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For those of you who are unfamiliar with Terra, he is an optional boss in KH2 final mix, as well as the main protagonist in Birth by Sleep. In his boss fight he appears to much stronger and faster than Sora, as well as knowing more about the Keyblade's true powers. For more detail into this characters powers please watch the video linked here and here. As a final note i would like to set a special rule in this thread that is while Terra has not displayed the ability to use the Keyblades magical powers (ice, lightning, shield etc) please for this thread at least assume he can use them.

Round 1 Terra fights Auron

Round 2 Terra fights Link

Round 3 Terra fights Kratos

Round 4 Terra fights Nightmare

Round 5 Terra fights KH2 Sephiroth

Round 6 Terra fights Kain

Round 7 Terra fights Jack of Blades

Round 8 Terra fights Wesker

Round 9 Terra fights Illidan Stormrage


Special rules:

All characters are limited to their physical capabilities, self teleportation and projectile attacks. TK, Time powers, power absorbing, dimension and Soul powers are excluded even if they fall into a category above.

Terra has a 5 minute break inbetween each round

1. He's faster and more versatile than Auron. He wins.

2. It really depends which Link he's against. I'm gonna use the current console Link (TP) and give this fight to Terra since he'll be able to dodge his projectiles, has the superior speed and projectiles, and he won't be able to recieve the full damage of the Master Sword due to him not being evil.

3. Kratos takes this. All he needs is his Athena Blades and Zeus thunderbolts / Typhon's Bow. If Terra happened to be near him, he's gonna recieve major damage.

Okay let's see;

1. I think Auron would put up a fight, but ultimately yeah, Terra takes it. I was originally going to make it so he has 5 minutes to beat each person before the next attacked, but then there would have been a bit too much infomation to consider so there are some fights in this that are a bit.... one sided now.

2. Yes i should have specified to be honest. But yes i did mean to say it is Twilight Princess Link. Again, I think Terra would take it. More from ABC logic admitidly. I feel Sora would take Link (imo pretty easily, but beside the point) and Terra is stronger than Sora.

3. Eh..... This isn't God Kratos. So i'm not sure Kratos can win. I think Terra would just overwhelm him. I won't pretend to know it, but i think Terra is stronger than Kratos, and he certainly seems to be faster. Combined with his other ability, in specifically his teleportation powers i would go with Terra.

4. Nightmare should probablyt be before Kratos thinking about it. But too late for that now. I think Nightmare might be stronger this time, atleast from what i remember of the character. But slower than Kratos i think he would be an easier Fight than Kratos. So assuming Terra would be Kratos i think he would take down Nightmare.

5. Yeah, the order is pretty off. If he beat the 2 before Seph he'd take him down i think.

6. Eh, mmm, well it would be interesting. Honestly i'm not sure. I think Kain possess abilities that would make the fight last long, and be difficult for Terra to win. He also possess powers enough to be dangerous to Terra. But i don't think Kain would win ultimately. He's slower and weaker than Terra, and that's what i'm going with ultimately, since Terra possess powers to fend off Kain power magic. I would then assume Terra can win by blade crossing.

7. Assuming Jack doesn't act like he does in Fable, and is actually using his powers to their full extent, forgot to mention than in the OP. Since he is a bit of a twit in Fable. Again, i think if Terra would have gotten this far he can probably take Jack..... probably.

8. I'm doubtful from what i've seen from Wesker, though to be honest i really don't know that much.

9. I don't think he beats Illidan.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
For those of you who are unfamiliar with Terra, he is an optional boss in KH2 final mix, as well as the main protagonist in Birth by Sleep. In his boss fight he appears to much stronger and faster than Sora, as well as knowing more about the Keyblade's true powers. For more detail into this characters powers please watch the video linked here and here. As a final note i would like to set a special rule in this thread that is while Terra has not displayed the ability to use the Keyblades magical powers (ice, lightning, shield etc) please for this thread at least assume he can use them.

Round 1 Terra fights Auron

Round 2 Terra fights Link

Round 3 Terra fights Kratos

Round 4 Terra fights Nightmare

Round 5 Terra fights KH2 Sephiroth

Round 6 Terra fights Kain

Round 7 Terra fights Jack of Blades

Round 8 Terra fights Wesker

Round 9 Terra fights Illidan Stormrage


Special rules:

All characters are limited to their physical capabilities, self teleportation and projectile attacks. TK, Time powers, power absorbing, dimension and Soul powers are excluded even if they fall into a category above.

Terra has a 5 minute break inbetween each round

Round 1: Probably Terra based solely on plot placement and the assumption that this is KH2 Auron.

Round 2: Link's magic armor can only hold out for so long before running out or rupees. The most powerful characters any Link has ever beaten were due to plot device over anything else (then again, not nearly as much in the face of KH or any Square-produced RPG).

Round 3: It won't take a God of War Kratos to win this, frankly. He's faced teleporters before, and has magic that puts alot of KH spells to shame in terms of sheer offensive capabilities. And no, no Keyblade/hyperbole wielder has yet shown feats of strength that outshine any of Kratos' best, let alone that of at least one other GoW character.

Round 4: I'm not about to say that a nigh-featless villain like Nightmare would be very formiddable in very many scenarios. Not to say that very many SC characters aren't totally featless.

Round 5: It really depends on what they were trying to make of Sephiroth by plot standards. I'm inclined to say that the real Sephiroth is stronger than KH2 Seph, based mainly on developer confirmations. Again, I think plot matters more to this fight than whatever intentions the developers had making the boss fights or something.

Round 6: No comment.

Round 7: No comment.

Round 8: Wesker's a low-level superhuman at best. The most he has going for him is his very impressive speed and fighting skills. It's obvious he could've stopped and killed any of his enemies at any time during the series. That's a pretty common flaw amongst alot of villains; they're obviously the strongest characters to come out of their respective movies/video games/comic books/etc., but are too overconfident to think that they'd need to impede their enemies' progress, or are just plain unaware of their enemies and the progress they make.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06

Round 3: It won't take a God of War Kratos to win this, frankly. He's faced teleporters before, and has magic that puts alot of KH spells to shame in terms of sheer offensive capabilities. And no, no Keyblade/hyperbole wielder has yet shown feats of strength that outshine any of Kratos' best, let alone that of at least one other GoW character.



What's Kratos's feat of strength then?

Terra is physically stronger and faster than Sora. Who cut large buildings to bits then smashed them with enough force to ride them towards gigantic nobodies. So maybe that doesn't beat Kratos's strength, but it doesn't actually need to.

Terra is so much faster than Kratos in combat that that's all it will come down to.

Also I've never seen Kratos beat someone who uses teleportation like Terra does.

Kratos tossed a Godzilla-sized, Godly-empowered statue to the ground with his bare hands after catchting its foot from crushing him. He's also manhandled the head of an island-sized Hydra before pulling the head down onto a sharpened mast in an arguably less-powerful state than the aforementioned feat, and also whitstood Atlas trying to crush Kratos between his fingers. For the sake of reference, Atlas in GoW holds up the entire earth from the underworld. He regularly overpowers large beasts and pretty easily rips off limbs or heads, and tears bodies apart. Also worth noting is his Rage forms.

Speed doesn't mean jack when the scale of the other's best attacks border AoE or are outright instant themselves.

Charon in CoO had shown virtually instantaneous movement in his cutscenes, Ares regularly teleported/flew around throughout their fight, Persephone had at least one showing of warping/teleporting, and Zeus as well.

When i first saw the name Terra for this vs's i was thinking of the one from Final Fantasy 6

He stops at Kratos, who would tear Terra in two.

Jack of Blades according to lore SHOULD win. He and the other two members of the court were able to literally burn all of Albion until it was charred black and the sky was thick with smoke, he lifted the sea into the sky and flooded it, and finally they were able to twist the minds of the entire country to insanity. Jack from lore is leet.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Kratos tossed a Godzilla-sized, Godly-empowered statue to the ground with his bare hands after catchting its foot from crushing him. He's also manhandled the head of an island-sized Hydra before pulling the head down onto a sharpened mast in an arguably less-powerful state than the aforementioned feat, and also whitstood Atlas trying to crush Kratos between his fingers. For the sake of reference, Atlas in GoW holds up the entire earth from the underworld. He regularly overpowers large beasts and pretty easily rips off limbs or heads, and tears bodies apart. Also worth noting is his Rage forms.

Speed doesn't mean jack when the scale of the other's best attacks border AoE or are outright instant themselves.

Charon in CoO had shown virtually instantaneous movement in his cutscenes, Ares regularly teleported/flew around throughout their fight, Persephone had at least one showing of warping/teleporting, and Zeus as well.

Most of those would depend how strong the enemy was. Something we can't compare to Terra -.-' In the first example he sounds stronger than Terra, but he size of the statue is too vague. For a video of the kind of strength Terra posses please watch 2:00 - 2:22 of this video. Please note not only how he cuts through several large buildings, but also bashes them towards the boss, allowing him to ride them to get to the boss. Which maybe that isn't as strong as Kratos, maybe, but it's strong enough for him to be a worthy opponent.

To be honest the moment you said speed doesn't matter i consider this debate over. Of course it matters, how could it not. Most of Terra's fighting will be magical attacks and hit and run attacks that are pretty fast. If that doesn't work he goes crazy with the teleporting. And i looking up all of those bosses. None of them are anywhere close to what Terra does. So Kratos has never fought something like Terra before. He teleports all around you including above you, slashing multiple times a second as well as using magic attacks on you. Something i have yet to see Kratos deal with.

if he can survive Auron's mind and power break and still win. then he will lose his next fight, since you said nothing of recovery. TP Link can reflect projectiles with his sword and shield and can counter speed with his mortal draw tech. 2 is as far as he gets. Link should at least be 7.
Wesker and Nightmare are 1 and 2

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Most of those would depend how strong the enemy was. Something we can't compare to Terra -.-' In the first example he sounds stronger than Terra, but he size of the statue is too vague. For a video of the kind of strength Terra posses please watch 2:00 - 2:22 of this video. Please note not only how he cuts through several large buildings, but also bashes them towards the boss, allowing him to ride them to get to the boss. Which maybe that isn't as strong as Kratos, maybe, but it's strong enough for him to be a worthy opponent.

To be honest the moment you said speed doesn't matter i consider this debate over. Of course it matters, how could it not. Most of Terra's fighting will be magical attacks and hit and run attacks that are pretty fast. If that doesn't work he goes crazy with the teleporting. And i looking up all of those bosses. None of them are anywhere close to what Terra does. So Kratos has never fought something like Terra before. He teleports all around you including above you, slashing multiple times a second as well as using magic attacks on you. Something i have yet to see Kratos deal with.

How describing a statue being roughly the size of Godzilla being vague is a mystery to me. Unless you don't know the size of Godzilla, because canonically his height, depending on the conitnuity, ranged from 50, 80, to 100 meters, the latter which is about 320 feet give or take. The colossus is easily between 80 and 100 meters. Hell the Hydra head was probably a good 50 meters. I'm also really not impressed by what you presented in the video, as it's a prime example of what I mean when I say a Keyblade wielder's best feats are due to the Keyblade before their actual abilities. As soon as he throws something like that with his bare hands, then I'll be inclined to say that he or Terra would be a match for Kratos physically.

It actually really is that simple. Aside form the fact that KH's gameplay revolves almost mainly around pure hyperbole and exagerration, the fact remains that Kratos' best spells are yet to be outweighed by what I'd seen Terra do, and any magic Terra has, Kratos has at least two means to counter it and send it straight back at him. Seeing as what we see of the characters in actual cinema often end up not nearly as over the top as in gameplay, it doesn't take much to deduce that alot of what they do in game can't be done canonically. And as far as weapons are concerned, the Blade of Olympus pretty much spits of whatever it is any Keyblade's ever done. One swing of it and Terra will end up a pile of blood-soaked armor (might I also mention the attack itself was practically city-scaping, not counting the nigh-world scaping blast tha banished the Titans to the underworld in one move).

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
How describing a statue being roughly the size of Godzilla being vague is a mystery to me. Unless you don't know the size of Godzilla, because canonically his height, depending on the conitnuity, ranged from 50, 80, to 100 meters, the latter which is about 320 feet give or take. The colossus is easily between 80 and 100 meters. Hell the Hydra head was probably a good 50 meters. I'm also really not impressed by what you presented in the video, as it's a prime example of what I mean when I say a Keyblade wielder's best feats are due to the Keyblade before their actual abilities. As soon as he throws something like that with his bare hands, then I'll be inclined to say that he or Terra would be a match for Kratos physically.

It actually really is that simple. Aside form the fact that KH's gameplay revolves almost mainly around pure hyperbole and exagerration, the fact remains that Kratos' best spells are yet to be outweighed by what I'd seen Terra do, and any magic Terra has, Kratos has at least two means to counter it and send it straight back at him. Seeing as what we see of the characters in actual cinema often end up not nearly as over the top as in gameplay, it doesn't take much to deduce that alot of what they do in game can't be done canonically. And as far as weapons are concerned, the Blade of Olympus pretty much spits of whatever it is any Keyblade's ever done. One swing of it and Terra will end up a pile of blood-soaked armor (might I also mention the attack itself was practically city-scaping, not counting the nigh-world scaping blast tha banished the Titans to the underworld in one move).


Which godzilla movie are you even referring to? Are you aware in the originals the monsters size varies massively. In some scenes he's only the size of an apartment block, in others he's peering over mountains. Just give me feet or meters if you can estimate it. It's so much simpler.

Yeah great. Irrelevant too. He'll be wielding the keyblade the whole time, so those strength feats are applicable. And it's a theme throughout the whole of kingdom hearts that the Keyblade is a powerful weapon so of course it amps their powers that's the point of the weapon. Now if you're finished dodging points maybe you'll want to actually debate why Kratos should win. He's allot slower, not strong enough to be immune to Terra's attacks, and has no experience fighting someone like Terra. So basicaly, Kratos smash. That's all he has.


Blade of Olympus can bring worlds to ruin can it? Nothing I've ever heard. Seriously your post is purely "OMG the keyblade is over hyped!" "I'm not impressed" "That's just over the top!" More interestingly where did i say he got the Blade of Olympus?

Nothing you've wrote in those two long paragraphs resembles a debate. I'm going to sleep. Maybe you should change debating tactics.

Just wiki the Colossus of rhodes, I think it may have its size in feet or meters

edit: the Colossus of rhodes was 30 meters tall (107 feet)

Originally posted by Burning thought
Just wiki the Colossus of rhodes, I think it may have its size in feet or meters

edit: the Colossus of rhodes was 30 meters tall (107 feet)

Perfect, thank you BT!

A little smaller than any of the Godzilla's i was thinknig of atleast.

He is not getting past kratos. The guy owned a island size hydra.

Hell Link will stop him dead in his tracks too.

Originally posted by Phanteros
He is not getting past kratos. The guy owned a island size hydra.

Hell Link will stop him dead in his tracks too.

I like this post.

Good evidentiary support, and solid reasoning. Kratos can kill a Hydra. Fantastic.


Note; Can i ask. Is there anyone there who thinks Terra could NOT kill that hydra?

No, but could he impale said island-sized Hydra's head on a pike with pure strength?
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Or could he stop Atlas from crushing him beneath his fingers? To give a general idea of how strong Atlas is, he throws mountains like pebbles, and holds up the crust, or more, of the planet.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, but could he impale said island-sized Hydra's head on a pike with pure strength?
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Or could he stop Atlas from crushing him beneath his fingers? To give a general idea of how strong Atlas is, he throws mountains like pebbles, and holds up the crust, or more, of the planet.

Unless that proves Terra can't hurt him. I fail to see the point of this post =s

Round 1 Terra fights Auron - Terra

Round 2 Terra fights Link - Link

Round 3 Terra fights Kratos - Kratos

Round 4 Terra fights Nightmare - Terra

Round 5 Terra fights KH2 Sephiroth - Could go either way

Round 6 Terra fights Kain - Kain

Round 7 Terra fights Jack of Blades - dont know

Round 8 Terra fights Wesker - Terra

Round 9 Terra fights Illidan Stormrage - dont know

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Unless that proves Terra can't hurt him. I fail to see the point of this post =s I was just arguing strength, I know little to nothing of Terra.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I like this post.

Good evidentiary support, and solid reasoning. Kratos can kill a Hydra. Fantastic.


Note; Can i ask. Is there anyone there who thinks Terra could NOT kill that hydra? I did show evidence. Island sided Hydra isn't specific enough for you? And if your referring to Link evidence He stopped a 200 ton Goron and flung it in the air.

As for Terra and the hydra, as of right now he has no great strength feats at the time. and He is beneath Sora.

Originally posted by Phanteros
I did show evidence. Island sided Hydra isn't specific enough for you? And if your referring to Link evidence He stopped a 200 ton Goron and flung it in the air.

As for Terra and the hydra, as of right now he has no great strength feats at the time. and He is beneath Sora.


Okay, so allow me to gather my understanding.

Because Kratos killed a large Hydra (Island sized apparently) he can then kill Terra?

Has the though crossed your mind that the fight would be a little different. I mean, last i checked by Terra doesn't have several heads, nor weigh over 100,000 pounds.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Okay, so allow me to gather my understanding.

Because Kratos killed a large Hydra (Island sized apparently) he can then kill Terra?

Has the though crossed your mind that the fight would be a little different. I mean, last i checked by Terra doesn't have several heads, nor weigh over 100,000 pounds. I was comparing their strengths. As for more facts if your not convince. Terra's speed means little if your opponent can lightning time reactions Ie in the Zeus Battle. and yes the the fight will be different but thanks to a Kratos feats and Terra barely any as of yet. It still goes to Kratos.

may this will make it more clear

Strength
Kratos>>>>Terra as of yet
Kratos Killed as mentioned before hydra and Terra as of yet has no strength feats besides fighting Sora which means little as Sora is obviously stronger than him as he can willed the true Keyblade. Kratos also prevented Atlas from crushing him a guy who hold the earth's crust. As of right now I see no strength to suggest he can prevent Kratos from shatter his blade.

speed
Kratos<<<Terra

battle speed
Kratos>Terra
Kratos can strike his enemies at amazing speeds.

Reactions
Kratos>>>>>>>Terra
Kratos as mentioned before catches lightning. Terra as of yet can't touche that feat.

Kratos can easily petrify Terra and smash him into pieces if he wanted to. as shown in the Birth by sleep trailers Terra and party had trouble dealing with moves smiler to this one such as ice spell.

Originally posted by Phanteros
I was comparing their strengths. As for more facts if your not convince. Terra's speed means little if your opponent can lightning time reactions Ie in the Zeus Battle. and yes the the fight will be different but thanks to a Kratos feats and Terra barely any as of yet. It still goes to Kratos.

may this will make it more clear

Strength
Kratos>>>>Terra as of yet
Kratos Killed as mentioned before hydra and Terra as of yet has no strength feats besides fighting Sora which means little as Sora is obviously stronger than him as he can willed the true Keyblade. Kratos also prevented Atlas from crushing him a guy who hold the earth's crust. As of right now I see no strength to suggest he can prevent Kratos from shatter his blade.

speed
Kratos<<<Terra

battle speed
Kratos>Terra
Kratos can strike his enemies at amazing speeds.

Reactions
Kratos>>>>>>>Terra
Kratos as mentioned before catches lightning. Terra as of yet can't touche that feat.

Kratos can easily petrify Terra and smash him into pieces if he wanted to. as shown in the Birth by sleep trailers Terra and party had trouble dealing with moves smiler to this one such as ice spell.

The lightning feat again? You mean the feat which is completely alien compared to everything else in the game. Meaning, he only shows that speed in that fight, in all other fights his reaction and speed feats and much lower.I'm more inclied to think Zeus's lightning is much slower than normal lightning persoonally, but i can't prove that, so i can say that feat is an inconsistant leap forward. That said you are aware Terra took a lightning bolt to the face in birth by sleep cinematic and ignored it. Just an interested difference in durability.


Strength, yeah i would agree Kratos is stronger, but not so much as to win by this alone. Plus, fake keyblade? where did you get that from? It was early speculation it might be because it has no chain, but that's at the very best speculation, there's no basis for such an arguement.


Battle speed Kratos > Terra?

Did you watch the video? Watch 2:20 - 2:25.
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Sure, Terra will just stand there politely while Kratos does that.

Actually from the looks from the lightning bolt he was stunned by it and it even crack his armor. And Lightning feat as of yet has not been contradicted so it isn't inconsistent.

considering the fact that the Gaze works as soon as its pulled out yeah. as for the vid if I can some how post vids which I can't right now I show it.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Actually from the looks from the lightning bolt he was stunned by it and it even crack his armor. And Lightning feat as of yet has not been contradicted so it isn't inconsistent.

considering the fact that the Gaze works as soon as its pulled out yeah. as for the vid if I can some how post vids which I can't right now I show it.

Is that right? What did he stop doing? I mean what did he do to show he was stunned?

As i see it, he took it, let Ventus engage the sidekick then ran right ahead to try to get to Master Xehanort. For you to say he was stunned he must have been momentarily incapaciated. Which i do not see.


Well if he did block the lightning after it was launched (which i highly doubt, then one would have thought he would be able to attack much faster than what he does. No?

When he was strucked he was temporary inmmobile, hence why he was kneeing on the ground when he got struck.

as for Kratos it means he can react to speeds to that level.

It was more a gameplay element and it was lightning from an entity whos fictional blasts of lightning cannot necesserily be said to be the same speed, power or ferocity as natural lightning from the sky.

Originally posted by Phanteros

as for Kratos it means he can react to speeds to that level.

I lol'd

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I lol'd Reasons why? He was shown blocking it and to block something correctly you need to see it and stop it in time.

The closest thing you can get out of a reaction time for Kratos if your talking about the event nemebro goes on about (against Zues) then you could prob get him reacting to Zues, not to Zues' lightning.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It was more a gameplay element and it was lightning from an entity whos fictional blasts of lightning cannot necesserily be said to be the same speed, power or ferocity as natural lightning from the sky. Zeus channeled it from the sky then fired it at kratos. Zeus is the lightning god and weather after all.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The closest thing you can get out of a reaction time for Kratos if your talking about the event nemebro goes on about (against Zues) then you could prob get him reacting to Zues, not to Zues' lightning. Actually he as soon as he flings it at you either get hit or catch it and fling it back which is required to beat him.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Actually he as soon as he flings it at you either get hit or catch it and fling it back which is required to beat him.

And since that is required one would assume the player needs to react to lightning too. I'm skeptical people who play the game react that fast. Lol.

mariofacepalm

Originally posted by EvilAngel
And since that is required one would assume the player needs to react to lightning too. I'm skeptical people who play the game react that fast. Lol. In fiction you usaully have to see the lightning in order for you to win the game. in games that they usaully slow it down so that the player can see otherwise there be no point in having it since you can't stop it.

Kratos reacts to Zeus, not to lightning. I think that's pretty much a given fact ^^'

Originally posted by Phanteros
In fiction you usaully have to see the lightning in order for you to win the game. in games that they usaully slow it down so that the player can see otherwise there be no point in having it since you can't stop it.

So basically you're saying what Kratos reacts to is indeed much slower than normal lightning.

Works for me ^^

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Kratos reacts to Zeus, not to lightning. I think that's pretty much a given fact ^^' He did react to the lightning unless you have proof he didn't seeing as he did caught it and fling it back therefore your point is moot. it was caught after it was fired. so it isn't aim catching if that's what your implying. and for him to do that he still has to predict time it takes to get to him there for he can react to it.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
So basically you're saying what Kratos reacts to is indeed much slower than normal lightning.

Works for me ^^ Putting words in my mouth, aren't we? he its normal lightning untill its proven not.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Putting words in my mouth, aren't we? he its normal lightning untill its proven not.

Okay here's proof; The player has to react to it toi fling it back.

Lightning is a little bit faster than human reaction speed.

That's what i figure atleast.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Okay here's proof; The player has to react to it toi fling it back.

Lightning is a little bit faster than human reaction speed.

That's what i figure atleast. Does mean much because what the player experience is different from the character. to the Character the lightning is normal compared to the user its slower because the developers made so that the user can see it.

Its still lightning from Zues not from the sky. Kratos is simply not that fast, all hes done is put his big sword in front of him and held off the lightning.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its still lightning from Zues not from the sky. Kratos is simply not that fast, all hes done is put his big sword in front of him and held off the lightning. actuall during the times he caught them he had the blades of athena and he needed to fling them at the moment he blocks. it can from the sky and into zeus.

So? so its not natural lighting if Zues is using the power of it to create his own blast. If it came from the sky and hit Kratos, then that would actually be something to debate but its not the case. And now your talking about pure gameplay.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
So? so its not natural lighting if Zues is using the power of it to create his own blast. If it came from the sky and hit Kratos, then that would actually be something to debate but its not the case. And now your talking about pure gameplay..... no I'm not you required to catch it and its still in the form of lightning. We allow link to have gameplay because thats all what he has. Required gameplay is different from normal.

Its not required, the only part thats required is when Zues fired lightning at the end of the battle, you dont "have" to fling Zues' lightning during the battle back at him to win, you can just dodge.

You're spelling Zeus wrong.

/interruption

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Which godzilla movie are you even referring to? Are you aware in the originals the monsters size varies massively. In some scenes he's only the size of an apartment block, in others he's peering over mountains. Just give me feet or meters if you can estimate it. It's so much simpler.

Yeah great. Irrelevant too. He'll be wielding the keyblade the whole time, so those strength feats are applicable. And it's a theme throughout the whole of kingdom hearts that the Keyblade is a powerful weapon so of course it amps their powers that's the point of the weapon. Now if you're finished dodging points maybe you'll want to actually debate why Kratos should win. He's allot slower, not strong enough to be immune to Terra's attacks, and has no experience fighting someone like Terra. So basicaly, Kratos smash. That's all he has.


Blade of Olympus can bring worlds to ruin can it? Nothing I've ever heard. Seriously your post is purely "OMG the keyblade is over hyped!" "I'm not impressed" "That's just over the top!" More interestingly where did i say he got the Blade of Olympus?

Nothing you've wrote in those two long paragraphs resembles a debate. I'm going to sleep. Maybe you should change debating tactics.

To stress, his canon size which is what matters beyond visual evidence, is dependant on the film continuity. There are so far three different continuities of Godzilla: Showa, Heisei (AKA Versus), and Millennium. Godzilla was a his largest during the Heisei era (ranging from 80m to 100m due to the time paradox in Godzilla vs King Gidorah).

Back to the point, I can only deduce that you're of another who's convinced more by what limitations/exagerrations are presented in than what's to be noted beyond that. I haven't been dodging a thing besides what you've yet to give beyond, as said before, gameplay. What I've seen of Terra has yet to not be so easily categorized. If that's your idea of me dodging points, that's not my problem.

This coming from someone who's thus far souted semblance of A>B>C> jazz, phrases such as "no experience" or passing off any point I've made as irrelevent for the sake of stressing the idea that what's presented in KH gameplay isn't to be taken as hyperbole. It's not exactly hard to shoe-horn another user's post into an unintelligent rant, nor is it hard to see insolence from another either, I have no trouble seeing what's otherwise noticeable no matter how you try to sugarcoat it with intelligence. Secondly, you never made such a restriction in the first place. When it comes to characters and a lack of prior restrictions, I take it as such characters at their composite levels.

I'm not going to respond to that in kind, I'll just suggest to lower the snark.

Because it is SO much of a stretch to believe that the entity who mantains and rules the sky itself can throw lightning as the kind from the sky, amirite?

Originally posted by Phanteros
Does mean much because what the player experience is different from the character. to the Character the lightning is normal compared to the user its slower because the developers made so that the user can see it.

So in your opinion the whole battle is slowed down for the play or just the lightning part?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
So in your opinion the whole battle is slowed down for the play or just the lightning part? Battle but regardlessy as Nemebro pointed out why is it so much of a stretch that an enity that was know to control whether and the sky can't throw actually throw real lightning as it is list as his power?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not required, the only part thats required is when Zues fired lightning at the end of the battle, you dont "have" to fling Zues' lightning during the battle back at him to win, you can just dodge. Yeah but if you want a hit you have to.

Also and somewhat of a relative term. Enel from One piece is lightning himself but non of his attacks come from the sky so is his attacks slow?

Originally posted by Phanteros
Battle but regardlessy as Nemebro pointed out why is it so much of a stretch that an enity that was know to control whether and the sky can't throw actually throw real lightning as it is list as his power?

That's not what we're talking about.

You said it is as fast as real lightning. I questioned this as the player has to react to it. You said the game is slowed down to allow players to react to it.

So i now question if the whole game is slowed down, or just that fight, or even just when the lightning is thrown. I don't know, i want you to answer me

Originally posted by Phanteros
Also and somewhat of a relative term. Enel from One piece is lightning himself but non of his attacks come from the sky so is his attacks slow? Don't even talk to me about Anime feats in comparison to reality.

Seriously, been there done that, not funny anymore

Nemebro knows what i'm talking about

Going by that when Ryu Hayabusa blocks bullets, obviously the bullets are slowed.

i think zeus's bolts are slower than lightning. look at the cutscene when he destroys sparta. regardless, kratos will kill terra. he has herculean strength plus can set kronos spheres around and make quakes/tornadoes. he also has rage of the titans which makes uber and capable of turning terra into ash