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Seems Az is the fastest being alive. Can Wally match him?

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Remember that Az teleported from Pluto to Earth in a nanosecond. Or whatever planet it was.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Remember that Az teleported from Pluto to Earth in a nanosecond. Or whatever planet it was. teleportation is different than ones body speed

flash

I would say that Wally is the fastest of the two.

Originally posted by chomperx9
teleportation is different than ones body speed

yes, i know, but az moves at the speed of throught. that speed feat there is one of the best i have seen. can you give me something better for wally? not disputing it, just want some feats.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
yes, i know, but az moves at the speed of throught. that speed feat there is one of the best i have seen. can you give me something better for wally? not disputing it, just want some feats.

The speed of thought is roughly 30m/s.

Originally posted by h1a8
The speed of thought is roughly 30m/s.

Yeah, but not necessarily in comics. I remember when Chris Claremont came back, he had Psylocke move at the speed of thought, then the narative part said that it was faster than LIGHT!

I think that's what was shown in the Azreal 1M comic. He moved a LOT faster than the speed of light. Nanosecond fast.

Just trying to address some points.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
yes, i know, but az moves at the speed of throught. that speed feat there is one of the best i have seen. can you give me something better for wally? not disputing it, just want some feats.

The speed of thought is nothing to Wally West. Flash can crawl backwards faster than the speed of thought. It's nothing.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, but not necessarily in comics. I remember when Chris Claremont came back, he had Psylocke move at the speed of thought, then the narative part said that it was faster than LIGHT!

I think that's what was shown in the Azreal 1M comic. He moved a LOT faster than the speed of light. Nanosecond fast.

Yea, speed of thought is considered "> Light Speed" in comics for some reason.

Nanosecond fast? Dude, Flash casually moves at picosecond speed. His reacted/moved at attosecond speed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Just trying to address some points.



The speed of thought is nothing to Wally West. Flash can crawl backwards faster than the speed of thought. It's nothing.



Yea, speed of thought is considered "> Light Speed" in comics for some reason.

Nanosecond fast? Dude, Flash casually moves at picosecond speed. His reacted/moved at attosecond speed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Just trying to address some points.



The speed of thought is nothing to Wally West. Flash can crawl backwards faster than the speed of thought. It's nothing.



Yea, speed of thought is considered "> Light Speed" in comics for some reason.

Nanosecond fast? Dude, Flash casually moves at picosecond speed. His reacted/moved at attosecond speed.

How many billion, trillions faster than the speed of light do you see wally going? Cause that's how fast Az was.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
yes, i know, but az moves at the speed of throught. that speed feat there is one of the best i have seen. can you give me something better for wally? not disputing it, just want some feats. wally has created dimensional portals with his speed

well, how much faster than light is wally? That doesn't tell me anything.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
How many billion, trillions faster than the speed of light do you see wally going? Cause that's how fast Az was.

At his level of speed it isn't really quantifiable unless if you do some serious math and even then that's the speed feats without the time/space dimension breaking. How fast are you going if you run 20 miles and arrive 2 seconds before you left?

Just for the fun of it, how fast would you say his going here:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA88-21.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA88-22.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA89pg01.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA89pg02.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Just for the fun of it, how fast would you say his going here:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA88-21.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA88-22.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA89pg01.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA89pg02.jpg the writer tells us how fast he was travelling in the third scan you posted: "a hair's breadth short of the speed of light" - and again in the fourth scan: "near-light travel".

assuming he was moving any faster/slower than what the writer specifically told us is... faulty.


anyhow, azrael ftw.

Originally posted by Galan007
the writer tells us how fast he was travelling in the third scan you posted - "a hair's breadth short of the speed of light." assuming he was moving any faster/slower than what the writer specifically told us is... faulty.

anyhow, azrael ftw.

He carried over half a million people 35,000 miles away, from a Nuclear Weapon that already exploded in 0000.1 micro seconds (Not taking into account he was on the other side of the world when it exploded.) is slower than light speed?

I'm going to try and do math here.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
yes, i know, but az moves at the speed of throught. that speed feat there is one of the best i have seen. can you give me something better for wally? not disputing it, just want some feats.
are you saying that telporting is a speed feat?

There was an Az 1M? When?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At his level of speed it isn't really quantifiable unless if you do some serious math and even then that's the speed feats without the time/space dimension breaking. How fast are you going if you run 20 miles and arrive 2 seconds before you left?

Just for the fun of it, how fast would you say his going here:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA88-21.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA88-22.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA89pg01.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/th_JLA89pg02.jpg

Here's the math. First let us ignore him traveling halfway around the world to even get to North Korea. The island he carried them to was 35 miles away from the blast so each trip he travel 70miles. So for 500,000 people he traveled at least 70 times 500,000 or 35,000,000 miles in .00001 microseconds.

Now a microsecond is 1x10^-6 seconds (or .000001 seconds for those who don't like scientific notation). But he traveled in .00001 microseconds. That means that he traveled in .00001(.000001) = 1x10^-11 seconds (or .00000000001 seconds).

Thus his average speed was 35,000,000miles/.00000000001sec
= 3.5x10^18miles per second

Now light moves at 186,282 miles per second. So dividing we get
(3.5x10^18)/(186,282) = 1.88x10^13 times the speed of light.
WTF! All I can say is

WOW!!!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He carried over half a million people 35,000 miles away, from a Nuclear Weapon that already exploded in 0000.1 micro seconds (Not taking into account he was on the other side of the world when it exploded.) is slower than light speed?

I'm going to try and do math here.

do all the math you want but the writter (the one telling the story and the final authorty on it) said he was going slower then light

Originally posted by jasofisc
do all the math you want but the writter (the one telling the story and the final authorty on it) said he was going slower then light

It makes absolutely no sense. Mathematically speaking. But whatever it was a comic.

The obvious answer would be Barry.

You spelled Bart wrong.

Fanboys.

Wally West > All other Flashes

It's a fact. At least until Johns retcons all of Wally's feats to being Barry in disguise.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It makes absolutely no sense. Mathematically speaking. But whatever it was a comic.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There was an Az 1M? When? during the "dc one million" storyline.

here are his feats:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=496222&pagenumber=2

(about 12 posts down)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's a fact. At least until Johns retcons all of Wally's feats to being Barry in disguise.

Wally's prominent days were in the 90s.

'nuff said.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wally's prominent days were in the 90s.

'nuff said.

Wally > Barry

Originally posted by Galan007


during the "dc one million" storyline.

here are his feats:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=496222&pagenumber=2

(about 12 posts down)

I saw the respect thread and Az is fast. Not sure who is faster math wise, but it would be close.

He didn't teleport, he actually flew. It came out to I think dozens of trillions of times lightspeed. I say in base form he beats Wally but if Wally is allowed to steal speed he wins

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It makes absolutely no sense. Mathematically speaking. But whatever it was a comic.

true

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wally > Barry

In homosexuality? Maybe.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
In homosexuality? Maybe.

The only one whose gay is Barry and his boyfriend Hal.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He didn't teleport, he actually flew. It came out to I think dozens of trillions of times lightspeed. I say in base form he beats Wally but if Wally is allowed to steal speed he wins

There is no stealing of speed, just a race.

Azrael wins. I cannot think of a speed feat Wally has that is greater than moving from Pluto to Mars, in a nanosecond.

Originally posted by jasofisc
do all the math you want but the writter (the one telling the story and the final authorty on it) said he was going slower then light

Um no!

What happened > What writer says when writer contradicts himself (He said 35miles and .00001 microseconds as well).

You know that the radiation from a nuclear blast moves at the speed of light yet it was at a standstill when flash saved those people.

Thus what is shown > what is said

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The only one whose gay is Barry and his boyfriend Hal.

hey...take that back..i don't care what u say about Barry..leave Hal out of it uhuh

Originally posted by h1a8
Um no!

What happened > What writer says when writer contradicts himself (He said 35miles and .00001 microseconds as well).

You know that the radiation from a nuclear blast moves at the speed of light yet it was at a standstill when flash saved those people.

Thus what is shown > what is said sorry boss, but when it comes down to it the writer's word is generally > ALL.

remember, it's a comic. if flash was intended to have gone FTL in that instance, the writer would have stated such. instead, he made it a point to tell us that flash was moving slower than light... two different times, on two different pages.

had flash's speed not been stated at all, you'd have a much better case. however, since his speed was stated to be sub-c by the writer, there's really no arguing it. imo.

Writer's world isn't necessarily > all.

But when he's talking about his OWN comic, it sure is.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Writer's world isn't necessarily > all.

But when he's talking about his OWN comic, it sure is.

i was talking about this specific instance.

Originally posted by Galan007


i was talking about this specific instance.

Yup.

A lot of people try to define a character's statement as the writer's word though, in cases with Spidey's comment about Sentry. That's when the real trouble starts

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yup.

A lot of people try to define a character's statement as the writer's word though, in cases with Spidey's comment about Sentry. That's when the real trouble starts writer statements are much different than character statements, though. writers speak from a third-person omniscient point of view, whereas character's generally don't.

imo, the only time a writer's word can be argued, is if the statement in question stinks of hyperbole

Originally posted by Galan007
writer statements are much different than character statements, though. writers speak from a third-person omniscient point of view, whereas character's generally don't.

imo, the only time a writer's word can be argued, is if the statement in question stinks of hyperbole.

Yeah. Omnipotent Odin and A million exploding suns, is probably the most popular one.

That's the problem I encounter in many debates. People try to do the math regarding certain things, and that is supposedly okay. When a writer states something in the narrative boxes however, it's supposedly hyperbole. How anything can be "hyperbole" regarding herald level characters, is beyond me. Superman and Thor can pull apart planets, but it's hyperbole if they lift like a hundred millions? I think not

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah. Omnipotent Odin and A million exploding suns, is probably the most popular one.

That's the problem I encounter in many debates. People try to do the math regarding certain things, and that is supposedly okay. When a writer states something in the narrative boxes however, it's supposedly hyperbole. How anything can be "hyperbole" regarding herald level characters, is beyond me. Superman and Thor can pull apart planets, but it's hyperbole if they lift like a hundred millions? I think not in some cases math is okay, so long as there were no specifics stated.

for instance, if superman travels from the sun to earth in mid-sentence, i think it's perfectly logical to assume he was traveling FTL, because we know the distance from the sun to earth, and the writer never gave any specifics same with azrael m* - if he moves from pluto to mars in a specified nanosecond, there's no reason to assume he was not traveling an absurd amount beyond c, based on the distance he covered and the amount of time he covered it in..

but in the flash instance, the writer made it a point to say he was moving slower than light. real world number crunching doesn't change the fact that a certain speed was specified. like i said before, had flash's speed not been stated, there would have been nothing wrong with ascertaining a quantifiable speed, based on the instance itself

Originally posted by Galan007
in some cases math is okay, so long as there were no specifics stated.

for instance, if superman travels from the sun to earth in mid-sentence, i think it's perfectly logical to assume he was traveling FTL, because we know the distance from the sun to earth, and the writer never gave any specifics same with azrael m* - if he moves from pluto to mars in a specified nanosecond, there's no reason to assume he was not traveling an absurd amount beyond c, based on the distance he covered and the amount of time he covered it in..

but in the flash instance, the writer made it a point to say he was moving slower than light. real world number crunching doesn't change the fact that a certain speed was specified. like i said before, had flash's speed not been stated, there would have been nothing wrong with ascertaining a quantifiable speed, based on the instance itself

Bingo.

Meh.

It's not that cut and dried. While we do have the narrator's statement on the fact that Wally wasn't going faster than light, we also have him giving the exact number of persons, distance and time it took Wally to evacuate them. Should we ignore basic calculations and go soley on what the author said on the basis that it's a comic so real life numbers don't apply or ignore the sub-light statements and go the other route considering the evidence ? None of the stances is incorrect, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
sorry boss, but when it comes down to it the writer's word is generally > ALL.

remember, it's a comic. if flash was intended to have gone FTL in that instance, the writer would have stated such. instead, he made it a point to tell us that flash was moving slower than light... two different times, on two different pages.

had flash's speed not been stated at all, you'd have a much better case. however, since his speed was stated to be sub-c by the writer, there's really no arguing it. imo.

No sir. If I'm writer and say X dude is running at 50mph but also say he ran 10000000000 miles in one second then I contradicted myself. Thus we can't except what I said and only can go by what is shown.

Another example, I the writer say X dude can't lift a car but while I'm stating it on panel X dude lifts the car on panel. What has more weight 'what I said' or 'what is shown'?

Last example, writers in the past said that classic Thor is not bulletproof yet we saw classic Thor being bulletproof. Is this Thor bulletproof or not?

Originally posted by h1a8
Thus we can't except what I said and only can go by what is shown. in the flash instance, everything was stated - nothing was actually shown... so your examples really don't apply.

anyhow, do we have a specified distance? sure. do we have a specified time in which flash had to cover that distance? sure. do we have a specified amount of times he had to cover that distance? sure.

but what we also have are two different comments from the writer stating that flash was moving < c. therein lies the problem.

Originally posted by Galan007
in the flash instance, everything was stated - nothing was actually shown... so your examples really don't apply.

anyhow, do we have a specified distance? sure. do we have a specified time in which flash had to cover that distance? sure. do we have a specified amount of times he had to cover that distance? sure.

but what we also have are two different comments from the writer stating that flash was moving < c. therein lies the problem.
Indeed. That is how the writer contradict himself.

But
It was indeed shown, depending on your interpretation of what 'being shown' means. Do you see the first panel with no people on the land. In the next panel you see the people starting to materialize. Then in the third panel more people are materializing. We don't see flash because he is moving too fast. But those people are materializing for some reason. Now don't tell me flash isn't the one doing it.

Anyway this reminds me when I argued that Namor is 100 ton strength max in water. Writers showed him lifting much heavier weights because they didn't know how much that stuff weighs. But with direct writer's information handbook writers were told that his strength in water was 90-100 tons.

We saw a small number of people on land. It's only a large number if you take the writer's word on it. And if you take the writer's word on it, then you must take his word on the sub-c speeds as well. Taking the higher value because you feel like it is nothing but bias.

IMO, if there isn't an agreement on which statements to go by, nobody should be using those scans at all.

Originally posted by King Kandy
We saw a small number of people on land. It's only a large number if you take the writer's word on it. And if you take the writer's word on it, then you must take his word on the sub-c speeds as well. Taking the higher value because you feel like it is nothing but bias.

IMO, if there isn't an agreement on which statements to go by, nobody should be using those scans at all.

h1a8 and bias certainly do not go together!

Originally posted by King Kandy
We saw a small number of people on land. It's only a large number if you take the writer's word on it. And if you take the writer's word on it, then you must take his word on the sub-c speeds as well. Taking the higher value because you feel like it is nothing but bias.

IMO, if there isn't an agreement on which statements to go by, nobody should be using those scans at all.

Should we take his word moving 500,000 people 35miles away in .00001 microseconds?

Originally posted by h1a8
Um no!

What happened > What writer says when writer contradicts himself (He said 35miles and .00001 microseconds as well).

You know that the radiation from a nuclear blast moves at the speed of light yet it was at a standstill when flash saved those people.

Thus what is shown > what is said

incorrect what we see vs what happened can be to very differnt things, it's the writter telling the story and the artist who illistrates what the writter is writting. if their is a conflict you go by what the writters is saying onpanel not your own asumptions

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's the math. First let us ignore him traveling halfway around the world to even get to North Korea. The island he carried them to was 35 miles away from the blast so each trip he travel 70miles. So for 500,000 people he traveled at least 70 times 500,000 or 35,000,000 miles in .00001 microseconds.

Now a microsecond is 1x10^-6 seconds (or .000001 seconds for those who don't like scientific notation). But he traveled in .00001 microseconds. That means that he traveled in .00001(.000001) = 1x10^-11 seconds (or .00000000001 seconds).

Thus his average speed was 35,000,000miles/.00000000001sec
= 3.5x10^18miles per second

Now light moves at 186,282 miles per second. So dividing we get
(3.5x10^18)/(186,282) = 1.88x10^13 times the speed of light.
WTF! All I can say is

WOW!!!

i think this speaks for itself, the flash is the man!

Originally posted by h1a8
Should we take his word moving 500,000 people 35miles away in .00001 microseconds? if you use that statement, you must also use the sub-c statement.

Originally posted by h1a8
Should we take his word moving 500,000 people 35miles away in .00001 microseconds?
Those statements are no more and no less credible than the sub-C statement. You can't just choose to use those one's because it makes the Flash look better. I'd personally go with the speed he explicitly stated, because the other speed seems like the result of nothing but poor math skills on the writers part, but given that either view can be taken id just submit that those scans are garbage and shouldn't be used in any debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's the math. First let us ignore him traveling halfway around the world to even get to North Korea. The island he carried them to was 35 miles away from the blast so each trip he travel 70miles. So for 500,000 people he traveled at least 70 times 500,000 or 35,000,000 miles in .00001 microseconds.

Now a microsecond is 1x10^-6 seconds (or .000001 seconds for those who don't like scientific notation). But he traveled in .00001 microseconds. That means that he traveled in .00001(.000001) = 1x10^-11 seconds (or .00000000001 seconds).

Thus his average speed was 35,000,000miles/.00000000001sec
= 3.5x10^18miles per second

Now light moves at 186,282 miles per second. So dividing we get
(3.5x10^18)/(186,282) = 1.88x10^13 times the speed of light.
WTF! All I can say is

WOW!!!

Exactly, flash is at least a million times faster than Azrael 1M.

Heh. I like the debate over those scans, because the writer has to be incorrect about something in the narration. It's possible that more than one thing is incorrect (number of people, travel speed of Flash, the time it took, etc.) but at least one of them has to be.

So it does in fact shoot down the argument that we have to take the writer's word for things. As a general rule I don't disagree with that hierarchy of importance, but it can't apply to this situation, because then we're believing a literal contradiction.

So where does that leave us? For me personally, I have to default it to an unreliable narrator and then deduce as much as I can from the scans and context. Were there more people in the city, Flash would not have simply stopped. So I can feel confident that he saved all of them. And with reasonable estimates about the number of people in the city, he would have to be going faster than light. Imo, at least.

It's not without precedent for Flash comics. We've seen Flashes and Flash villains move "instantaneously" (i.e. no passage of time)...I wish I remembered the exact scan (it was used against me in a tourney one time). Again, it seems to make little sense, but our basic assumptions are usually made to look silly by the Speed Force. But I have no problem placing Wally > lightspeed.

I always just used the time-stop theory for that. When Flash starts using the speed-force to it's more impressive side, there's literally no upper speed limit for him. I remember a conversation he was having with Max Mercury a long time ago, and they were simply -walking- around the town so fast everyone was statues. Flash is pretty much a time-traveler when he wants to be.

Yea when it comes to speed I don't think anyone can actually touch Wally West.

He doesn't just break time/space anymore. His ability to break time/space is so great, he was able to go back to Crisis on Infinite Earth's.

Unfortunately Johns is gonna try and piss all over that. Barry Allen created the Speed Force? What kind of fanboy shit is that?

Well, what's Flash's best feat?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, what's Flash's best feat?

I don't think there really is anyway to quantify his best speed feats. How fast are you if you run 200 miles and arrive 2 seconds before you left? The entire time/space barrier breaking makes it really difficult

I can post some half decent feats, where it says he can cover this much distance in picoseconds etc. His way beyond light to the point, math stops being important.

Better feats than the Azreal one?

If you're willing to do the math, you can figure out if the quantifiable speed feats are or not.

Just throw out some feats.

Didn't Wally travel from one planet to another in ZERO time? I think I read that a few years ago, but never saw the scans.

I'm trying to find feats where we have the distance stated as well. I have plenty of scans of him scanning at ridiculous speeds. Like when he casually and easily scans the faces of half a million people and saves Wonder Woman in a picosecond and is ciearly faster than light by a fair bit, or moving in an attosecond, and shit. Obviously his doing uber shit, we don't just know how quantifiable it is. You can find all of that shit by looking in the respect thread really.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea when it comes to speed I don't think anyone can actually touch Wally West.

He doesn't just break time/space anymore. His ability to break time/space is so great, he was able to go back to Crisis on Infinite Earth's.

Unfortunately Johns is gonna try and piss all over that. Barry Allen created the Speed Force? What kind of fanboy shit is that?
Yup now Barry gives them all there power for some reason and is the fastest even though Wally proved he was before.

Originally posted by Digi
So where does that leave us? For me personally, I have to default it to an unreliable narrator and then deduce as much as I can from the scans and context. Were there more people in the city, Flash would not have simply stopped. So I can feel confident that he saved all of them. And with reasonable estimates about the number of people in the city, he would have to be going faster than light. Imo, at least. the only one speaking throughout the scans in question was the 'unreliable narrator'. that said, if you're going to take his distance/time statements literally, then you must also take his 'sub-light speed' statements literally. i mean, the writer making two different claims regarding wally moving at less than c cannot just be disregarded - as that was clearly how fast the writer intended him to be travelling.

due to these discrepancies, the entire instance should be thrown out and not used as *solid* evidence. imo.

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more on point... being that wally is not truly omnipresent, any time he moves somewhere 'instantly', or arrives somewhere before he left, he is obviously time travelling via the SF. however, what should be mentioned is that azrael is capable of time travelling on a whim - he did so a few times throughout his comic. so basically, wally pulling that little 'trick' wouldn't help him at all.

but where pure speed feats are concerned, i cannot think of anything wally has done that is on par with azrael moving from pluto to mars in a nanosecond.

Originally posted by Galan007
the only one speaking throughout the scans in question was the 'unreliable narrator'. that said, if you're going to take his distance/time statements literally, then you must also take his 'sub-light speed' statements literally. i mean, the writer making two different claims regarding wally moving at less than c cannot just be disregarded - as that was clearly how fast the writer intended him to be travelling.

due to these discrepancies, the entire instance should be thrown out and not used as *solid* evidence. imo.

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more on point... being that wally is not truly omnipresent, any time he moves somewhere 'instantly', or arrives somewhere before he left, he is obviously time travelling via the SF. however, what should be mentioned is that azrael is capable of time travelling on a whim - he did so a few times throughout his comic. so basically, wally pulling that little 'trick' wouldn't help him at all.

but where pure speed feats are concerned, i cannot think of anything wally has done that is on par with azrael moving from pluto to mars in a nanosecond.

That's just it, I'm not taking any of the narrator's statements literally. I'm dismissing them and figuring out as much as possible from the pictures. The place he was at was several miles away (35? Who knows) and I feel confident saying he saved the entire city of people (he wouldn't have stopped to simply watch the bomb if he hadn't). Given the time he had to operate within, I believe he was most likely traveling the speed of light or beyond. And like I said, moving at such speeds is not without precedent for Wally.

It's an incredible feat, and does show us something about Wally regardless of whether or not we can run exact figures on it. I have a hard time discounting it entirely from consideration because of that. But, again, that was brought up originally as one example. It's not the only feat of such a caliber that could be referenced for Wally.

But, just to clarify, I'm just offering a take on the scans, not taking a stance on the battle itself. I've never read anything of AZ 1M.

Flash is fast.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Yup now Barry gives them all there power for some reason and is the fastest even though Wally proved he was before.

Why would Barry Allen be faster than Wally West? He has no feats to say so. Despite John's wanking and retconning that doesn't change the fact that Wally's feat's make him the fastest man who ever lived.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would Barry Allen be faster than Wally West? He has no feats to say so. Despite John's wanking and retconning that doesn't change the fact that Wally's feat's make him the fastest man who ever lived.

Post crisis, no, but Barry has some PC speed feats that are insane.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would Barry Allen be faster than Wally West? He has no feats to say so. Despite John's wanking and retconning that doesn't change the fact that Wally's feat's make him the fastest man who ever lived.

What makes you say this?

Did you read all of Barry's old appearances?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What makes you say this?

Did you read all of Barry's old appearances?

Because it's been pretty thorougly established that Wally West is the fastest Flash, and has surpassed Barry Allen a while ago.

Shit, back in the day, he survived the same effort that killed Barry.

Most of them, although it's been a while if you are referring to his Pre-Crisis feats. I always found them boring.

Originally posted by Digi
That's just it, I'm not taking any of the narrator's statements literally. I'm dismissing them and figuring out as much as possible from the pictures. The place he was at was several miles away (35? Who knows) and I feel confident saying he saved the entire city of people (he wouldn't have stopped to simply watch the bomb if he hadn't). Given the time he had to operate within, I believe he was most likely traveling the speed of light or beyond. And like I said, moving at such speeds is not without precedent for Wally.

It's an incredible feat, and does show us something about Wally regardless of whether or not we can run exact figures on it. I have a hard time discounting it entirely from consideration because of that. But, again, that was brought up originally as one example. It's not the only feat of such a caliber that could be referenced for Wally.

But, just to clarify, I'm just offering a take on the scans, not taking a stance on the battle itself. I've never read anything of AZ 1M. but if you're taking the amount of people wally saved, as well as the distance he travelled, as fact - then you are taking the narrator's statements literally. thus, you'd have to take his < light speed comments literally, as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
but if you're taking the amount of people wally saved, as well as the distance he travelled, as fact - then you are taking the narrator's statements literally. thus, you'd have to take his < light speed comments literally, as well.

Two are greater than one.
Comments plus showing > contradictory comment

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Originally posted by h1a8
Two are greater than one.
Comments plus showing > contradictory comment
The point is that the "showing" is BASED on the comments.

You are going to keep claiming this showing is valid due to bias forever, but everyone else has recognized this already.

Originally posted by h1a8
Two are greater than one.
Comments plus showing > contradictory comment ohhhhh is THAT how it works? doh

so the writer may as well have not made two different statements that wally was moving below light speed, right? i mean, the 'rules' OBVIOUSLY don't work both ways.... and you, above all, know what the FAIR rules are.

Don't argue Galan, his calculations were canon as soon as he posted them.

heh, silly me.

When characters are going back in time due to their speed, I think the concept of who's faster breaks down..