Vulcan vs X-Man

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id369
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Location:
Broken Earth

Specification
Current Vulcan with his team mates powers (Darwin, Petra, and Sway).
This is Shaman X-Man.

What makes this match good.
Family Ties always make for a good feud. Both wield massive powers, with immense potential. Now lets add some fuel to the flame, and take into account that personality wise both are polar personalities, yet both have no qualms in killing if needed.

guy222
Shaman

Survivor19
If Gabriel has powers of Darwin in addition to his own, that is very much spite.

id369
Bump.

id369
Originally posted by Comic Book Guy

Vulcan would have a massive advantage, now being experienced with his energy powers. He can use that to manipulate Nate Grey's own, whose psionic power is arguably cosmic in its level.

Darwin and Sway's powers on paper turns this thing around. However, I don't recall Vulcan ever manage to effectively use them offensively (I could be wrong, so please check Deadly Genesis). Sway's powers kept bringing back visions of the past and Darwin's powers kept Petra and Sway's powers together and active in Vulcan's body. Theoretically, the nature of Darwin could prevent Nate Grey from defeating Vulcan (due to the seemingly limitless extent of his power). But, as we all saw from WWH: X-Men, Darwin CAN be overcome, and would be teleported away from battle.

Shaman X-Man is Nate Grey with a mental maturity about his powers. He's still as powerful as ever, but he uses it more ruthlessly now. His telekinetic powers has a broader application than energy-manipulation -- he can move large objects to dimensional barriers to molecules. There's also his vast telepathic powers to consider too, which Vulcan doesn't really have a defense for, I believe. But remember, his body is still stressed under all that power, and with overuse, can actually be destroyed by itself.

Off the bat, Nate Grey can mind-rip Vulcan.

Vulcan, on the other hand, can sense the immense power of Nate Grey. He can try to manipulate it to go nova, similar to what Gambit did to New Sun. Or he can try to override Nate's command, thanks to Vulcan's Omega-level energy-manipulation.

Nate Grey can also manipulate the biological functions of Vulcan's body with his TK. He can seriously mess with his brain chemistry, which can induce a variety of effects that can range from incapacitation, to seizures, to even loss of powers. Also, Nate can keep his distance while doing this.

Given the characters' personalities, I see Vulcan striking first while Nate Grey remains passive-aggressive, but attacking via TP. Hard to say who wins -- but if Rachel Grey and Nate Grey's battle would escalate to some "quantum reality battle" (according to an interview with one of the writers), then a Vulcan vs. Shaman X-Man battle would be comparable, if not be more intense than Vulcan vs. Black Bolt.

shokosugi
X-man

"Id"
Bump

King Castle
Nate shuts him down.. and then scans's his brain to see how his powers work and replicate his abilities.

GalacticStorm
I could be remembering this incorrectly but didnt Vulcan easily disable Rachel's tp with his powers?

"Id"
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Warlord
Xman unless Vulcan manipulates his tp (psionic energies)

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Warlord
Xman unless Vulcan manipulates his tp (psionic energies)

Which he would do given his showings on panel doing that to other very powerful tps like Rachel Grey with ease.

Id say Vulcan

Warlord
IF HE'S ALREADY DONE IT TO RACH, X-MAN ALTHOUGH MORE POWERFUL GOES DOWN TOO

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Warlord
IF HE'S ALREADY DONE IT TO RACH, X-MAN ALTHOUGH MORE POWERFUL GOES DOWN TOO

Who you shouting at? eek! laughing out loud

Warlord
i figured out i was typing capitals in the middle of the setence.

too lazy to erase and rewrite...embarrasment

"Id"
You know Vulcan has been effected by weaker telepaths.

Like Rachel. shifty

Ambient
I've got to go with Vulcan on this.. I think.. lol

King Castle
X-man has also manipulated psionic energy... he has grabbed Jean's psi bolts blast and send it back to her.. with no effort.

Sin I AM
id go with X-Man, vulcan never really impressed me, on paper he's a beast but the black bolt fight nonwithstanding...i didnt see him as all that proficient with his powers to take down a shaman nate

"Id"

Galan007
What can Vulcan do if Nate steps in between time?

King Castle
he follows him b/c his power is due ex machina in the vs forum roll eyes (sarcastic)

i say not a damn thing.

753
Current SNG would win. Vulcan+Darwin would overcome him however.

ExodusCloak
Bump, add ll of Darwins feats to Gabriel for the purposes of this fight. shifty

ExodusCloak
Here's the reason why I bumped this thread earlier on.
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leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
What can Vulcan do if Nate steps in between time?

could nate affect him if he did so? can he use his powers offensively after stepping between time? i remember him doing it. don't recall him using his powers...

"Id"

Mindset
Wait, what do you mean?

"Id"
Originally posted by Mindset
Wait, what do you mean?

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753

"Id"
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's the reason why I bumped this thread earlier on.
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Yeah well, X-Man can warp reality. 131fist

guy222
nate

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by "Id"
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Yeah well, X-Man can warp reality. 131fist

I don't think he's demonstrated control over that. The machine forced him into doing that.

Vulcan + Darwin stomps. Vulcan uses Darwins powerset to shut off X-Mans powers just like he did to Rachel and Cyclops. This is spite erm

"Id"
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't think he's demonstrated control over that. The machine forced him into doing that.

Vulcan + Darwin stomps. Vulcan uses Darwins powerset to shut off X-Mans powers just like he did to Rachel and Cyclops. This is spite erm The scan clearly dictates its an ability of his, regardless if he was forced by a machine to use his ability.

Besides X-Man could always shut Vulcan down, no different than how Rachel stripped Vulcan of his team mates power through her telepathy.

Vulcan has his work cut out.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by "Id"
The scan clearly dictates its an ability of his, regardless if he was forced by a machine to use his ability.

Besides X-Man could always shut Vulcan down, no different than how Rachel stripped Vulcan of his team mates power through her telepathy.

Vulcan has his work cut out.


They both belong in the Summers family tree... which means they both lose!!!!



Happy Dance

inimalist
lol, one crappy moment against Magus and suddenly Vulcan can hang with some of Marvel's heaviest hitters...

Nate, with ease

"Id"

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by "Id"
The scan clearly dictates its an ability of his, regardless if he was forced by a machine to use his ability.

Besides X-Man could always shut Vulcan down, no different than how Rachel stripped Vulcan of his team mates power through her telepathy.

Vulcan has his work cut out.

He has an ability he doesn't know how to access or use offensively without a machine. It's a moot point.

Rachel needed Vulcans permission to enter his mind. Darwins powers was shielding him, once Darwin left Vulcan became more vulnerable to telepathy.

Darwins ability to shut off powers was further elaborated on in the What if but he demonstrated it on Rachel and Scott in the 616 Universe.

Vulcan w Petra, Sway and Darwin would stomp. erm

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by inimalist
lol, one crappy moment against Magus and suddenly Vulcan can hang with some of Marvel's heaviest hitters...

Nate, with ease


He did basically stalemate Black Bolt.

inimalist
Originally posted by "Id"
Well its with Emperor Vulcan plus Darwin, Petra, and Sway powers

ah, missed that

I tend to see Darwin's power as a PIS machine, so I would say Darwin in Vulcan's body wins, as the victory has nothing to do with Vulcan himself

inimalist

celeyhyga17
Nahh.. He came right back up while BB was recovering. Then bang, EXPLOSION!!!

"Id"

ExodusCloak

inimalist
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nahh.. He came right back up while BB was recovering. Then bang, EXPLOSION!!!

like I said, we disagree about that

he hung with him until BB actually used his power, which KO'd Vulcan

sure, he regenerated after a time, but he was defeated

its like you are saying Tyson never won any fights by KO because his opponents weren't dead at the end of the match

"Id"

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by inimalist
like I said, we disagree about that

he hung with him until BB actually used his power, which KO'd Vulcan

sure, he regenerated after a time, but he was defeated

its like you are saying Tyson never won any fights by KO because his opponents weren't dead at the end of the match


Good point. But it looks to me Vulcan took his best shot and got right back up in the next panel. I also notice BB was looking spent as Vulcan came at him for round 2. Agree to disagree. smokin'

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by "Id"
Are you listing to yourself? Vulcan stopped Rachel in her tracks, thanks to his ability to manipulate current in her brain.

Your attempting to reach out, and overlap what was explained with a What If. There is no way I or anyone else is buying into that.

Besides it a moot point. Previously X-Man had complete molecular of his body through his TK. Attempts to manipulate his matter would fail, thanks to his TK. And even than, you still have to consider that its not real body, just a psy construct. There are no cell, for Darwin to kill.

I just looked now. You're right he shut off currents in their brain. Regardless Darwin has another way of shutting it off. And it's a both conscious and subconscious power.




Rachel couldn't even detect Vulcan. He made Cerebra backfire on Emma.


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He was also able to manipulate Rachels powers and used them to invade Emma's mind.



Either way Darwins ability is too much Nate Grey. If Darwin can evolve into something that can drain gamma energy I wouldn't put it past him to evolve into something that can drain psionic energy.

But again that's not the main point. Darwins defences are too much for Nate Grey. And Vulcan has been shown to manipulate psionic energy. It's too much for X-Man.

"Id"

ExodusCloak

inimalist
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Good point. But it looks to me Vulcan took his best shot and got right back up in the next panel. I also notice BB was looking spent as Vulcan came at him for round 2. Agree to disagree. smokin'

those fights aren't sequential, there is a gap between BB screaming at him and Vulcan recovering, iirc, but ya, agree to disagree

"Id"

Icantbelievethi
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ExodusCloak

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by inimalist
those fights aren't sequential, there is a gap between BB screaming at him and Vulcan recovering, iirc, but ya, agree to disagree


damn you!! You were correct. I reread WoK #6 and... There were a few more panels that passed before Vulcan got up and regenerated. I guess I would give the slight nod to Black Bolt. But still, they were almost evenly matched throughout the fight. It could have gone either way. No shame in Vulcan getting temporary ko'ed by a herald level character...



surrender

"Id"

inimalist
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
damn you!! You were correct. I reread WoK #6 and... There were a few more panels that passed before Vulcan got up and regenerated. I guess I would give the slight nod to Black Bolt. But still, they were almost evenly matched throughout the fight. It could have gone either way. No shame in Vulcan getting temporary ko'ed by a herald level character...



surrender

no, totally, I agree, I'm not trying to say it is a bad showing or anything

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