league. Thing's strength and durability is a joke compared to J'onn. Not to mention that SS won't have an answer to phasing.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Supermutant
SS has the damage soak of Reed and Thing, plus he is in the 85 ton range and can go supernova. MM died by fire in Final Crisis from Libra.

This is a slug fest, strictly h2h.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Reed and Thing's damage soak isn't that impressive

Reed has taken shots from Namor, and Thing has taken shots from Thor and Hulk without being easily put down so SS has great durability.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
This is a slug fest, strictly h2h.

He can still flame on his punches. smokin'

Space M ummy
Originally posted by Digi
Forgot about the fire stuff. MM is still in a different league. Thing's strength and durability is a joke compared to J'onn. Not to mention that SS won't have an answer to phasing.


Thing's strength isn't in jonn's class but I think the durability is. Remember Thing has taken hits from the hulk for years now.

Can jonn phase through the torch's flames and sue's force fields? Can he detect invisible objects with no TP (per the OP?)

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Supermutant
Reed has taken shots from Namor, and Thing has taken shots from Thor and Hulk without being easily put down so SS has great durability.

Thing got three shotted by Juggernaut erm

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Supermutant
He can still flame on his punches. smokin'

Oh so you gimp MM but give SS all of his powers?

-Pr-
Originally posted by Supermutant
SS has the damage soak of Reed and Thing, plus he is in the 85 ton range and can go supernova. MM died by fire in Final Crisis from Libra.

it wasn't just Libra. He took on a bunch of supervillains.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thing got three shotted by Juggernaut erm

A good thing Juggernaut strength > MM

Plus SS has Mr. Fantastic's malleable durability

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Supermutant
A good thing Juggernaut strength > MM

Plus SS has Mr. Fantastic's malleable durability

Can you prove that Cain is stronger than MM?

Supermutant
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Oh so you gimp MM but give SS all of his powers?

No hypnosis for SS. MM still has all of the powers of the F4 anyway plus more. Strength greater than Thing, turn invisible like Sue, stretchy like Reed, Fly & project heat -Torch. Plus with his intangibility and speed he definitely could win.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Supermutant
No hypnosis for SS. MM still has all of the powers of the F4 anyway plus more. Strength greater than Thing, turn invisible like Sue, stretchy like Reed, Fly & project heat -Torch. Plus with his intangibility and speed he definitely could win.

his speed? what speed? he's faster than mm now?

jalek moye
Manhunter wins

Supermutant
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Can you prove that Cain is stronger than MM?

Sure he has stalemate WWHulk in strength. Does MM have an equal feat?

Supermutant
Originally posted by -Pr-
his speed? what speed? he's faster than mm now?

You misread my quote as stated again below I was referring to MM with his intangibility and speed.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Supermutant
You misread my quote as stated again below I was referring to MM with his intangibility and speed.

oh. my bad, sorry.

Master Court
Originally posted by Supermutant
Sure he has stalemate WWHulk in strength. Does MM have an equal feat?


That wasn't actually a test strength, it was another test of Hulk's strength Versus Juggernaut's mystical momentum. That's why Hulk could side-step Juggernaut for BFR. Wouldn't have worked if they were both stationary and just grappling as normal.

ankur29
Originally posted by Supermutant
SS has the damage soak of Reed and Thing, plus he is in the 85 ton range and can go supernova. MM died by fire in Final Crisis from Libra.

85 tons hahaha

J'onn has high end feats suggesting he is able to lift billions of tons,

superskrulls durability is not remotely enough to protect him from MM,
J'onn is much faster ,exceeding escape velocities

he help WW & superman help move earth , he's repeatedly stated as SM's peer (although never written on that level)
SS doesn't have a hope

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