Batman vs Bruce Wayne

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Tattoos N Scars
During the JLA's fight with a mysterious wizard, Batman is sucked into a wormhole, taking him to a parallel universe. Once there, he recognizes the place as Gotham City, but it looks much different...much darker.

It doesn't take Batman long to realize that no law and order exists in this Gotham. The city officials, police, and everyone in authority is corrupt. Crime has taken hold of Gotham and the average citizens lives in fear.

Batman soon finds out who is responsible for this chaos....Bruce Wayne. In this reality, Bruce Wayne became corrupt after his parents death. He eventually joined the military and became the most elite special ops soldier that the U.S. military had ever seen. During this time, he studied and trained in all the various martial arts that Batman had done in his universe. During Bruce's time in the military, he learned to kill...and he became quite efficient at it. The military never knew how power hungry and how viscious Wayne truly was. He fooled every psychological profiler the military had available.

After leaving the military, he returns home to Wayne Manner, and, along with Alfred, began plotting ways to rule Gotham City. He used his money to pay off and bribe city officials..and made sure that only the officials he bribed were elected to public office. He handpicked every police officer in town to uphold his own corrupt vision of law and order.

Bruce Wayne also has his own "Bat Cave" in this universe...with technology just as efficient as Batman's. He is Batman in every way except he wears no mask..and he is not opposed to killing anyone.

Batman wants to bring law and order to this Gotham...in this Universe. Can he stop this Bruce Wayne...and let Gotham's citizens live in peace?

r0nm0n88
i love your threads man. very different, more entertaining.

anyway i say regular batman should win. I feel like hes prob more experienced fighter, since he is solo. In this new batmans world hes been chillen ontop of gotham not fighting to much, letting his corrupt cops do it. Plus no special ops agent could take out batman

Creshosk
Does evil Batman have a goatee and a mustache?

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by Creshosk
Does evil Batman have a goatee and a mustache?


laughing


Sure, why not!!!

BruceSkywalker
Batman against himself... Batman ftw

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Batman against himself... Batman ftw


Technically, no. Batman faces Bruce Wayne who never wore a Batman suit. Bruce only has the same skills, intellect, and technology that Batman has, with the absence of a conscience though...he's not opposed to killing.

Placidity
Probably evil-Wayne cause he is willing to kill.

peejayd
* Bruce Wayne, considering the scenario... smile

chomperx9
how can they fight themselves they would know each and every move they are gonna make

peejayd
Originally posted by chomperx9
how can they fight themselvs they would know each and every move they are gonna make

* more impossible if they cannot hit each other... no expression

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by chomperx9
how can they fight themselves they would know each and every move they are gonna make


Not quite, they aren't psychic....think of it as the same situation as in the Movie...the One...where it was good Jet Li vs bad Jet Li.






I appreciate it man...I just have a wild imagination. I'd love to be able to write for comic books...but, I doubt I could get a job..lol

chomperx9
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Not quite, they aren't psychic....think of it as the same situation as in the Movie...the One...where it was good Jet Li vs bad Jet Li.

yeah but they know eachothers skills and they think the same so each move or attempt would be the same. and they would both think at the same time he knows what im gonna do next and both try to do something else that the other wouldnt but would still end up with the same moves

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by chomperx9
yeah but they know eachothers skills and they think the same so each move or attempt would be the same. and they would both think at the same time he knows what im gonna do next and both try to do something else that the other wouldnt but would still end up with the same moves


As many moves as they would know...trying to figure out the exact move that his opponent would make would be similar to picking the correct combination to win the multi-state powerball lottery.

D_Dude1210
Being the good guy, Batman's jobber aura gives him the win 10/10.

KingD19
Batman/Bruce Wayne wins 10/10

Survivor19
I believe, since not to kill is harder then to kill, Batman will have the edge in skill over his opponent. I give him wins 6-7/10.

Also, can he recruit somebody to help him? like, good Joker or Harvey Dent, hmm?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
During the JLA's fight with a mysterious wizard, Batman is sucked into a wormhole, taking him to a parallel universe. Once there, he recognizes the place as Gotham City, but it looks much different...much darker.

It doesn't take Batman long to realize that no law and order exists in this Gotham. The city officials, police, and everyone in authority is corrupt. Crime has taken hold of Gotham and the average citizens lives in fear.

Batman soon finds out who is responsible for this chaos....Bruce Wayne. In this reality, Bruce Wayne became corrupt after his parents death. He eventually joined the military and became the most elite special ops soldier that the U.S. military had ever seen. During this time, he studied and trained in all the various martial arts that Batman had done in his universe. During Bruce's time in the military, he learned to kill...and he became quite efficient at it. The military never knew how power hungry and how viscious Wayne truly was. He fooled every psychological profiler the military had available.

After leaving the military, he returns home to Wayne Manner, and, along with Alfred, began plotting ways to rule Gotham City. He used his money to pay off and bribe city officials..and made sure that only the officials he bribed were elected to public office. He handpicked every police officer in town to uphold his own corrupt vision of law and order.

Bruce Wayne also has his own "Bat Cave" in this universe...with technology just as efficient as Batman's. He is Batman in every way except he wears no mask..and he is not opposed to killing anyone.

Holy shit. I like this alternate character than the mainstream Bruce Wayne. DC should but this idea, and make a large sized Elseworlds comics with this premises. I would definitely but it and enjoy it.

If Loeb's garbage is published, then shit, you could definitely sell this shtick.

Lord Feron
batman might win... He has the element of Surprise.. and looks and sounds just like the evil head hancho... He could win but only through alot of prep and cleverness.

Juntai
Originally posted by Survivor19
I believe, since not to kill is harder then to kill, Batman will have the edge in skill over his opponent. I give him wins 6-7/10.
This one.

Digi
Bruce-kick just doesn't have the same ring to it.

srug

Hitman911
Originally posted by Creshosk
Does evil Batman have a goatee and a mustache? naw give em the ol' pornstar stache!!

Creshosk
Originally posted by Hitman911
naw give em the ol' pornstar stache!! No, the evil twin has to have the evil twin facial hair.

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/conradnoir/EvilSpock.jpg

Mindset
So when Batman's evil twin becomes Matches Malone does he act good?

r0nm0n88
Originally posted by chomperx9
yeah but they know eachothers skills and they think the same so each move or attempt would be the same. and they would both think at the same time he knows what im gonna do next and both try to do something else that the other wouldnt but would still end up with the same moves

this isnt going to happen lol. if two people actually went to fight and they were the same person the odds of them doing the same moves are very rare. Fighting to these guys isnt like they just punch. They would counter punch, or counter kick. or do combinations. fighting to complicated to have this type of mirror fight effect happen

grimify
You're good Bruce...and I'm bad Bruce. You're a goody little two-shoes.

Creshosk
Originally posted by grimify
You're good Bruce...and I'm bad Bruce. You're a goody little two-shoes. Good, bad. I'm the one with the gun.

grimify
Originally posted by Creshosk
Good, bad. I'm the one with the gun.

thumb up

chomperx9
Originally posted by r0nm0n88
this isnt going to happen lol. if two people actually went to fight and they were the same person the odds of them doing the same moves are very rare. Fighting to these guys isnt like they just punch. They would counter punch, or counter kick. or do combinations. fighting to complicated to have this type of mirror fight effect happen if its the exact same person fighting eachother they have the same skills and talents so they are gonna think the same of what moves and stuff to do

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
Good, bad. I'm the one with the gun. super soakers dont count

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
super soakers dont count Somebody hasn't seen Army of Darkness.

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
if its the exact same person fighting eachother they have the same skills and talents so they are gonna think the same of what moves and stuff to do Not if they have different experiences and personalities.

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by chomperx9
if its the exact same person fighting eachother they have the same skills and talents so they are gonna think the same of what moves and stuff to do


They can't think the same...they are different people from separate universes. One is evil..the other is good. They have the same skill set, sure...but, it doesn't mean they'll be using the same tactics against each other. How many marital arts disciplines does Batman know? A lot right. What if Batman starts out with Aikido, and evil Bruce defends and reacts with Muay Thai...different moves..different reactions.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
Somebody hasn't seen Army of Darkness. no but ive played army of two big grin

batdude123
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
It doesn't take Batman long to realize that no law and order exists in this Gotham. The city officials, police, and everyone in authority is corrupt. Crime has taken hold of Gotham and the average citizens lives in fear.

How is that any different than the Gotham City Batman is used to? haermm

r0nm0n88
Originally posted by chomperx9
if its the exact same person fighting eachother they have the same skills and talents so they are gonna think the same of what moves and stuff to do

lol have you ever been in a fight. They are very technical, esp for these two. They both are great martial artist. So when one throws a left jab, the other isnt ganna think at the same second let me throw a left jab. Thats just not how it would go down. One would throw a left jab as the other blocked or backed maybe. EVEN IF THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON, WITH THE SAME TRAINING THEY ARENT GANNA DO THE SAME MOVES AT THE SAME TIME. One will throw a punch, the other will attempt to counter it. thats how fights work. fights arent predestined, its based on what your opponent does.

chomperx9
Originally posted by r0nm0n88
lol have you ever been in a fight. They are very technical, esp for these two. They both are great martial artist. So when one throws a left jab, the other isnt ganna think at the same second let me throw a left jab. Thats just not how it would go down. One would throw a left jab as the other blocked or backed maybe. EVEN IF THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON, WITH THE SAME TRAINING THEY ARENT GANNA DO THE SAME MOVES AT THE SAME TIME. One will throw a punch, the other will attempt to counter it. thats how fights work. fights arent predestined, its based on what your opponent does. they would do the same moves at the exact same second. yeah if they where different people and one threw a left jab the other would block. but if they threw a left jab it would be exactly right at the same time and if they tried to block they would block eachother at the same time.

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
they would do the same moves at the exact same second. No they wouldn't. their brainwaves aren't synchronized. They've had different experiences and different thought processes. They may as well be two separate people with the same skills.

Originally posted by chomperx9
yeah if they where different people and one threw a left jab the other would block. but if they threw a left jab it would be exactly right at the same time and if they tried to block they would block eachother at the same time. Why the hell would they do that? They have different thought processes, one's good and one's evil. ones fought hard as a good guy, the other one as a bad guy.


There is no reason for them to try and do the same thing at the same time. they think differently.

Why is that so hard to understand?

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
No they wouldn't. their brainwaves aren't synchronized. They've had different experiences and different thought processes. They may as well be two separate people with the same skills.

Why the hell would they do that? They have different thought processes, one's good and one's evil. ones fought hard as a good guy, the other one as a bad guy.


There is no reason for them to try and do the same thing at the same time. they think differently.

Why is that so hard to understand? so bruce wayne and batman are 2 different people sad and ones good ones evil big deal doesnt change the fact of their skills because the personality is different

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
so bruce wayne and batman are 2 different people sad and ones good ones evil big deal doesnt change the fact of their skills because the personality is different People with the same exact skills wouldn't think of the same moves. That's not how fighting works.

They probably wouldn't even have the same favorite moves and styles. The evil one would probably favor a more aggressive style. And the good one a more defensive.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
People with the same exact skills wouldn't think of the same moves. That's not how fighting works.

They probably wouldn't even have the same favorite moves and styles. The evil one would probably favor a more aggressive style. And the good one a more defensive. remember in the justice league episode the justice league met a duplicate of themselves from another dimension ? and the team from the other dimension was a little bit evil compared to the regular justice league. and then batman and batman went at it and they couldnt lay a finger on eachother cause they thought the same.

yeah i know cartoons arent cannon not gonna say batman can take out WW with one punch just cause i saw it in the cartoon for example. dont think that happened anyways

but what i just posted of them fighting eachother and doing the same moves even though their presonality was different is a clue there of what would happen if they fought eachother

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
remember in the justice league episode the justice league met a duplicate of themselves from another dimension ? and the team from the other dimension was a little bit evil compared to the regular justice league. and then batman and batman went at it and they couldnt lay a finger on eachother cause they thought the same.

yeah i know cartoons arent cannon not gonna say batman can take out WW with one punch just cause i saw it in the cartoon for example. dont think that happened anyways That was either the writers or the animators being lazt because they had too much to track.

Originally posted by chomperx9
but what i just posted of them fighting eachother and doing the same moves even though their presonality was different is a clue there of what would happen if they fought eachother Which is BS. That's not how things work. I know its probably a hard concept for you to understand, which is why its surprising you know why your arguments are horribly flawed, but its simply doesn't work that way.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
That was either the writers or the animators being lazt because they had too much to track.

Which is BS. That's not how things work. I know its probably a hard concept for you to understand, which is why its surprising you know why your arguments are horribly flawed, but its simply doesn't work that way. i only see your arguements back up your homeboys so you dont look bad and so they dont start an arguement with you.

back on topic only reason id give it to batman is for his suit and belt against bruce

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
i only see your arguements back up your homeboys so you dont look bad and so they start an arguement with you.Nu uh, buddy boy. You can't prove a negative so you have to prove that it WOULD happen that way since that's what you're claiming.

You make a claim that this is what would happen. You can't say "You have to prove that it wouldn't"

So the burden of proof is on you. and you already yourself discredited the cartoon.

Originally posted by chomperx9
back on topic only reason id give it to batman is for his suit and belt against bruce And the experience I'd say. More agressive styles tend to be more prone to making mistakes as opposed to the defensive ones.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
Nu uh, buddy boy. You can't prove a negative so you have to prove that it WOULD happen that way since that's what you're claiming.

You make a claim that this is what would happen. You can't say "You have to prove that it wouldn't"

So the burden of proof is on you. and you already yourself discredited the cartoon.

And the experience I'd say. More agressive styles tend to be more prone to making mistakes as opposed to the defensive ones. was only making a point of the cartoon of what could happen you didnt make any points or show any proof. you only backed up posts of the same thing that afew others posted. if you want to do that hey thats cool thats your choice no one elses. but i give honest opinions towards things i might agree with someone and i might not but i atleast i explain why.

ok i see your point yeah their fighting skills could be the same and all that but due to their personality their fighting potential could be different. still would be a long ass fight though

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
was only making a point of the cartoon of what could happen you didnt make any points or show any proof. Again, can't prove a negative. An invalid source is not proof. so you have not yet proven your case.

Originally posted by chomperx9
you only backed up posts of the same thing that afew others posted. if you want to do that hey thats cool thats your choice no one elses. but i give honest opinions towards things i might agree with someone and i might not but i atleast i explain why

ok i see your point yeah their fighting skills could be the same and all that but due to their personality their fighting potential could be different. still would be a long ass fight though Yeah it would. As battles between martial arts masters tend to be.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, can't prove a negative. An invalid source is not proof. so you have not yet proven your case.

Yeah it would. As battles between martial arts masters tend to be. what post was an invalid source ?

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by batdude123
How is that any different than the Gotham City Batman is used to? haermm


laughing


This Gotham is a million times worse. Atleast in Batman's Gotham, a few officials actually have morals and try to uphold the law.

jalek moye
Batman wins

he cant lose to an alternate version of him that doesn't go by Batman

Creshosk
Originally posted by chomperx9
what post was an invalid source ? The cartoon. You already pointed out why it was invalid as did I.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Creshosk
The cartoon. You already pointed out why it was invalid as did I. yes admitted that they are not cannon but was trying to make an example of what could happen

Lord Feron
Seriously guys if they got h2h with each other... Bruce is going to go for a eye gouge, rip out his throat or use some kind of weapon. Batman is going to try to take the weapon away from him, punch the guy in the face (not that effective at killing but enough to ko a man), or go for some kind of pressure point attack.

There is a large difference between trying to outright kill opponent and just trying to subdue or KO someone.

PRAYERRUN
I wish somebody thought of this story when Batman the animated series was on. It would have been cool!! Anyway, I say that good triumps again. Batman reveals himself to let Bruce see that they're one and the same, shocking Bruce into looking at what he could have done had he not taken the road he took.

PRAYERRUN
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Seriously guys if they got h2h with each other... Bruce is going to go for a eye gouge, rip out his throat or use some kind of weapon. Batman is going to try to take the weapon away from him, punch the guy in the face (not that effective at killing but enough to ko a man), or go for some kind of pressure point attack.

There is a large difference between trying to outright kill opponent and just trying to subdue or KO someone. Batman does it all the time! I mean the people he fights are always trying to kill him.

rotiart
Invisible woman vs malice... Malice showed that unrestricted there are more things she could do...
Iceman v frost.. When frost took ove bobbys body sge though of uses for his powers in ways he never dreamed

if you have two guys who have the exact same skillset but one holds back and the other doesnt... The one that doesnt hold back will be more likely to win because he could go all out whereas mr goody goody couldnt

evil bruce for the win

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by rotiart
Invisible woman vs malice... Malice showed that unrestricted there are more things she could do...
Iceman v frost.. When frost took ove bobbys body sge though of uses for his powers in ways he never dreamed

if you have two guys who have the exact same skillset but one holds back and the other doesnt... The one that doesnt hold back will be more likely to win because he could go all out whereas mr goody goody couldnt

evil bruce for the win



Also, Bruce has access to, I guess the "Bruce Cave" in this reality. He could readily employ some of his technology against Batman, especially if he knew Batman was a threat. I'm sure Batman would be beating up some thugs in Gotham that would get the attention of Bruce.

However, Batman would know where that "Bruce Cave" is..if he could sneak in there and use some of that tech against Bruce before facing him head to head...would that help Batman?

PRAYERRUN
ok for one, I'm guessing that Bruce doesn't actually know Batman's secret identity, so that gives Batman an edge.

cmack
bruce wayne the killer instinct puts him way over the top, he is deadly efficient and willing to kill, something batman would never do

PRAYERRUN
If Batman shows up in Bruce Wayne's Gotham City, he's not gonna think " ok that's me if I went the other way. " he's just gonna think this guy is just a nussaince, just like any other bad guy. When they do go head to head, it'll be a shock to Bruce's system when Batman removes his mask.

gobstakid777
i would luv to give it to good bats but like cmak said, bruce is more ruthless and willing to kill,and that's what gives him the edge

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