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No Claws.

Ursa Major- http://marvel.com/universe/Ursa_Major

Why on earth no claws? Doesn't that put Wolvie at a serious disadvantage?

Originally posted by dmills
Why on earth no claws? Doesn't that put Wolvie at a serious disadvantage?

I wouldn't say that.

While in berserker rage Logan breaks free of Ursa Major's hold and throws him:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_First_Class_08_017.jpg
Credit goes to srank.

It would be a lot harder for Wolverine to put Ursa Major down without his claws. Still, adamantium-reinforced fists coupled with Wolverine's strength could allow him to bludgeon Ursa Major to death.

I'll have to think about this some more before deciding on an outcome.

So Wolverine can overpower 20 tonners now?

Originally posted by dmills
So Wolverine can overpower 20 tonners now?

We don't know how he broke free. Maybe he head-butted Ursus? Freed one arm and elbowed him? What is UM's best lifting feat anyway?

Logan fought heavy hitters w/o the use of claws before.

Depends on the version of Ursa actually, against most forms its possible Wolverine can take the majority but the upper levels of Ursa who has given She Hulk, Doc Samson, etc. troubles physically I highly doubt.

Intresting that they didn't show how he broke out. A head butt, adamantium or not, isn't going tp faze a full grown "regular" grizzly, let alone Ursa Major. I may have to call CIS on this one.

Bears>>>Wolverines.

Scientific fact.

^^^ After re-examining that link, it looks as though it was clearly intended to be a strength feat. Ursa even says, "Impossible!" "The strength of madness has made him unstoppable!". So yeah, it's CIS

Originally posted by illadelph12
Bears>>>Wolverines.

Scientific fact.

Apparently somebody didn't watch Red Dawn.

Ignorant uhuh

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We don't know how he broke free. Maybe he head-butted Ursus? Freed one arm and elbowed him? What is UM's best lifting feat anyway?

Logan fought heavy hitters w/o the use of claws before.
Logan broke free by strength, that was clearly implied.

Nor should it be a surprize he vastly stronger while berserker.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ After re-examining that link, it looks as though it was clearly intended to be a strength feat. Ursa even says, "Impossible!" "The strength of madness has made him unstoppable!". So yeah, it's CIS
that not cis. Nothing about there characters made them do anything stupid.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Bears>>>Wolverines.

Scientific fact.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine vs. Bears

Bears-shmears - Someone tell Steven Colbert, that Wolverine is the number one threat to America now.

Classic X-Men 25 (Backup Story):

Some hunter is tracking Wolverine across the tundra (he thinks Wolverine is a mythical creature like Big Foot). While Wolverine is distracted a bear attacks him, but he puts it down easily. Wolverine goes straight for the throat.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_024.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_025.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_026.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_028.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_029.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_030.jpg

I didn't want to separate this from the rest of the scans. The hunter shoots an arrow at Wolverine, who casually catches it out of the air and throws it back at the hunter (who is far enough away that he can't tell Wolverine is a man).

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_031.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_032.jpg

Weapon X TPB (Marvel Comics Presents v1 72-84):

The Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_058.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_059.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_060.jpg

Wolverine Firebreak 2008:

A blind Wolverine- who is on fire - fights a bear... a bear that's also on fire! How awesome is that? Despite being blind Wolverine pretty much oneshots it.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_Firebreak_2008_04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_Firebreak_2008_05.jpg

Wolverine v1 01:

Wolverine three shots a massive bear - each strike a kill shot. First he takes the bears arm off, fallows up with an evisceration than plunges his claws into the bears throat to finish him off. Logan attacks "too hard and fast" for the bear to react. Wolverine doesn't even get hit.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_v1_01_03.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_v1_01_04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_v1_01_05.jpg

Wolverine v2 110:

Bone claw Wolverine ko's a gaint demon possessed grizzly with his bear hands, no claws needed.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...ssedbearkj2.jpg

Originally posted by illadelph12
Bears>>>Wolverines.

Scientific fact.

I wouldn't be too sure about that:

Scans and commentary courtesy of srankmissingnin

Wolverine vs. Bears

Bears-shmears - Someone tell Steven Colbert, that Wolverine is the number one threat to America now.

Classic X-Men 25 (Backup Story):

Some hunter is tracking Wolverine across the tundra (he thinks Wolverine is a mythical creature like Big Foot). While Wolverine is distracted a bear attacks him, but he puts it down easily. Wolverine goes straight for the throat.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_024.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_025.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_026.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_028.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_029.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_030.jpg

I didn't want to separate this from the rest of the scans. The hunter shoots an arrow at Wolverine, who casually catches it out of the air and throws it back at the hunter (who is far enough away that he can't tell Wolverine is a man).

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_031.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Classic_X-Men_25_032.jpg

Weapon X TPB (Marvel Comics Presents v1 72-84):

The Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_058.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_059.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_060.jpg

Wolverine Firebreak 2008:

A blind Wolverine- who is on fire - fights a bear... a bear that's also on fire! How awesome is that? Despite being blind Wolverine pretty much oneshots it.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_Firebreak_2008_04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_Firebreak_2008_05.jpg

Wolverine v1 01:

Wolverine three shots a massive bear - each strike a kill shot. First he takes the bears arm off, fallows up with an evisceration than plunges his claws into the bears throat to finish him off. Logan attacks "too hard and fast" for the bear to react. Wolverine doesn't even get hit.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_v1_01_03.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_v1_01_04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Wolverine_v1_01_05.jpg

Wolverine v2 110:

Bone claw Wolverine ko's a gaint demon possessed grizzly with his bear hands, no claws needed.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...ssedbearkj2.jpg

lol this is pretty funny.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Bears>>>Wolverines.

Scientific fact.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Apparently somebody didn't watch Red Dawn.

Ignorant uhuh

Speaking of which Patrick Swayze died crybaby

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan broke free by strength, that was clearly implied.

Nor should it be a surprize he vastly stronger while berserker. Damn. Even stronger then class 15-20 ton beings?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
that not cis. Nothing about there characters made them do anything stupid. Gotcha. Though I must say that my definition of CIS may be a little broader then most on this forum. I include character inherent stupidity as well or characters consistently doing things they shouldn't be able to do i.e. Squirrel girl, and RULK. There's a certain amount of BS that comes along with the character that we just except as hyperbole and move on.

There is no way Wolverine should be able to out-muscle and overpower Ursa Major. But because it's Wolverine we just roll with it because we come to expect Wolverine to do things that are well beyond his abilities.

Well, considering Wolverine routinely fights CL 100's, a CL 15 is no real thing, especially when the CL 15 in question, is in the form of a bear, with no resistance to adamatium claws, and no way to permanently damage him.

Squirrel Girl does stuff like that because the creators just think it's funny, Rulk is like that because Loeb writes him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well, considering Wolverine routinely fights CL 100's, a CL 15 is no real thing, especially when the CL 15 in question, is in the form of a bear, with no resistance to adamatium claws, and no way to permanently damage him.

Squirrel Girl does stuff like that because the creators just think it's funny, Rulk is like that because Loeb writes him. I totally get that. I just think it's an inherently stupid aspect of the Wolverine character. Anybody above class 10 should be able to trash him. But as you said he routinely battles class 100 level characters because he's Wolverine. Just my opinion of course.

Plus he had Wolverine in a ... BEAR HUG! Get it?! Bear Hug?! LOL!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
that not cis. Nothing about there characters made them do anything stupid.

I am calling PIS on that. Wolverine is now breaking free from a character that scraps with She-Hulk and so forth?

Um, yeah ok.

logan has headbutted hulk and appeared to break his nose and broke his grip on logan, logan has dropped kicked the thing in the head and jossled his @$$.....he has punched rogue through a wall and has also knocked out rough house as well.......... ursa major has no chance of staying conscious with logans haymakers

Originally posted by tkitna
I am calling PIS on that. Wolverine is now breaking free from a character that scraps with She-Hulk and so forth?

Um, yeah ok.

She-Hulk said she was having trouble restraining Wolverine herself, and that was back in 87.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She-Hulk said she was having trouble restraining Wolverine herself, and that was back in 87.

she also said she think she got a concussion from an accidental head butt from logan when they were tossed by wendigo

Originally posted by tkitna
I am calling PIS on that. Wolverine is now breaking free from a character that scraps with She-Hulk and so forth?

Um, yeah ok.

But I wouldn't call that PIS because the plot wasn't made to fit around it nor did it affect the overall plot. It was CIS because it's an inherently stupid aspect of the Wolverine character. That's why when I saw that scan it didn't suprise me at all. After all these years I've just come to expect Wolverine to be able to do stupid shit that he shouldn't be able to do.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
logan has headbutted hulk and appeared to break his nose and broke his grip on logan, logan has dropped kicked the thing in the head and jossled his @$$.....he has punched rogue through a wall and has also knocked out rough house as well.......... ursa major has no chance of staying conscious with logans haymakers And I call BS on all of the above mentioned feats. But that's Wolverine for ya.

Originally posted by dmills
Anybody above class 10 should be able to trash him.

Hell yeah! Fck speed, agility, reflexes and fighting skills. Strength is the only thing that counts!!!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hell yeah! Fck speed, agility, reflexes and fighting skills. Strength is the only thing that counts!!!

F@ck that shit, speed, agility, reflexes and fighting skills are for pussies! Ever heard of Ursa Major, huh, jerk? He is totally strong! He'll punch Wolverine's balls off.

What size straight jackets do you guy's wear again?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Bears>>>Wolverines.

Scientific fact. on paper yes, but up north bears get chased off of fresh kills by those little bastards.

Snowbird in form of canadian wolverine freaking killed Wendigo.
Wolverines are THAT badass.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Snowbird in form of canadian wolverine freaking killed Wendigo.

Didn't kill him.

Wolverine's and Tazmanian Devils are two lil bastards I would never mess with in nature. Badgers either.

Originally posted by dmills
Why on earth no claws? Doesn't that put Wolvie at a serious disadvantage?

Nope, Just go and read Wolverine: Manifest Destiny for proof.

Originally posted by dmills


There is no way Wolverine should be able to out-muscle and overpower Ursa Major. But because it's Wolverine we just roll with it because we come to expect Wolverine to do things that are well beyond his abilities.
except it not for Berserker Wolverine. Which has been stated is equivilant to giving him boat load of zap pills.

So beserker Wolverine should be that strong?

He goes from just above a normal human to a 20 tonner?

Well, regular Wolverine has a few tons under his belt, maybe 2 or 3.

I know Wolverine is strong, but beserker or not he ain't a 15-20 tonner.

I never said that, he might gain Class 15-20 cutting ability, but not strength.

Originally posted by dmills
I know Wolverine is strong, but beserker or not he ain't a 15-20 tonner.
have you ever seen fully berserker wolverine? doubtful you have. He an utter beast, some of his feats include over powering to meta humans at the same time, punching someone thrity plus feet in the air ect.

Originally posted by tkitna
So beserker Wolverine should be that strong?

He goes from just above a normal human to a 20 tonner?

just above human? he 2 plus tonner easily....... while not berserker.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
except it not for Berserker Wolverine. Which has been stated is equivilant to giving him boat load of zap pills.

Ursa wins. But not without some damage.

Wolverine ko'ed Roughouse bare knuckle, he'll do the same to Ursa.

Ursa really has no chance, Logan will more than likely cut his claws off, then gut him.

^^^The OP said no claws. So it's just strength vs strength skill vs skill. I called bs on the scan of "Wolvie breaking out of Ursa's "BEAR" hug. IMO w/o claws wolvie is in trouble here.

Makes it easier for Ursa.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine ko'ed Roughouse bare knuckle, he'll do the same to Ursa.

/thread

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine ko'ed Roughouse bare knuckle, he'll do the same to Ursa.

Heh, I knew someone would eventually mention that. One of my favorite fights from that era.

Agreed.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^The OP said no claws. So it's just strength vs strength skill vs skill. I called bs on the scan of "Wolvie breaking out of Ursa's "BEAR" hug. IMO w/o claws wolvie is in trouble here.

Of course you do realize that the only reason why Logan got in that bear hug is because he was preoccupied fighting Vanguard?

Originally posted by dmills
^^^The OP said no claws. So it's just strength vs strength skill vs skill. I called bs on the scan of "Wolvie breaking out of Ursa's "BEAR" hug. IMO w/o claws wolvie is in trouble here.
except it not, it a fact berserker wolverine is a lot stronger then normal.

Hell even spiderman who does not posses the ability to go berserker. But he can get much stronger when angry, well beyond his normal strength level.

to pretend like wolverine doing so when it a stated known fact that berserker wolverine enahcnes all his abilities is being ignorant.

Wolverine's berserker rage is like Thor's warrior madness, Slaine's warp spasms, and The Bloody-Nine's berserker rage; like the rage of the Norse warriors of legend, not some pussy temper tantrum. The equivalent of days of combat compressed into minutes, and a Olympic athlete preforming a gold medal routine while simultaneously beating three supercomputers at chest in your head. There is a reason Pro. X shit him self the first time he saw it. It's bad news.

I don't disagree that he did it. As I said before I just think it's fu#ing retarded and doesn't make much sense to me. Him doing things such as ko'ing Roughhouse are just plain stupid IMO. Just IMO.

Logan could always let Ursa bite his arm, then rip his tongue out.

Originally posted by dmills
I don't disagree that he did it. As I said before I just think it's fu#ing retarded and doesn't make much sense to me. Him doing things such as ko'ing Roughhouse are just plain stupid IMO. Just IMO.
To bad I dont need your opinion when I have facts, evidences ect.


think it stupid all you want, it happen numerous times.

Lol this end just like when wolverine fought calibian.

He could simply slug him or he could do pressure points

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine's berserker rage is like Thor's warrior madness, Slaine's warp spasms, and The Bloody-Nine's berserker rage; like the rage of the Norse warriors of legend, not some pussy temper tantrum. The equivalent of days of combat compressed into minutes, and a Olympic athlete preforming a gold medal routine while simultaneously beating three supercomputers at chest in your head. There is a reason Pro. X shit him self the first time he saw it. It's bad news. wolverine is less skilled in berserker mode though

Originally posted by Starscream M
wolverine is less skilled in berserker mode though

Not anymore. Apparently now he is actually faster, stronger and EVEN MORE skilled when in berserker mode. Imagine that.

Double post opps.

Originally posted by dmills
Not anymore. Apparently now he is actually EVEN MORE skilled when in berserker mode. Imagine that. since when? he becomes more animal like when berserker...he doesn't think as clearly...otherwise, its not really berserker

u guys should just make ur own hate thread instead of bringing it here, especially when logan has consistently perform feats that u call pis b/c of ur imaginary lvl u think he should be.

if any of u guys bothered to read wolverine comics for more then just the last decade u would know logan doesnt get sloppy in berserker mode.......... he compresses all his fighting skill and fights on pure instinct it just looks like he is going wild b/c ppl cant see the complicated moves he is doing and simply seems like he is just hacking clawing and kicking........

Originally posted by Starscream M
wolverine is less skilled in berserker mode though

lulz

If you're basing that off Guggenheim's arc, you should know that he still has much to learn about Logan. Just like you.

Originally posted by dmills
Not anymore. Apparently now he is actually EVEN MORE skilled when in berserker mode. Imagine that.

"Not anymore"? It always worked like that. Read some comics.

Originally posted by Starscream M
since when? he becomes more animal like when berserker...he doesn't think as clearly...otherwise, its not really berserker

He can't resist the killing urge while berserker, that's all.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
To bad I dont need your opinion when I have facts, evidences ect. I know you do. It's called circular reasoning. You bring up scans and such of Wolverine doing a bunch of feats that I think are stupid. The fact that they're stupid doesn't change the fact that he did them. Just like it doesn't change my opinion that Wolverine by and large has become an inherently stupid character for the most part.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

He can't resist the killing urge while berserker, that's all. he becomes more feral and animal like during berserker, and he relies more on instinct than experience...hence being less skilled.

logan was designed by the creators to be more then what current writers write him as.... hence why his early stories and mid between has logan with legitimate super strength, reflex/speed on par with early spider man......... ur mad and think its stupid b/c u lack actual knowledge of the character and have missed over thirty yrs of wolverine mythos and base ur opinion on modern ignorant writers........

logan berserker mode improves his reaction time, strength reflex, killer instinct....

1. he some times dodges or takes the hit to kill his opponent.

2. he stealth/kills/MA fights at an accelerated lvl.....

3. logan sees red and cant control how his body responds, sometimes he enjoys it when he hates his enemy sometimes he blacks out.....

4. the onset of the berserker mode is a sadistic grin and growl, he doesnt always slopper like a dog and chuck doodoo like some ppl want him to be in that mode....hell some times he is eerily quite and lacks any emotion like he is brain washed as when wpn X use to use him for assasinations

5. P.S. forgot take note key words here: instinctual preprogrammed moves at an accelerated rate....... equivelent to an olympic athlete playing multiple chess games in his head while doing his routine...... muscle memory logan: i dont have to think about my attack or defense muscle memory it allows him to think of other thinks while in mid battle....this while fighting multiple high end MA fighters: death, shingen, shogun

Originally posted by Starscream M
wolverine is less skilled in berserker mode though
No he not, though I am far from surprize you say such a thing.

Originally posted by dmills
Not anymore. Apparently now he is actually faster, stronger and EVEN MORE skilled when in berserker mode. Imagine that.
Not anymore? he always been as skilled.

it not a now it an always been.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he becomes more feral and animal like during berserker, and he relies more on instinct than experience...hence being less skilled.

Like when he owned Crimson Dynamo, Ogun or Mister X?

His instincts are honed and tempered by his great MA knowledge, it was stated on panel.

Originally posted by dmills
I know you do. It's called circular reasoning. You bring up scans and such of Wolverine doing a bunch of feats that I think are stupid. The fact that they're stupid doesn't change the fact that he did them. Just like it doesn't change my opinion that Wolverine by and large has become an inherently stupid character for the most part.
most of the feats I was referring to happen late 80's early 90's there not new, but of course you think that, your knowledge of wolverine is limited.

yea I uses evidences to support my points. you write them off as being stupid and ignore them which is simply u allowing your bias to effect your opinion on the fact rather then looking at the facts.

when i start hearing comments like theirs i check to see how long they bn on............ usually to no surprise they are fairly new..... then of course u have others that we have learn to tolerate for example the transformer avatar guy........its has bn the same argument with him for over a yr now.... i think they sometimes act this way not b/c they dont know or lack knowledge but just to annoy ppl... after all how many times and how many yrs can u have the same argument and questions about the same thing....

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
logan was designed by the creators to be more then what current writers write him as.... hence why his early stories and mid between has logan with legitimate super strength, reflex/speed on par with early spider man......... ur mad and think its stupid b/c u lack actual knowledge of the character and have missed over thirty yrs of wolverine mythos and base ur opinion on modern ignorant writers........

logan berserker mode improves his reaction time, strength reflex, killer instinct....

1. he some times dodges or takes the hit to kill his opponent.

2. he stealth/kills/MA fights at an accelerated lvl.....

3. logan sees red and cant control how his body responds, sometimes he enjoys it when he hates his enemy sometimes he blacks out.....

4. the onset of the berserker mode is a sadistic grin and growl, he doesnt always slopper like a dog and chuck doodoo like some ppl want him to be in that mode....hell some times he is eerily quite and lacks any emotion like he is brain washed as when wpn X use to use him for assasinations

5. P.S. forgot take note key words here: instinctual preprogrammed moves at an accelerated rate....... equivelent to an olympic athlete playing multiple chess games in his head while doing his routine...... muscle memory logan: i dont have to think about my attack or defense muscle memory it allows him to think of other thinks while in mid battle....this while fighting multiple high end MA fighters: death, shingen, shogun

The funny thing about it is that I think that's the cool stuff about him. I love everything you described. But that doesn't change the fact that he is often depicted doing things that are well beyond a character of his skill set. I mean come on, KOing Roughhouse bare knuckled?! Roughhouse is a class 50 being with the durability of an Asgardian rock troll and Wolverine KOed him?! Even the most ardent Wolverine fan has to admit the absurdity of that feat.

Originally posted by dmills
The funny thing about it is that I think that's the cool stuff about him. I love everything you described. But that doesn't change the fact that he is often depicted doing things that are well beyond a character of his skill set. I mean come on, KOing Roughhouse bare knuckled?! Roughhouse is a class 50 being with the durability of an Asgardian rock troll and Wolverine KOed him?! Even the most ardent Wolverine fan has to admit the absurdity of that feat.
He class 75 plus actaully.


Rough houses is not even bullet proof and rock trolls arnt either good read up on the characters before speaking.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when i start hearing comments like theirs i check to see how long they bn on............ usually to no surprise they are fairly new..... then of course u have others that we have learn to tolerate for example the transformer avatar guy........its has bn the same argument with him for over a yr now.... i think they sometimes act this way not b/c they dont know or lack knowledge but just to annoy ppl... after all how many times and how many yrs can u have the same argument and questions about the same thing.... Look pal you don't have to get all Lord of the Flies with me. I'm not a NOOB looking to invade your turf. Relax.

Originally posted by dmills
Look pal you don't have to get all Lord of the Flies with me. I'm not a NOOB looking to invade your turf. Relax.
your a noob making ignorant coments at every turn and actaing like we are being rediculous because we actaully you know have read the characters and know there powerset and dont talk out you know like some one we know

you need to read up on the characters your debating becuase I corrected you several times and each time you ben quite surprized about the infor being presented to you.

Originally posted by dmills
The funny thing about it is that I think that's the cool stuff about him. I love everything you described. But that doesn't change the fact that he is often depicted doing things that are well beyond a character of his skill set. I mean come on, KOing Roughhouse bare knuckled?! Roughhouse is a class 50 being with the durability of an Asgardian rock troll and Wolverine KOed him?! Even the most ardent Wolverine fan has to admit the absurdity of that feat.

He has superhuman stats.

Logan's adamantium skeleton works like a very advanced action figure, his limbs, etc. can't be ripped apart.

He hurt Spider-Man with his index finger.

Fighting skills 7/7. Shang-Chi fought The Thing and his skeleton isn't laced with adamantium, nor is he endowed with a regenerative healing factor.

ps: Lord of the fly refrences lost on me I never read it for summer reading I had this thing called a live......

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He class 75 plus actaully.


Rough houses is not even bullet proof and rock trolls arnt either good read up on the characters before speaking.

Huh??? Roughhouse isn't bullet proof? Rock Trolls aren't that good? Ever heard of Ulik? Rock Trolls are like most beings that dwell in Asgard, extremely durable. At least class 5.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He has superhuman stats.

Logan's adamantium skeleton works like a very advanced action figure, his limbs, etc. can't be ripped apart.

He hurt Spider-Man with his index finger.

Fighting skills 7/7. Shang-Chi fought The Thing and his skeleton isn't laced with adamantium, nor is he endowed with a regenerative healing factor. Shang-chi should have been splattered in less then one panel.

Originally posted by dmills
Huh??? Roughhouse isn't bullet proof? Rock Trolls aren't that good? Ever heard of Ulik? Rock Trolls are like most beings that dwell in Asgard, extremely durable. At least class 5.

Ulik is stronger than most rock trolls

Originally posted by dmills
Shang-chi should have been splattered in less then one panel.

Ben is not a killer and he'd have to connect first facepalm

Originally posted by dmills
Huh??? Roughhouse isn't bullet proof? Rock Trolls aren't that good? Ever heard of Ulik? Rock Trolls are like most beings that dwell in Asgard, extremely durable. At least class 5.
No I said in general there not bullet proof which is true, dispite a few exceptions.

No rough house aint bullet proof.

class 5 dont make you bullet proof.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ulik is stronger than most rock trolls



Ben is not a killer and he'd have to connect first facepalm
his ignorances is amusing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
his ignorances is amusing.

Oh yes, it is.

can logan go into bezerker mode in this fight? i thought he would be normal in forum fights unless specified in the op, kind of like wm for thor.

No he won't be berserker not that he needs it.

True. He's beaten Roughouse w/o resorting to berserker rage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ulik is stronger than most rock trolls



Ben is not a killer and he'd have to connect first facepalm I know that. Just sayin

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh yes, it is. Oh God here we go. I'm being civil here, do we want to start with insults now?

Anyway back on topic. So for the record, you guy's think that Wolverine beats Ursa major without claws or berserker rage?

Originally posted by dmills
Oh God here we go. I'm being civil here, do we want to start with insults now?

no one is trying to be rude here, usually this site is more mellow and thought provoking then what it has bn in this thread......

not pointing fingers but, well we are use to ppl being more mature and making valid thought out points rather then insulting characters and their abilities simply b/c of personal prejudice....

some of us put aside our favoritism to give an unbias opinion, something this thread and some ppl are lacking....

their are other sites that are less well mellow where ppl can spam, and spew hate threads all they want....

comicvine for one is an interesting site for some, with less structure for some ppl...

Originally posted by dmills
Oh God here we go. I'm being civil here, do we want to start with insults now?

Then next time don't compare Ulik to the average rock troll. It's like comparing Namor to the average Atlantean.

And there are not so many Class 5 beings with bulletproof skin, really.

If you know that Ben would have a hard time tagging Shang, then why did you say he'd get splattered in less than one panel? Also, he has the uncanny chi ability which allows him to equally distribute the trauma over his body. Add this to the rolling with punches technique and he's not going to get one-shotted, believe me.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no one is trying to be rude here, usually this site is more mellow and thought provoking then what it has bn in this thread......

not pointing fingers but, well we are use to ppl being more mature and making valid thought out points rather then insulting characters and their abilities simply b/c of personal prejudice....

some of us put aside our favoritism to give an unbias opinion, something this thread and some ppl are lacking....

their are other sites that are less well mellow where ppl can spam, and spew hate threads all they want....

comicvine for one is an interesting site for some, with less structure for some ppl...

Even though your post is dripping with condescension I'll bite. No one in this debate is giving an unbiased opinion. We all have characters that we like, dislike etc. I gave my OPINION on the OP's thread, you gave yours. That's it. We don't need to take it any further then that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Then next time don't compare Ulik to the average rock troll. It's like comparing Namor to the average Atlantean.

And there are not so many Class 5 beings with bulletproof skin, really.

If you know that Ben would have a hard time tagging Shang, then why did you say he'd get splattered in less than one panel? Also, he has the uncanny chi ability which allows him to equally distribute the trauma over his body. Add this to the rolling with punches technique and he's not going to get one-shotted, believe me. I didn't compare Ulik to the average Rock troll. Battlehammer said rock trolls aren't that impressive and I asked him had he ever heard of Ulik. Stop obfuscating.

As far as class 5 durability I think you may have me on that. As far as I remember class 5 durability used to mean bullet proof. Doesn't really matter either way because it was a small point to illustrate a larger picture.

As far as Ben vs Shang-chi... I'm not even going to touch it. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Wrong thread

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no one is trying to be rude here, usually this site is more mellow and thought provoking then what it has bn in this thread......

not pointing fingers but, well we are use to ppl being more mature and making valid thought out points rather then insulting characters and their abilities simply b/c of personal prejudice....

some of us put aside our favoritism to give an unbias opinion, something this thread and some ppl are lacking....

their are other sites that are less well mellow where ppl can spam, and spew hate threads all they want....

comicvine for one is an interesting site for some, with less structure for some ppl...

Are you kidding me?! Unbiased opinion? If I go and check your post history how many Wolverine vs threads would I find with you picking Wolverine to lose? Not many I'd wager. So don't talk to me about unbiased and objective.

Some people aren't bullet proof, no matter class. Tigra's like Class 20, she's not bullet proof, same thing with Sunspot and others.

I gotcha D19

Originally posted by dmills
I didn't compare Ulik to the average Rock troll. Battlehammer said rock trolls aren't that impressive and I asked him had he ever heard of Ulik. Stop obfuscating.

actaully I said this

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He class 75 plus actaully.


Rough houses is not even bullet proof and rock trolls arnt either good read up on the characters before speaking.


and I clearly ment to say go not good. Either way you read it I was not saying they werent impressive, all I said was that they arnt bullet proof

dont put words in my mouth and go actually provide evidences for your opinion asside from bias.

well i dont know people.... wolverine did get owned by a muse

no he dident, he was training some one and faked to be injuried to test his trainy, come on context people

Originally posted by mummy_guy
well i dont know people.... wolverine did get owned by a muse

He got kicked by a moose (which is how you spell that word btw)... and was fine.

Wolverine was also kicked across the world by Gorgon, and he was just fine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
F@ck that shit, speed, agility, reflexes and fighting skills are for pussies! Ever heard of Ursa Major, huh, jerk? He is totally strong! He'll punch Wolverine's balls off.




I loled at this for about 2 minutes straight no joke.

Originally posted by jinzin



I loled at this for about 2 minutes straight no joke.

Muscels >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All! Hulk wins!

I just want to fit in with the rest of KMC.

but wolverine got owned by a moose

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