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who is going to win this fight? batman cant use his ganjets its only a hand 2 hand fight

Do they fight like cats this time?

Shang-Chi, Batman stands - quite literally - no chance of winning.

Batman's not beating Shang in pure hand to hand.

Chi-bag wins, anything bruce can do, he can do better (ma/h2h wise obviously)

Shang.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang-Chi, Batman stands - quite literally - no chance of winning.

You still on this he has godlike chi powers nonsense?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You still on this he has godlike chi powers nonsense?

I just like to use these things called facts that support what I say... try it sometime.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I just like to use these things called facts that support what I say... try it sometime.

Yes and we discussed this last time you are delusional. i think you were coming out withs oem nosnense that he cant be killed by conventional means.

Anyway what facts?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I just like to use these things called facts that support what I say... try it sometime.

Bbbbb ....but he's the god damn Batman

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Bbbbb ....but he's the god damn Batman


Nah it aint that but people on this forum stroke Shang way too much.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes and we discussed this last time you are delusional. i think you were coming out withs oem nosnense that he cant be killed by conventional means.

Anyway what facts?

I'm pretty sure the conclusion we came to is that you where uninformed and didn't have enough information to comment on this topic and retain any amount of credibility.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm pretty sure the conclusion we came to is that you where uninformed and didn't have enough information to comment on this topic and retain any amount of credibility.

What actually happened was I got some facts wrong but it still proved my point you naturally misintepreted it because you always need to distort shit to prove your point is correct. It was some dumb shit like Taskmaster couldnt hurt Shang with his sword. I pointed out that Shang had a grueling fight with Zaran. What happened was that he got owned but it still proved he could get killed with a sword.

Again what facts?

Batman 5-6/10. From what I've seen of Shang, he hasn't beaten or stalemated any A-list MA in hth combat that Bruce couldn't IMO.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What actually happened was I got some facts wrong but it still proved my point you naturally misintepreted it because you always need to distort shit to prove your point is correct. It was some dumb shit like Taskmaster couldnt hurt Shang with his sword. I pointed out that Shang had a grueling fight with Zaran. What happened was that he got owned but it still proved he could get killed with a sword.

Again what facts?



Shang-Chi, walked all over Zaran in that "fight," it was nothing remotely resembling grueling. If I recall correctly your point (and I use the term lightly) was that Shang-Chi blocking swords / projectiles was proof that Taskmaster could beat him, and my point was that it was a dated example of Shang-Chi, and it wouldn't mean much if it did support your claims... which it didn't.

good match shang 5/10

Shang Chi wins.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
good match shang 5/10 No way! Batman 5/10!!!

Batman 10/10

give batman his belt and he wins

Batman for sure.

fer sure maybe

fer sure not

Batman

Originally posted by srankmissingnin


Shang-Chi, walked all over Zaran in that "fight," it was nothing remotely resembling grueling.

This is why your a complete waste of time and a joke. I just indicated in the previous post that it wasn't actually a gruelling fight. Your so messed up in the head that everything you read has to somehow prove your point.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

If I recall correctly your point (and I use the term lightly) was that Shang-Chi blocking swords / projectiles was proof that Taskmaster could beat him, and my point was that it was a dated example of Shang-Chi,

See what I mean? Its like your mind only remembers what you want to remember. You tried to make that point but it was incorrect.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Citing anything from more than ten years ago, is about as accurate as using brain tumor Bullseye as your measuring stick for current Bullseye.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
His fight with Zaran was in 2000....so yeah think before you post.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and it wouldn't mean much if it did support your claims... which it didn't.

Er yes it did. Heres one of your incredibly stupid points.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
dur

Dude got punched into orbit and wasn't koed... what is Taskmaster going to do to him?

Any normal poster could look at that post and see how retarded it is. You obvously can't because your not a normal person and you think everything you say is correct and everything in your mind gets distorted to prove what you want to believe.

It didnt prove that Zaran could beat Shang it just proved that he could still get hurt, injured and killed with a sword. Thats why he was bothering to block and dodge the attacks. I also posted this last scan to prove my point. This clearly showed he could get hurt or Koed by conventional mean. So basically I proved my point and you were talking nonsense.


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/img012.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/img013.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/img014.jpg

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/img012.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/img013.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/img014.jpg

OMFG.

Lamest. Villain. Ever. Is he still alive?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
OMFG.

Lamest. Villain. Ever. Is he still alive?

LOL who the f*ck is he anyway? Did they just create him to get beaten up?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL who the f*ck is he anyway? Did they just create him to get beaten up?

Shadow Stalker. Hard to find any info on him but this:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Stalker_%28Earth-616%29

Seriously, Marvel is running short of the ideas. And I thought Razor Fist was lame...

Batman.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
OMFG.

Lamest. Villain. Ever. Is he still alive? that thing on his head is a real weapon in kung-fu believe it of not. in real life it's used with a small blade an a single long ponytail, but it's used in the same manner.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in real life it's used with a small blade an a single long ponytail, but it's used in the same manner.

I see what you mean but thats quite different.

Still looks like a dumbass...

Shang Chi for the slight majority.

I recall not too long ago when Battlehammer (maybe srank as well) kept claiming Shang-Chi could use long-range chi blasts and I never found out how he could possibly have come up with that.

Originally posted by Accel
I recall not too long ago when Battlehammer (maybe srank as well) kept claiming Shang-Chi could use long-range chi blasts and I never found out how he could possibly have come up with that.

Silent Scream technique, maybe? Haven't seen any scans of Shang's "kamehamehas".

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Silent Scream technique
The hell is that?

Originally posted by Accel
The hell is that?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A few things from Assassin that I already had scanned, I'm sure there is more in it though.

Elektra uses the silent scream, a chi based high powered scream ala Black Canary.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/th_13-Page11.jpg

Shang-chi doing the Silent Scream for comparison

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_MarvelComicsPresents158b-16.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_MarvelComicsPresents158b-17.jpg

^ Thats not enough proof and thats exactly what im talking about with gross exaggeration.

Yah, Shang has a lot of traits that give him advantages over Batman.

Except you know, wins over top caliber opponents.

Batkick 10/10 > Shang chi

Originally posted by Juntai
Yah, Shang has a lot of traits that give him advantages over Batman.

Except you know, wins over top caliber opponents.

Well he busted up a Doombot that killed Orca ( a Namor opponent). Hes also beaten up Paladin while holding his breath, previoulsy Paladin had beaten Captain America. Hes beaten Zaran as well. I think most of his opponents exist in his own universe in the MU.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well he busted up a Doombot that killed Orca ( a Namor opponent). Hes also beaten up Paladin while holding his breath, previoulsy Paladin had beaten Captain America. Hes beaten Zaran as well. I think most of his opponents exist in his own universe in the MU.

Yep, he also owned old school Nick Fury very,very quickly.

Was wailing on Ghost Maker.

Fought Ben Grimm.

Basically stalemated Spiderman.

Even his cheesy foes from the 1970s are meant to be very skilled fighters.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Was wailing on Ghost Maker.



Beg your pardon, but its spelled "whaling." He was WHALING on Ghost Maker.

Whale- to strike repeatedly and forcefully.

Wail- a long, loud, high-pitched cry, as of grief or pain.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Yep, he also owned old school Nick Fury very,very quickly.

Was wailing on Ghost Maker.

Fought Ben Grimm.

Basically stalemated Spiderman.

Even his cheesy foes from the 1970s are meant to be very skilled fighters.

Oh yeah forgot about Spiderman. I think that was a low showing for Nick.



Originally posted by chilled monkey
Beg your pardon, but its spelled "whaling." He was WHALING on Ghost Maker.

Whale- to strike repeatedly and forcefully.

Wail- a long, loud, high-pitched cry, as of grief or pain.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Beg your pardon, but its spelled "whaling." He was WHALING on Ghost Maker.

Whale- to strike repeatedly and forcefully.

Wail- a long, loud, high-pitched cry, as of grief or pain.

doh

Originally posted by Warrior18
Yep, he also owned old school Nick Fury very,very quickly.

Was wailing on Ghost Maker.

Fought Ben Grimm.

Basically stalemated Spiderman.

Even his cheesy foes from the 1970s are meant to be very skilled fighters. 'Fought' Ben Grimm and 'basically stalemating' Spiderman still doesn't seem like wins over top level opponents.


And none of this even yet compares to what Batman does.

Originally posted by Juntai
'Fought' Ben Grimm and 'basically stalemating' Spiderman still doesn't seem like wins over top level opponents.


And none of this even yet compares to what Batman does.

Yeah, but... but...



SHANG CHI TEN OUTTA TEN!!!!11@2

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Beg your pardon, but its spelled "whaling." He was WHALING on Ghost Maker.

Whale- to strike repeatedly and forcefully.

Wail- a long, loud, high-pitched cry, as of grief or pain.

never heard of the silent cry technique ? heh

You know if beating a guy that defeated Captain America and stalemateing a guy that has made Iron Fist look like chump doesn't stand for anything I dont know what does. Obvoulsy Batman is superior to Captain America and Iron Fist.

I would like to know who these top level opponents are, if you refering to meta-humans im not even sure if that counts because that doesn't stop him from having one hell of a hard time with street levelers with inferior feats. All that seems to happen in some of Batmans fights with metas is they job, but when hes on the street he just like any other top notch ma. Going by some of his feats he should wipe the floor with other ma opponents but thats just not what happens.

As far as im concerned Batman loses because hes fighting a highly skilled opponent that is enhanced. I think thats the obvious conclusion if common sense is used, and not using examples of him punching Impulse or surviving a bloodlusted Superman.

Pretty much.

Batman.

Originally posted by Juntai
'Fought' Ben Grimm and 'basically stalemating' Spiderman still doesn't seem like wins over top level opponents.


Giving Spiderman one hell of a prolonged and uninterrupted fist fight is a pretty good showing I would think.



Originally posted by Juntai
And none of this even yet compares to what Batman does.

Such as? The only showings Bruce has which undoubtedly trump Shang's are quite frankly PIS.

Thrashing Paladin and totally out fighting Wolverine are two feats Bruce would be more than happy to have under his belt.Especially considering the difficulty he has had at times with DC's enhanced meta fighters.

That's even before we get to Shang's more esoteric feats.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Giving Spiderman one hell of a prolonged and uninterrupted fist fight is a pretty good showing I would think.





Such as? The only showings Bruce has which undoubtedly trump Shang's are quite frankly PIS.

Thrashing Paladin and totally out fighting Wolverine are two feats Bruce would be more than happy to have under his belt.Especially considering the difficulty he has had at times with DC's enhanced meta fighters.

That's even before we get to Shang's more esoteric feats. lol @ any of Bruce's showings over Shang being PIS by default.

Sorry dude, Bruce at one time or another has absolutely wrecked nearly everyone in the DCU, good or bad-guy. Sometimes with prep, yes, and sometimes not. Sooner or later, you just have to accept that he's entirely -that good-.
When a character does a one off feat, accomplishing something extrodinary and out of character either in action or in combat against another character he has no business beating- that is PIS.

When a character keeps doing it over and over making it his business, it becomes pretty obvious where they're intended to stand.

This is strictly hand to hand, so we'd have to go by those showings. From what I've read, Batman's showing without any gear is a bit more reasonable and toned down. As opposed to his prep and equipment feats.

However, if Batman is in his suit then all of his crazy durability feats apply. Like not long ago when apprehending the terrible trio, a bundle of dynamite exploded at his feet. Batman walked away from that explosion, carrying one of the criminals. After digging said criminal out from the debris

Shang Chi for the win

Originally posted by Juntai
lol @ any of Bruce's showings over Shang being PIS by default.

Sorry dude, Bruce at one time or another has absolutely wrecked nearly everyone in the DCU, good or bad-guy. Sometimes with prep, yes, and sometimes not. Sooner or later, you just have to accept that he's entirely -that good-.
When a character does a one off feat, accomplishing something extrodinary and out of character either in action or in combat against another character he has no business beating- that is PIS.

When a character keeps doing it over and over making it his business, it becomes pretty obvious where they're intended to stand.

Could you please post some feats so we could have a look, because right now theres no proof.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/DetectiveComics832pg09.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/DetectiveComics832pg10.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/DetectiveComics832pg11.jpg

He also saves the man's life despite injuries.

ok im assuming your just posting the scan you were refering to in your other post.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
ok im assuming your just posting the scan you were refering to in your other post.

Yes. I'll post some other scans now, where the Joker electrocutes him 5 times in a row.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/19.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/21.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/22-1.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img004.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img005.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img006.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img007.jpg

He also breaks the glass with a single strike there, using the coffin.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yes. I'll post some other scans now, where the Joker electrocutes him 5 times in a row.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/19.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/21.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/22-1.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img004.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img005.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img006.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/img007.jpg

He also breaks the glass with a single strike there, using the coffin.

Well ok thats fine. Personally im just waiting for Juntai to provide proof of these high-end people Bats has beaten.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well ok thats fine. Personally im just waiting for Juntai to provide proof of these high-end people Bats has beaten.

I don't think he has many incidents of Batman beating someone with just his hands. He probably misread the stipulation that this was strictly hand to hand. Though it IS certainly possible that he has beaten some higher ups with just his hands. I'm not the authority on Batman 'round here.

Batman was able to endure Sensie's attacks and eventually beat him. Shows his ability to get things done when they have to. And this is Sensei we're talking about. Arguably a better MA than Shang and loads more experience.

who can only maintain his pace for a min. b4 old age catches up not the same when dealing with shang chi

Originally posted by Juntai
lol @ any of Bruce's showings over Shang being PIS by default.

Sorry dude, Bruce at one time or another has absolutely wrecked nearly everyone in the DCU, good or bad-guy. Sometimes with prep, yes, and sometimes not. Sooner or later, you just have to accept that he's entirely -that good-.
When a character does a one off feat, accomplishing something extrodinary and out of character either in action or in combat against another character he has no business beating- that is PIS.

When a character keeps doing it over and over making it his business, it becomes pretty obvious where they're intended to stand.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Batman and probably own slightly more of his comics than any other individual character but as you pointed out much of the time he uses gadgets, prep time plus he has his suit. This thread is straight up h2h no gadgets (though I assume he still has the Bat-suit).

Barring some sort of circumstance Bruce hasn't really wrecked any of DC's premier fighters and he has struggled quite a bit against enhanced characters in fist fights.

If we accepted Bruce's uber high end feats he would literally own almost anybody he is pitted against in this forum. A guy who can send Darkseid reeling with a kick,humiliate speedsters and sneak up on Superman should utterly and always obliterate Lady Shiva, Batgirl, Slade, the best NKVDemon, Bronze Tiger etc. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Batman was able to endure Sensie's attacks and eventually beat him. Shows his ability to get things done when they have to. And this is Sensei we're talking about. Arguably a better MA than Shang and loads more experience.


What? lol

The Sensei was hardcore. He was whooping Bruce's arse and only lost because his stamina was so poor.Bruce had to get him to fall into the Fountain of Youth to avoid being killed outright.

I fail to see what that has to do with a fight against Shang Chi though.

I know that. I was trying to referr to Batman's pain threshold and able to take those hits he did and not fall. There is no proof that Shang is a better HTH fighter than Bruce.

Hell, Bruce's encounter with Bronze Tiger indicates that he's a lot better than before. When he got whupped by Val Armorr, Bruce just smiled and said, "til next time". Or something to that. Meaning he would more than likely adapt to Val. Just like he did in B&B.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I know that. I was trying to referr to Batman's pain threshold and able to take those hits he did and not fall. There is no proof that Shang is a better HTH fighter than Bruce.


I would say he is bare minimum at least as good or a bit better to be honest in many respects. Going by his old series he is essentially the Marvel equivalent of Richard Dragon in my opinion.

The real reason why I think Shang would win a pure h2h brawl in because he has truly impressive chi amping esoteric feats. He can increase his physical abilities to some very substantial levels which coupled with his high level of skill would give Bruce one hell of a headache.


Originally posted by Prep-Man

Hell, Bruce's encounter with Bronze Tiger indicates that he's a lot better than before. When he got whupped by Val Armorr, Bruce just smiled and said, "til next time". Or something to that. Meaning he would more than likely adapt to Val. Just like he did in B&B.

Bit of speculation on the part about KK. I must say I doubt Bruce or anyone else could 'adapt' to his level. He pummeled Bruce and would based on his abilites do so again.

Originally posted by Warrior18
I would say he is bare minimum at least as good or a bit better to be honest in many respects. Going by his old series he is essentially the Marvel equivalent of Richard Dragon in my opinion.

The real reason why I think Shang would win a pure h2h brawl in because he has truly impressive chi amping esoteric feats. He can increase his physical abilities to some very substantial levels which coupled with his high level of skill would give Bruce one hell of a headache.




Bit of speculation on the part about KK. I must say I doubt Bruce or anyone else could 'adapt' to his level. He pummeled Bruce and would based on his abilites do so again.

I'm talking about hth fist fights. No Chi amping of any sort. I'd admit Shang would win if he gets to use his chi, but without it, they're really close in the skill department.

As for the KK vs Batman thing I was talking about. In Brave And the Bold, Bruce holds his own against Val Armorr, who was using flying techniques, because both had a legion flightr ring.

Val admits that he can LEARN a lot from Bruce and he was a legend in the 30th century.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm talking about hth fist fights. No Chi amping of any sort. I'd admit Shang would win if he gets to use his chi, but without it, they're really close in the skill department.

As for the KK vs Batman thing I was talking about. In Brave And the Bold, Bruce holds his own against Val Armorr, who was using flying techniques, because both had a legion flightr ring.

Val admits that he can LEARN a lot from Bruce and he was a legend in the 30th century. http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8196/asdfjk7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/594/asdfxf8.jpg
The final scan doesn't work, where Bruce escapes, but it was fairly clear Bruce was beginning to get the upper hand after being sneak-attacked and put on the defensive.

I think Bruce would eventually lose. Val wasn't taking the fight seriously and was more astonished that he had met bruce. Plus he had more hits.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think Bruce would eventually lose. Val wasn't taking the fight seriously and was more astonished that he had met bruce. Plus he had more hits. Batman's not trying to fight either, he's trying to escape the legion. He started the fight on the defensive after being sneak attacked. -shrugs.-
He might lose eventually, but it's still no less impressive.

If both of them really wanted to end it, i'd still place my bets on Val. even 3boot. he was able to shatter ice glaciers and keep up with ultra boy speed wise.

Any more opinions?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
When he got whupped by Val Armorr, Bruce just smiled and said, "til next time". Or something to that. Meaning he would more than likely adapt to Val. Just like he did in B&B.

As I recall, when they fought Val was diseased and dying, was amnesiac and didn't know he had any fighting skills at all, and I think he had several broken bones too. He beat the snot out of Batman and only 'lost' because Black Lightning shot him in the back.

Later, when he went to Batman and complimented him on him well he fought, Batman acted like a spoiled brat and threw a tantrum, going "I'll beat you next time! I'm the best! I'm the best! No one beats me!" Basically being the most pathetic sore loser ever.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
As I recall, when they fought Val was diseased and dying, was amnesiac and didn't know he had any fighting skills at all, and I think he had several broken bones too. He beat the snot out of Batman and only 'lost' because Black Lightning shot him in the back.

Later, when he went to Batman and complimented him on him well he fought, Batman acted like a spoiled brat and threw a tantrum, going "I'll beat you next time! I'm the best! I'm the best! No one beats me!" Basically being the most pathetic sore loser ever.

LOL! I don't think he said it like that.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
LOL! I don't think he said it like that.

Well I can't recall his exact words, but he was a complete sore loser. Val by contrast was polite and respectful. He acted like a true martial artist.

this is asinine........... with the whole Val worship and reference feats.... batman has more speed feats then val.... but no one is stupid enough to use it in a forum battle...... otherwise he can out speed reflex bart, superman, wonderwoman, and wally west and many others..... some ppl suspend disbelief to an absurd lvl.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
this is asinine........... with the whole Val worship and reference feats.... batman has more speed feats then val.... but no one is stupid enough to use it in a forum battle...... otherwise he can out speed reflex bart, superman, wonderwoman, and wally west and many others..... some ppl suspend disbelief to an absurd lvl.

For once I agree.

Furthermore there were two versions of KK. As far as I know that Val in the scans showed doesn't have any MA feats with top tier fighters. I think he has a feat against Ultra Boy in training but thats it. The other Val who made Batman look like a chump has much more impressive feats.

Still waiting for proof. As its beem pointed out batman has actually has better feats than some of the peoples hes fought that doesnt stop Batman from nearly losing to people with far inferior feats and even looking worse off.

Common sense. Theres no proof that Batman better, so far we got a big fat zero.

Batman.

Batman's feats > Shang Chi's feats.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Batman's feats > Shang Chi's feats.

Overral Batman may POSSIBLY have better feats than Deathstroke.

overall bats is arnold in feats and val is a baby in diapers and deathstroke is an anx teen when you measure their feats

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
overall bats is arnold in feats and val is a baby in diapers and deathstroke is an anx teen when you measure their feats

Yeah thats kinda my point. I could be wrong but Batman may have better feats than Deathstroke. What happened when they fought? Deathstroke kicked his arse (Batman put up a good fight though).

No common sense is being applied to the debate. Shang wins the slight majority.

I don't really know Shang so well but Bats did hurt Grundy in hth (granted it was Loeb writing but still it was explained due to pressure points).

Anyway Shang is Master of Kung Fu.
But Bats is master of much more styles.
Plus he is more clever.

Could go either way but I think Bats can take him down.

Originally posted by comicfan11

Anyway Shang is Master of Kung Fu.
.

Thats just a title he knows Western martial arts as well. Anyway Kung fu is actually massive and has loads of different styles.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats just a title he knows Western martial arts as well. Anyway Kung fu is actually massive and has loads of different styles.

Yes but Batman also knows Kung Fu.
I don't see a clear advantage for Shang.
Just my opinion.

Originally posted by comicfan11
Yes but Batman also knows Kung Fu.
I don't see a clear advantage for Shang.
Just my opinion.

He doesnt know Kung Fu as well as Shang and Shang doesn't just know Kung Fu. I see Shang as being enhanced as well as skilled and therefore Shang wins.

Sure no problem (no sarcasm by the way).

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He doesnt know Kung Fu as well as Shang and Shang doesn't just know Kung Fu. I see Shang as being enhanced as well as skilled and therefore Shang wins.

Sure no problem (no sarcasm by the way).

Batman is said to be a master of nearly every martial art on earth.
It's stated and shown.
So how can you say that Shang is better (though he might be)?

I mean is there any proof?
The advantage Shang has is his chi stuff but Bats has done that on occasions and has hurt metas in hth.

The thing is that I believe many people give Shang the win because that's what he does. He is only a martial artist.

On other hand they think that Bats is somewhat a jack-of-all-trades so he has to lose to someone that excels at Kung-Fu.

Thing is Bats excels at MA and a ton other things.
That doesn't make Shang a better fighter at all, but a less versatile superhero.
IMO of course.

iirc batman's bio states he knows over a 124 MA styles........ and he did all this in his early mid 20's and became batman in his late 20's early 30's.... hhmmmm

Originally posted by comicfan11
Batman is said to be a master of nearly every martial art on earth.
It's stated and shown.
So how can you say that Shang is better (though he might be)?

I mean is there any proof?
The advantage Shang has is his chi stuff but Bats has done that on occasions and has hurt metas in hth.

The thing is that I believe many people give Shang the win because that's what he does. He is only a martial artist.

On other hand they think that Bats is somewhat a jack-of-all-trades so he has to lose to someone that excels at Kung-Fu.

Thing is Bats excels at MA and a ton other things.
That doesn't make Shang a better fighter at all, but a less versatile superhero.
IMO of course.

Hes smashed a Doombot with his bare hands. Punisher had to use armour pierecing shells from a heavy duty mounted machine gun to kill one.

Hes has nedgated one of Hirioms punches. Hiriom is a character like Iron Fist who can mystically channel chi. His chi punch has been shown to be stronger than Iron Fist's and he sent Luke Cage flying 100's of ft away with a punch.

Hes also fought Paladin who Captain America fought in the same circumstances and did better than him due to some breathing techniqe. Both Brubaker and Busiek think Cap is more formidable than Batman. If Shang can better than Cap in some aspects hes gonna be better than Batman.

Hes also done this..

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/?action=view&current=MarvelComicsPresents158b-16.jpg
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Batman can't do that. It doesn't make him less versatile becuas like I said he knows other styles as well. I dont know about the other styles but hes most likely better than Bats at Kung Fu.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hes smashed a Doombot with his bare hands. Punisher had to use armour pierecing shells from a heavy duty mounted machine gun to kill one.

Hes has nedgated one of Hirioms punches. Hiriom is a character like Iron Fist who can mystically channel chi. His chi punch has been shown to be stronger than Iron Fist's and he sent Luke Cage flying 100's of ft away with a punch.

Hes also fought Paladin who Captain America fought in the same circumstances and did better than him due to some breathing techniqe. Both Brubaker and Busiek think Cap is more formidable than Batman. If Shang can better than Cap in some aspects hes gonna be better than Batman.

Hes also done this..

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/?action=view&current=MarvelComicsPresents158b-16.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/?action=view&current=MarvelComicsPresents158b-17.jpg

Batman can't do that. It doesn't make him less versatile becuas like I said he knows other styles as well. I dont know about the other styles but hes most likely better than Bats at Kung Fu.

Quite impressive but why would Batman only use Kung-Fu?
Shang knows more styles than just Kung Fu but certainly not as many as bats.
Plus Bats has impressive feats also as mentioned with most notable the Grundy example and the knowledge of a technique that can KO opponents with a touch (not even a punch)

Shang-Chi, he's not called the Master of Kung Fu for nothing.

batman, he's not the master of kung fu and over a 100 other styles for nothing.

Originally posted by namorsubby
batman, he's not the master of kung fu and over a 100 other styles for nothing.

True, but do you think Batman is capable of stalemating Spider-Man and destroying a Doombot with his barehands like Shang-Chi?

Knowing more styles does not mean you're the better fighter, which is why we use feats.

Knowing more martial arts styles does make one a better fighter, because you become a more flexible fighter. I mean just take a look at MMA it is not called mixed martial arts for nothing. Who has the more favorable odds a master of one style or a master of many?

Originally posted by Magneto1982
True, but do you think Batman is capable of stalemating Spider-Man and destroying a Doombot with his barehands like Shang-Chi? Based on what he does in comics?
Certainly.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Knowing more martial arts styles does make one a better fighter, because you become a more flexible fighter. I mean just take a look at MMA it is not called mixed martial arts for nothing. Who has the more favorable odds a master of one style or a master of many? *fist incoming*

MMA master: "lets see now, wut style am i gonna use to block this one? ..."

*PUNCH*

too late

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Knowing more martial arts styles does make one a better fighter, because you become a more flexible fighter. I mean just take a look at MMA it is not called mixed martial arts for nothing. Who has the more favorable odds a master of one style or a master of many? Because comics are real life?

I didn't think I needed to differentiate the difference, but it appears I must.

IN COMICS knowing more styles does not mean you're the better fighter, which is why we use feats.

Knowing more style in mma doesn't make you the better fighter either, but that is irrelevant here.

Batman stomps Chi.

Hard.

off course comics and real world do not mix however


I would call you out on this but like you said it would be irrelevant so I pass



Ok it is because of the martial arts that these characters are able to do their feats because if they did not know any martial arts then there would not be any feats for us to go by.

In comics knowing more styles does not mean you're the better fighter this could not be more true however there is always a reason why this person beats that other person not matter how rediculus it might be.



come on mann....show some restraint...

Man, where have you been? Haven't seen you since 05.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich

Ok it is because of the martial arts that these characters are able to do their feats because if they did not know any martial arts then there would not be any feats for us to go by.
Did you not understand my post at all?

I'm with Shang Chi in this one. Throw in gadgets and the edge goes to Bats, but Shang Chi's even more focused on martial arts than he is and fights all kinds of tough foes.

Not by a lot, but edge to Chi.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm with Shang Chi in this one. Throw in gadgets and the edge goes to Bats, but Shang Chi's even more focused on martial arts than he is and fights all kinds of tough foes.

Not by a lot, but edge to Chi. so u think Daredevils h2h skillz is same lvl as Batman?

shang chi stomps if its HAND 2 HAND

In comics it does not matter how many martial art style a combatant knows; in battle it becomes irrelevant but their feats however are not. Is this what you are trying to convey?

You choose to ignore the martial arts styles that they know and focus solely on their feats. I on the other choose not to ignore their martial art styles because I use it to justify their feats.



I have been around

Originally posted by lifeisaglich

You choose to ignore the martial arts styles that they know and focus solely on their feats. I on the other choose not to ignore their martial art styles because I use it to justify their feats.



It's feats or nothing, how could it be any other way?

so by your logic if i know muay thai karate and brazilian jiu jitsu and i fight someone who know also tae kun do and judo he will be the better fighter just because he knows more styles? thats a very invalid thing to say because it depends on our skills and how we can aply them and how WELL do we know our styles who sayed batman knows them to the highest levels? how many years of training does he have? who said he perfected every style he knows? a yellow belt in karate also clasifies as someone who knows karate so what? its all about the skills and shang chi is the better fighter

bats

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
In comics it does not matter how many martial art style a combatant knows; in battle it becomes irrelevant but their feats however are not. Is this what you are trying to convey?

You choose to ignore the martial arts styles that they know and focus solely on their feats. I on the other choose not to ignore their martial art styles because I use it to justify their feats.


I choose to debate based on evidence, which is their feats.

A fighter can know 100 styles and be beaten by someone that only knows one if said fighter has more impressive feats.

What if the person you are fighting also know muay thai karate and brazilian jiu jitsu on top of this, this person also knows tae kun do and judo who do you think has the advantage?

Off course skill also apply but do you think it is wise to underestimate the skill level of someone who knows what you know and some other stuff that you might not know?

who said batman knows them to the highest levels? It is said that Batman is master of all forms of martial arts. Is there a level higher than master? Even chang chi is describe as has being a master of kung fu.

I belief batman to be the better fighter because he knows what chang chi knows and alot more.



Ok that means there is always a condition, for a person who knows less to beat someone who knows more. which is what I said a long time ago. We are on the same page but on different paragraphs.

*sigh*

Batman
Shang Chi is touted as one of Marvels top fighters, but has never beaten any hand to hand fighters on Batmans level

batman

Batman > Shang Chi in h2h feats, powers and abilities.




sources: over 5000 issues of 616 + Post Crisis on Multiple Earths DC Canon.

Originally posted by Samurai_X
Batman
Shang Chi is touted as one of Marvels top fighters, but has never beaten any hand to hand fighters on Batmans level

Is Daredevil above or below Batman's level? The reason I ask is because Shang-Chi was able to hold his own against Ghost Maker, yet Daredevil wasn't. That says a lot of Shang-Chi's skill as a fighter.

Shang-Chi

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Shang-Chi marvel biased as usual lol

Originally posted by Starscream M
marvel biased as usual lol
Yes clearly it because I am bias and not becuase Shang-chi a chi amper who can give him self significant stat advantage against an opponent who is already posses comparable MA skills to.



fallowing me around and attacking my posts as usual are we?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes clearly it because I am bias and not becuase Shang-chi a chi amper who can give him self significant stat advantage against an opponent who is already posses comparable MA skills to.



fallowing me around and attacking my posts as usual are we? shang chi is a d-lister at best

batman is a toptier fighter of his universe

you've always shortchanged batman for some reason

Originally posted by Starscream M
shang chi is a d-lister at best
was does popularity have to do with one abilities in a fight?

Originally posted by Starscream M
batman is a toptier fighter of his universe
So is Shang-chi........

Originally posted by Starscream M
you've always shortchanged batman for some reason
and your ignorant as usual.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
was does popularity have to do with one abilities in a fight?


So is Shang-chi........


and your ignorant as usual. being a d-lister means he doesn't have anywhere near as many impressive feats as batman does

batman is much more experienced and just as skilled

Originally posted by Starscream M
being a d-lister means he doesn't have anywhere near as many impressive feats as batman does

batman is much more experienced and just as skilled
No it means he not as popular. He certainly posses the feats dispite your ignorance.





He not much more experienced at all. Shang-chi been train since he could walk. if anything he be the more experienced. Shang-chi chi amping abilities are on another level. How does Batman plan to compensate for inferior physical abilities when they posses comparable h2h skill?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it means he not as popular. He certainly posses the feats dispite your ignorance.





He not much more experienced at all. Shang-chi been train since he could walk. if anything he be the more experienced. Shang-chi chi amping abilities are on another level. How does Batman plan to compensate for inferior physical abilities when they posses comparable h2h skill? batman doesn't have to compensate...he is not physically inferior by any means. they're both peak.

shang doesn't always amp and he can't do so in the middle of a fight.

Originally posted by Starscream M
batman doesn't have to compensate...he is not physically inferior by any means. they're both peak.

shang doesn't always amp and he can't do so in the middle of a fight.
Shang-chi can amp his physical stats to superhuman level.........




yes he can and yes he does. maybe you should read a comic with him in it.

Originally posted by chomperx9
give batman his belt and he wins but then Shang gonna steal that belt jus like KarateKid did

shang chi has done nothing in feats to suggest he deserves a victory over the bat.

Originally posted by namorsubby
shang chi has done nothing in feats to suggest he deserves a victory over the bat.
Yes he has though funny you consider feats now since you tend to ignore them when they go against your claims.

Unless were considering clearly pis batman feats like bat kicking top tiers to a KO lol.

shang chi with a stomp, the guy beat wolverine went toe 2 toe with iron fist and was considered a better fighter by black panther, wins most of his fights and is a solid fighter who almost never lost in a fight unlike batman who you see at one point being able to ko super heroes with a kick and then you see him lose to shiva and other martial artists in dc universe who can be easy matched by shang chi, i always saw shang chi as the light version of DC karate kid

shang chi can chi amp his power and abilities to super human states and even without his chi amping he was able to hurt the thing and destroy a doombot with his bare hands with the chi amp he was able to take hits from class 100 fighter something batman should never be able to do unless its a PIS

Everyone underestimates The Detective.

Originally posted by shiv
Everyone underestimates The Detective.

Are you f***ing kidding me?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes he has though funny you consider feats now since you tend to ignore them when they go against your claims.

Unless were considering clearly pis batman feats like bat kicking top tiers to a KO lol. feats are most important, unless they are PIS of course......a concept that is hard to grasp for some no doubt.lol

batman does way more amazing things routinely, no PIS needed at all. if we counted his PIS as valid this would be more of a spite match than Galactus vs shang chi.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby
if we counted his PIS as valid this would be more of a spite match than Galactus vs shang chi.lol

Galactus might get 6/10

he's never really shown the ability to take out highly skilled martial artists.

Just saying