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I've mentioned this in a couple of threads. This would make for an intense fight, Bullseye literally having the potential (in the right conditions) to kill Wolverine faster than anyone. Again, Bullseye has shown himself to be a match for Daredevil who has been shown to be faster, more agile, and often a better fighter than Wolverine. Here are the states-

Wolverine
Name: James Logan (Born James Howlett)
Height: 5'3"
Weight: 300 lbs.
Powers: Healing factor, Enhanced senses, enhanced strength, agility, speed, endurance, stamina durability, resistance to temperature, bone claws, skeleton bonded with adamantium.
Skills: Trained in martial arts, weapons, extremely intelligent.
Weaknesses: Prone to rages which negate his judgment. Carbonadium and the Muramasa blade severely weaken and eventually stop his healing factor. Will die if all organic tissue is destroyed or if head is severed from body and allowed to die or if asphyxiated.
Notable characters defeated or held off: Too many to count.

Bullseye/Hawkeye
Name: Lester (full name unknown)
Height: 6'0
Weight: 210 lbs.
Powers: Most of his skeleton bonded with adamantium. Certain bones completely replaced with it. Others simply reinforced but still capable of breaking. Enhanced strength and endurance. Agility and speed slightly mystically enhanced. Resistance to telepathy. Brief psychic link with Daredevil.
Skills: Perfect aim. Can use anything as a deadly weapon. Can throw objects with blinding force and speed. Extremely intelligent. Trained in the highest order of martial arts and acrobatics.
Weaknesses: Pathological fear due to repeated brain trauma. Protanopia (cannot perceive the color red). Psychopathy, Sadism, and obsessive behavior can occasionally be exploited.
Notable characters defeated or held off: Kingpin, Daredevil, Elektra, Captain America, Crossbones, Black Widow, Deadpool, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Vulture, Sandman, Union Jack, Punisher, Moon Knight, Super Skrulls, Spider-Man, Hammer Head, Black Tarantula.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Again, Bullseye has shown himself to be a match for Daredevil who has been shown to be faster, more agile, and often a better fighter than Wolverine. Uh oh.

My hypothetical battle goes like this-

Bullseye either sneaks up on wolverine from a city block away. He tosses a shard of carbonadium or the muramasa blade either directly into his heart or brainstem (through cartilage) with enough force to rupture the organ. Wolverine drops dead.

also, keep in mind that this is a guy the NSA kept shackled and on a liquid diet out of fear that he would break out of his prison cell and kill cybernetically enhanced guards with his hands shackled, using nothing but his own turds.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Again, Bullseye has shown himself to be a match for Daredevil who has been shown to be faster, more agile, and often a better fighter than Wolverine. Here are the states-

No he hasent, you just made that shit up.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
My hypothetical battle goes like this-

Bullseye either sneaks up on wolverine from a city block away. He tosses a shard of carbonadium or the muramasa blade either directly into his heart or brainstem (through cartilage) with enough force to rupture the organ. Wolverine drops dead.
if wolverine knows bullseye out for him there no way he sneaking up on him period.

carbonadium would not kill wolverine, but of course you know this if you actually have read wolverine comics......

You've been misinformed, Jello. I don't know where to begin.

Wolverine survived decapitation. More than once.

back issues, sir. In fact, Wolverine has actually called in for DD's help because he didn't think he could deal with Bullseye or Typhoid Mary on his own.

Originally posted by Darth Jello

Wolverine

Weaknesses: Prone to rages which negate his judgment. Carbonadium and the Muramasa blade severely weaken and eventually stop his healing factor. Will die if all organic tissue is destroyed or if head is severed from body and allowed to die or if asphyxiated.
Notable characters defeated or held off: Too many to count.


wolverine beserker rages are far from a weakness in a fight. carbonadium does not kill wolverine misconception.

wolverine has has his head cut off, it does not kill him, and can't even be done when he has adamatium.

When has wolverine (the main 616 one) survived decaptiation? and i was under the impression that the radiation from carbonadium when inside logan's body can severely slow down, if not completely stop his healing.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
back issues, sir. In fact, Wolverine has actually called in for DD's help because he didn't think he could deal with Bullseye or Typhoid Mary on his own.
No he dident, DD randomly show up wolverine never called him for either character, hell he beaten typhoid MAry with out the ability to even see.

good lord your misinformed.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
When has wolverine (the main 616 one) survived decaptiation? and i was under the impression that the radiation from carbonadium when inside logan's body can severely slow down, if not completely stop his healing.

Prisoner Zero. You want scans?

I don't believe it can completely stop it. Was it stated somewhere?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
When has wolverine (the main 616 one) survived decaptiation? and i was under the impression that the radiation from carbonadium when inside logan's body can severely slow down, if not completely stop his healing.
During ww2 issue wolverine 32 I believe.


no wolveirne been shot full of carbonadium, it slows his healing but does not kill him. Hell his son who healing factors not as strong has taken one to the head.

I own both issues and don't take it so damn personally. And metal bones or not, they're still linked with cartilage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


I don't believe it can completely stop it. Was it stated somewhere?
No he making it up. Wolverine taken many bullets in the chest from them and daken even taken one in the brain.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
My hypothetical battle goes like this-

Bullseye either sneaks up on wolverine from a city block away. He tosses a shard of carbonadium or the muramasa blade either directly into his heart or brainstem (through cartilage) with enough force to rupture the organ. Wolverine drops dead.

Your logic are flawless, i can't believe i didn't see this all along, it seems so clear now. Bullseye for an utter stomp!

Good Thread pal!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he making it up. Wolverine taken many bullets in the chest from them and daken even taken one in the brain.

I know, I've read those issues.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I own both issues and don't take it so damn personally. And metal bones or not, they're still linked with cartilage.
and in niether does he call for DD help. ANd you obviously dont own the issue. hell wolverine never even fought bullseye before, he tried tracking him down onces and found him but was stop by a bunch of assassins.


No his bones can't be sperated fact. It been tried and failed to ripped him apart several times as well as cut off his head. get your facts right.

How about this hypothetical battle?

Wolverine smells Bullseye from a block away

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1264/mcpch03902.th.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4140/mcpch08507.th.jpg

Since Bullseye is throwing them from a block away, and Wolverine knows where he is, he bats away the shard with his claws

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6256/uxmch21111.th.jpg http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5558/uxmch11014.th.jpg

Then, he disappears, and since Bullseye has no superhuman senses, he can't find him

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4525/uxmch1480607.th.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5874/wolverinev2ch00516.th.jpg

While Bullseye is looking for Wolverine, Logan sneaks up behind him, and puts a claw through his throat

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9471/xforcev3ch0814.th.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7703/xforcev1ch01621.th.jpg

I think that's at least as likely.

Won't Logan and Lester fight in Fraction's craptastic Utopia?

lol and when did carbonadamtium or magical blade shards become standard equiptment for bullseye.

I was just looking at Dark Reign, thinking of possibilities, and dug out an old issue of CA where Bullseye takes out Cap in the dark by throwing a digging spade into his thigh from several stories up at a construction site. And now since he's pretty much going after everyone since he joined the thunderbolts just got me thinking about how entertaining a wolverine fight would be, especially since he's the only other living person left with a metal skeleton.

Originally posted by Ize19
How about this hypothetical battle?

Wolverine smells Bullseye from a block away

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1264/mcpch03902.th.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4140/mcpch08507.th.jpg

Since Bullseye is throwing them from a block away, and Wolverine knows where he is, he bats away the shard with his claws

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6256/uxmch21111.th.jpg http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5558/uxmch11014.th.jpg

Then, he disappears, and since Bullseye has no superhuman senses, he can't find him

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4525/uxmch1480607.th.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5874/wolverinev2ch00516.th.jpg

While Bullseye is looking for Wolverine, Logan sneaks up behind him, and puts a claw through his throat

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9471/xforcev3ch0814.th.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7703/xforcev1ch01621.th.jpg

I think that's at least as likely.
end of thread. good job.

Thanks.

If Lester can take out Wolverine's eyes quickly, then he might have a shot at taking him down. If he's unlucky however Wolverine will be able to simple charge right through any of his attacks for a quick win.

I just find it really funny that your taking it personally and defending a fictional character as if her were family member or something. Cool the fanboyism. The issues I was think of were DD 196 and marvel comics presents 150

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I was just looking at Dark Reign, thinking of possibilities, and dug out an old issue of CA where Bullseye takes out Cap in the dark by throwing a digging spade into his thigh from several stories up at a construction site. And now since he's pretty much going after everyone since he joined the thunderbolts just got me thinking about how entertaining a wolverine fight would be, especially since he's the only other living person left with a metal skeleton.
and capt not wolverine nor are there buildings in the standard setting and they be looking right at one another, nor does he have any of thoses thing mention in his arsenal.


this kinda fails hard........

also what good is metal bones when wolverine superior in every way?

Originally posted by Ize19
How about this hypothetical battle?

Wolverine smells Bullseye from a block away

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1264/mcpch03902.th.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4140/mcpch08507.th.jpg

Since Bullseye is throwing them from a block away, and Wolverine knows where he is, he bats away the shard with his claws

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6256/uxmch21111.th.jpg http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5558/uxmch11014.th.jpg

Then, he disappears, and since Bullseye has no superhuman senses, he can't find him

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4525/uxmch1480607.th.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5874/wolverinev2ch00516.th.jpg

While Bullseye is looking for Wolverine, Logan sneaks up behind him, and puts a claw through his throat

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9471/xforcev3ch0814.th.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7703/xforcev1ch01621.th.jpg

I think that's at least as likely.

Ize, you never cease to amaze me. Great post.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I just find it really funny that your taking it personally and defending a fictional character as if her were family member or something. Cool the fanboyism. The issues I was think of were DD 196 and marvel comics presents 150
neither one does wolverine call for help nor fight bullseye.


only one being a fanboy here is you. I am correcting u, sorry you dont like it, but maybe try not being wrong.

Because he's theoretically capable of killing cyborgs with his own turds.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If Lester can take out Wolverine's eyes quickly, then he might have a shot at taking him down. If he's unlucky however Wolverine will be able to simple charge right through any of his attacks for a quick win.
thats very unlikly, not to mention he heal the eyes in seconds lol, nor does he really need them to fight.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Because he's theoretically capable of killing cyborgs with his own turds.
and that matter why? and thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ize, you never cease to amaze me. Great post.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats very unlikly, not to mention he heal the eyes in seconds lol, nor does he really need them to fight.

Took him weeks when Mauvais snacked on his eye. Daken also, clearly needs more than a day to heal his eye, considering that he still had a medical patch hooked up to his eye after Bullseye blew him up. Wolverine might heal something like a shard of glass or a knife quickly, I'll agree to that. But if Lester hits him in the eye with some kind of explosive, that'll take him down.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Won't Logan and Lester fight in Fraction's craptastic Utopia?
dont think so not from what ive seen.

What I object to is your rude condescension. Characters can do whatever they want based on writer and story content. I'm looking for a fun story Do I really have to point out that Bullseye's taken down deadpool on at least one occasion?

They start off 0.5 kilometers from eachother. The battlefield is always open, like an arena unless specified otherwise. So how the hell is Wolverine going to disappear?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Took him weeks when Mauvais snacked on his eye. Daken also, clearly needs more than a day to heal his eye, considering that he still had a medical patch hooked up to his eye after Bullseye blew him up. Wolverine might heal something like a shard of glass or a knife quickly, I'll agree to that. But if Lester hits him in the eye with some kind of explosive, that'll take him down.
when Mauvais ate his eye he dident even have a healing factor at the time.

Daken not wolverine, and daken was blown to bits literrally they were cleaning him off the walls.


No it wouldent, he been stabbed, shot in the eye taken granade from up closes also the shards hit him in the eye and he was fine in seconds.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They start off 0.5 kilometers from eachother. The battlefield is always open, like an arena unless specified otherwise. So how the hell is Wolverine going to disappear?
I think he was responding to the fact whats his face was saying bullseye would ambush him on a building.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
What I object to is your rude condescension. Characters can do whatever they want based on writer and story content. I'm looking for a fun story Do I really have to point out that Bullseye's taken down deadpool on at least one occasion?

and this is a vs forum not lets make up redciulous scenerio's and random give bullseye items and abilities he does not possses.



yea and why would I care that he taken out DP?

I just figure at the very least it would be a longed and dragged out affair. I mean Lester's talented and is gaining a reputation among the heroes and villains of marvel somewhat akin to the Joker. The only characters who've been shown not to be afraid of him are American Eagle, Sabretooth, and Deadpool.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
when Mauvais ate his eye he dident even have a healing factor at the time.

Daken not wolverine, and daken was blown to bits literrally they were cleaning him off the walls.

No it wouldent, he been stabbed, shot in the eye taken granade from up closes also the shards hit him in the eye and he was fine in seconds.

What does it matter if Wolverine had his healing factor or not at the time? It was returned to him as soon as Weapon X was involved. And they also wanted to MONITOR his eye growing back, so how could it happen in seconds?

So what if it's Daken? Do you believe that Wolverine heals much faster than him?

Once again, you didn't really read my post did you? When I posted:

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Took him weeks when Mauvais snacked on his eye. Daken also, clearly needs more than a day to heal his eye, considering that he still had a medical patch hooked up to his eye after Bullseye blew him up. Wolverine might heal something like a shard of glass or a knife quickly, I'll agree to that. But if Lester hits him in the eye with some kind of explosive, that'll take him down.

What the **** did you read? What did your mind make this out to be? Because for some reason, after I said "Wolverine would probably heal shards or cuts to his eyes quickly" you need to somehow, state that Wolverine would heal from shards or cuts to his eyes quickly. Do you register anyone's voice but your own and Jinzin's when Wolverine is the topic? Does anything get through at all?

What non-existent abilities am I attributing to Bulls? I see a guy that everyone's afraid of with good reason. Who typically packs weapons in his costume and on his person (including his own teeth). And who managed to hurt sand man in his sand form by standing back and leisurely flicking pebbles at him. Not to mention that he's the only person that ever got Juggernaut to say "OH GOD!!! PROTECT YOUR EYES!!!"

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
So what if it's Daken? Do you believe that Wolverine heals much faster than him?

Akihiro needs more feats. He's much younger than Logan, his HF may have not developed as well.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What does it matter if Wolverine had his healing factor or not at the time? It was returned to him as soon as Weapon X was involved. And they also wanted to MONITOR his eye growing back, so how could it happen in seconds?

It makes a huge differences, when it returned to him it took a long time to get back to peak levels.

wolverine has healed eye damage in seconds fact.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
So what if it's Daken? Do you believe that Wolverine heals much faster than him?

for starters daken dident just have eye damage he was blown to bits. and yes wolverine is faster and yes it seems to be by a solid amount.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Once again, you didn't really read my post did you? When I posted:



What the **** did you read? What did your mind make this out to be? Because for some reason, after I said "Wolverine would probably heal shards or cuts to his eyes quickly" you need to somehow, state that Wolverine would heal from shards or cuts to his eyes quickly. Do you register anyone's voice but your own and Jinzin's when Wolverine is the topic? Does anything get through at all?
I read what you said and it would not work reguardless. Blowing up his eye would not put him down and it heal in seconds, this is the same man who regrow an entire heart in under a minut, also the same man who had it ripped out and was still fighting, also the same man who ahd it cut in ahft in a weaken state and still fighting, yet eye blowing up will put him down......please

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It makes a huge differences, when it returned to him it took a long time to get back to peak levels.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Iwolverine has healed eye damage in seconds fact.

And? Is your mind incapable of differentiating between healing damage and regrowing a new eye?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I read what you said and it would not work reguardless. Blowing up his eye would not put him down and it heal in seconds, this is the same man who regrow an entire heart in under a minut.

Because the time he lost an eye, it only took weeks to regrow it.

Hasn't his healing factor been greatly reduced since his last battle with Lazaer? Also, does it really make for good story telling to make Wolverine so powerful and godlike that nothing presents a challenge to him (other than Gavin Hood)?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
What non-existent abilities am I attributing to Bulls? I see a guy that everyone's afraid of with good reason. Who typically packs weapons in his costume and on his person (including his own teeth). And who managed to hurt sand man in his sand form by standing back and leisurely flicking pebbles at him. Not to mention that he's the only person that ever got Juggernaut to say "OH GOD!!! PROTECT YOUR EYES!!!"
like say enahnced phsycial stats which he does not posses, never onces been stated or even implied.

bullseye has never shown to carry any of the item you brought up period.


yea hurting sand makes senses.........

when did juggernaut say that (which si clearly pis, if it even happen at all) what was the issue number?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Took him weeks when Mauvais snacked on his eye. Daken also, clearly needs more than a day to heal his eye, considering that he still had a medical patch hooked up to his eye after Bullseye blew him up. Wolverine might heal something like a shard of glass or a knife quickly, I'll agree to that. But if Lester hits him in the eye with some kind of explosive, that'll take him down.

Wolverine regrows an eye within panels:

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7042/wolverinev1ch06509.th.jpg http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4311/wolverinev1ch06510.th.jpg http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6501/wolverinev1ch06513.th.jpg

All of Wolverine's organs are harvested, he's regrown them all before the people who took them have gone home:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9427/wolverinecs08.th.jpg http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1668/wolverinecs09.th.jpg http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6820/wolverinecs10.th.jpg

Shingen cuts out Wolverine's eye, by the next page, it's already back:

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6353/wolverinev2ch06109.th.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9968/wolverinev2ch06111.th.jpg

Originally posted by Ize19
Wolverine regrows an eye within panels:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6501/wolverinev1ch06513.th.jpg http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7042/wolverinev1ch06509.th.jpg http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4311/wolverinev1ch06510.th.jpg

All of Wolverine's organs are harvested, he's regrown them all before the people who took them have gone home:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9427/wolverinecs08.th.jpg http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1668/wolverinecs09.th.jpg http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6820/wolverinecs10.th.jpg

Shingen cuts out Wolverine's eye, by the next page, it's already back:

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6353/wolverinev2ch06109.th.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9968/wolverinev2ch06111.th.jpg
thanks for saving me the trouble

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They start off 0.5 kilometers from eachother. The battlefield is always open, like an arena unless specified otherwise. So how the hell is Wolverine going to disappear?

Thread starter stated in his hypothetical that Bullseye snuck up on Wolverine from a city block away. From that, I took that they were in a city environment.

Originally posted by Ize19
Wolverine regrows an eye within panels:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6501/wolverinev1ch06513.th.jpg http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7042/wolverinev1ch06509.th.jpg http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4311/wolverinev1ch06510.th.jpg

All of Wolverine's organs are harvested, he's regrown them all before the people who took them have gone home:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9427/wolverinecs08.th.jpg http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1668/wolverinecs09.th.jpg http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6820/wolverinecs10.th.jpg

Shingen cuts out Wolverine's eye, by the next page, it's already back:

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6353/wolverinev2ch06109.th.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9968/wolverinev2ch06111.th.jpg

- You say regrow, but Wolverine says he had to put his eye back in place.

- Okay...

- I only see his eye getting cut, not cut out. Nor is it healed/grown back, seeing as it's still a bloody mess in the second scan

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- You say regrow, but Wolverine says he had to put his eye back in place.

- Okay...

- I only see his eye getting cut, not cut out. Nor is it healed/grown back, seeing as it's still a bloody mess in the second scan

-Notice the first panel on page 13: "SPLOOT!" That's the sound effect of his eye growing back. On page 10 you can see the empty eye socket.

-If he can regrow all his organs, what makes you think he can't regrow an eyeball?

- It has healed, as seen by the bottom panel of the second scan. There's still blood there, but it's just leftover blood, you can clearly see the whole eye.

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Logan heal his entire eye in a few seconds long with the muscle of his face, and he not even a peak form when this occurs.

The issue I was thinking of was either Identity Disc 2 or 3. And actually, Bullseye's strength is reinforced by his adamantium skeleton and his strength, speed and agility were given slight boosts via mysticism when Darkwind healed his spine waaaay back in DD 197 or 198. You know, I would say jumping out of a fourth story window through the roof of a car and being relatively unhurt is a superhuman feat.

As for the stuff he typically has on him (at least in his Bullseye costume)-
Marbles, playing cards, Sai, at least one hand gun, his dental implants, his natural teeth, his costume (which is reinforced with kevlar), kunai daggers, shaken/throwing stars, tooth picks, butterfly knives, rope, any fecal matter he can produce, an rocks or pebbles that are beneath his feet, any stray bullets he might have, his pain medication (for possible residual pain from his brain tumor), any bullets he may have, his belt, his holster, host boots, his gloves...etc.

Like I said, ANYTHING in his hands is a deadly weapon.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
The issue I was thinking of was either Identity Disc 2 or 3. And actually, Bullseye's strength is reinforced by his adamantium skeleton and his strength, speed and agility were given slight boosts via mysticism when Darkwind healed his spine waaaay back in DD 197 or 198. You know, I would say jumping out of a fourth story window through the roof of a car and being relatively unhurt is a superhuman feat.

No that was never stated that his physical stats were enhanced, please stop making stuff up. Darkwind did not even have powers, he simply created adamatium.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
As for the stuff he typically has on him (at least in his Bullseye costume)-
Marbles, playing cards, Sai, at least one hand gun, his dental implants, his natural teeth, his costume (which is reinforced with kevlar), kunai daggers, shaken/throwing stars, tooth picks, butterfly knives, rope, any fecal matter he can produce, an rocks or pebbles that are beneath his feet, any stray bullets he might have, his pain medication (for possible residual pain from his brain tumor), any bullets he may have, his belt, his holster, host boots, his gloves...etc.

Like I said, ANYTHING in his hands is a deadly weapon.
nope for starters he almost never carries a gun, he even states he thinks it unfair. so right off the bat your wrong.

and not a single on of thoses things would or could put wolverine down, not to mention wolverine a meta human who could simply dodge it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
for starters daken dident just have eye damage he was blown to bits.

OK I can't ignore that anymore... what issue? No further spoilers please

Originally posted by Ize19
-Notice the first panel on page 13: "SPLOOT!" That's the sound effect of his eye growing back. On page 10 you can see the empty eye socket.

-If he can regrow all his organs, what makes you think he can't regrow an eyeball?

- It has healed, as seen by the bottom panel of the second scan. There's still blood there, but it's just leftover blood, you can clearly see the whole eye.

- Read them in the order they were posted. But Wolverine still states that he needs to put his eye back in place.

- Never said he couldn't regrow an eyeball. Try to actually READ some of my posts. I said that he could not regrow it in seconds.

- No, you can not clearly see the whole eye. There's no way of telling whether or not his eye was just cut or removed. Seeing as Shingen cut sideways, there's no real way that he could have cut Wolverine's eye out of the socket.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
OK I can't ignore that anymore... what issue? No further spoilers please
dark wolverine 77 im pretty sure, thats the number whatever the newest one is.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

when did juggernaut say that (which si clearly pis, if it even happen at all) what was the issue number?

Wasn't that Deapowerednaut? Juggy at full power healed his eyes in seconds.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Read them in the order they were posted. But Wolverine still states that he needs to put his eye back in place.

- Never said he couldn't regrow an eyeball. Try to actually READ some of my posts. I said that he could not regrow it in seconds.

- No, you can not clearly see the whole eye. There's no way of telling whether or not his eye was just cut or removed. Seeing as Shingen cut sideways, there's no real way that he could have cut Wolverine's eye out of the socket.
it happen twices.


ecpt he has, and you said it put him down which is also wrong.


really looked like to me it was taken out, and I can see the eye pretty clearly, there just blood over it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wasn't that Deapowerednaut? Juggy at full power healed his eyes in seconds.
actaully the was reconnt to not even huritng his eye lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
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6. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/627/sabesinfernofight8qr3.jpg
7. http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1491/sabesinfernofight9no1.jpg

Logan heal his entire eye in a few seconds long with the muscle of his face, and he not even a peak form when this occurs.

I own practically every Bullseye appearance. He almost ALWAYS carries a gun. It's what's in that gun holster on his leg. Typically he only carries enough bullets to shoot each of his targets once, but he ALWAYS carries a gun. Again, read DD 196-200 if you can find them. Darkwind heals Bullseye's broken spine and enhances him using mystical methods. It's how he survives the adamantium bonding process despite being a baseline human. I never said Darkwind used magic, just some secret mystical herbs or some crap.

I haven't had a chance to read anything since he became Hawkeye, but I'm pretty caught up from DD 131 till then. And Having an adamantium bonded skeleton already gives you enhanced strength and stamina.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Read them in the order they were posted. But Wolverine still states that he needs to put his eye back in place.

- Never said he couldn't regrow an eyeball. Try to actually READ some of my posts. I said that he could not regrow it in seconds.

- No, you can not clearly see the whole eye. There's no way of telling whether or not his eye was just cut or removed. Seeing as Shingen cut sideways, there's no real way that he could have cut Wolverine's eye out of the socket.

- Yeah, that was my bad. Went back and edited it. He also asks Jean to give him a second to let his eye regrow (maybe not the entire eye, that was the way I read it, but I could be wrong.) Eh, it could go either way, but Battlehammer's scan is much better than this one.

- I do read them, but maybe my response wasn't clear. If it takes Wolverine less than a night to regrow every organ in his body, there's no reason he can't regrow his eye in seconds.

- It looks that way to me, but maybe my interpretations off. Even if it was cut, it was a deep one, and there can't have been much left to regrow.

I think the only issue in between I'm missing is the one where he skewers Gambit, (partly for stealing his schtick with the playing cards).

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- No, you can not clearly see the whole eye. There's no way of telling whether or not his eye was just cut or removed. Seeing as Shingen cut sideways, there's no real way that he could have cut Wolverine's eye out of the socket.

Next page:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6425/wolvie61dcp0013.jpg

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Darkwind heals Bullseye's broken spine and enhances him using mystical methods. It's how he survives the adamantium bonding process despite being a baseline human. I never said Darkwind used magic, just some secret mystical herbs or some crap.

I haven't had a chance to read anything since he became Hawkeye, but I'm pretty caught up from DD 131 till then. And Having an adamantium bonded skeleton already gives you enhanced strength and stamina.
stop making shit up, it was never onces stated that his speed, strength, agility ect were put to enhanced human level ur full of it.




again lying, it allows your bone structure to suport more it does not make you inhuman in strength. And good lord that makes utterly no senses that it would enhance his stamina thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard and ur so full of it it not even funny.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
dark wolverine 77 im pretty sure, thats the number whatever the newest one is.

Thanks.

Read the issues. Understand the physics of what weighting a blow with metal does to ones strength, and I swear to god if you don't chill the **** out with the personal attacks, I'm gonna report your geek ass.

Originally posted by Battlehammer


Look at the scans, lmfao. On the 2nd page Wolverine blanks out, and on the 3rd they've moved to a completely different location and it's raining. How is that a couple of seconds?

Originally posted by Ize19
- Yeah, that was my bad. Went back and edited it. He also asks Jean to give him a second to let his eye regrow (maybe not the entire eye, that was the way I read it, but I could be wrong.) Eh, it could go either way, but Battlehammer's scan is much better than this one.

- I do read them, but maybe my response wasn't clear. If it takes Wolverine less than a night to regrow every organ in his body, there's no reason he can't regrow his eye in seconds.

- It looks that way to me, but maybe my interpretations off. Even if it was cut, it was a deep one, and there can't have been much left to regrow.

- His eye was injured, but you realize that a regular guy punched him? That cannot remove his eye. A punch to the face cannot suddenly make his eye disappear.

- In the third page, which was not posted, you can see that Wolverine's eye is back. That's part of my point though, he's not regrowing an eye. He's healing it. The eye was cut by Shingen and his healing factor repairs it. A cut like that cannot remove the eye from its socket, it's just not possible.

- It doesn't work like that, we don't know how long it took, nor do we know how much energy it requires of him to regrow organs. It's just an indication that he can regrow his eye, which we know. It's no indication that he can do it in seconds.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Read the issues. Understand the physics of what weighting a blow with metal does to ones strength, and I swear to god if you don't chill the **** out with the personal attacks, I'm gonna report your geek ass.
no personal attacks im statting a fact u are lying.

weighting ones blows does not equate to one being stronger. report me ive done nothing wrong but clal u all your BS.

I dont understand physics? your the one that just tried to equate add weight to bones, mean enhanced stamina.

I would say that having a majority of your bones being unbreakable and penetrating objects that would otherwise require superhuman strength would prove both.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Look at the scans, lmfao. On the 2nd page Wolverine blanks out, and on the 3rd they've moved to a completely different location and it's raining. How is that a couple of seconds?

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He blanked out for a second, he was fighting hell you can even tell it was a second becuase sabre-tooth got one punch in. or are you trying to say sabre-tooth let wolveirne stand there out cold and he was sitll standing.....good lord.
ur realling going to ignore what the scan shows awosome. They wer ein the middle of fight, the fight, they dident move to another location, it start raining becuase storm made it rain which is revealed in the next page. It was seconds dispite your lame very lame attempt to say other wises.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I would say that having a majority of your bones being unbreakable and penetrating objects that would otherwise require superhuman strength would prove both.
No it wouldent, and you been lying the entire thread, just stop.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Look at the scans, lmfao. On the 2nd page Wolverine blanks out, and on the 3rd they've moved to a completely different location and it's raining. How is that a couple of seconds?



- His eye was injured, but you realize that a regular guy punched him? That cannot remove his eye. A punch to the face cannot suddenly make his eye disappear.

- In the third page, which was not posted, you can see that Wolverine's eye is back. That's part of my point though, he's not regrowing an eye. He's healing it. The eye was cut by Shingen and his healing factor repairs it. A cut like that cannot remove the eye from its socket, it's just not possible.

- It doesn't work like that, we don't know how long it took, nor do we know how much energy it requires of him to regrow organs. It's just an indication that he can regrow his eye, which we know. It's no indication that he can do it in seconds.

- Sure, a regular guy punched him. A rather large regular guy, who had brass knuckles on. And it made his eye fall out, not disappear.

- Not sure why you changed up the order, but whatever. Healing such a deep gash is not that different from regrowing it. Judging by the blood spray, I'd say that he took out a fair chunk, even if it's covered in blood so we don't see it.

- Sure it works like that. If it takes him a certain amount of time and energy to regrow every organ in his body, then it will take less time and energy to regrow one eyeball, all other factors being equal.
We don't have an exact timeframe, but we do know that it was somewhere in the realm of a few hours, not the weeks it took to regrow the one that Mauvais ate. The speed and effectiveness of his healing is dependent on the damage dealt him, that is indisputable.

im done, there nothing more to prove to you, and no matter what you will ignore it or make up an excuses, i dont even care believe what you wish, the on pannel evidence we provided said other wises.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He blanked out for a second, he was fighting hell you can even tell it was a second becuase sabre-tooth got one punch in. or are you trying to say sabre-tooth let wolveirne stand there out cold and he was sitll standing.....good lord.
ur realling going to ignore what the scan shows awosome. They wer ein the middle of fight, the fight, they dident move to another location, it start raining becuase storm made it rain which is revealed in the next page. It was seconds dispite your lame very lame attempt to say other wises.

It was seconds? Sabretooth had time to speak apparently, so Wolverine wasn't able to register what he was saying. Otherwise, why would Sabretooth say "Are you listening?" Wolverine also happened to blank out when they were at the x-mansion too.

So jumping off of rooftops onto pavement, jumping through the roofs of cars from several floors up, out maneuvering gambit and then stabbing him, surviving punches to the head from sabretooth and juggernaut, being impaled several times, and being shot through the hands by the punisher and recovering don't require at least a small amount of physical enhancements?

It's like debating a brick wall or a birther.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It was seconds? Sabretooth had time to speak apparently, so Wolverine wasn't able to register what he was saying. Otherwise, why would Sabretooth say "Are you listening?" Wolverine also happened to blank out when they were at the x-mansion too.

At the X-mansion he had his spine pulled out off his neck.

Here, Wolverine completely lost himself to the animal rage or something so Loeb could do a flashback.

Bullseye's physical enhancements has been confirmed many times.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It was seconds? Sabretooth had time to speak apparently, so Wolverine wasn't able to register what he was saying. Otherwise, why would Sabretooth say "Are you listening?" Wolverine also happened to blank out when they were at the x-mansion too.
yes to further the plot, niether time was for more then a second, and sabre-tooth never stop fighting, he did not sit there and simply let wolverine wake up, he kept hitting him which is obvious by the fact he punching him, if he was out for more then seconds he be on the ground. and again that was not even had peak form.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Bullseye's physical enhancements has been confirmed many times.
prove it. show on pannel statements that his speed, agility, stamina and strength were put to enhanced human levels.

I don't own a scanner, if you can find panels from DD 196-200, captain america streets of poison where his abilities are displayed at their most extreme, be my guest, they're not easy to find online, they are pretty common at comics shops except for 196 since that is deathstrike's first appearance..

No I want an actaully on pannel statement, im not looking for feats, you said it was stated prove it was, becuase ur full of it as far as I can see.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
prove it. show on pannel statements that his speed, agility, stamina and strength were put to enhanced human levels.

I did not make claims for all of those. You're asking me to back up arguments I never made. Which seems to be half of your debating arsenal.... All I know is that he's had his spine laced with adamantium which grants him some extra strength and lets him do certain things. Like jump from a roof and onto a car without taking damage.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Daredevilv2005-15.jpg

from marvel-Abilities
Bullseye has no superhuman powers. However, his uncanny ability to use virtually any common object as a lethal projectile actually makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. Although he is not technically superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles. He has demonstrated the ability to lacerate a person's throat with a thrown playing card, spit his own tooth through a human skull, toss a paper airplane to a distant rooftop, and kill a person with a toothpick thrown through a window from a hundred yards away.

Bullseye is in overall exceptional physical condition, with the agility, reflexes, stamina, and speed of a professional or Olympic athlete. A result of his naturally perfect athletic gift for hand-eye coordination is that his reflexes are actually honed to a level well beyond that of any normal human. He is physically strong enough to lift at least 350 pounds. Several of Bullseye's bones have been reinforced with strips of Adamantium, and his spine is now entirely made of it, effectively increasing his resistance to injury in unarmed combat. This reinforcement also allows Bullseye to consistently utilize a range of motion in his acrobatic maneuvers impossible for an ordinary human (as his bones are protected from fracture).

Aside from his ability to throw projectiles with lethal accuracy, Bullseye is also a master of many martial arts disciplines and is extremely talented in the use of edged weapons and conventional firearms. Often, his outspoken attitude during combat about using his abilities seems to have become one of his favorite weapons: intimidation. As such, he believes that his attention in the media grants him more effectiveness in combat with a near flawless reputation, rather than an assassin who often uses fear of the unknown.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I did not make claims for all of those. You're asking me to back up arguments I never made. Which seems to be half of your debating arsenal.... All I know is that he's had his spine laced with adamantium which grants him some extra strength and lets him do certain things. Like jump from a roof and onto a car without taking damage.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Daredevilv2005-15.jpg
I never debated that. I said he did not increase him to enhanced human phsycally that the kid keeps trying to say, which of courses he lying.

I own that issue it pretty good one actaully.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
from marvel-Abilities
Bullseye has no superhuman powers. However, his uncanny ability to use virtually any common object as a lethal projectile actually makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. Although he is not technically superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles. He has demonstrated the ability to lacerate a person's throat with a thrown playing card, spit his own tooth through a human skull, toss a paper airplane to a distant rooftop, and kill a person with a toothpick thrown through a window from a hundred yards away.

Bullseye is in overall exceptional physical condition, with the agility, reflexes, stamina, and speed of a professional or Olympic athlete. A result of his naturally perfect athletic gift for hand-eye coordination is that his reflexes are actually honed to a level well beyond that of any normal human. He is physically strong enough to lift at least 350 pounds. Several of Bullseye's bones have been reinforced with strips of Adamantium, and his spine is now entirely made of it, effectively increasing his resistance to injury in unarmed combat. This reinforcement also allows Bullseye to consistently utilize a range of motion in his acrobatic maneuvers impossible for an ordinary human (as his bones are protected from fracture).

Aside from his ability to throw projectiles with lethal accuracy, Bullseye is also a master of many martial arts disciplines and is extremely talented in the use of edged weapons and conventional firearms. Often, his outspoken attitude during combat about using his abilities seems to have become one of his favorite weapons: intimidation. As such, he believes that his attention in the media grants him more effectiveness in combat with a near flawless reputation, rather than an assassin who often uses fear of the unknown.

yea like I said not an enahnced human like you kept saying which were lies.

Read DD 197-198. It's late and I'm tired of arguing with a primordial dwarf.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Read DD 197-198. It's late and I'm tired of arguing with a primordial dwarf.
I have read it, never was stated as your own source even confirms he not.

like I said you were lying, or miss informed.

wolverine should win

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Read DD 197-198. It's late and I'm tired of arguing with a primordial dwarf.

I'm curious about those issues as well, Bullseye is just briefly mentioned.

Wolverine murders him. Take his admantium skeleton and hf away and its an interesting fight.

even if u take alway all that and put logan at his peak MA skill BS is DED!! U HERE ME DED!!!

I know, but still gonna be an interesting fight.

well only good thing and funny part about that is having logan dodge and use his agility thinking to himself how stupid he looks doing it and how only spiderman should be moving like...... since that is what happen in a comic with him having to do his own spiderman routine on flagpoles for whatever reason dissin the agility aspect of it

Meh, agility is just not his thing, i know his agile but its easier to simply charge and cut opponent's head off.

he's fast enough to reach BE before he could see him... he can get close to him if he blitz or kicked up his speed to the max lvl... BE could never keep up with him

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he's fast enough to reach BE before he could see him... he can get close to him if he blitz or kicked up his speed to the max lvl... BE could never keep up with him

It's half a kilometer....

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's half a kilometer....

logan at his absolute top speed is a blur to most superhuman and goes completely invisible to trained humans his speed burst would keep BE from seeing him..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
logan at his absolute top speed is a blur to most superhuman and goes completely invisible to trained humans..

Like who? Elektra, DD, Fist, Cap, Bats?

he is faster then them and doesnt rely on cover or simple ninja tricks but actual speed that ppl are unable to register his movement..

he has disappeared in front of night crawler in the open...

cyclops and the xmen in a confined ship bypassing everyone and being in front of cyclops...

he has disappeared from department H and alpha flight while fully surveillance and escorted as a prisoner

he has disappeared in front of boomer

he has become nothing but a blur and unable to lock on to him mentally or visually from psylocke

he has fought and disappeared in front of an army comprised of hydra and the hand took them all down without being seen except for a glimpse here and their when he would slow down to take them down... they thought he was actually four different ppl one being Cap and beast...

he has disarmed an entire room of soldiers before they could fire and cleared the entire room all they saw was blur and their wpns fall apart.

their are a crap load more like fighting sabretooth, native and x23 at top speed and being nothing but blurs to the outside observer...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he has disappeared in front of night crawler in the open...

Actually that was a ninja trick Good to see you again, WS.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually that was a ninja trick Good to see you again, WS.

yeah i know but it was also pure speed as well...

i also meant it wasnt miss direction and props like smoke bombs and stuff

lmao.

Originally posted by SamZED
Meh, agility is just not his thing, i know his agile but its easier to simply charge and cut opponent's head off.
he uses his agility in different ways

Can someone come up with an interesting an prolonged scenario, regardless of who wins as long as it's interesting? I mean it is the worlds most infamous mutant antihero against the worlds most wanted and feared assassin.

BE hiding on top of a building logan 5 blocks away either sees BE, smells him hears him senses him in some way or feels the air current shift as the object is thrown at him and dodges it by then its too late logan disapears in front of BE line of sight appears behind him in a matter of seconds and stabs him through the back lifting him or decapitates him..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
BE hiding on top of a building logan 5 blocks away either sees BE, smells him hears him senses him in some way or feels the air current shift as the object is thrown at him and dodges it by then its too late logan disapears in front of BE line of sight appears behind him in a matter of seconds and stabs him through the back lifting him or decapitates him..

Originally posted by Ize19
How about this hypothetical battle?

Wolverine smells Bullseye from a block away

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1264/mcpch03902.th.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4140/mcpch08507.th.jpg

Since Bullseye is throwing them from a block away, and Wolverine knows where he is, he bats away the shard with his claws

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6256/uxmch21111.th.jpg http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5558/uxmch11014.th.jpg

Then, he disappears, and since Bullseye has no superhuman senses, he can't find him

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4525/uxmch1480607.th.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5874/wolverinev2ch00516.th.jpg

While Bullseye is looking for Wolverine, Logan sneaks up behind him, and puts a claw through his throat

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9471/xforcev3ch0814.th.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7703/xforcev1ch01621.th.jpg

I think that's at least as likely.

I already said that sly

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he is faster then them and doesnt rely on cover or simple ninja tricks but actual speed that ppl are unable to register his movement..

he has disappeared in front of night crawler in the open...

cyclops and the xmen in a confined ship bypassing everyone and being in front of cyclops...

he has disappeared from department H and alpha flight while fully surveillance and escorted as a prisoner

he has disappeared in front of boomer

he has become nothing but a blur and unable to lock on to him mentally or visually from psylocke

he has fought and disappeared in front of an army comprised of hydra and the hand took them all down without being seen except for a glimpse here and their when he would slow down to take them down... they thought he was actually four different ppl one being Cap and beast...

he has disarmed an entire room of soldiers before they could fire and cleared the entire room all they saw was blur and their wpns fall apart.

their are a crap load more like fighting sabretooth, native and x23 at top speed and being nothing but blurs to the outside observer...

With all that said, you still didnt answer my question.

Would Wolvie move so fast that the people i mentioned wouldnt be able to see him?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he uses his agility in different ways True.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Can someone come up with an interesting an prolonged scenario, regardless of who wins as long as it's interesting? I mean it is the worlds most infamous mutant antihero against the worlds most wanted and feared assassin. lester seems to be 1-up'ing daken left and right, but i guess half of it is that daken is a sado-masochist *shrugs*

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If Lester can take out Wolverine's eyes quickly, then he might have a shot at taking him down. If he's unlucky however Wolverine will be able to simple charge right through any of his attacks for a quick win.

Wolverine's taken Typhoid mary down while his eyes got incinerated... Even that's not a guarantee for BE. Wolverine likely wins the heavy majority in this scenario.

Against a non-jobbing Wolverine, Bullseye just has too much work to do to present a challenge for Logan's healing factor.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lester seems to be 1-up'ing daken left and right, but i guess half of it is that daken is a sado-masochist *shrugs*

The implication seems to be that Daken is letting him do those things to keep setting Bullseye up for the fall.

So far it's all been working out to Daken's advantage *shrugs*.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's taken Typhoid mary down while his eyes got incinerated... Even that's not a guarantee for BE. Wolverine likely wins the heavy majority in this scenario.

Against a non-jobbing Wolverine, Bullseye just has too much work to do to present a challenge for Logan's healing factor.

Like I said, it depends on what kind of heat Bullseye is packing. Regular cutting projectiles and the like won't do enough damage. If he's got Hawkeye's arsenal however, Wolverine might be in trouble.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Like I said, it depends on what kind of heat Bullseye is packing. Regular cutting projectiles and the like won't do enough damage. If he's got Hawkeye's arsenal however, Wolverine might be in trouble. wolverine can take a punch from hulk and still be in the fight then bullseye can throw what ever he wants at him wont do jack to logan with his healing factor.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Like I said, it depends on what kind of heat Bullseye is packing. Regular cutting projectiles and the like won't do enough damage. If he's got Hawkeye's arsenal however, Wolverine might be in trouble.

"might"

Originally posted by jinzin
"might"

Yes, might, not guaranteed. Bullseye would require extensive technology to take the majority.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yes, might, not guaranteed. Bullseye would require extensive technology to take the majority.
agreed.